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Nexus One and Telus

I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?

DeadShawn said:
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
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And what, might I ask, is an "ATT Nexus one"? Nexus one is sold and branded by GOOGLE. It has UMTS 900/1700/2100. This is NOT the same as ATT frequencies, which are, as you mention, 850/1900.
The difference is that ATT has an EDGE network and GN1 supports EDGE at 850/900/1800/1900. BELUS does NOT.
If you want to use GN1 in Canada, I recommend you switch providers to WIND. Their rates are WAY better, and they run on UMTS 1700/2100, which is compatible with GN1.

I get a really *really* good deal with Telus. Unlimited data, more txt and minuets then ill ever use, all the extras (caller id, voice mail) and all for under $45. I make good use of the unlimited data via tethering.
Switching from telus isn't an option.
Oh, and sorry for calling it an ATT Nexus One, I was simply implying it was available on the ATT network, my mistake.

The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.

altarity said:
The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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that's pretty much the information I was looking for, thank you.

Galaxy S i9000 in United States

I have a European version Galaxy S i9000 that I am using in the US on AT&T. I have flashed JM5 firmware and then HACKECLAIR. I have been noticing that I don't get very good 3G reception. Occasionally it will say '3G', but most of the time it switches between 'H' and 'E'. Is anyone else using a SGS on AT&T in the US seeing this? Is it possible to flash a better radio?
Thanks for any comments.

H is quicker than 3G, I think it stands for HSPDA

Listed slowest to fastest
E = EDGE
3G = 3G
H = HSPDA
so if you're mostly getting H you're not doing to badly.

isn't 3G "UMTS"?
and like enigmameusa said, it's HSDPA, not HSPDA

you can not flash better radio
SGS is hardware radio, not software
if you have a Euro/Asia version then you are running 900/1900/2100 for 3G and HSPDA
if you have the American / Canadian models then you have 850/1900/2100 for 3G and HSPDA

hobbes487 said:
I have a European version Galaxy S i9000 that I am using in the US on AT&T. I have flashed JM5 firmware and then HACKECLAIR. I have been noticing that I don't get very good 3G reception. Occasionally it will say '3G', but most of the time it switches between 'H' and 'E'. Is anyone else using a SGS on AT&T in the US seeing this? Is it possible to flash a better radio?
Thanks for any comments.
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The AT&T 3G band is 850. European model does not have this band as mentioned.​

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The AT&T 3G band is 850. European model does not have this band as mentioned.​
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AT&T also uses 1900 for 3G.
The OP is just in an area with more 850 and 1900 3G coverage. You would fare better selling the European one and picking up an unlocked Vibrant which is identical to your model from Canada or getting the Captivate from AT&T.

Beware the captivate has 3g upload speeds locked as in u will only get up to around 300 k upload speed
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Great, so even 3G has different standards in different country?
Why is it so difficult to have a common standard around the globe? This is why we can't have nice things...

snapper.fishes said:
Great, so even 3G has different standards in different country?
Why is it so difficult to have a common standard around the globe? This is why we can't have nice things...
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The standard is the same globally, it's the frequency in which it operates that veries. It's due to spectrum that may be used in Europe being used for other services here. It goes back to a time before there were mobile phones.
Even in the US, T-Mobile and AT&T operate at different frequencies for 3G.

decepticon said:
AT&T also uses 1900 for 3G.
The OP is just in an area with more 850 and 1900 3G coverage. You would fare better selling the European one and picking up an unlocked Vibrant which is identical to your model from Canada or getting the Captivate from AT&T.
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The Vibrant is not identical to the Canadian one, I really wish Bell hadn't insisted on calling theirs the "Galaxy S Vibrant" as this creates unnecessary confusion as it is very different from the T-Mobile vibrant. The Canadian Model is essentially the Euro one but with 850/1900/2100 3g instead of 900/1900/2100. The T-Mobile Vibrant uses 1700/2100, has a different button configuration and lacks a front facing cam.
You would really be best buying a captivate from AT&T since you are with them lol, unless you really really want the Canadian design and front facing cam, in which cause you'd have to buy a Bell one and unlock it.

[Q] On which US carriers will the SGSII work?

Hi guys,
I picked up an SGSII from Expansys and it runs no problem on Fido up in Canada. I'm taking a trip down to the US next month and was wondering which of the big carriers in the states would run the SGSII. I figure AT&T would, but as the phone is quad-band, I'm not 100% sure if there are other national carriers that would do the trick.
Thanks!
FK

fusionknight said:
Hi guys,
I picked up an SGSII from Expansys and it runs no problem on Fido up in Canada. I'm taking a trip down to the US next month and was wondering which of the big carriers in the states would run the SGSII. I figure AT&T would, but as the phone is quad-band, I'm not 100% sure if there are other national carriers that would do the trick.
Thanks!
FK
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Of the major US carriers, it will work on ATT and T-Mobile. It will only get 3g on AT&T as the SGS2 doesn't support TMO's 3g bands.

Hmm. I'm a little confused. The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says that their 3G bands are 2100MHz and 1700MHz. The SGSII apparently has 2100MHz as one of the accepted frequencies (again according to wiki). How come 3G won't work on T-Mobile?
Presumably, the phone won't work on Verizon because, while the frequencies match, Verizon is running on CDMA and the SGSII only supports GSM. Right?
Thanks again!

fusionknight said:
Hmm. I'm a little confused. The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says that their 3G bands are 2100MHz and 1700MHz. The SGSII apparently has 2100MHz as one of the accepted frequencies (again according to wiki). How come 3G won't work on T-Mobile?
Presumably, the phone won't work on Verizon because, while the frequencies match, Verizon is running on CDMA and the SGSII only supports GSM. Right?
Thanks again!
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T-Mo US needs 1700 and 2100, not just 2100. Att uses 850 or 1900. 3G won't work on T-Mo

No matter what it says on paper, there's a couple of people here that have tried the phone on T-Mobile U.S and get EDGE speed downloads.

Good stuff. Thanks for the help guys.

T-Mobile USA to 3g on 1900Mhz band

There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?

bloodyduster said:
There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?
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T-mo 3G is 1700 mhz. AFAIK, the Note doesn't support this. So you're out of luck for 3G on T-mo USA (or any other service that backpacks onto T-mo's network, like SIMple Mobile.)

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
T-mo 3G is 1700 mhz. AFAIK, the Note doesn't support this. So you're out of luck for 3G on T-mo USA (or any other service that backpacks onto T-mo's network, like SIMple Mobile.)
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Actually, the hardware is in the device for Tmo 3g 1700/2100. However, it's not enabled.

bloodyduster said:
There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?
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This is probably due to the likely joint operations that is likely between T-Mobile and AT&T now that AT&T's deal to buy them out looks like it won't happen.

But there are reports of Iphone 4S, which uses 1900Mhz, to run at 3g speeds on T-Mobile. If that is true, wouldn't the GNote also be capable of running at 3g speeds with its 1900 Mhz frequency?

Well if anyone has a 1900mhz phone only and gets 3G with T-Mobile, please report your location.
If I didn't have to register to that site, I would tell them: Screw the iPhone, this is where my Galaxy Note comes in.

cu_ninja said:
Actually, the hardware is in the device for Tmo 3g 1700/2100. However, it's not enabled.
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Yeah I've heard something about that. However, for all intents and purposes, until someone figures out a way to enable that, the Note is still just a quad-band 3/4G device (850/900/1900/2100) as far as I'm concerned.
As for the 4S being able to operate on T-mo's 3G, I'm willing to bet that it has more to do with the Gobi chip inside. I'm pretty sure the 4S chipset supports 1700 AWS.

bloodyduster said:
But there are reports of Iphone 4S, which uses 1900Mhz, to run at 3g speeds on T-Mobile. If that is true, wouldn't the GNote also be capable of running at 3g speeds with its 1900 Mhz frequency?
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Link Please?

The forum won't allow me to post external links until I've reached at least 8 posts.
Just google "gsmarena iphone 4s tmobile 3g" and it should be the first link.

From the different articles I've read (The Verge, Redmond Pie, etc) it seems this is only happening in parts of California and Nevada but they expect it to grow across the country in the coming months.

Is tmobile acessing AT&Ts bands to let this happen?

Here's some info about this....
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._3g_access_to_some_unlocked_iphone_users.html

n25philly said:
This is probably due to the likely joint operations that is likely between T-Mobile and AT&T now that AT&T's deal to buy them out looks like it won't happen.
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Deal's off.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/19/2647291/at-t-kills-t-mobile-merger-plans

i think what he is saying is that since the deal is off, tmobile can utilize those bands. (Part of the deal between tmobile and at&t was that if it didnt go through they would get 4 billion dollars and access to some of their spectrum)

Any update on this?
Anyone with a Note getting 3G at all?

I'm very tempted to pick up a t-mobile sim and grab a prepaid plan and try this on my International Note, this is great news.
Any updates on how far the 1900 MHz 3G has expanded or if us international note users can unlock our radios for 1700 AWS?

seeking said:
i think what he is saying is that since the deal is off, tmobile can utilize those bands. (Part of the deal between tmobile and at&t was that if it didnt go through they would get 4 billion dollars and access to some of their spectrum)
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If I remember correctly, if the deal fell through it was almost 8 Billion dollars in penalties. 3 or 4 billion in cash or stock swaps and the balance in frequency trades and roaming deals.

As a T-Mobile user...

So as far as my research goes there are 2 options for the GS3 on t-mobile.
One is buy the international version and wait for t-mobile to upgrade their network which they say will be out by the "end of the year."
The second is pick up a gs3 from WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron (Canadian carriers that use the same frequencies as T-Mobile).
Is the second option even viable or should I just get the international version? To put things in perspective of why I want to upgrade now, my g2x was stolen a few months ago and I've been suffering with my 8900 Blackberry....a phone with 2G speeds and the processing power of a rock and I just cannot take this any more.

One question is the chip the North American version will get, which is probably the S4 Krait, it has very good performance and probably more battery efficient. Sound quality should be excellent like the HTC One S. Not to mention LTE support too, which T-Mobile is unveiling next year.
With that said, I always go for the international version, its released first for one and generally has more developers. I buy my phones at full price and int' version generally has better resale values. I don't think you have a lot of choice if you are in contract.
I can tolerate the 2G until 1900mhz band works with T-Mobile, I only need data for Google Maps, I get on WiFi otherwise.

Funny. I broke my N1 and am stuck with a BB curve 3600. It's been a month or so now....and I believe I've been punished long enough!

I wouldn't be able to tolerate the 2G speeds. So I will be getting it through mobile when they release release it. Having carrier warranty is a big plus for me too.
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well I'm sure there will be canadians that would be willing to sell their phones out of contract, full price. I wouldn't be locked into a contract either way.

i wouldn't mind helping out our fellow breathens from the south
i know i'll be picking it up for sure when it becomes available in store.
just keep in mind there's a 13% tax here + FedEx shipping fees which varies for northern states is aprox $20, southern states is about $26

AllGamer said:
i wouldn't mind helping out our fellow breathens from the south
i know i'll be picking it up for sure when it becomes available in store.
just keep in mind there's a 13% tax here + FedEx shipping fees which varies for northern states is aprox $20, southern states is about $26
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whats 40 bucks when you have the top phone working on your network ahead of everyone else right?

i would think it would be the international version that WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron would be getting, sense they dont have LTE.

tkeyes said:
i would think it would be the international version that WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron would be getting, sense they dont have LTE.
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did you check the radio bands included in the international model?

yes, they dont work with t-mo till the end of end of the year. no one wants 2G service.

International/Unlocked S3 on T-Mobile or AT&T (USA)
tkeyes said:
yes, they dont work with t-mo till the end of end of the year. no one wants 2G service.
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Why won't they work?
I read the International Version can run on either T-Mobile (USA) or AT&T network, since the International Version of the S3 uses the same spectrum. It won't be possible to use LTE, but HSPA+ is possible... so I read.
Don't know if you specifically meant the Canadian version, because the International SG3 uses "850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz", for use with "3g (hspa＋ 21mbps)" (= T-Mobile).
Can you provide a few more details on why it's not supposed to work, as you say ??
Thanks!

androidarmin said:
Why won't they work?
I read the International Version can run on either T-Mobile (USA) or AT&T network, since the International Version of the S3 uses the same spectrum. It won't be possible to use LTE, but HSPA+ is possible... so I read.
Don't know if you specifically meant the Canadian version, because the International SG3 uses "850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz", for use with "3g (hspa＋ 21mbps)" (= T-Mobile).
Can you provide a few more details on why it's not supposed to work, as you say ??
Thanks!
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Cause it doesn't list 1700mhz, which tmobile needs for the down link.
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The 1700 mhz band is not necessarily needed. I just checked some other sources, and they say it's only needed for LTE - which T-Mobile won't have until some time in 2013 anyway. HSPA+ is good enough for speedy downloads on the 1900 mhz band.
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Just found this one on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA
[T-Mobile] Radio frequency spectrum chart
The following chart describes radio frequency spectrum bands accessible by the company's customers using compatible devices.
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1700+2100 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G (formerly 3G)
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G
This means, the International SG3 will be fine in the U.S. using T-Mobile's speedy HSPA+ network... and that's all I need.

..???..
Well... this is confusing: T-Mobile's website (for SIM-only plans) actually states..
Important note about 3G phones:
If you own a 3G phone but it does not support the 1700-MHz band, it will operate at 2G (EDGE) speeds on our network.
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Looks like you guys were right... This sucks!!!

you need 1700 Mhz for AWS 3G/4G support
LTE is not even in the picture

I believe t mobile has had a SGSIII go through the FCC in the last week. I believe they will be getting their own model.
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planoman said:
I believe t mobile has had a SGSIII go through the FCC in the last week. I believe they will be getting their own model.
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I believe that is correct, by the end of next month tmo should be selling it. I have a feeling that it's going to be the same as the international version.
Sent from T-Mobile's galaxy S II running ICS

Has anyone read this article about the relase date. My contract is up this week but im waiting untill its released. Seems like the speeds will be 4g but no quad-core processor
Plus I heard the Samsung Galaxy Note is going to be released on TMo too!!
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/05/samsung-galaxy-s3-note-in-t-mobile-document/

moshe22 said:
I wouldn't be able to tolerate the 2G speeds. So I will be getting it through mobile when they release release it. Having carrier warranty is a big plus for me too.
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Exactly true for me. On verizon tho.

I can deal with edge speeds as WiFi is everywhere, plus T-Mo is refarming their spectrum - the Int'l Version should be compatible with 4G by Q4