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i dont know about other retailers, but i just got this clove.co.uk email!
this is ridiculous! i cancelling my order!
"We have been informed today, by Sony Ericsson that the first of the Sony XPERIA X1 units have been delayed until the end of October"
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i dont know about other retailers, but i just got this clove.co.uk email!
this is ridiculous! i cancelling my order!
"We have been informed today, by Sony Ericsson that the first of the Sony XPERIA X1 units have been delayed until the end of October"
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I recieved the same email as well..
Wow, that sucks. Even SE reps said clove.co.uk would be the first retailer to ship unlocked units to customers as soon as tomorrow! I wonder what the issue is now, most likely either a major software malfunction or they shipped the wrong units that don't have 384MB of ram
dont expect to get it at end of October!
i getting used to SE lies!
i expect when end of October comes, new date is end of November!
Hope they still annouce the US version on the 3rd then.
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Hope they still annouce the US version on the 3rd then.
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ya. announce on 11/3/08.
real date on store, summer 2009? haha
Time to let Sony Ericsson hear your thoughts... start out with Xperiancers (run by a SE team including Magnus)...
I just posted this comment on their launch post: (hopefully they will reply)
Hi,
Clove has sent out e-mails that SE has delayed Xperia till the end of the month and thus it won't be available now. Is this true? if so, then it really sucks!
The set was "officialy" launched on the 30th of last month. Over 10 days later, still no final Xperia device has been seen, and no store is yet offering it on sale - i.e. having it in stock.
Furthermore, there is not a single page that details the entire specifications of Xperia in detail. The whitepaper that was recently linked to on Xperiancers was also from back in May. Does Sony Ericsson even know how to market their phones and how to detail them? Because from where i'm sitting, Johnny X seems to be the only marketing campaign at the moment and it is completely useless.
Over a month back i was determined to purchase Touch Pro... then i switched to Xperia and decided to wait. But now i am getting really impatient with Sony Ericsson and lack of any final device reviews and availability and this after 2 weeks of the "supposed" launch of Xperia.
Is there any chance that Xperia will be actually launched/availble within this week or early next? Or is it actually delayed?
I have to say that i am extremely disappointed in Sony Ericsson at this point and have pretty much lost confident in it. Even the demonstration video by Xperiancers done a few days back is on a prototype/non-final device which is what the demonstrator continuously states at the start and end of the demonstration.. Maybe i should just go for some other smartphone?
Hopefully you'll have enough decency to supply us with an insight on when actually will Xperia be available. I don't care about where it will be available - may it be UK or on a remote island - but just tell us WHEN WILL XPERIA BE ACTUALLY AVAILABLE?!?!?!?!?
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
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Time to let Sony Ericsson hear your thoughts... start out with Xperiancers (run by a SE team including Magnus)...
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y even bother with that site! they LIE just like SE!
"X1 is shipped on 9/30/2008 from factory as scheduled!". (not exact quote, but something like that).
Actually it probably has shipped but my guess is that it has gone to the carriers (Voda, O2 - maybe Orange - lol!). The carriers do not bring it out straight away as they are busy branding the phones with their sh*t - Orange and Voda are well known for that (Orange will even drop a phone if it can't put its software on to it).
O2 as far as I know don't brand it too heavily - hence why they may well be the first carrier out with it on Monday ( I have already seen adverts in Oxford Street). The carriers take priority and then the online outlets get their slice later....
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O2 as far as I know don't brand it too heavily - hence why they may well be the first carrier out with it on Monday ( I have already seen adverts in Oxford Street). The carriers take priority and then the online outlets get their slice later....
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what make u so sure it will appear on Monday?
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Actually it probably has shipped but my guess is that it has gone to the carriers (Voda, O2 - maybe Orange - lol!). The carriers do not bring it out straight away as they are busy branding the phones with their sh*t - Orange and Voda are well known for that (Orange will even drop a phone if it can't put its software on to it).
O2 as far as I know don't brand it too heavily - hence why they may well be the first carrier out with it on Monday ( I have already seen adverts in Oxford Street). The carriers take priority and then the online outlets get their slice later....
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You know, i think you are right... i have seen O2 claims that it'll be launching Xperia early next week and Vodafone is slated to release it by the 17th.
So maybe, it is stores such as Clove or Expansys that are delayed.
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You know, i think you are right... i have seen O2 claims that it'll be launching Xperia early next week and Vodafone is slated to release it by the 17th.
So maybe, it is stores such as Clove or Expansys that are delayed.
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so is clove or expansys, they claiming to have it on week 10/6/2008,
then next week.
now is end of october,
and then it will be november!
i really getting tired of SE LIES!
Me too, it doesn´t make any sens to wait for this for phone I will skip it, the only thng that SE can s to delay this this phone every week, time to wait for another phone
I still believe the swedish release date will be tomorrow. I'll be informed tomorrow morning IF it has been released and maybe I can try it out for a couple of minutes.
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so is clove or expansys, they claiming to have it on week 10/6/2008,
then next week.
now is end of october,
and then it will be november!
i really getting tired of SE LIES!
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As far as i know, Expansys, Clove and other such sites have been delaying. But those launching against a network - like Vodafone or O2 - they are staying steady on their launch date.
Update:
Just got this from Clove - after i sent 'em an e-mail inquiring about the availability for Xperia. I also sent one to Expansys and will post their response too when they send it:
"Hi Salman, we have received news today that the release of the X1 has now been delayed until the end of this month. However, we have been assured that we will be among those receiving the first models once it is released. If you would like to place a backorder now you will be in the priority queue for a device. However, we will not charge your card for the order until the machines are in stock and ready to be shipped."
Now this here is a big concern for me... as i was looking forward to purchase Xperia within next week. Now it seems that it won't be available.
I would have probably waited longer, but phones don't come to Pakistan that quick after they are available, and my window for purchasing was via my brother who is travelling to UAE next week. Now i'm back to the same question; "To wait or not to wait? Xperia or some other?"
Update 2: But see, this guy gives me hope...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434822
thankfully my existing contract doesnt run out till march. Im still gettin an X1 as soon as they come out, ill just pay my contract off
Xperia is definitely launched in Sweden... When will it be available at clove or expansys? i don't know, but i'm certain that networks will be launching as planned.
Sounds as if it was an extremely limited stock that was released to Sweden though. To be honest I think they were still making some last minute changes in the face of known deficiencies - for instance on one recent video the reviewer said it came with the SPB Shell Panel, whereas MR's review unit did not have this.
Spb panel must be downloaded from SE`s website. (It is free.) It is not pre-installed on the device.
Thats what I thought, but not according to the video where he says it was pre-installed... Who the heck really knows, waaay too much conflicting information around this phone (theres a lesson in there for you SE).
Sony Ericsson has yet to make this public, but we've learned that the flagging handset maker has caved once more to the pressures of the modern phone market place. If you'll recall, 450 employees were nixed from the company's payrolls in September of last year, and now the entire Research Triangle Park facility is being shuttered. In an internal announcement made this morning, SE is fixing to close four total sites: RTP in North Carolina, a smaller Miami facility and operations in Kista (Sweden) and Chennai. All told, 2,000 employees will be trimmed, with severance packages being offered to those who qualify. As of now, the departing individuals have yet to be chosen, with employees in RTP given the opportunity to apply for jobs elsewhere (likely in Atlanta or California). We're told that the cuts will happen "in stages," with project teams being assembled as we speak to work out the logistics. Frankly, we aren't as shocked as we are saddened to hear the news -- SE has refused to keep pace with the other handset makers, and its decision to wait until next year to ship an Android device is indicative of the choices that have kept it in the shadows these past few years. Here's hoping this restructuring effort actually gets things headed in the right direction.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/18/sony-ericsson-closing-four-facilities-laying-off-2-000-employee/
Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
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Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
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Yup you're right, it's weird, why wouldn't they release it in the states? Releasing it with upgraded specs would also be a bad thing, what would the rest of the world think then?
Maybe the phone didn't pass FCC regulations or something, I've got no clue (Nor really care since I'm not in the states.)
My The phone has a FCC ID number. Do doesn't it mean they have passed?
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Interestingly, there is an NDTV article just released that reports 4.6 million potential XZ sales. So maybe I'm wrong and they do know what they're doing =D
Although, it remains to be seen how it will fair against the One and GS4 which will hit the world market soon.
I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
"At the farmers market with my so-called girlfriend.
She hands me her cell phone. Says it's my dad.
Man, this ain't my dad - this is a cell phone!
I threw it on the ground!"
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I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
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so cool
The problem with the US market is that the carriers mess with the devices. In a normal market, Sony can take the Xperia Z and release it through independent retailers and also let carriers sell it without altering the device (other than very light branding in some cases).
To me, it is fully understandable that Sony don't want to mess with one Xperia ZV for Verizon, an Xperia ZS for Sprint and finally Xperia ZL for AT&T and T-Mobile. It means three different versions of what is supposedly to be the same product.
Each version requires extra testing, FCC certification and is crippled by the carriers - each update has to go through them and people would complain about "Sony is not updating" et al.
It makes more sense to sell the Xperia Z in developed markets, i.e. markets where a C6602 or C6602 is ALWAYS the same. Europe is one example and with the big middle class in India, that is another example of a better market from their perspective.
It makes more sense for Sony to bring the Xperia to the US through themselves, in unlocked editions and then sell them together with prepaid cards and perhaps offer some kind of installment plan for paying off the device. Making THREE different versions of the device just in order to get it on US carriers is just not worth it.
Educated consumers in the US knows better than signing away $2699 ($299 + $100 x 24) - they buy their Xperia directly from Sony and pays $30-50 per month. Sony should aim for those consumers and profile themselves as a highend brand rather than going for those low class, ugly and crippled carrier branded devices with tons of bloatware that Joe Public craves for.
A Sony should be a pure Sony. Not a Sony AT&T, Sony Sprint, Sony Verizon or Sony T-Mobile. The latter could be an option for selling the devices provided that they can be unbranded and unlocked, without any T-Mobile logotype or bloatware in place.
The T-Mobile UnCarrier move would be a perfect fit for Sony but only if they can sell unmolested products. The other three carriers is not a good option because of the terrible mess they offer with branding etc.
The Sony brand should be kept clean. A Sony should always be a Sony, a pure experience like the Nexus.
The main problem is that while Sony does have devices with proper band support for AT&T and T-Mobile, they aren't selling them.
Seriously, I can't figure out why the C6602 is not available for purchase in this country. Releasing just the ZL is a huge mistake IMO - the Z has its water/dustproofing as a MASSIVE differentiator. The ZL is really "just another 5" 1080p phone" to most people. Yes, it has more polished software than any other device on the market - but consumers are so used to carrier mangling they won't see that.
Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
n4 king of sales numbers are not even worth the effort probably, z is in high demand and shortages in many countries right now, best to allocate all the stocks at hand to those markets that actually want it bad.
There are two retailers that carries the Xperia Z C6602: At GSM in Bowery Street and Mobile City Online in Walker Street.
I bought my C6602 at At GSM.
It would be nice to have it in the Sony Center too but even if they would sell it, I don't think there would be many retailers with it. Perhaps J&R. Otherwise, most of the mobile phone stores are carrier affiliated and therefore out of the question for anything unlocked and standardized.
I would like more manufacturers take a hard stance against the carriers in the US. Their modifications and branding dilutes the original brand of the device while most consumers blame the manufacturer rather than the carrier when there's no updates or delays.
Even if Sony should bring the C6602 in to the Sony Center, I stand behind their decision fully. Their brand represents quality and class and should provide a controlled experience - i.e. 100% Sony. Not 50% Sony and 50% [insert carrier of choice].
Another important thing is that beside modifications and branding, the marketing etc are put into the hands of the carriers. The manufacturer is pretty much out of the loop and that mean that the gains of getting a device out on a carrier could be a loss when everything comes around.
It is also worth to mention that the US market is such a terrible mess that a more standardized market like Europa or India etc simply makes more sense since they can receive a standard model (C6602 or C6603) that doesn't require extra testing etc.
You can supply the whole EU with C6603 while the US market would require a minimum of 3 different models (if AT&T and T-Mobile gets the same version) - if it would go to local carriers like US Cellulars it results in even more models. If the device sells 6 million divided between those different versions, then the problem is very obvious.
If we are kind and say that total sales is 6 million divided on AT&T 2 M, Verizon 2 M and 1 M each for Sprint and T-Mobile, the question is if it is worth the trouble. Especially since all those devices are different models even if it is supposedly the "same product" in the sales literature.
Personally, I would not release a product under those circumstances when I can go to the EU market and sell it in all countries with very slight alterations (translating some manuals and warranty papers).
It is also worth to mention that the risk for badwill is high if the carriers decides to withdraw further update support even if the manufacturer provides new updates. Since people will complain about Sony if a Verizon Xperia ZV doesn't receive updates, the problem is obvious.
I've never understood why Sprint/AT&T feel the need to plaster their crap over devices... NO ONE wants it.
At least here in the UK it's a bit more toned down.
They are, newegg and amazon have them on sale already. And it's the 6602 with sony us warranty.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
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I just bought a ZL from newegg today, C6506. But they also had the Z in C6602 form (the LTE model is "coming soon").
OMG I BOUGHT MINE ON EBAY FROM HK FOR 591 i hope its unlock!!!!
None of these responses really make any sense...
Sony is operating their mobile division at a loss. They want to compete with the big 2 (Samsung and Apple) in releasing a product, the XZ, that is in line w/ the Galaxy S line and iPhone. But because it is too difficult, they will sacrifice one of the largest target markets in the world?
Again, I'm not arguing that the US is the center of the world, but we remain a HUGE share of consumers for high end smartphones. And it isn't just the US, I just happened to choose it as one example. Quite frankly, what makes the Galaxy S line and iPhone such a success is that it can reach so many markets. And I think HTC realizes this, albeit quite late in the race. HTC finally released a 'world' phone in that its One reaches the masses in one config or another. No longer are they marketing the Droid, One X, DNA, etc. as their marquee phones.
This seems to be a misstep of Sony's. And with all the positive reviews coming in for the One and GS4, it looks like it's time to write off the XZ.
I wouldn't write off the Z so quickly. Other than the slightly slower processor, everything else is still more or less on par, some things slightly more so (waterproofing was what sold it for me, excellent developer support is another. Really, which other manufacturer makes AOSP builds for their phones?)
US carriers are mess with the devices, which are not unlockable in india..
anyone know the total sales of the xperia play? I know it's not the best seller but it seems these phones are still being bought today even after 2 years.
Sony has never released the numbers, but have always claimed that the Xplay's sales have "met expectations".
Media outlets and employee's from retailers like Carphone Warehouse have said the Xperia Play's sales have been poor. The number of downloads for Play Station certified games on Google Play have also pointed towards poor sales of the phone.
Other than the 2 phones I have had in my possession, I have never seen an Xperia Play in the wild, or personally known or met another person who has the phone.
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Sony has never released the numbers, but have always claimed that the Xplay's sales have "met expectations".
Media outlets and employee's from retailers like Carphone Warehouse have said the Xperia Play's sales have been poor. The number of downloads for Play Station certified games on Google Play have also pointed towards poor sales of the phone.
Other than the 2 phones I have had in my possession, I have never seen an Xperia Play in the wild, or personally known or met another person who has the phone.
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ive met 1 person only. other than that no
Ive seen 2, both at my school.
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Sony has never released the numbers, but have always claimed that the Xplay's sales have "met expectations".
Media outlets and employee's from retailers like Carphone Warehouse have said the Xperia Play's sales have been poor. The number of downloads for Play Station certified games on Google Play have also pointed towards poor sales of the phone.
Other than the 2 phones I have had in my possession, I have never seen an Xperia Play in the wild, or personally known or met another person who has the phone.
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I've seen about 7 people, 2 at a Def Leppard concert last year. And the rest either among a couple co-workers and or just out and about.
Eldar Murtazin states that due to factory defects, the general availability of the Xperia Z2 is delayed until end of 2nd quarter. Apparently the issue has to do with the screen.
twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/450584042283749378
"Sony in its repertoire - in z2 found three factory defect. Issue moved to the end of the 2nd quarter. Save on all components"
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Eldar Murtazin states that due to factory defects, the general availability of the Xperia Z2 is delayed until end of 2nd quarter. Apparently the issue has to do with the screen.
twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/450584042283749378
"Sony in its repertoire - in z2 found three factory defect. Issue moved to the end of the 2nd quarter. Save on all components"
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wHAT!!!!
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Oh I saw that Edgar Murtazin is often spreading untrue rumours.......
Hope this is one untrue rumour then
That doesn't make much sense. That would insinuate sony is admitting existing already manufactured stock that's going out to pre-orderers has known defects in them. If that were true there's no way that would be in an article/report
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That doesn't make much sense. That would insinuate sony is admitting existing already manufactured stock that's going out to pre-orderers has known defects in them. If that were true there's no way that would be in an article/report
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Makes sense if rumours that say initial release is delayed until mid-may come true, time enough to fix the preordered units. At present time this is nothing but a rumour, but coming from Murtazin you never know...
He has got some stuff right in the past obviously so you have to give him some credibility for that. I read that 4.4.3 is going to release in the first half of April, that would make for some interesting timing in that regard as well.
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That doesn't make much sense. That would insinuate sony is admitting existing already manufactured stock that's going out to pre-orderers has known defects in them. If that were true there's no way that would be in an article/report
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And Sony would lose its brand value, there's no way Sony would want that.
I suspect the guy is paid by Samsung.
Wouldn't second quarter be June!? That would be terrible!
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I spoke today with Sony mobile Store customer service about my pre-order and they said they will be shipping from the 15th April...:silly:
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I spoke today with Sony mobile Store customer service about my pre-order and they said they will be shipping from the 15th April...:silly:
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Good news! As we were concerned about the matter, we've also been talking today with a Sony sales rep and he told us that:
- They will start shipments on April 14.
- They will serve preorders first, then new orders placed. Supposedly regular sales will be opened from Sony's website that same day.
- They never expected such high demand, but we were assured that there will be no delays.
And besides, the Sony store is closed for maintenance. Maybe preparing sales campaign?
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And Sony would lose its brand value, there's no way Sony would want that.
I suspect the guy is paid by Samsung.
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Samsung Galaxy S5 launch – 18.00. Barcelona. 23 February. Price the same. Launch – end of April. Specs – u know them new touchwiz
— Eldar Murtazin (@eldarmurtazin) January 21, 2014
he s not reliable !
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- They never expected such high demand, but we were assured that there will be no delays.
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That's pretty poor for Sony if true. Seems they weren't actually willing to commit too much money to getting large scale production going then.
In recent years, Apple, Samsung and others will have gone all in on a new flagship. If demand was lower, the stock will still be sold over time through new advertising campaigns, or if necessary, a price cut (less applicable to Apple on the price cut mind).
If Sony has been cautious, it makes me wonder why. When they announced it, we got all the press releases from the carriers saying they'd be selling it. It stands to reason, they'll be getting large orders in.
But, now that more and more places are reporting a delay, I have to assume that some people saying it's still on target simply weren't told yet. It does look like the news of the delay is coming from Sony in an official capacity.
I actually think Eldar might be right on this. His success rate has fallen a lot over the years, and he's certainly someone who holds a grudge against many manufacturers that stopped feeding him early production devices to do 300 page reviews on, but he clearly does still have some good contacts who give him inside information - if not the actual hardware itself.
One of the online retailers said that they are getting the Taiwan version of the Z2 in mainland in China and they already have the Z2 for the China region.
Since I want google play store I will have to stick with the Taiwan or Hong Kong. So I don't think that they will push it that back and I am pretty sure they are starting to sell the device.
Here's the link if you're interested in getting this device. But he's in China for sure.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.0.0.ou6KNk&id=37488089756
screen issues
Screen issues could well be a problem to cause delay
I have a (prototype) Z2 and even with 'Glove Mode' off, the screen will work with gloves on
it will also work with a wad of tissues over the end of my finger
and worst of all it will still respond and start apps etc when the SONY Style book type cover is closed!
very annoying having to turn off screen before closing the flap.
With glove mode enabled ....maybe a gentle puff of air may even work!!!!!!
Could firmware fix this?
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Bell ( Canda Carrier ) confirm exclusive release date for May :
http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/04/01/sony-xperia-z2-coming-to-bell-in-may-as-an-exclusive/
Spanish carrier Yoigo announces availability on April 25. I assume they have stock enough.
T-Mobile NL will be the first retailer to start selling it in the Netherlands and i can confirm that it is delayed to week 20 (12-05).