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I just sold my Hero and wanted to say bye to you all!
Was a nice forum with nice cookers...
I'm getting the Desire
Cheerz
Another one bites the dust.
So long.
d3sm0nd said:
I just sold my Hero and wanted to say bye to you all!
Was a nice forum with nice cookers...
I'm getting the Desire
Cheerz
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And by that you're condoning HTC's code of conduct when they delayed the 2.1 upgrade...
Thiesen said:
And by that you're condoning HTC's code of conduct when they delayed the 2.1 upgrade...
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Yes, he exactly does what the HTC wankers wants us to do!
d3sm0nd said:
I just sold my Hero and wanted to say bye to you all!
Was a nice forum with nice cookers...
I'm getting the Desire
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You *censored*
Thiesen said:
And by that you're condoning HTC's code of conduct when they delayed the 2.1 upgrade...
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It is not just that...Desire has much faster cpu, and much better screen
benko286 said:
It is not just that...Desire has much faster cpu, and much better screen
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well good luck waiting for froyo
htc again just made a vague pr release stating H2 2010, which could be as late as 31 december 2010 -- given they don't delay it numerous times the same way they did with Hero
personally i'm just waiting for the Google NexusTwo (whenever that may be released) since Google (and in a way Motorola as well) makes sure u get the updates on time
* heck the only way i would reconsider an htc phone is if htc releases froyo on the hero before september
yozgatg said:
* heck the only way i would reconsider an htc phone is if htc releases froyo on the hero before september
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benko286 said:
It is not just that...Desire has much faster cpu, and much better screen
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That I can not deny...
And I can not deny the fact that HTC makes really good hardware...
But he's still accepting the fact that they are BS'ing us loyal Hero owners.
yozgatg said:
well good luck waiting for froyo
htc again just made a vague pr release stating H2 2010, which could be as late as 31 december 2010 -- given they don't delay it numerous times the same way they did with Hero
personally i'm just waiting for the Google NexusTwo (whenever that may be released) since Google (and in a way Motorola as well) makes sure u get the updates on time
* heck the only way i would reconsider an htc phone is if htc releases froyo on the hero before september
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yozgatg you have Hero?
Din't know that
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That I can not deny...
And I can not deny the fact that HTC makes really good hardware...
But he's still accepting the fact that they are BS'ing us loyal Hero owners.
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I know, I know that I will wait forever to get that update, and I know that it is unfair from HTC that it so fast forgets about Hero users..
Thank God we have XDA and I really hope that we will get the "update" soon
d3sm0nd said:
I just sold my Hero and wanted to say bye to you all!
Was a nice forum with nice cookers...
I'm getting the Desire
Cheerz
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shame on you
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
Heh, I just ditched my Hero as well, went for a Nexus One instead. Why? Given the relatively small size of the team that codes the HTC ROMs, the sheer tonage of handset models HTC produce in a year and the prolific rate of development for Android (which is a new thing for phones and outpaces the lifetime of a handset significantly), its pretty obvious that anything other than the Nexus One (currently) will be left behind within 6 months of release, doubly so given Sense. Plus, the Hero was the culmination of the Android Gen 1 phone cycle, and is underpowered compared to the Gen 2 phones IMHO. The only option is custom ROMs which, in all fairness to the hard work put in by the creators, can be hit and miss depending on what you personally expect from a device. The 2.1 Hero I played with was nice, but for me, it was too buggy for a phone I need to be working 100% while the owner was fine with random FC's, reboots, sensor issues and general beta-ish behaviour every now and again.
So, if you want to be at the bleeding edge, and have offical support, consider the Nexus One. My GF will be perfectly happy with the stock 1.5 Hero for some time, while I wouldn't be. Anything else is just wishful thinking if you are honest about HTC's capabilities and they way they operate as a company. The N1 is worlds away from the Hero, and a far nicer device.
I have buy a Desire, too! But I went back to the Hero, because my Desire have dust under the screen, after only 5 days. It was really a good device, but Hero have no dust after one year. So check the desirethreads here. Many users have problem with dust!
I've just been reading a review of the HTC Wildfire which is HTCs new budget android device... they seem to think its a lot better than the Tattoo. The specs though are very similar except it has a bit more RAM and a decent camera.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/624604/htc-wildfire-review/4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Tattoo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wildfire
Anyway, I thought it was an interesting comparison and shows what the Tattoo can still do especially as the chipsets are the same. I hope with a Froyo release for the Tattoo it can show its potential!
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I've just been reading a review of the HTC Wildfire which is HTCs new budget android device... they seem to think its a lot better than the Tattoo. The specs though are very similar except it has a bit more RAM and a decent camera.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/624604/htc-wildfire-review/4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Tattoo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wildfire
Anyway, I thought it was an interesting comparison and shows what the Tattoo can still do especially as the chipsets are the same. I hope with a Froyo release for the Tattoo it can show its potential!
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wildfire has a capacitive touchscreen --> multitouch
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wildfire has a capacitive touchscreen --> multitouch
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Apart from being able to pinch zoom who cares? And with a 3.2 inch screen anyway I don't think its the going to be beating an iPhone for web browsing just because it has multi touch lol. My point is that the Tattoo can be brought up to the same level with a complete 2.1/2.2 update.
Maybe that "bit more RAM" is necessary to have 2.1 and sense working fine.
But i'm not sure
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Apart from being able to pinch zoom who cares? And with a 3.2 inch screen anyway I don't think its the going to be beating an iPhone for web browsing just because it has multi touch lol. My point is that the Tattoo can be brought up to the same level with a complete 2.1/2.2 update.
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yes but in my opinion it won't arrive!
instead htc assured froyo for device from genuary 2010 excluding tattoo that exited on november/december 2009 -.-
i'm not talking about hardware that is almost the same but the support won't be the same for these devices...
do not forget wildfire start with a 2.1 upgradeable to 2.2
and the cost is almost the same for both devices...
Not from HTC it won't... but the development team here are almost there anyway so hopefully a fully working ROM will be here soon without the need for HTC!
And I think you're missing my point. Im just saying that the new device is basically the same as the Tattoo. Im not saying sombody should go out now and buy a Tattoo, that would be stupid lol.
HTC Wildfire is what the Tattoo should have been.
I'm not convinced in upgrading to the Wildfire just to replace my dying Tattoo.
People, I'm quite sure that HTC won't update Wildfire to 2.2. They will just leave it behind like they left behind the Tattoo! They clearly said that they will update most of the phones released in 2010...I don't know, but I sense that the wildfire users will be as disappointed as we were when they said that 2.1 isn't going to come for our tattoos...
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People, I'm quite sure that HTC won't update Wildfire to 2.2. They will just leave it behind like they left behind the Tattoo! They clearly said that they will update most of the phones released in 2010...I don't know, but I sense that the wildfire users will be as disappointed as we were when they said that 2.1 isn't going to come for our tattoos...
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Ditto. HTC just likes to put phones out there that they can't support, you buy it, you have to put up with it if it breaks. Makes me angry.
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Coburn64 said:
HTC Wildfire is what the Tattoo should have been.
I'm not convinced in upgrading to the Wildfire just to replace my dying Tattoo.
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I couldn't say that any better. 100% agree. I think there are basicly two type of needs/users.
One is what I call the "leisure" user (that could be myself on week ends) who wants a ample web browsing, full multimedia, multiple messaging (SMS's and chat), gaming, and so on. For these users, iPhone 3g/3gs/4, Nexus One, or alike any of both is the choice.
Another one is my so called "working" user (myself monday to friday), when your needs are mostly email (mostly exchange and push), quick browsing, mapping or navigation, shopping lists, to do lists, calendars, reminders, transportation routing or schedule querying, not too ambicious web browsing, some music/sudokuing is well appreciated. For this use, Tattoo-like->Wildfire is simply perfect: does it all, with no excess luggage (weight/size).
I don't know if I should say pitty or shame on HTC for releasing a device that in a very few months will be improved to the obsolecense point. We all know that in consumer technology you will never catch up with the very best, but HTC guys, we should be happy at least for one year. Is it to ask for too much? Did they invent the "decent camera" last week so it is just now that you could include it in your phones, or couldn't you do that on the Tattoo? And cant't you upgrade to 2.1 or 2.2? You HTC want to tell us that you can't do what some cooks on XDA have already done? I am certain that these guys are very well prepared, qualified and smart, no doubt on it, but what they do is some kind of hobby on their spare time, and they are charging not a cent!
Well, my hope like many others, is on these magnificent guys cooking new ROMs for all of us (hopefully we will have a 2.1 or 2.2 fully functional), and as some other dudes already have expressed, Tattoo might well be my last HTC device.
I think tattoo is lack of screen resolution and size of the screen other than it's good if you just work around with roms and install market patched hopefully soon we will have 2.2 or 2.1 fully working custom Roms with market patched and it will be really cool
But htc should do something about tattoo they can't just leave tattoo in blank
don't think on buying a wildfire. haven't you got enough with Tattoo? save some more money and buy a nexus one or an iphone, they are truly speedy and better quality
Coburn64 said:
Ditto. HTC just likes to put phones out there that they can't support, you buy it, you have to put up with it if it breaks. Makes me angry.
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HTC Officially released Android froyo (2.2) update for wildfire in europe. Just check below link,
http://www.htc.com/europe/support.aspx?type=Others
Soon to india.. wait.
I bought HTC Legend because it has the same features with HTC Desire but I like more Legend's design. I think is the best looking HTC mobile phone.
But I start getting pissed off with the updates and support from HTC. They are only talking about Desire, all discussions are about Desire, they do everything to satisfy Desire owners but not any word about Legend. Will there be a Froyo update for us? It is already available for Desire and N1 but no idea and no info from HTC about Legend. HTC gives updates for every other phone but nothing for Legend. They say nothing about it. They act as if the HTC Legend does not exist.
Today I sent a mail to HTC asking (again) if there are any news about Froyo. If I get a canned response (like "we will look into this and maybe you could some time have a response") and they don't give precise information, I will sell my HTC Legend and get Desire.
The most significant reason I need Froyo is the ability to install apps to SD card. When I had the iPhone I had lots of games and applications installed and never worried about the memory. Now everytime I install an app I have to check the available memory. And of course no chance to install games that take 20 and 30 MB of space, it is just impossible. I don't want to get back to iPhone, I like Android more (more features, customization, stability, faster, better multitasking) but maybe I will say goodbye to Legend and buy another Android phone if HTC continues ignoring us.
Yeah it is a bit of a pain I wish they'd just tell us what's going on
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It is annoying
Everytime i send them a message asking them if we will ever get froyo,all they can say is 'we're sorry we can not let any information out at the moment' and i don't know what bs more so i'm not even gonna bother messaging them again cause all they do is piss me off!-.-!
Just yes or no!
ARGHHH.
I love my Legend..and i don't wanna be forced selling it to buy a Desire just because HTC cares about them & not us..
i don't know why they're not telling us the truth , we just want to know if the update is coming or not ..
They said already that its coming. Even that HTC Manager in the Netherlands (who owns a Legend himself) mentioned it in his Twitter message.
Be patient guys, we will be getting it sooner or later. ;-)
Hope we don't have to wait as long as the Hero owners... I had a Hero myself and got really tired of waiting cuz HTC was delaying the Eclair update for more than 6 months. The Desire is their flagship in this regard and Hero/Legend devices are just some phones which need to be updated eventually after the dev work for the 'good' phone is done. I hope froyo will be out in the next two months, but I wouldn't be surprised to celebrate new year still on 2.1 :/
recently I contacted the HTC customer care regarding the same issue. They sound positive in updating the Legend, sooner or later. We should be patient. Here is there reply:
"Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center With regards to your inquiry, We are working closely with Google and our other partners to ensure we have the earliest access to everything we need to provide a complete and solid Sense experience on FROYO. We expect to release all updates in the second half of this year but can't be more specific yet."
One more thing, I recently heard that they have rolled back the update for desire due to some technical faults, people reported of some WIFI issues. Therefore, I think when we get the update it will be bug-free, not completely though.
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recently I contacted the HTC customer care regarding the same issue. They sound positive in updating the Legend, sooner or later. We should be patient. Here is there reply:
"Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center With regards to your inquiry, We are working closely with Google and our other partners to ensure we have the earliest access to everything we need to provide a complete and solid Sense experience on FROYO. We expect to release all updates in the second half of this year but can't be more specific yet."
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Great news! Thx for shareing this info.
Hmm.. why don't you just Root your legend and use a froyo rom ?? I'm running a 2.2 legend atm lol
As HTC have said. ALL 2010 HTC devices will have FroYo within Q4.
If you want apps on SD all you have to do is root and install a custom rom that is using A2SD..(apps to SD) I'm running my own rev 3 Rom with apps on SD..
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Does anyone know why the Desire got the froyo update first when the Legend actually came out earlier than them?
Because Desire is HTC's flagship, top of the line, finest product would be my guess.
And I don't how heavy 2.2 is to run but Desire comes with the 1GHz Snapdragon CPU and will run a less fine-tuned OS better than the Legend (this is also a wild guess)..
Edit: another reason is the N1, with almoast the same specs as the desire meaning its easyer for htc engineers to modify it for desire.
will the legend ever get the update ?
I sent a question to HTC yesterday, asking when we can expect the update on the legend... This was their answer:
"Android 2.2 (Froyo) update is sent out to customers in waves. This is done so we don’t overload our system. And because of this it may take longer for some of our customers to get it. You can try searching for it by typing the following: Settings -> about phone -> updating systems software -> Search now"
Not sure if she misunderstood me, I specified that I've got a Legend, but I would guess the response could be interpreted as if she thought I've got a Desire. I dunno. I just want the update.
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Because Desire is HTC's flagship, top of the line, finest product would be my guess.
And I don't how heavy 2.2 is to run but Desire comes with the 1GHz Snapdragon CPU and will run a less fine-tuned OS better than the Legend (this is also a wild guess)..
Edit: another reason is the N1, with almoast the same specs as the desire meaning its easyer for htc engineers to modify it for desire.
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even the EVO got the froyo update ... so i dont think thats the reason ... its probably cause the Desire has a larger user community then the Legend ..
I'm pretty sure we'll get it but we will have to wait until all other phones made in 2010 get it.
Because the Legend has the smallest community.
That's just simply what HTC needs to do, satisfy as much people as fast as possible.
So after all EVO users got there updates it's probably going to be the wildfire who's next and then probably us.
The legend hasn't specifically been named, but they have said that all android devices made in 2010 will get the update in Q3. So the legend will get it, just be patient.
Are you serious that even the Wildfire will get the update earlier than us? This must be the biggest joke ever.
So HTC's strategy is to get the more popular phones updated first and place the less popular ones below?
ryaneu said:
Are you serious that even the Wildfire will get the update earlier than us? This must be the biggest joke ever.
So HTC's strategy is to get the more popular phones updated first and place the less popular ones below?
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Who told u wildfire got it?
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I'm pretty sure we'll get it but we will have to wait until all other phones made in 2010 get it.
Because the Legend has the smallest community.
That's just simply what HTC needs to do, satisfy as much people as fast as possible.
So after all EVO users got there updates it's probably going to be the wildfire who's next and then probably us.
The legend hasn't specifically been named, but they have said that all android devices made in 2010 will get the update in Q3. So the legend will get it, just be patient.
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I dont think the Wildfire will get it before the Legend. The Wildfire is a mass-market low-end device unlike the Legend.
I think the delay is due to addition of new features like Live Wallpapers, as Froyo gives a supposed 450% performance boost that coupled with the same graphics chip as the Nexus One and the Desire should give the Legend a lot of processing power.
I agree. The Wildfire will probably get it before the Legend.
But the Legend will get it before Q4 afaik. Since HTC said all their 2010 devices would.
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think on the bright side .. HTC trying to integrate live wallpaper into froyo 2.2 for legend user that why it take so long..
who said wildfire community is bigger than the legend .. i don't think so ...
Are you sure that Legend is getting live wallpapers? Where did you hear that?
kazzaz said:
who said wildfire community is bigger than the legend .. i don't think so ...
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I just suppose it is, it is much more price friendly therefore much more in the price tag that most people are looking for.
jonas :
yea right , but still the extra money offers better specifcations and many also will think put the extra money for extra quality ..
but anyway wildfire first or the legend it dosen't matter but the most important thing that they should not forget the legend ..
Its probably easier for HTC to update the Wildfire because of its lower hardware specs.
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Its probably easier for HTC to update the Wildfire because of its lower hardware specs.
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Yea, probably not.
But no one can know which gets it first.
And if the Wildfire gets FroYo first. It's probably because it's newer. But as said before. All 2010 HTC devices will have FroYo before Q4.
Hopefully.. Never know with HTC.
if the wildfire gets the update i will have no doubt that the legend will get it because of the similir specifcations and hardware ...
Hi
As i see in my favorite forum, there are a lot of people interested to get the new HTC Desire HD
But Google has been announced about the now Android 3
So my friends
Do you think desire HD will support android 3
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Yes.
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i think that yep, but we will need to wait to mach time to htc to make it fit (btw - have root, have recovery - so have fun alon)
Given HTC's history, they have supported some phones and completely ignored some others.
We can only hope.
I think we should at least see 1 android version update (i.ex: if not v.3, at least a minor version like 2.3).
HTC flagship devices ussualy have updates (like Desire for example) so it's logically that we will have next update (gingerbread) but after realese of the new Android we need to wait at least 2-3 months for HTC engineers to make it with Sensu UI for our HDH
AFAIK Gingerbread is due Q410 or Q111, and hardware specs at that point aren't going to be drastically different - maybe see some dual-core chips from Qualcomm - but I can't see Gingerbread requiring that somehow.
It may be that we need to overclock our Desire HDs to get the most out of it, but I'm sure some clever bods will be able to port it across. The joys of open source software!
Yeah of course the DHD will support Gingerbread. Im looking forward to it mostly because of the rumored GPU acceleration in the UI. This will give our phones iPhone-like smoothness in scrolling, zooming etc. To be honest i cant believe Google hasnt implemented this yet.
Smartmob said:
HTC flagship devices ussualy have updates (like Desire for example) so it's logically that we will have next update (gingerbread) but after realese of the new Android we need to wait at least 2-3 months for HTC engineers to make it with Sensu UI for our HDH
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This is so wrong...
I rephrase that, "some HTC flagship devices usually have updates"
And from my experience I always miss those flagship devices...
From my experience, I got an Qtek (old HTC) S200 and a HTC Touch HD. Both were flagships at the time of release and never got big updates, like an important rom version change or a new manila version, only smaller and insignificant rom versions with small fixes.
Now HTC is improving but no matching to Apple for example.
Apple is releasing all the time small fixes and also adding some features and every year a big new version. This is what HTC should have been doing also
If it isn't officially released you can always hack new ROMs onto it
onesolo said:
This is so wrong...
I rephrase that, "some HTC flagship devices usually have updates"
And from my experience I always miss those flagship devices...
From my experience, I got an Qtek (old HTC) S200 and a HTC Touch HD. Both were flagships at the time of release and never got big updates, like an important rom version change or a new manila version, only smaller and insignificant rom versions with small fixes.
Now HTC is improving but no matching to Apple for example.
Apple is releasing all the time small fixes and also adding some features and every year a big new version. This is what HTC should have been doing also
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1. Yes, i agree, with my HD2 was the same story, but its all about WM models
2. Apple has only 1 phone = iPhone...Android has at least 6 diferent brands with at least 5-6 newer models...what gives at least 30 diferent mobiles. Well, thats sometimes too much work...and they just give up from some models :\
I bet that HTC won't bring Android 3 to the Desire HD.
Instead they prefer to upset all users.
A pity. They are still interested in selling hardware and now that it's the software that is pushing people we don't have any official update.
Same with the HD2 and the WP7.
I wouldn't be surprised if some clever person manages to hack WP7 onto the HD2. It makes sense given that I expect HTC designed the HD2 with WP7 in mind (before it got delayed so many times).
In fact, I can imagine people hacking WP7 onto the DesireHD given half the chance.
At the end of the day, the hardware is pretty much the same. There are some clever people out there.
I mean, my TP2 can run Android, WM6.5 and Ubuntu.
Heck, even the iPhone can run Android (kinda).
It will support it but i doubt it will get it for a couple of months after release because of HTC
Smartmob said:
HTC flagship devices ussualy have updates (like Desire for example) so it's logically that we will have next update (gingerbread) but after realese of the new Android we need to wait at least 2-3 months for HTC engineers to make it with Sensu UI for our HDH
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I thought Android 3 was no longer going to allow custom skins to be baked in. That they would have to be widgets. Am I mistaken?
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I thought Android 3 was no longer going to allow custom skins to be baked in. That they would have to be widgets. Am I mistaken?
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Thats Windows Mobile 7 At first though the rumors said they would not be allowed thing like Htc Sense but i think now they are things like HTC sense will not be encouraged or needed
Windows Phone 7 was originally not getting HTC Sense, but it is now. There were recent posts and videos on Engadget about it.
WP7 isn't getting sense, but it is getting "HTC Hub" which is an app that has a lot of sense-like functionality, but doesn't extend outside the confines of the Hub.
Windows Phone 7 is designed to be entirely Windows Phone 7 - it doesn't allow things to interact with it like sense (yet)
I agree that historically HTC has sold hardware .... but they too realise now that its the overall experience and are bringing extra services like HTCSense.com and their business model must be to eventually become like Apple's and gain other revenue streams too.
This means that they will want to engender brand loyalty and hence give updates and continuity to owners.
We all must be realistic here...HTC started with nothing 1997 and Apple was a gigant brand 90' and it is now.
Let gives some time for HTC and Android...about 2-3 years...than it will be very interesting competition...today already is, but than HTC will have a lot more money and be more compatitive to Apple (like a brand).