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So... Everyone is still getting screwed by Google 'eh? How about that $279 that basically no one can get because we are all on family plans... Well THERE IS A WAY AROUND THIS! >.> <.< Quick before Google catches on, buy yours.
Now that the fun is out of the way =) I don't know if this has been posted anywhere else, I looked but... We all know how that goes. Disclaimer: This is based 100% off personal experience, I tried everywhere to find a better way to buy it, and trial and error got ME here. So don't steal my stuff eh? ~Note: If you can link me to somewhere that already has this I'll give them credit, but I really figured this out myself.~
Tested on 2 upgrades on my personal family plans.
So we know that you have to be on the "Even more" type plans to get a discount, or even be eligible for one right? (Well now you do) So what to do for those of us who have been with T-mobile for years, and are eligible for an upgrade, but we have a different type of plan (this workaround is ONLY tested with family plan).
So Here is what you do:
~Give T-Mobile a call and ask them to change your plan to an Even more (any one of the eligible ones) at the END of your billing period.
-Basically what this does is put an "activator" (their word not mine) on your plan which will switch your plan to the even more when your account month is up, this doesn't change any info yet!
~Log onto Google, and buy your phone! As soon as they put the activator on in their system Google's system registers it and you become eligible for the upgrade discount. ($279)
~Give T-Mobile another call before the end of your billing period, so basically before the activator changes your plan, and cancel that activator. Everything on your current plan will remain intact, and Google doesn't charge a cancellation fee. (Havent yet =>) I recommend doing this after you've received your phone or when you can see it is shipping. Just in case.
If you have any questions feel free to ask, but this worked for me! 2x! Woot loop hole! Besides it was time I gave back to XDA. If you wanna donate.. I haven't figured out how that works so what ever...
1/26:Still no fee so... Yep!
Just to be safe I want to make it clear this is a short term result so far and you should always talk to T-Mobile before changing anything!
Google hasn't charged the ERF yet... How can you be sure that they won't? They have 120 days to do it...
flamerider88 said:
So... Everyone is still getting screwed by Google 'eh? How about that $279 that basically no one can get because we are all on family plans... Well THERE IS A WAY AROUND THIS! >.> <.< Quick before Google catches on, buy yours.
Now that the fun is out of the way =) I don't know if this has been posted anywhere else, I looked but... We all know how that goes. Disclaimer: This is based 100% off personal experience, I tried everywhere to find a better way to buy it, and trial and error got ME here. So don't steal my stuff eh? ~Note: If you can link me to somewhere that already has this I'll give them credit, but I really figured this out myself.~
Tested on 2 upgrades on my personal family plans.
So we know that you have to be on the "Even more" type plans to get a discount, or even be eligible for one right? (Well now you do) So what to do for those of us who have been with T-mobile for years, and are eligible for an upgrade, but we have a different type of plan (this workaround is ONLY tested with family plan).
So Here is what you do:
~Give T-Mobile a call and ask them to change your plan to an Even more (any one of the eligible ones) at the END of your billing period.
-Basically what this does is put an "activator" (their word not mine) on your plan which will switch your plan to the even more when your account month is up, this doesn't change any info yet!
~Log onto Google, and buy your phone! As soon as they put the activator on in their system Google's system registers it and you become eligible for the upgrade discount. ($279)
~Give T-Mobile another call before the end of your billing period, so basically before the activator changes your plan, and cancel that activator. Everything on your current plan will remain intact, and Google doesn't charge a cancellation fee. (Havent yet =>) I recommend doing this after you've received your phone or when you can see it is shipping. Just in case.
If you have any questions feel free to ask, but this worked for me! 2x! Woot loop hole! Besides it was time I gave back to XDA. If you wanna donate.. I haven't figured out how that works so what ever...
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This would have been good info to have prior to my struggles with the process. In the end, though, I am glad to have bought it unsubsidized. Good catch though.
I think it's still too early to speculate that you won't get charged an ETF. There is still plenty of time for google/tmobile to charge you the fee and/or locate and charge people using this loophole. All they would have to do is check the # that was upgraded and check with tmobile at the end of a billing cycle and see if it is still on the supported plan.
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Google hasn't charged the ERF yet... How can you be sure that they won't? They have 120 days to do it...
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It was just a "so far" when I was figuring this out with T-Mobile 2 reps. Said they wouldn't. And one said they might so idk. They haven't yet
flamerider88 said:
So... Everyone is still getting screwed by Google 'eh? How about that $279 that basically no one can get because we are all on family plans... Well THERE IS A WAY AROUND THIS! >.> <.< Quick before Google catches on, buy yours.
Now that the fun is out of the way =) I don't know if this has been posted anywhere else, I looked but... We all know how that goes. Disclaimer: This is based 100% off personal experience, I tried everywhere to find a better way to buy it, and trial and error got ME here. So don't steal my stuff eh? ~Note: If you can link me to somewhere that already has this I'll give them credit, but I really figured this out myself.~
Tested on 2 upgrades on my personal family plans.
So we know that you have to be on the "Even more" type plans to get a discount, or even be eligible for one right? (Well now you do) So what to do for those of us who have been with T-mobile for years, and are eligible for an upgrade, but we have a different type of plan (this workaround is ONLY tested with family plan).
So Here is what you do:
~Give T-Mobile a call and ask them to change your plan to an Even more (any one of the eligible ones) at the END of your billing period.
-Basically what this does is put an "activator" (their word not mine) on your plan which will switch your plan to the even more when your account month is up, this doesn't change any info yet!
~Log onto Google, and buy your phone! As soon as they put the activator on in their system Google's system registers it and you become eligible for the upgrade discount. ($279)
~Give T-Mobile another call before the end of your billing period, so basically before the activator changes your plan, and cancel that activator. Everything on your current plan will remain intact, and Google doesn't charge a cancellation fee. (Havent yet =>) I recommend doing this after you've received your phone or when you can see it is shipping. Just in case.
If you have any questions feel free to ask, but this worked for me! 2x! Woot loop hole! Besides it was time I gave back to XDA. If you wanna donate.. I haven't figured out how that works so what ever...
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..So if my billing cycle ends on the 31st, i call ....??????...When??? thanks
Ignore Hah.. double post sorry
Good question Oklahoma you can call when ever you want as long as u call back BEFORE the end of ur cycle.. u could do it the day of it you wanted I wouldn't risk that though
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It was just a "so far" when I was figuring this out with T-Mobile 2 reps. Said they wouldn't. And one said they might so idk. They haven't yet
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So you're making what appear to be definitive claims, without actually knowing if you're right in the long term. You're only right "so far"? Isn't it irresponsible of you, considering that people may rely on your conjecture and end up being charged $350 as a result?
2 Reps said it shouldn't void the terms of sale... so if I get screwed ill let you guys know but if it doesn't work I would have at least liked to know about it... call them yourself to verify!
I'd probably suggest putting a disclaimer on your first post saying that only so far you haven't been charged, and it is possible you may be in the future. To prevent other people from just blindly following your suggestions.
Haha its in 2nd post
I don't want to start a new thread for something this remedial, and the answer might be good to add to the guide...
The FedEx overnight shipping is awesome! Do you have to be home for delivery though? ie, do you have to sign for it, or is it such that you can leave a note asking that they leave it in your mailbox type thing? My purchase date will be affected by this, and I am sure others will be as well.
I honestly don't know might ask I know mine had to be signed for
Someone has to sign for the phone. No way around it.
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Someone has to sign for the phone. No way around it.
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I had a feeling it would be that way... wonder if I should set the shipping address as my work then? That would guarantee it would get signed for, they also get delivered to around 11AM instead of 4PM(FedEx always comes around 4PM to my place)... and seeing that I work 5 days a week, and live 2 blocks away, doesn't seem like a bad idea.
pjcforpres said:
I had a feeling it would be that way... wonder if I should set the shipping address as my work then? That would guarantee it would get signed for, they also get delivered to around 11AM instead of 4PM(FedEx always comes around 4PM to my place)... and seeing that I work 5 days a week, and live 2 blocks away, doesn't seem like a bad idea.
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Yeah, you can do that... just make sure you call your credit card company and let them know what you're doing and to expect a charge for the amount you get quoted by Google as soon as you place your order. The credit card company can hold up the transaction for an extra day or two to investigate since the shipping address and billing address will be different. It happened to me (had the phone shipped to my sister's place in Chicago where I was visiting when the N1 was released).
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2 Reps said it shouldn't void the terms of sale... so if I get screwed ill let you guys know but if it doesn't work I would have at least liked to know about it... call them yourself to verify!
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I talked to 3 reps, only one was aware that this could be done. I guess i'll wait and see.
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I talked to 3 reps, only one was aware that this could be done. I guess i'll wait and see.
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Wait and see? Does this mean you are trying it? And if u r post your results too please so I have extra verification
Although the phone is fantastic this is more about their service. I purchased 2 lines yesterday at costco and due to a glitch in their system on the reps end that was helping me they were see me as a standard account, and from tmobiles end they were seeing me as a flex account. Well, Tmobile went ahead and created the account as flex pay, which is not something you want to be a part of if you are going to attempt to get a corporate discount. Also I had ported my lines over from sprint so I could not just port my numbers back over to sprint and receive a new phone discount again if Tmobile did not fix this. I would have been stuck on their flex pay for 6 months missing out on 20% discount on the bill.
I called the store to let them know what was going on and they said that was not what their end was showing them and for me to come down and they would resolve the issue. I was at the store 1 hour past closing time. The last I heard was from the tmobile rep on the phone stating that my account would be migrated from flex to post pay by 6am this morning. At that point I felt it was safe to return my evo's and finish canceling the sprint account. I called back this morning at 6:30 am to verify the issue had been resolved. Well to my surprise it hadn't and I spent the next 2.5 hours talking to people telling me it was impossible due to a past due account I had back in 2003, which I don't remember ever having tmobile. After arguing back and forth with supervisors, managers and CSR's about how this was not my account which they eventually figured out but still said I would have to cancel my account and reopen it losing my numbers I have had for 10 years I finally got one that brought the tmobile rep from the store on the line. I was put on hold while they talked and 45 minutes later my account is being fixed and my corp discount is being applied. Even though some of the reps were unwilling or unable to help me or tell me that its impossible for them to do anything I finally found one who took charge of the issue and got it resolved for me. Incredible service, even though it may have taken 4 hours to handle the issue, it was at least handled 100% to my satisfaction.
I have to agree that T-Mobile Customer service is amazing. They have some of the best CS I have seen.
Just like any other company you have to work a little to get the more difficult issues handled but my experience has always been stellar with them overall!
yeah - like i did on that bing cashback rebate program
they are normally tops, but sometimes they can be frustrating (but at least you've got a human on the phone frustrating you, not the electronic menus at sprint)
but as a last resort, what worked for me on the bing thing, someone else had mentioned in another thread, i called into 611 and after indicating "english", just said "cancel", maybe two times - got to a "customer loyalty account specialist" that when he asked why i wanted to cancel i gave him a small glimpse of the "who's on first, what's on second" exchanges i'd been having over the bing thing
he actually took the time, went to bing, signed up for an acct, saw what i was talking about, AND found a supervisor to approve the damn rebate
just remember that "cancel" thing - it may prove useful
I agree, T-Mobile has very good customer service. It's one of the main reasons I'm still their customer since I almost went over to AT&T when I was lusting for an Iphone. At the time I was thinking of switching the MT3G came out and I was somewhat happy with it, but now that I have the Vibrant, I am fully satisfied. T-Mobile let me upgrade from my MT3G to the Vibrant (fully subsidized [$249.99 -$50 rebate]) even though I had only had the MT3G for a year.
Due to bad customer service experiences i strictly do business with T-mobile corp locations or via 611. I recently went to t-mobile authorized dealer to get a new sim card for my g1 and after the rep screwed around for a while on the computer to activate it, i waited about 2 hour w/ no service and called T-Mobile's 800 number and the rep was very courteous and told me that the store never activated the sim. the phone rep took about 1/4 the time the authorized rep did to activate the card and it worked instantly. This was not my first bad encounter with non-tmo direct but will be my last i made the decision to never use a non-tmo store unless i absolutly have to.
I have been with T-Mobile since 2004 and can say that T-Mobile has the better service of all the carriers, but it has degraded recently, in the past year.
In particular I experienced what you did, there's many T-Mobile CSRs who are incompetent and they are thus unable and unwilling to help solve your problems. It takes a few calls to get to the right person who knows what they are doing and who is willing to fix things.
Example, one time they overcharged me $120. I called and the CSR was rude and said I simply did not know how to read the bill. I had to ask for a supervisor who initially sided with the employee. After 15 minutes the supervisor too finally saw that I was in fact overcharged. She said I would get a credit.
Three months later, no credit. Called and the CSR said "Let me fix that, I have entered the credit."
Another three billing periods, no credit.
I call a third time, the person said this was all wrong. I heard a few key taps and the credit showed up on my online account instantly.
So six months and a lot of calls/labor to get a credit.
From my experience (and yours) you cannot assume anything. The key is to ALWAYS wait a month after making changes and then call to see that things were done (like I just called to make sure the insurance on my HD2 was transferred my new Vibrant).
Also keep records of everything (albeit unless you record phone calls, illegal in many states, it's still always going to be your word against T-Mobile's). That's why I like to do as much as I can online so I can get screen captures.
Bonus Tip: When push comes to shove and T-Mobile says "That cannot be done" or whatever, then tell them to cancel the account. They are then required to put your through to the retentions dept.
Retentions can do absolutely ANYTHING to save the account. They even give people free phones to prevent them from walking (assuming you are in the right, of course).
So if a CSR or supervisor gives you a hard time, tell them to cancel the account and then calmly explain the problem with retentions. (And say it's a matter of principle, that's why you are canceling the account.) Eventually they say "So if we can fix this problem will you stay with T-Mobile?"
I have been in CSR hell with Tmobile for the past few days. Their store screwed up my account, so I was not able to jump on the $99 Vibrant deal at Costco, AFTER I had returned my Vibrant, so I could take advantage of the Costco price. (this was also AFTER contacting Tmobile to see if they would match the Costco price). So, I am back to my G1, I lost all my time setting up my Vibrant... and the best I have gotten, is they will research my issue and call back within 72 business hours... so, up to 9 days waiting?
I am almost certain to go to the Vzn Fascinate with this whole fiasco going on. I like the price of Tmo... but I hate being jacked around. Every time I have had a problem in the past year... it has been a major FIGHT to get it fixed. I am tired ofi t.
I was wondering if i were to bill this phone to my account would i have to pay it in full the next month or could i go maybe three months paying it off in installments
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I was wondering if i were to bill this phone to my account would i have to pay it in full the next month or could i go maybe three months paying it off in installments
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You can set it up to pay in installments but it depends if you're even eligible to get a phone billed to your account. Some accounts are not eligible at all (depends on credit) and some with a spending limit must be with Sprint for 18 months without outstanding payments to become eligible. While customers with good credit or long standing Sprint customers have no problems at all.
Most areas will NOT allow you to bill this or the EVO to your account because the phone is in such high demand, and people just aren't paying for it and going into collections. Sad but true.
I have had three phones billed to my account but I always paid in full the following month since I'm not due for a upgrade and the phones $500 I would rather pay installments than that big chunk of money thanks for the help
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entropism said:
Most areas will NOT allow you to bill this or the EVO to your account because the phone is in such high demand, and people just aren't paying for it and going into collections. Sad but true.
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No store can decline billing a phone to an account, so if you were told no, you need to report that store/manager.
Actually, you're incorrect there. The ability to bill to an account is based on the credit code that is assigned to the account at the time of creating it. This credit code is based on previous credit history. If you have a spending limit at all, you won't be eligible for it. If your credit improves and you have good payment history on your account, you may be able to have the finance department see if they can adjust your credit code, though they may have changed that.
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keebler021 said:
Actually, you're incorrect there. The ability to bill to an account is based on the credit code that is assigned to the account at the time of creating it. This credit code is based on previous credit history. If you have a spending limit at all, you won't be eligible for it. If your credit improves and you have good payment history on your account, you may be able to have the finance department see if they can adjust your credit code, though they may have changed that.
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You're also wrong. It's based off your credit score when you first open an acct. After 18 month of service and 12 month of no late payments it can be removed. Manual credit (not finance) CAN remove it under very special circumstances if you do not meet the 18/12 rule. Some spending limit accounts DO allow billing to account, though extremely rare and believe it or not there are a ton of non-spending limit accounts that do not allow billing to account. All accounts under 90 days are considered no billable as well.
I was referring to a store declining billing to account because of the phones "high demand" just like the customer who called me a few days ago saying he was declined because the phone is in such high demand that they will only sell to local area codes. Completely false and illegal to be honest.
Actually it occurs to me that you probably meant that a store couldnt deny bill to account just because of the modelof phone. Sorry about that. You're right there
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Actually it occurs to me that you probably meant that a store couldnt deny bill to account just because of the modelof phone. Sorry about that. You're right there
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Oh sorry about that then. Finance, credit department. Whichever. Either way, I wasn't sure if that could still be done. Apparently it can. Good to know.
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Oh sorry about that then. Finance, credit department. Whichever. Either way, I wasn't sure if that could still be done. Apparently it can. Good to know.
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Yeah I get them done all the time, generally the basic rule is, you can have a few late payments, maybe 5 or 6 but no hotlines/suspensions and they will remove the ASL from the account... of course a lot more goes into it, payments vs adjustments, acct tenure, number of lines, etc.
Also, it will be fully charged to your account if your account can be billed. I've yet to see an account that is partially charged for multiple months to make the total price up. The best way to do this to give yourself the most time to pay it off is the day of or the day after your billing cycle starts (mines the 13th, so 13th or 14th for me) so you have a full month, plus the time to process the bill, plus the time until its due, plus the automatic 10 day grace period after the due date that you get without any late payment penalties, which will add up to almost 2 full months.
I did a bta with one of my previous phones and had bta a bunch of accessories too. About a week or two after the bill was past due, the finance dept called and started leaning on me hard. I told them that I was going through some financial tough times with the car being repaired recently and trying to get the cell bill up to date. They didn't care. That pissed me off royally.
I tore into the girl on the phone and told her to look up in her records for how long I've been a sprint customer. I've been with them for over thirteen years and you are treating me like a deadbeat scumbag? They said we need xxx amount paid in like two or three days or it will go to the collections department. I was irate!
I told her I would pay what I can, when I can and it's impossible for me to pay that amount in that short of time. She asked if I could borrow the money from someone. At this point, she was just throwing more gas on the fire with me.
I told her that she could do whatever she wants, that I don't care anymore. If you want to turn this into collections, go right ahead because you WILL lose me as a customer! I told her if she wanted to turn my phone off right then, to go ahead and save the trouble of doing it in a few days.
Does that answer your question about if they will "finance" or let you make payments?
If they let you bill to account, ask yourself if you know for a fact that you can pay your monthly bill plus the cost of the phone in thirty days or less (no sweat), then go for it. If not, save up for it and buy it when you have the money in hand.
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I did a bta with one of my previous phones and had bta a bunch of accessories too. About a week or two after the bill was past due, the finance dept called and started leaning on me hard. I told them that I was going through some financial tough times with the car being repaired recently and trying to get the cell bill up to date. They didn't care. That pissed me off royally.
I tore into the girl on the phone and told her to look up in her records for how long I've been a sprint customer. I've been with them for over thirteen years and you are treating me like a deadbeat scumbag? They said we need xxx amount paid in like two or three days or it will go to the collections department. I was irate!
I told her I would pay what I can, when I can and it's impossible for me to pay that amount in that short of time. She asked if I could borrow the money from someone. At this point, she was just throwing more gas on the fire with me.
I told her that she could do whatever she wants, that I don't care anymore. If you want to turn this into collections, go right ahead because you WILL lose me as a customer! I told her if she wanted to turn my phone off right then, to go ahead and save the trouble of doing it in a few days.
Does that answer your question about if they will "finance" or let you make payments?
If they let you bill to account, ask yourself if you know for a fact that you can pay your monthly bill plus the cost of the phone in thirty days or less (no sweat), then go for it. If not, save up for it and buy it when you have the money in hand.
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Yes... because it was her fault that you're going through financial issues and car issues but you decided to buy a new phone... smart one on your part eh? I'll tell you the same thing I tell everybody, this is a "FOR PROFIT" business, pay your bill you get service, you don't pay your bill, your service get's shut off, it's as simple as that. They did allow you to do a payment arrangement, however you just did not agree with the terms. Next time you're having financial issues, spend $50 on a ****ty phone instead of $200 on a device you can't afford. (Don't take this personally)
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I did a bta with one of my previous phones and had bta a bunch of accessories too. About a week or two after the bill was past due, the finance dept called and started leaning on me hard. I told them that I was going through some financial tough times with the car being repaired recently and trying to get the cell bill up to date. They didn't care. That pissed me off royally.
I tore into the girl on the phone and told her to look up in her records for how long I've been a sprint customer. I've been with them for over thirteen years and you are treating me like a deadbeat scumbag? They said we need xxx amount paid in like two or three days or it will go to the collections department. I was irate!
I told her I would pay what I can, when I can and it's impossible for me to pay that amount in that short of time. She asked if I could borrow the money from someone. At this point, she was just throwing more gas on the fire with me.
I told her that she could do whatever she wants, that I don't care anymore. If you want to turn this into collections, go right ahead because you WILL lose me as a customer! I told her if she wanted to turn my phone off right then, to go ahead and save the trouble of doing it in a few days.
Does that answer your question about if they will "finance" or let you make payments?
If they let you bill to account, ask yourself if you know for a fact that you can pay your monthly bill plus the cost of the phone in thirty days or less (no sweat), then go for it. If not, save up for it and buy it when you have the money in hand.
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I have to say my experience was different, I put a Moment on my account about a year ago and asked if it was ok if I paid half this month and half the next they had no problems as long as my call bill was kept up to date they could put a note on the account. Paid my phone bill in full + half the Moment then next month paid the bill again with the second half and never had an issue. Then again I never went delinquent with the primary contract that might be the difference maybe.
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All accounts under 90 days are considered no billable as well.
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Is that a hard limit? Even if I qualified for 5 lines with no deposit and no spending limit and my account is in good standing?
Not sure about the 18 month thing. I have only been with Sprint since last November, and have been billing to my account since day 91. Pre, hero, and the evo. No problems. I'm also eligible for up to 10 lines, so don't know what kind of credit code I have.
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Is that a hard limit? Even if I qualified for 5 lines with no deposit and no spending limit and my account is in good standing?
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Yes, all accounts within their first 90 days can not have anything billed.
So, just to clarify - if I'm a new customer, switching to Sprint for the Epic, I wouldn't be able to bill it to my account, correct?
Yepthat would be correct
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Xoom coming to sprint tomorrow still $599. I don't know if I am just easy out of the loop on this or what and a google search told me nothing. But I went into my sprint store today and they told me that the xoom is launching tomorrow. They even offered to let mar have one today but I'm not interested. Just thought I would let you guys know if you didn't already. Like I said couldn't find out on google.
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Xoom coming to sprint tomorrow still $599. I don't know if I am just easy out of the loop on this or what and a google search told me nothing. But I went into my sprint store today and they told me that the xoom is launching tomorrow. They even offered to let mar have one today but I'm not interested. Just thought I would let you guys know if you didn't already. Like I said couldn't find out on google.
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Xoom wifi is being sold in stores.
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It was available on the store officially 5/8, I ordered mine last night, can't wait!!! Love that I can charge it to my account and pay it off on my own time.
trhonda2000 said:
It was available on the store officially 5/8, I ordered mine last night, can't wait!!! Love that I can charge it to my account and pay it off on my own time.
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trhonda2000 said:
It was available on the store officially 5/8, I ordered mine last night, can't wait!!! Love that I can charge it to my account and pay it off on my own time.
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How do you do that. I would jump on this if I could do that.
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Wouldn't you have to pay it off on the next bill? I don't like charging stuff to my account because I'd rather pay for it in full. I didn't know you can essentially finance equipment.
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Wouldn't you have to pay it off on the next bill?
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That is the way it has always worked with my account...
Just make sure you dont get caught up dude @ the guy who said he would pay it off at his own pace.
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the xoom was released on sunday. i ordered one and have it now. none of the stores had it in stock.. perhaps tomorrow they will. i sold my 3G version....
and yes you can charge equipment to your account.
I'm a girl btw, and I was told by the Sprint collections department that you do not have to pay it off in full the next billing cycle, that there is no time limit as long as they see you are paying on it, so we will see.
EDIT TO ADD: I was told that I had no limit on my account, not sure if that has anything to do with it. I know Sprint implements "spending limits" to some customers and some have no limit, so not sure if this has anything to do with it.
Too bad they don't have a 3/4G version available. Would love to add it to my unlimited plan.
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I'm a girl btw, and I was told by the Sprint collections department that you do not have to pay it off in full the next billing cycle, that there is no time limit as long as they see you are paying on it, so we will see.
EDIT TO ADD: I was told that I had no limit on my account, not sure if that has anything to do with it. I know Sprint implements "spending limits" to some customers and some have no limit, so not sure if this has anything to do with it.
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That's the most insane thing I've heard in a while. I've never heard of anyone doing this. So you're going to float your bill and pay fees and other penalties until you can afford to pay it off? If you have even a slightly good credit rating you could get a $600 credit card with 0% for a year probably...
i added a couple of mobile phones several years ago to my account--not at the same time but one was one year and then a year later or so..
anyway, i paid the mobile handset off across 2 billing cycles at least (phone was like 600 ish then) and had no fees or extra costs.
the main thing was paying your wireless bill on time.
home girl's case may be solid and unique to her case so i am inclined to believe her based on my past experience.
you must not have any limits or ASL on your account and be in good standing with no past due balance. im sure you may know this...
From what I was told purchasing "equipment" doesn't incur fees, only your service bill does. I will still pay my service bill on time but the equipment I charged will be paid off in payments. After searching online I too am seeing conflicting information regarding this, so now I'm slightly leary. Worst case scenario I will be sending it back if what I was told was false.
Yeah I've been with Sprint for like 7 years since I was in high school. I don't have a spending limit on my account and pay my bill in full every month and never had one late payment. I don't like to bill to my account but to each is own.
I prefer to just pay it in full just be to be on safe side of things. Good luck with your purchase though but just make sure you call to verify the payment plan options because it's harder to get things fixed when they are screwed up.
I'm only saying to call because every time I call Sprint I get conflicting information and nobody seems to know what they are doing. Also if you want to check your Sprint Credit Worthiness log into your Sprint account then delete the address bar and replace it with this:
javascript:function getYesNo(s){if(s=='Y') {return 'Yes';}else{return 'No';}};alert("Your Hidden Stats:\n\nSprint Financial Value: "+loyaltyAccVal+" of 10 (higher is better)\nCredit Class: "+creditClass+"\nAccount Spending Limit: "+getYesNo(aslFlag)+"\nHotlined Account: "+getYesNo(hotlineFlag));
and hit enter. A box will pop up and that will show you. I believe it would be correlated to the results if they will allow you to bill to your account.
Mines shows:
Sprint Financial Value: 7 out of 10
Credit Class: G1
Account Spending Limit: No
Hotlined: No
Well I've gotten conflicting info when calling. When I speak to sales they have no idea and put me on hold to find out and then tell me it has to be paid in full after speaking with the "collections department", when I spoke to someone in billing I was told that it doesn't have to be paid in full and many customers have "made payments" on purchases billed to their account. I would love to pay for it in full but I can't shell out $600 at once so that's why this option appealed to me, if it turns out that's not the case as I stated before I will give them hell and worst case scenario return the equipment.
Yeah just looking out for you. I always call multiple times and ask for a manager because there are a bunch of nifnards working for Sprint.
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Yeah just looking out for you. I always call multiple times and ask for a manager because there are a bunch of nifnards working for Sprint.
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LOL isn't that the truth! Its going to really piss me off if that's not how it works for my account as I was really looking forward to getting the Xoom and accessories I ordered. I hate calling there because I can never get a straight answer about anything, and the order is already out for delivery so too late to cancel if that's true, I will truly give them hell if I was given false information.
there is no pay plan. they give you about 2 bill cycles which is plenty. if you need more time, make sure you are showing good faith--by paying your wireless bill and also paid a good portion of yourequipment--this gives you good favor with the account rep and they may be more inclined to help.
we all want to pay our balances off at once--however sprint extends this as a courtesy to their good customers. if you know you can afford the device you can maximize your purchasing power in a short time period.
I did call accounting services again to confirm my initial answer towards this. I was told there is no official "payment plan" per say, however they do not "require" you to pay the equipment off the following billing cycle. He did mention as long as you are paying your cell bill and making payments towards the balance there should be no problems, however he recommended that its paid off in a "timely manner". So yep, basically what the poster above me said. We shall see...
I need to share my story in the hopes of preventing anyone else from going through the same ordeal.
AT&T is the absolutely worst carrier on the planet. Absolute worst! In the process of switching and evaluating carriers I signed up with ATT. I had them for 4 days and I had more dropped calls in 4 days with ATT than I had in 5 years with Sprint and 2 years with T-Mobile. I barely had the service for 2 days before they sent me a bill (they are quick to do that for sure), which they already screwed up charging me for services I did not order.
Upon calling them, they told me I had to go back to the AT&T store to resolve my issue. I did just that, they admitted their mistake and said the corrections should be on my account in 24 hours. 2 days later my account was the same and I was once again redirected to the store. I had enough! Within 5 days I returned the phone, and cancelled my service. That should've been the end of it, but no, a month later I get a whopping $492 bill from AT&T. They were charging me an early termination fee even though I had 30 days to cancel and I canceled within 4 days!! I spend hours, hours on the phone getting the run-around, getting transferred from one person to the next, having to explain my problem over again to each agent and each "manager", before I got my charges dropped (supposedly, I still expect to receive a bill from them because they are THAT incompetent).
Avoid AT&T like the plague! They are the absolute WORST!
If you are still having problems getting the ETF waived, contact the consumerist. (consumerist.com).
Read their help site on how to create and E.E.C.B. first (Executive Email Carpet Bomb for those non-consumerist readers).
Dude, that sucks that you had to go through all that ****. I'm having a pleasant experience with them so far since I signed with them back in April 2011. You should definitely fight them about that ETF bull****. You're within that 30 day window. No F'ing way you should pay that ETF. And on top of that, they should charge for things that you used like data and minutes if anything. Not the potiential amount i.e. 900 min plan but only used 100 minutes.
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If you are still having problems getting the ETF waived, contact the consumerist. (consumerist.com).
Read their help site on how to create and E.E.C.B. first (Executive Email Carpet Bomb for those non-consumerist readers).
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That's nothing, with Verizon in the Omnia II days I walked in, grabbed a phone, signed up, and while still in the store I opened the box. The screen was split in 2. I walked it back to the rep I had just spoken with and he told me that I'd have to pay the full asking price of the phone because the break was not there when he'd activated it.
With sprint, I had a ppc6800 that I loved. They released an update that caused the phone to be unstable and when I went back gave me some touchscreen Samsung dumbphone. They refused to give me dubphone data back but said they couldn't upgrade me to another smartphone and the ppc6800 had cycled out. One of the reps flat out called me stupid for preferring my ppc6800 because the Samsung had new capacitive touchscreen technology.
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Better than it was...
I switched to Big Mamma eight years ago to get the RAZR phone. Service sucked and pricing was ridiculous, so I canceled and went back to T-Mobile. Last year I decided that it wasn't doing me any good to stay with TMo since their phone upgrade options were weak and contract pricing wasn't any better. Also, my partner and our best friends have a family plan w/ATT, so switching onto that and getting a new shiny ear-toaster would still be a savings over what I was giving TMo. So, I got my Infuse and got on the plan. I'm happy with it. Service is good, I haven't had to deal with customer service, and the price is right.
How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
Dude I would have filed a report with the better business beru that is bull. I hope everything turns out for the best
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I had att and the dreaded iPhone for nine months. People would stand next to me and call me just to make fun of how my phone would never ring. I'd miss over 50% of my calls here in DC due to my phone never ringing. Couldn't do anything about it with that nice contractual obligation tho. Good times.
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How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
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File with the FCC. That WILL get their attention.
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entropism said:
How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
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Probably the absolute worst carrier horror story I have ever heard....
That's granted I use to work customer service for at&t.
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I think vodaphone Australia is worse. Reception sucks and sometimes messages sent are few days late.
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entropism said:
How's this one for you:
Signed up with AT&T in September, bringing my own device (an Infuse) so I could upgrade at any time. Added a work discount, so a contract is involved.
October 2nd, I get my girl an iphone 4s (contract free) and we convert to a family plan. Due to the nature of our numbers, we have to convert our individual accounts to a corporate account, then convert that to a family plan. Keep this in mind...
October 10th, work discount still not applied, now they're telling me that when they reapplied my discount, they lost my upgrade, so they're going to reset everything. Also was triple billed, so they gave me about $300 in credits to bring me down to normal levels.
November 6th, work discount STILL not applied, they lost both of our upgrades now. 4 hours of calling gets things fixed (so I thought).
December 5th, work discount STILL not applied, so I call up. Upgrade for my girlfriend's line restored, but mine is "lost forever". Retentions "manager" tells me I can either lose my upgrade or he'll send me any device that isn't apple to me for free, and overnight it to me. I choose the white Skyrocket, but the point of having my upgrade was to eventually get the Nexus. I'm not happy. Overnighted phone takes 5 days to get to me, during which I have no phone.
December 13th, call to complain. Work discount FINALLY applied, tons of credits given to me to make up for the inconvenience. Retentions manager gives me a permanent $10 credit to give me a free third line, so I have another permanent upgrade. I'm relatively satisfied at this point. Due to the amount of credits on my account, my balance is NEGATIVE $9.
December 20th, I get a call from COLLECTIONS saying that I owe $600 to AT&T due to 4 months of unpaid bills. Seems like when they converted us from consumer to corporate to consumer again, they NEVER CANCELLED THE INDIVIDUAL LINES. I have to call in to AT&T and spend 3 more hours clearing this up.
January 4th, my 30 days with the Skyrocket is almost up and I get MAYBE 4 hours of battery life, along with a horribly splotchy screen. I call to have it replaced under the 30 day return period. Retentions tells me I have to pay a $35 restocking fee. I explain that this is a mistake, and that I'm a former employee and specifically state the return policy to them. I'm told to hold while she asks her supervisor to waive my fee. 10 minutes later, it gets interesting...
I get transferred to the FRAUD department, and a supervisor, "Mr. Lopez" tells me that my account is frozen due to fraud. I'm told I can't return my phone, I can't upgrade, can't cancel, can't due anything. If I need to replace my device I need to pay FULL RETAIL and then I'll get my money back once they receive my device. Being a former employee, this also includes at least a month wait after they get the device back in stock. I ask him to tell me WHY I'm in for fraud, and he refuses, calling me a liar, a thief, and starts getting quite loud. I hang up, and he calls back. His callback number is to the call center 30 minutes from my house, and I explain to him that if he doesn't explain why I'm in for fraud, I'll drive to his call center and speak to his supervisors. He hangs up on me. My account is now locked, and I can't do ANYTHING.
I call back and speak to another call center's fraud center dept, and they patiently listen to my story and confirm that I had no reason to be flagged for fraud. They tell me to go to the store and return my device, and credit me $35 just in case they charge me a restocking fee. As of right now I've filed a report against "Mr Lopez" which turns out isn't his real name. They had to go through the notes and found his codes, so hopefully he gets let go for this. The behavior used was absolutely inexcusable.
So yeah, I'm now stuck with a phone I don't want, but hopefully everything is fixed. My girl doesn't want to leave AT&T, and her mother is using the third line, so it would be a huge inconvenience to take off for Verizon or T-Mobile. I'm hoping this gets resolved once & for all.
TLDR version - AT&T bent me over and broke out the sandpaper condom.
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Since you're a former employee.. i'm surprised you didn't know it takes ~2 billing cycles for the discount to be applied.
I'm not talking about the discount monetarily but the actual account having the classification attached, which should take a few weeks tops.
Every carrier in North America sucks.
AT&T mangles the hell out of their Android phones to keep Apple happy
Verizon has a long history of mangling phones even worse than AT&T's, they're the first carrier to get a Google developer phone (Galaxy Nexus) and piss off Google so badly that the device's developer phone status was revoked.
T-Mobile is useless - Their coverage is awful, and things are so bad that putting a T-Mobile SIM into any device within 15 miles of where I work/live causes that device's IMEI to be blacklisted for 10-20 minutes, even after putting an AT&T SIM back in. While their "bring your own device" plans (discounts on the plan for not having a contract subsidy on the phone) are good on paper, they're kind of pointless considering that with the exception of the GSM Galaxy Nexus, only phones sold by T-Mobile support the 1700 MHz AWS band.
Sprint has slightly better coverage than T-Mo, but has oddball radio technology leading to the most wildly inconsistent phones possible. The SPH-D710 (Galaxy S II) is undoubtedly the worst Samsung Exynos-based handset on the planet thanks to Samsung having to stuff the phone full of oddball radio hardware not used anywhere else on this planet.
I had several problems with atnt, mostly over billing, we worked an agreement that the billing would be on the fifth of the months but some how it was set to be on the 23, I get a late fee and when I explain and show them the paper work, I was told that they do not honor those request so, I end up buying out of a contract and jail-braking and unlocking my iPhone to use the t-mobile network. I have had no problems ever with t-mobile. Just got a android phone loving it much better than my iPhone.
lol i find it so odd how its almost embedded in the American culture to have this deep personal relationship with our service providers.
Best coverage is debatable, since we all live in unique locations and travel a unique path and only need coverage to an extent. We can argue the ranks and who's service provider is superior but its all moot. Every company has millions of customers and that equates to billions of different experiences and i am sure every company, even the one you keep dearly close to your heart, has their fair share of horror stories.
Ive also never heard of the ability to blacklist an imei in my experiences in the industry.
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lol i find it so odd how its almost embedded in the American culture to have this deep personal relationship with our service providers.
Best coverage is debatable, since we all live in unique locations and travel a unique path and only need coverage to an extent. We can argue the ranks and who's service provider is superior but its all moot. Every company has millions of customers and that equates to billions of different experiences and i am sure every company, even the one you keep dearly close to your heart, has their fair share of horror stories.
Ive also never heard of the ability to blacklist an imei in my experiences in the industry.
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Whatever you have never heard of - I can tell you, back in 2008 it happened without fail. If you put a T-Mobile SIM into an AT&T phone anywhere near where I lived, it would report "no service". If you cleanly shut down the phone, put the AT&T SIM back in, and powered it back on - still "no service" for at least 15 minutes. Prior to inserting the T-Mobile SIM, the phone would always have solid high signal strength coverage.
If you look at the coverage maps of T-Mobile and Sprint - they clearly have MUCH smaller networks than AT&T and Verizon.
I've never had any problems with ma bell, since switching to them
from sprint 3 years ago. Hopefully you get that resolved soon.
I can honestly say I have NEVER had a problem with AT&T Service or Customer Relations. Then again... I never really have talked to one of their customer reps outside of store. SO MUCH AUTOMATION