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Windows 8 on XOOM?

Hi
Am I being wholly unrealistic on this or could we hope to see Windows 8 run on these sluggish XOOMs ?
It seems like the hardware is not massively different?
Possibility or impossibility?
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Would be nice, no idea what the requirements are for Win8 tho..

I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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Tiamat is pretty darn fast.... then ADW ex makes it even faster.

Id be happy with a chroot of win8
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With the dev preview only being x86/64 at the moment we will have to wait for the ARM version to be released before anything can be done on the Xoom. I cant wait to see if there are any devs that can get it going.....a dual boot with ICS would be fantastic

I am sure it is faster when rooted and overclocked ... just haven't got round to doing it yet ... kind of resent having to do it to get a user experience that might be close to acceptable
I know that there is no arm preview yet but I believe the min spec is detailed ... are there any things we fall short of?
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guys, I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but there were around 4 posts about win 8 on the xoom and all of them came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, or at least, very unlikely. Windows is closed source. Its not like Ubuntu or any other Linux distro that we can modify.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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There was a bunch of windows 8 topics on xoom but not looking good. And development will get better overall on xoom when ics comes out because you have to remember, honeycomb source wasn't released and never will be. Ics will be open source though.

Android may soon do more than windows can. By the time WIN8 comes out in arm form android will be on key lime pie.

What really is needed is a full Linux version for the Xoom. Linux is already available for ARM CPUs. But what is needed is the kernel patch for the Xoom, and the hardware drivers.
Stop pining for windows, as there are already plenty of gadgets with it on it. I just purchased a Azpen X1 tablet. The 16GB drive is so small, that I ran out of space the first time that I ran the windows update!! I got a 32GB drive for it, and will install Ubuntu on it. I use Linux for everything, and found that windows is very over rated.

Not sure how Windows is "over rated" ... it seems everyone is out to say mac/ios/linux is better than it. If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
ICS may improve things but it still doesn't feel like the direction android is headed in is where I hoped/expected in terms of offering tablet optimized/specific applications.
Windows 8 looks a lot more like the tablet os I would like to use ... I guess time will tell.
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s.t.s said:
If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
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At first I intended to give 16GB to each OS. But since widows barely fits on 16 GB, I decided against it.
s.t.s said:
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
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What other tablets like the Xoom run windows? Windows only runs on the Intel family of CPUs (and clones), while most tablets have an ARM CPU.

samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.

patass said:
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate

kenfly said:
Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.

patass said:
lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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Look at it this way, most other hc tablets have a port of Ubuntu, which is open source, and we don't. If nobody wants Ubuntu enough to work with the open source os, who is going to work with closed source windows 8?

That is another thing that I just dont get ... it really feels like my best informed choice to get the XOOM was the wrong one. Moto are not pushing the development and user experience like I had hoped and the dev community hasn't been set alight either :-(
Still I hope we see some stuff soon. For now I will just have to try one of the few android roms
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Jolla Sailfish OS

Saw this new OS by Jolla called Sailfish, it is a Linux bases OS that shares the mer core that was used by MeeGo. So far from what I can tell it is going to be completely open source and will be able to run android apps. I just wanted to post this here to see if there would be anyone willing to try and get this onto the G2x. I don't know if it is possible but if it could be done I would be willing to do whatever to help it get done as I think this is a really cool OS with a different UI and real multitasking.
Any information on the OS can be found here: http://jolla.com
Hands on with the OS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?1&v=_c_BqnR_vAM

Reminds me of BB10. Is this Android based?
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That looks incredible
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Looking into it. I guess I would have to compile from source and go from there.

It looks like the graphic card driver issue might come up again. Hopefully not. I was told to start with this since I have a nexus one.
SDK is here by the way.

Possible ROM? Looks better then jb
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its actually the MeeGo OS, not android, but it looks so good.

Hi,
i'm very interested in this os. Saw the presentation at the live stream wednesday and follow the developement for a while. Here some things i found. Hope this helps.
It is meego/mer based.
The bridge to android is, that the Appstore of google is ported to sailfish os.
There will be a support for ST Ericsson devices. I'm wondering on which devices it will be ported.
The developers are making commercial to the manufacturers with the statement, that they are able to port the system to any device within three days. So there should be good possobiloties for dev's.
The source Code should be available right now, but i couldn't find it. There is a wiki site on sailfishos.org .
Hope there are some people that will try to port it.
Cheers!

I like what they are doing A LOT. I was organizing the #Slush12 conference and got to see their stuff very well. It's great, amazing IMO! We will also ahve a hack day with them on 1st of December, exploring the Sailfish SDK (check http://sailfishos.org ) so if anyone here wants to come to Finland........ http://mobiledevcamp.fi
Anyways, yeah, it's based on MeeGo/Mer and uses Nemo as the base for GUI - but the UI is completely different. There are also many other things that differ and will differ in the future from Mer base but at the moment there isn't too much in there. And since a device will be launched in Summer 2013 there is still a lot they need to work on. It's going to be open source and it will support a very broad range of CPU's. I might even be able to get it on my old HTC Magic....hmmmmm....gotta see about that. They had dozens of devices there at the event they had put it running on, including N950's, (I think an N9 too), some ST-Ericsson development devices, Raspberry Pi boards (!!!!!!) and then some others. Wow. They all seem to be tweakers & hackers like us
You should check the videos from http://youtube.com/jollaofficial and from http://jolla.com to get a better view on what's going to come. Or what is. '
'
And as a side note, we COULD get the OS running with the stuff from the SDK. No instructions or tutorials yet but skilled guys can ofc do it!:good:
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bardzogrozny said:
Hi,
i'm very interested in this os. Saw the presentation at the live stream wednesday and follow the developement for a while. Here some things i found. Hope this helps.
It is meego/mer based.
The bridge to android is, that the Appstore of google is ported to sailfish os.
There will be a support for ST Ericsson devices. I'm wondering on which devices it will be ported.
The developers are making commercial to the manufacturers with the statement, that they are able to port the system to any device within three days. So there should be good possobiloties for dev's.
The source Code should be available right now, but i couldn't find it. There is a wiki site on sailfishos.org .
Hope there are some people that will try to port it.
Cheers!
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Google's Play Store won't officially be ported for Sailfish OS, but instead I believe some people here at XDA will port the APK though there is no guarantee it works. Anyways, they will be run through Myriad's stuff.
The ST-Ericsson stuff means that they are supporting Jolla with dev boards and that their boards can and will be used on at least some Jolla devices.
More later!

I like all that is being said here and hope we could get some skilled developers on this, the SDK is out though I do not have the link for it right here. I will look around for it.
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Rafase282 said:
It looks like the graphic card driver issue might come up again. Hopefully not. I was told to start with this since I have a nexus one.
SDK is here by the way.
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If you read the info from the link there you will find the links and instructions for the sdk.

Still hopeful
If it is possible to somehow port this over to our g2xs then why hasn't it been done with meego? Obviously ICS isn't coming, but if this does make it here somehow, then i might just hold on to this phone . If it doesn't then it will be a choice between the nexus 4 and the jolla phone. My brother has the N9 with meego on it, and the sad part is that he can run and android emulator with ICS perfectly, while we're stuck with out roms . For those of you who have not had the opportunity to play around with a linux phone, i highly suggest you do. If you look at the N9 specs compared to the G2X specs it looks weaker, but don't be fooled. the meego system can do much more with less. Anyways sorry for rambling on.
If you don't feel like reading that then: Meego is great, Jolla is gonna be better (the guys that made meego, which nokia cancelled, banded together to create jolla and continue on).

flizer said:
If it is possible to somehow port this over to our g2xs then why hasn't it been done with meego? Obviously ICS isn't coming, but if this does make it here somehow, then i might just hold on to this phone . If it doesn't then it will be a choice between the nexus 4 and the jolla phone. My brother has the N9 with meego on it, and the sad part is that he can run and android emulator with ICS perfectly, while we're stuck with out roms . For those of you who have not had the opportunity to play around with a linux phone, i highly suggest you do. If you look at the N9 specs compared to the G2X specs it looks weaker, but don't be fooled. the meego system can do much more with less. Anyways sorry for rambling on.
If you don't feel like reading that then: Meego is great, Jolla is gonna be better (the guys that made meego, which nokia cancelled, banded together to create jolla and continue on).
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What's funny is that is sort of what I think when it comes down to it.
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Hi guys,
it's been a while since I've been here, but I have been following Jolla and their new OS, Sailfish.
I own a Nokia N9, got it 2nd hand on Ebay, mint condition.
First thing I wanted to do was upgrade the software/firmware, but it'd already been done by the previous owner.
Version PR1.3 (MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan), apparently, this last update came with a 1000 improvements!
Having come from using a Nokia N8 with Symbian's latest Belle Refresh, I find the N9 a bit less intuitive.
No alphanumeric keypad with T9 support, just QWERTY keypads that do support T9 and of course Swype, which is a joke on such a small keypad.
There are a variety of free softwares available for the N9, some don't work at all or require tweaking to make them run.
Video playback is absolutely horrendous, whatever format is being played, drops frames like mad and goes out of sync quite rapidly (not so much with streamed videos).
Also, there is no direct access to the 'user storage', a 3rd party 'explorer' is required to access it, how ridiculous and too boot, there is also not 16GB of storage, it's nearer 9GB as the MeeGo OS and included 'non removable' bloatware hogs all the valuable storage!
Anyway, I could ramble on about loads of little niggles with the N9 and the 'wonderful' MeeGo O/S which could have been a winner with more development.
Here's hoping that Jolla can deliver a breath of fresh air for the N9 users out there, which will NOT be supported by Jolla, it will be a community effort that will bring Sailfish to the N9 and other handsets.
All I 'd like is a nice alphanumeric keypad with T9 support in a 4x3 format, thanks! 8)
All said and done, the N9 has a lot of appeal with its glossy curvy finish, but, MeeGo, well, it's gotta go and Sailfish needs deliver!, if not, it's back on Ebay for my N9!!
Regards
Mark

This os is designed for nokia's upcoming mobiles.

Khizar hayyat said:
This os is designed for nokia's upcoming mobiles.
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No it isn't.
Sailfish OS was made by people who got fired from Nokia and made their own company called Jolla. They are going to introduce their own phone running the Sailfish OS in few months.
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Can't say I am excited about this neither as a developer nor as a consumer/enthusiast.

The ones interested in ports can follow this blog, there are instructions for some devices and boards already(Cubox, Snowball, Galaxy Nexus, ...): sagestechblog dot blogspot dot fi
The instructions are for Nemo Mobile that is basically Sailfish core(Mer) with a UI done by the community, when all Jolla Sailfish bits are released the setup should not differ much.

I love the idea and enthusiasm of Jolla but I can't see it succeeding especially with full out Ubuntu on mobile now. Shame too, because I loved MeeGo, especially on a netbook.

wpetraska said:
I love the idea and enthusiasm of Jolla but I can't see it succeeding especially with full out Ubuntu on mobile now. Shame too, because I loved MeeGo, especially on a netbook.
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Well, Ubuntu is not out yet. And announcing Ubuntu OS do not miraculously make it be an interesting choice or available everywhere. And even after that, you still have to choose between two UI that are really different.
(Personnaly, my choice goes to Sailfish)

I test roms

If you send me kfhd Roms I will test.there's only one,I know of that horrible cm10 Rom
I was wrong about the cm10 ROM ts beast.just gotta wait for cm10.1
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KindleFireGuy said:
If you send me kfhd I will test.there's only one,I know of that horrible cm10 Rom
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KindleFireGuy,
Thank you for the offer, we may take you up on this when we launch Ubuntu for the Kindle Fire HD and 2.

WOW thanks I will gladly test thanks
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WOW thanks I will gladly test thanks
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KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready.

I assume you mean a release for the kfhd 8.9?
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prokennexusa said:
KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready. I am very shocked that developers released the CM10 ROM, I feel it is way too Green to have anyone waste there time on the installation. We would never release anything to the public that can not even display the boot screen well, it gives CM10 a bad name - just my opinion.
We will let you know when we are ready - we are not trying to be the first, we are trying to have the best ROM available. If it is not as stable or MORE stable than the Kindle original ROM we will not release it to the public.
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I'm a bit surprised by your opinion honestly. The cm10 for the KFTT only has two bugs. One is pretty minor (the boot screen. Yes, I would prefer it to be correct but... more to follow). The second bug is lack of HD.. that one I see as a major bug. But for me my choices are- 1. Run the Amazon Rom and HOPE the notifications work in a timely manner BUT I can run Netflix. Or 2- run a Rom that allows me to get notifications on time (for me MUCH more important. I'm very surprised that the stock Amazon OS handles notifications so poorly since even my Windows 8 box does that right lol
Now, the cm10 roms for the other devices are barely functional so I would understand, but what Hashcode has accomplished here is pretty darn good. ESPECIALLY having TWRP..
I DO really look forward to trying the ubuntu Rom though..
Edit: as for the initial post here.. dude is asking about kfhd roms but is posting from his kf2? I THINK the cm10 build he is talking about is for the kfhd 7" NOT the kf2 rom
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Messed up on it.don't send me a hd I already have one I messed up on typing
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The Kindle Fire 2
I have a kindle fire 2 and am surprised that people cannot hack the bootloader on it yet. I say this because I have had all the Apple Ipad and Iphone and everyone has been able to hack them with no problem, although it took them awhile!
So I hope that someone is able to get the bootloader unlocked for the Kindle Fire 2, HD to enable the installation of custom roms. Personally I just want to take an image of the KF2 and put it on my KF1 (both uk versions!).

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mindmajick said:
I'm a bit surprised by your opinion honestly. The cm10 for the KFTT only has two bugs. One is pretty minor (the boot screen. Yes, I would prefer it to be correct but... more to follow). The second bug is lack of HD.. that one I see as a major bug. But for me my choices are- 1. Run the Amazon Rom and HOPE the notifications work in a timely manner BUT I can run Netflix. Or 2- run a Rom that allows me to get notifications on time (for me MUCH more important. I'm very surprised that the stock Amazon OS handles notifications so poorly since even my Windows 8 box does that right lol
Now, the cm10 roms for the other devices are barely functional so I would understand, but what Hashcode has accomplished here is pretty darn good. ESPECIALLY having TWRP..
I DO really look forward to trying the ubuntu Rom though..
Edit: as for the initial post here.. dude is asking about kfhd roms but is posting from his kf2? I THINK the cm10 build he is talking about is for the kfhd 7" NOT the kf2 rom
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mindmajick,
I think we are on two totally different pages. I am very well aware of Hashcodes work on the Kindle Fire 2 which is down right impressive. I have tested there work on the Kindle Fire 2 for the last week (almost 10 days now) and all we found was two minor issues and one major issue.
What I am talking about and I will be clear this time (sorry I was not clear in the post) is the Kindle Fire HD 7", the one that was released about 7 months ago and has software revisions of 7.2.x - we did test 1 version as well as compiling our own AOSP, CM10 and AOKP. The latter was a complete failure but it was not due to the Kernel's fault, it was due to the know issues around compiling Kernels around the Kindle Fire HD 7" plus there are limited resources available on the Kindle HD 7" and Custom ROM's.
Anyways, the Kindle Fire HD 7" and 8.9" are exciting platforms to builds around, we have been on the phone and emailing TI almost daily (working to get the proper drivers built into the Kernel's). Thank God we have the support of Ubuntu, otherwise this path would be even more difficult.
The idea around Ubuntu is very different than CM10 and the rest. The idea with Ubuntu is to completely replace the desktop computer, so by day, your phone go with you and at night you dock the phone. The phone via the dock, is connected to an external Printer, Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse. The Ubuntu Phone becomes your home PC. No need for separate ISP, no need for another PC, no need to sync you work. The big question, what about the Google Play Store Apps, no problem. Ubuntu supports Android Apps natively as well as supports the entire array of Ubuntu apps already available (most are free). Release timeline? Hard to say, if it was our choise we would release a copy for the Kindle today but we are under tight constrains with Canonical. They tell us when it is OK to release the software.
More to come........................

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mindmajick,
I think we are on two totally different pages. I am very well aware of Hashcodes work on the Kindle Fire 2 which is down right impressive. I have tested there work on the Kindle Fire 2 for the last week (almost 10 days now) and all we found was two minor issues and one major issue.
What I am talking about and I will be clear this time (sorry I was not clear in the post) is the Kindle Fire HD 7", the one that was released about 7 months ago and has software revisions of 7.2.x - we did test 1 version as well as compiling our own AOSP, CM10 and AOKP. The latter was a complete failure but it was not due to the Kernel's fault, it was due to the know issues around compiling Kernels around the Kindle Fire HD 7" plus there are limited resources available on the Kindle HD 7" and Custom ROM's.
Anyways, the Kindle Fire HD 7" and 8.9" are exciting platforms to builds around, we have been on the phone and emailing TI almost daily (working to get the proper drivers built into the Kernel's). Thank God we have the support of Ubuntu, otherwise this path would be even more difficult.
The idea around Ubuntu is very different than CM10 and the rest. The idea with Ubuntu is to completely replace the desktop computer, so by day, your phone go with you and at night you dock the phone. The phone via the dock, is connected to an external Printer, Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse. The Ubuntu Phone becomes your home PC. No need for separate ISP, no need for another PC, no need to sync you work. The big question, what about the Google Play Store Apps, no problem. Ubuntu supports Android Apps natively as well as supports the entire array of Ubuntu apps already available (most are free). Release timeline? Hard to say, if it was our choise we would release a copy for the Kindle today but we are under tight constrains with Canonical. They tell us when it is OK to release the software.
More to come........................
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Yup. I guess I misunderstood.
I hope to see Ubuntu on the kf2 as well
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mindmajick said:
Yup. I guess I misunderstood.
I hope to see Ubuntu on the kf2 as well
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mindmajick,
No worries mindmajick, this happens, I catch myself doing it from time to time. Yes, we will have Ubuntu for all Kindles. Again, timeline is a bit unknown even though we could post a viable ROM for the Kindle Fire 2. we will post updates as progress is made on this topic. Have a great week!

prokennexusa said:
mindmajick,
No worries mindmajick, this happens, I catch myself doing it from time to time. Yes, we will have Ubuntu for all Kindles. Again, timeline is a bit unknown even though we could post a viable ROM for the Kindle Fire 2. we will post updates as progress is made on this topic. Have a great week!
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why dont post an alpha ubuntu version?

persano said:
why dont post an alpha ubuntu version?
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persano,
The Ubuntu ROM for Android is Stable on our Kindle, we could launch a production copy today, the problem is the contract that we sign with Ubuntu Canonical. This contract does not allow us to release any copies of Ubuntu for Android until Canonical is ready to launch Ubuntu for Android.
So we are just staying busy writing new Apps for Ubuntu rather than focus our efforts on rushing the Production version. Do not get me wrong, we spend plenty of time each week on the ROM, streamlining it and making it faster.
It would not be a good idea to release the ROM today anyway since this ROM is intended to replace the desktop computer. Having said this, we are missing a Key part - a dock for the Kindle to add an external Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, and Printer. When the manufactures begin to release docks, we will release the ROM. Do not worry, if Amazon does not release a dock, we will still release the ROM, it may be a few months or two away, that is all.

prokennexusa said:
persano,
The Ubuntu ROM for Android is Stable on our Kindle, we could launch a production copy today, the problem is the contract that we sign with Ubuntu Canonical. This contract does not allow us to release any copies of Ubuntu for Android until Canonical is ready to launch Ubuntu for Android.
So we are just staying busy writing new Apps for Ubuntu rather than focus our efforts on rushing the Production version. Do not get me wrong, we spend plenty of time each week on the ROM, streamlining it and making it faster.
It would not be a good idea to release the ROM today anyway since this ROM is intended to replace the desktop computer. Having said this, we are missing a Key part - a dock for the Kindle to add an external Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, and Printer. When the manufactures begin to release docks, we will release the ROM. Do not worry, if Amazon does not release a dock, we will still release the ROM, it may be a few months or two away, that is all.
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i understand

Ubuntu for Android on Kindle Fire HD
persano said:
i understand
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persano,
Once they allow us to release copies to employees I will get you a copy to test.

prokennexusa said:
persano,
Once they allow us to release copies to employees I will get you a copy to test.
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Really look forward to seeing this, Keep me in mind if you decide to leak a few copies for testing I would be more then happy to help out. Always loved Ubuntu on the desktop/

prokennexusa said:
KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready. I am very shocked that developers released the CM10 ROM, I feel it is way too Green to have anyone waste there time on the installation. We would never release anything to the public that can not even display the boot screen well, it gives CM10 a bad name - just my opinion.
We will let you know when we are ready - we are not trying to be the first, we are trying to have the best ROM available. If it is not as stable or MORE stable than the Kindle original ROM we will not release it to the public.
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This is kind of a poor attempt at a troll don't you think?
1. No where in ReverendKJr's thread does he claim to be an expert coder who is releasing a fully usable ROM. Everything is very clear in the OP that he is showcasing some of the work VeryGreen did on the KFHD8.9 and trying "learn as he goes" and port some of that over to the KFHD7.
You: A dev who hasn't posted anything in the "dev" section yet, trying to belittle someone who has; is like a 5 year old scribbling over their neighbor's painting so that everyone will look at theirs instead.
2. Not many users are looking for an Ubuntu Desktop ROM on their KFHD. I can safely speak for the majority of this community: they're waiting for AOSP Android in some fully functional form. Tho, if you are hinting that you have a working copy of unreleased Ubuntu Phone, I'm sure there will be some interest in that as well.
3. You mention being on the phone with TI daily. But let me ask you ... why? There are publicly available resources to gather almost any information you need on TI products. And about the ONLY thing that's really made by Texas Instruments in the Kindle Fire HD's is the CPU and the battery gauge. Everything else about the device is some other manufacturer. And to prove it here's a QUICK breakdown of the KFHD8.9 of which the 7" is very similar:
*CPU: TI OMAP4470 @ 1.5Ghz
InvenSense MPU6050 w/ Gyroscope, Accelerometer and Compass (Aichi Steel ami306)
Light Sensor: Maxim MAX44007
*Battery Gauge: TI BQ27541
Charger: Summit SMB347
Wifi: Broadcom 4330 wlan
Audio: Wolfson Micro’s WM8962E
Touchscreen: Cypress TrueTouch
LCD: NT71391 Hydis 1920x1200 WUGA DSI
Here are random sources off the top of my head which would serve you better than a phone call to a now very understaffed mobile/smart phone department:
http://www.omapzoom.com
http://dev.omapzoom.com
http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://gforge.ti.com/gf/
4. I'm curious how you plan on solving the M3/ducati issues presented by running in Ubuntu. This would be the 2x sub processors normally designed to run HD codecs and camera. In Android, they are coded with a real time OS which communicates with the OMX integration layer (see: hardware/ti/omap4xxx/domx in Android source for more info). In Ubuntu, they don't use OMX, instead opting for g-streamer and other solutions. The ducati presented by Amazon uses OMX. Not G-Streamer. So unless you're planning on software decoders (less than desirable), this is going to be an issue.
So I'm going to call your bluff: Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Feel free to PM me.
Mine:
I have CM10.1 booting on the KFHD8.9. I'm re-writing the userspace audio driver from scratch (not done) and the HD codecs/camera functions need tweaks. Working Display, Wifi, BT, Sensors, etc. It's running a 3.0.50 kernel based on TI's latest OMAP4 kernel release. It's fully enhanced with blitsville drivers and brand new PowerVR graphics drivers released only a few days ago.
Sources:
https://github.com/KFire-Android/android_local_manifest
Specically, kernel: https://github.com/KFire-Android/kernel_omap_bowser-common
(You may note that I've left a place holder device for the KFHD7 which is pre-set up with as much information as I have currently.)
I have publicly admitted that I'm overbooked with devices and wasn't planning on supporting the KFHD7.. BUT that doesn't stop another dev from looking at my work on the KFHD8.9 and porting it to the KFHD7.
In closing:
1. Don't insult devs who are looking to help out in a community that is lacking. Everyone needs to start somewhere and who knows what may come of it.
2. Development isn't "dead" on the KFHD7. It's just in a deep state of slumber.

Hashcode said:
This is kind of a poor attempt at a troll don't you think?
1. No where in ReverendKJr's thread does he claim to be an expert coder who is releasing a fully usable ROM. Everything is very clear in the OP that he is showcasing some of the work VeryGreen did on the KFHD8.9 and trying "learn as he goes" and port some of that over to the KFHD7.
You: A dev who hasn't posted anything in the "dev" section yet, trying to belittle someone who has; is like a 5 year old scribbling over their neighbor's painting so that everyone will look at theirs instead.
2. Not many users are looking for an Ubuntu Desktop ROM on their KFHD. I can safely speak for the majority of this community: they're waiting for AOSP Android in some fully functional form. Tho, if you are hinting that you have a working copy of unreleased Ubuntu Phone, I'm sure there will be some interest in that as well.
3. You mention being on the phone with TI daily. But let me ask you ... why? There are publicly available resources to gather almost any information you need on TI products. And about the ONLY thing that's really made by Texas Instruments in the Kindle Fire HD's is the CPU and the battery gauge. Everything else about the device is some other manufacturer. And to prove it here's a QUICK breakdown of the KFHD8.9 of which the 7" is very similar:
*CPU: TI OMAP4470 @ 1.5Ghz
InvenSense MPU6050 w/ Gyroscope, Accelerometer and Compass (Aichi Steel ami306)
Light Sensor: Maxim MAX44007
*Battery Gauge: TI BQ27541
Charger: Summit SMB347
Wifi: Broadcom 4330 wlan
Audio: Wolfson Micro’s WM8962E
Touchscreen: Cypress TrueTouch
LCD: NT71391 Hydis 1920x1200 WUGA DSI
Here are random sources off the top of my head which would serve you better than a phone call to a now very understaffed mobile/smart phone department:
http://www.omapzoom.com
http://dev.omapzoom.com
http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://gforge.ti.com/gf/
4. I'm curious how you plan on solving the M3/ducati issues presented by running in Ubuntu. This would be the 2x sub processors normally designed to run HD codecs and camera. In Android, they are coded with a real time OS which communicates with the OMX integration layer (see: hardware/ti/omap4xxx/domx in Android source for more info). In Ubuntu, they don't use OMX, instead opting for g-streamer and other solutions. The ducati presented by Amazon uses OMX. Not G-Streamer. So unless you're planning on software decoders (less than desirable), this is going to be an issue.
So I'm going to call your bluff: Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Feel free to PM me.
Mine:
I have CM10.1 booting on the KFHD8.9. I'm re-writing the userspace audio driver from scratch (not done) and the HD codecs/camera functions need tweaks. Working Display, Wifi, BT, Sensors, etc. It's running a 3.0.50 kernel based on TI's latest OMAP4 kernel release. It's fully enhanced with blitsville drivers and brand new PowerVR graphics drivers released only a few days ago.
Sources:
https://github.com/KFire-Android/android_local_manifest
Specically, kernel: https://github.com/KFire-Android/kernel_omap_bowser-common
(You may note that I've left a place holder device for the KFHD7 which is pre-set up with as much information as I have currently.)
I have publicly admitted that I'm overbooked with devices and wasn't planning on supporting the KFHD7.. BUT that doesn't stop another dev from looking at my work on the KFHD8.9 and porting it to the KFHD7.
In closing:
1. Don't insult devs who are looking to help out in a community that is lacking. Everyone needs to start somewhere and who knows what may come of it.
2. Development isn't "dead" on the KFHD7. It's just in a deep state of slumber.
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please, tell us what you did so we can do it in the kindle fire 7"
and yeah, i want android, not ubuntu, ubuntu is beautiful, but i tweak for android, i love android!
give me a clean 8.9 build.prop from amazon, so i can add this device to my tweaks

Hashcode,
We have been in business since 1982 and have nothing to prove to anyone, certainly not you - our business speaks for itself. I respect you work and although I do not agree with all your decisions I still respect you as a developer and believe you are quite a genius - we have spoken in such a fashion in quite a few posts.
This is the beauty of this community, we can all have different ideas, different platforms and different OS's - all meet together as developers to share and be part of an overall goal to improve the end users experience. We never said ours was the best. We can have an open dialogue and not always agree but in the end we can respect on another.
This is a ridiculous response and I will not respond or waste any more time on it other than this one response.
We may not even be allowed to post the ROM in the end since Canonical Ubuntu has not made a final decision on it's marketing strategy. In the end, we may only be allowed to post apps for Canonical, everything is in the air at the moment. This just fine with us since we resell there other products and the Kindle Development is about 1% of our total monthly business.
We specialize in Anti-Spam, have you heard of Postini? We developed an anti-spam engine back in 2002 that was eventually bought by Postini, which was eventually sold to Google. Anyway, this too is a small part of my total company revenue. So I have done my share of development work - this is just a hobby to us, not a primary means of income. As a matter of fact, we decline to charge most customers that send there Kindle back to us for data recovery. This is one of the many gifts we offer to people in the XDA Community.
Rather than get upset, why don't YOU apply to be a developer for Canonical and bring on competition within the Ubuntu world? We would love to have you aboard, if you meet the minimum business requirements.
Just like yourself, we are here to share our abilities with the XDA Community. One thing we refuse to do is dialogue with someone who has posted an aggressive response like you have done. We have done nothing but spoken highly of your work, we have mentioned your name in several posts so we really do not deserve this kind of garbage.
This would have been far better received in a Private message or call to our number which is posted in every response. I am sure we pressed buttons with you or have somehow become a threat which I really do not understand? There is plenty of room for everyone here in XDA and I love competition - this is how I came up with my name, I am sponsored by Prokennex - Michael Martinez is a good friend of mine.
Let's just see what happens over the next few months, I believe of letting action speak, not words. This site is NOT our primary means of income, we own a large data center and manage over 650 customers - we are an IT Company that manages companies like: Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, Chevron Corp in Dublin CA, Wells Fargo Bank in Oakland, Alcan Plastic Packaging in Newark, VTA Transit in Santa Clara and many more.
Between my company and Racquet Ball, I have absolutely no free time!
We are honored to be a part of the XDA Community allowing us to share our expertise and experience, this is our goal here in XDA Developers, not to impress you or anyone else.
Finally, we joined Ubuntu quite a few years ago reselling there desktop and server platform as a Windows replacement. When they discussed releasing the Ubuntu for Phones and Ubuntu for Android, the idea fit our vertical market perfectly so we joined this solution at the 2013 CES show. The idea is to replace the desktop workstation, which will happen since phones & tablets have plenty of power to perform such a task - I am just surprised it took this long to come to reality.
God Bless.

Develeopers interested on Ubuntu Phone OS?

Everyone knows Ubuntu Phone OS will make debut soon! SO far I've been highly amazed by Ubuntu Phone OS. It's the ideal phone OS. Heart of a desktop PC & look of a phone OS My question is are our developers interested enough to work on this OS to port? If not, then I've the following idea. Ubuntu OS will work by default with a wide range of devices. (Just like every PCs can run Ubuntu..Their target is to give the option for every Android users to install Ubuntu on their device). But Atrix has some disadvantages for nvidia tegra 2 ap20h chipset.
I've made a request to Mark Shuttleworth to not to overlook our Atrix 4G here.As we are now stuck & little hope of ICS/JB, option of Ubuntu OS will be great for us. But as Atrix 4G uses an unique Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H chipset, Ubuntu Phone OS may not work by default. The Ubuntu Phone OS developers may need to write additional codes to support our Atrix.
If you want Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix 4G please head over to this page & vote up my comment. (Saif Hassan). It will make him notice & hopefully we'll be able to say Hello to Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix.
NB: It's not Moto. So you can do it without hesitation

saiftheboss7 said:
Everyone knows Ubuntu Phone OS will make debut soon! SO far I've been highly amazed by Ubuntu Phone OS. It's the ideal phone OS. Heart of a desktop PC & look of a phone OS My question is are our developers interested enough to work on this OS to port? If not, then I've the following idea. Ubuntu OS will work by default with a wide range of devices. (Just like every PCs can run Ubuntu..Their target is to give the option for every Android users to install Ubuntu on their device). But Atrix has some disadvantages for nvidia tegra 2 ap20h chipset.
I've made a request to Mark Shuttleworth to not to overlook our Atrix 4G here.As we are now stuck & little hope of ICS/JB, option of Ubuntu OS will be great for us. But as Atrix 4G uses an unique Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H chipset, Ubuntu Phone OS may not work by default. The Ubuntu Phone OS developers may need to write additional codes to support our Atrix.
If you want Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix 4G please head over to this page & vote up my comment. (Saif Hassan). It will make him notice & hopefully we'll be able to say Hello to Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix.
NB: It's not Moto. So you can do it without hesitation
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In terms of hardware, we're just above what they consider "entry level" (see http://9to5google.com/2013/01/02/ub...cted-to-ship-in-early-2014-based-off-android/)
So far we know that the OS is based in Android but without Dalvik and that it will use Android kernels. While that's great in terms of porting to existing devices, that may be an issue in terms of updates, as the Achilles heal of updates for Android is the kernel more than anything else.
Edit: Somewhat more detailed specs here
The Tegra 2 is classified as the 1Ghz Cortex A9, but our device does have more memory. The part that may be cause for concern is that the minimum requirements for Ubuntu Phone OS suspiciously fall in line with ICS minimum requirements.

I was thinking the same thing, we don't have fully stable ics-jb but maybe we can get fully stable ubuntu.
Update: just +1, hope he see it
Desde mi MB860

Lexord said:
I was thinking the same thing, we don't have fully stable ics-jb but maybe we can get fully stable ubuntu.
Update: just +1, hope he see it
Desde mi MB860
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We need more +1s to make him notice!

Lexord said:
I was thinking the same thing, we don't have fully stable ics-jb but maybe we can get fully stable ubuntu.
Update: just +1, hope he see it
Desde mi MB860
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Depends on what the kernel requirements are. The thing is, the display server can have a minimum kernel requirement, yet there is no information regarding what display server is going to be used. This makes it impossible to know if any applications written will be compatible, and without applications, your smartphone is just a dumbphone with an expensive data plan.
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saiftheboss7 said:
We need more +1s to make him notice!
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You may have better luck in the Ubuntu Phone OS section of the forums. What you need is a thriving hub of activity, but what we have here is more like a retirement community.
However, I think that you'll find that if we want the OS on our phones, it's going to be a community effort that gets it there. If they'll be releasing readily install-able images, it's more likely that they'll target devices still in production rather than devices that have been out of production as long as ours has, especially considering the increasing number of hardware failures. To put it in perspective, Ubuntu's Unity DE currently relies on Compiz, which in turn is maintained by 1 guy, Sam Spilsbury, who left to pursue his education.

saiftheboss7 said:
Everyone knows Ubuntu Phone OS will make debut soon! SO far I've been highly amazed by Ubuntu Phone OS. It's the ideal phone OS. Heart of a desktop PC & look of a phone OS My question is are our developers interested enough to work on this OS to port? If not, then I've the following idea. Ubuntu OS will work by default with a wide range of devices. (Just like every PCs can run Ubuntu..Their target is to give the option for every Android users to install Ubuntu on their device). But Atrix has some disadvantages for nvidia tegra 2 ap20h chipset.
I've made a request to Mark Shuttleworth to not to overlook our Atrix 4G here.As we are now stuck & little hope of ICS/JB, option of Ubuntu OS will be great for us. But as Atrix 4G uses an unique Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H chipset, Ubuntu Phone OS may not work by default. The Ubuntu Phone OS developers may need to write additional codes to support our Atrix.
If you want Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix 4G please head over to this page & vote up my comment. (Saif Hassan). It will make him notice & hopefully we'll be able to say Hello to Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix.
NB: It's not Moto. So you can do it without hesitation
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Just Upvote you! I hope they can make it for us Atrix users too. Not that I'm not glad with my Paranoid Rom, but it not a 100% top Rom, thx to Motorola
Will see in the future what the guys from Ubuntu have to offer. :victory:

[request] Ubuntu Touch for Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-5100/Gt-5110

Ubuntu Touch has been ported the Note 2 and Note 10.1 (2013 version) with nearly identical internals. Ubuntu Touch is also based on CM 10 and requires a CM 10 port, the Note 8.0 already has a CM 10 port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457346 I see no reason why an Ubuntu Touch for the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 would not be possible.

I agree with you...
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I might try my hand at this after I've sorted my university stuff - its been a while since I've done any ROM stuff

Thanks in advance if you're willing to try to port it, I'm really looking forward to this
Kernel and other stuff are the same, so theoretically you could use my sources (kernel, hardware, etc) with the n5110 device repo, and maybe it would work.
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Quoting OP of the Ubuntu Port thread for Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168999
And is it possible to make it dual boot between Ubuntu Touch and Android?
PS. Please port Ubuntu Touch for GT-N5110

So is this project starting or has it begun?
Or how is the process going?
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I might start it this week, but theres a few things im not sure on
If bricked, how would I unbrick it? I'm experienced with HTC's and somewhat with Nexus, but not samsung at all
Would there even be any demand? I mean it won't support the S-Pen and all, and development is relatively slow as it is

My guess is yoou would just use Odin to reflash your device. And I know personally this is something I would back and be willing to test should you need someone.
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techhead11 said:
My guess is yoou would just use Odin to reflash your device. And I know personally this is something I would back and be willing to test should you need someone.
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wow to have a fully capable linux operating system working on our note 8 would be great!! but are there any apps like onenote from microsoft available for linux yet???

So I guess this is just a lost hope huh?
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Any news about this port? Now I try the news nightly cm10.2 and work fine.

Krumbalu said:
wow to have a fully capable linux operating system working on our note 8 would be great!! but are there any apps like onenote from microsoft available for linux yet???
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From what I know, Ubuntu Touch is just cyanogenmod with an Ubuntu UI. It is no more a full linux OS than Android, and in fact, both run on the Linux kernel and Ubuntu is basically a modified version of Android. I really don't understand why people are having wet dreams over the prospect of running Ubuntu Touch on their tablets. You're getting nothing in return except a different look and design of the OS and probably no access to Google Play. Oh, and all the bugs associated with CyanogenMod, and none of the functionality that is unique to the Note 8. I am all for giving people options, but Ubuntu Touch seems like the most unnecessary development to hit Android devices to date.

sputnik767 said:
From what I know, Ubuntu Touch is just cyanogenmod with an Ubuntu UI. It is no more a full linux OS than Android, and in fact, both run on the Linux kernel and Ubuntu is basically a modified version of Android. I really don't understand why people are having wet dreams over the prospect of running Ubuntu Touch on their tablets. You're getting nothing in return except a different look and design of the OS and probably no access to Google Play. Oh, and all the bugs associated with CyanogenMod, and none of the functionality that is unique to the Note 8. I am all for giving people options, but Ubuntu Touch seems like the most unnecessary development to hit Android devices to date.
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I may be wrong bjt im oretty sure that you actually have full access to the ubuntu software center for apps and such.
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techhead11 said:
I may be wrong bjt im oretty sure that you actually have full access to the ubuntu software center for apps and such.
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I would say you're wrong only because Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch are designed for different architectures (x86 vs ARM). This is no different than windows 8 vs windows RT in that you can't share apps between the 2 systems. Point is, if an application such as OpenOffice is not reengineered to run on ARM, it's not going to run on Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu Touch is built on top of Android, and while it may have access to the ubuntu software center, it's still not going to have the apps to make it worthwhile unless it also can access google play. And I doubt that it will. But if I am wrong, please correct me.

sputnik767 said:
I would say you're wrong only because Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch are designed for different architectures (x86 vs ARM). This is no different than windows 8 vs windows RT in that you can't share apps between the 2 systems. Point is, if an application such as OpenOffice is not reengineered to run on ARM, it's not going to run on Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu Touch is built on top of Android, and while it may have access to the ubuntu software center, it's still not going to have the apps to make it worthwhile unless it also can access google play. And I doubt that it will. But if I am wrong, please correct me.
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In a sense yes, but just like any new operating system, the app market will start out slow and as more interest grows, people are going to develop more and more apps for the market.

techhead11 said:
In a sense yes, but just like any new operating system, the app market will start out slow and as more interest grows, people are going to develop more and more apps for the market.
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You are assuming that interest is actually going to grow, and I can probably think of more new systems that are failing or have failed, than succeeded. And again, Ubuntu Touch is a port of Android with a questionable future. It brings nothing new in terms of the actual operating system to the table, and if a current dev who is making programs for Linux is not making similar programs for Android now, what would make them start coding for Ubuntu Touch? Likewise, why would a current Android dev start porting their apps to Ubuntu when they have a massive user base on iOS and Android? Look at BB and Windows Phone, which are actually very good, polished systems and not half-ass ports, and see how small their app ecosystems are.
But ask yourself this question: are you going to give up Android 4.2.2 on your Note for a half-ass port of Ubuntu Touch (pretty much all ports of CM are half-ass), lose the functionality of the S-Pen, and lose access to Google Play along with all of apps that make Android something more than just a device to browse the web? Because that's pretty much what you will end up with as it stands now. I will not discount the possibility that Ubuntu Touch will carve itself a niche market somewhere, but even if you can sideload Android apks, it is far more effort than most people will be willing to put up with.

I know this is an OLD thread, but I want to correct the people saying the x86/ARM difference means that software won't run on Ubuntu Touch. This is completely false. Ubuntu maintains repositories for all manners of architectures, including ARM. ALL OSS applications with full source will run under ARM (you can even do this on a Chromebook, which is amazingly nice.) as long as they have no proprietary binaries. This means that if you can download the source code, it can be compiled to work on ARM, and even done on the fly with apt.