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jaggy browser experience?

So I was really looking forward to getting a galaxy tab, primarily for web browsing. Then I saw this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvCXMARtl0
What is the deal with the stuttering jaggy web browsing experience? Can someone that has a tab let me know if a third party browser can make browsing a little less, bleh?

The Galaxy Tab has Flash running in on the webpage.
Look at 0:08 on the video, you can see on the iPad that there are two bars marked "FLASH" disabled. It's suppose to have the banner for "HTC" on it.

Yeah, flash is SERIOUSLY CPU heavy. In fact that's how apple justifies not using it on any of its mobile devices. On closer inspection, there's more than just two 'FLASH' bars on the iPad, I count at least 4.
If you want it to good THAT fast then turn flash off.
On the other hand, do you look at websites by pinging back and forth on them so fast you can't read the text ? Personally, I scroll slowly down, and only move quickly infrequently when I want to 'go to top' or 'go to bottom'. If you actually read websites, the video doesn't really show off a whole lot. Its not comparing like with like, and its not comparing a real life situation, so it doesn't matter.

I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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clubtech said:
I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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Quote possibly. Samsung have been slow to release Froyo for the galaxy, so maybe the flash thing isn't just the Tab, its the architecture. Maybe they can't get the hummingbird GFX to accelerate properly.

I have a Tab since 1 week and yes...the browsing experience is really awful. it's a pain...it's slow in loading pages and VERY jaggy in scrolling.
If I think that it should be one of the best features on the Tab I'm very sad and I really hope that it will be fixed (ad least improved) soon in future releases!
By now I just can't leave my ipad for internet browsing.

It looks like both the SGS and the Tab are suffering from the same issue with the browser.
Samsung will have no choice but to fix this.

Dolphin and Opera
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).

Thank you all for your honest opinions.

patomas said:
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).
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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.

clubtech said:
Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.
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Didnt know. In practice it's really smoother though!

The webkit browser has a really annoying renderer in general. I dont understand why it needs to lower picture quality whenever you move the image around.
Just look at the way opera mini does it - much faster and better looking! Sadly its buggy and lacking in features, which is why im still using webkit.
Dolphin HD is slightly better (if only because it semi-blocks flash content by default), but it has some annoying ui elements like the giant tab bar, which can be removed but at the cost of being able to click on objects along the top edge of the display.
Ive also tried the ARM7 version of the mozilla fennec nighly builds. It just force closed on me, not even a little looksee

For me Dolphin HD is much smoother beside the fact it doesn't show flash banners where stock one does.
Both of them have been a disappointment WRT flash support.
It isn't that great for sites i visit.

If I open a new tap, I need to zoom in and out to get a picture
is this normal?

No, mine loads fine immediatley.

ftgg99 said:
No, mine loads fine immediatley.
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strange maybe this evening I'll do a HR
by the way I open the tabs not in front but in background. If I open it in front it will load

[Q] Who is happy with the 3.1 update?

I have read through all of the "issues" threads and there seems to be a lot of inconsistancy except for the gmail widget(I don't use it anyway). Has anybody had marked improvements over 3.0? Any less FC's or SOD's?
I ask because I am very happy with my Tf so far and am kind of reluctant to install.

So far everything seems basically the same. I didnt lose my widget but my gtalk application keeps saying its lost connection to the server despite it being on a known to be reliable data connection and actively surfing. Not sure if thats really 3.1 though.

Its better for me. Did not lose gmail widget; YouTube is much better; Browsing seems better. Need to play more to see what else, and validate better browsing.

The battery seems to stay longer than before (with the dock), i have charged it this afternoon till around 2pm and up till now (10:45pm) it is still at 100%, with no light flashing from the keyboard dock battery indicator.
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Yeah I should note that the youtube app plays videos well now.

I only had a few hours with 3.0 but 3.1 is nice. There are a few FC issues and that's it.

I've had a few issues with 3.1... primarily that my TF seems to randomly reboot when sleeping. Its annoying.
But, its well worth the fact that youtube runs great and browsing has been better. Primarily youtube though, old firmware youtube was absolutely embarassingly bad. I didn't want to show my friends my sweet expensive gadget that couldn't play a video

So far no bad issue.
Not sure about this gmail widget as i do recall seeing one before. But my unit want to update to 3.0.1 when I got it.
What I have noticed
1. Better browser behavior
2. more controls on browser when set to appear.
3. Video playing is much better. I watch a podcast before 3.1 I could not watch there HD videos. Know I can.

My honest opinion is that this was a step in the right direction but it better not be the last step. Though youtube app is playing better and more controls in the browser, expandable widgits are good there are still issues. There's little hitches in general from time to time and flash still doesnt seem like it plays all that well. Overall it's a good step but not the super improvement some of the reviews have stated.

Videos play slightly smoother but still not silky smooth. I've tried encoding the videos many many times with both baseline (yes even baseline) and high profile handbrake presets from another thread, but the video still lags compared to playing the same video on my desktop. Is anyone else facing the same problem or is it just me?

I still don't have the dock update which is a bit more critical in my book since I sold my laptop. Typing in the browser just stinks. I'm glad I'm a fairly accurate typist. The tablet itself seems a bit snappier. Videos play a bit smoother. I just want my typing speed.

High profile h.264 playing, smoother UI. I never got any SOD's anyway. And so few FC's that its tough to tell if that's better so soon. I'm _very_ happy.
I do still want a little more, E.G. it looks like there is mkv container support in 3.1 but the file extension isn't plumbed in for some reason. I'd also like a portrait mode for the market.

So after theupdate i figured id start freah and did a facrory reset
Ive notcied my boot up time tobe faster.
Doesnt hang on the asus logo for long anynore

I'd appreciate others adding to this thread as they install 3.1 in the coming days. I'm also 100% satisfied with my TF and don't want to start getting frustrated. I've now read reports of wi-fi dropout, random dock disconnect, decreased battery life, and random reboots after 3.1. I also use the Gmail widget a TON, so I'm a bit worried about losing that...
Thanks for the reports everyone!

video performance is far superior
hdmi support is far superior
Browser is a bit more flaky
a little concerned about the quadrant drop especially where it hags on the database test.
all in all worth it, but hopefully not the end.

I just replaced the Gmail widget with the email widget and added in my hotmail

You can get the gmail widget using muliple methods if you lost it in the update, stop being so damn lazy and look for the method and THEN complain about it.

Browser speed and inbrowser scrolling is much worse after the 3.1 update
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gottahavit said:
video performance is far superior
hdmi support is far superior
Browser is a bit more flaky
a little concerned about the quadrant drop especially where it hags on the database test.
all in all worth it, but hopefully not the end.
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In what way hdmi is supperior? It was working ok before here with the exception of too much cuts in the edges of the screen.

Does the stock music player workokay for you guys after the update? Some have said it stops when the screen is asleep. I guess it doesn't go to the next song right away.

Galaxy Tab 10.1 very nice Honeycomb not so nice.

I think samsung did an awesome job with this tablet. Its beautiful and has the specs and is the best in the market. But for some reason I don't like using honeycomb so much. Its clunky, crashes, most apps are horrible, and it is not very customizable. I know it will evolve and be great, but today is mediocre.

its the same spec on the xoom and the asus and the gslate lol

G1_enthusiast said:
its the same spec on the xoom and the asus and the gslate lol
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Not sure which specs you are referring to but i think the OP is more talking to the design of the tablet which no one can deny is the best design on the market.
As far as HC itself: i had a Xoom for a week and felt underwhelmed by honeycomb. Its not that its bad, per se, but moreso that it just didn't fulfill me. That's why i am excited to see what Samsung does with the Touchwiz UX on this device. From the previews online, it looks to improve nearly all.aspects of Honeycomb. My only concern is the performance effect of TW.
Honeycomb is fine and dandy, but its a lot of eye candy. The best example is adding Widgets. I think they overcomplicated it, on the other hand I've been on android since 1.5 so i probably have a comfort zone that HC takes me out of.
With that said, i cannot wait to get one!

ralexand said:
Not sure which specs you are referring to but i think the OP is more talking to the design of the tablet which no one can deny is the best design on the market.
As far as HC itself: i had a Xoom for a week and felt underwhelmed by honeycomb. Its not that its bad, per se, but moreso that it just didn't fulfill me. That's why i am excited to see what Samsung does with the Touchwiz UX on this device. From the previews online, it looks to improve nearly all.aspects of Honeycomb. My only concern is the performance effect of TW.
Honeycomb is fine and dandy, but its a lot of eye candy. The best example is adding Widgets. I think they overcomplicated it, on the other hand I've been on android since 1.5 so i probably have a comfort zone that HC takes me out of.
With that said, i cannot wait to get one!
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Exactly how I feel, the galaxy tab is amazing. I can't use honeycomb for more than a few days without getting bored. I wouldn't go out and buy a ipad, but its just so overcomplicated. Touchwiz could be the key, I am also interested in seeing what htc does with it.

I don't really have any issues with honeycomb and since the 3.1 update I haven't been having many crashes at all. what features do you think it's missing?
I know there aren't many apps available but for 90% of what I do with a tablet, I'm fine. Here's how I see the app situation
Great
Gmail
Maps
Youtube
Calendar
Pulse News
AccuWeather or WeatherBug for weather
Movies by Flixter
Splashtop for remote desktop - you'll have to buy this one but it works spectacularly on the tab
Good
Music
Browser
Google Books - I don't have access to paid books in canada and there's no sideloading. If I had one or both of these things, I'd say great
Kindle - UI could be a bit better but still pretty good
QuickOffice HD for word, excel, powerpoint - this is a paid app but it comes with the tab
FileManager HD for file management
Google Talk - file transfer would be nice but what's there now works quite well
Bad
Facebook
Twitter - tweetcomb works fine but they really need to update the official app
Something for wikipedia - the browser works fine but it would be nice to have a tablet optimized wikipedia app
XDA - works fine in browser
Skype - I'm super choked about the fact that micrsoft bought skype cause that means we'll never see a good skype app =[
so what else do you want? games, I guess? there are some good games already and there's more coming. So, for me, if they update the facebook app, I'll be pretty much fine with everything. Like I said, tweetcomb works fine and the browser works fine for wikipedia and xda

smaskell said:
I don't really have any issues with honeycomb and since the 3.1 update I haven't been having many crashes at all. what features do you think it's missing?
I know there aren't many apps available but for 90% of what I do with a tablet, I'm fine. Here's how I see the app situation
Great
Gmail
Maps
Youtube
Calendar
Pulse News
AccuWeather or WeatherBug for weather
Movies by Flixter
Splashtop for remote desktop - you'll have to buy this one but it works spectacularly on the tab
Good
Music
Browser
Google Books - I don't have access to paid books in canada and there's no sideloading. If I had one or both of these things, I'd say great
Kindle - UI could be a bit better but still pretty good
QuickOffice HD for word, excel, powerpoint - this is a paid app but it comes with the tab
FileManager HD for file management
Google Talk - file transfer would be nice but what's there now works quite well
Bad
Facebook
Twitter - tweetcomb works fine but they really need to update the official app
Something for wikipedia - the browser works fine but it would be nice to have a tablet optimized wikipedia app
XDA - works fine in browser
so what else do you want? games, I guess? there are some good games already and there's more coming. So, for me, if they update the facebook app, I'll be pretty much fine with everything. Like I said, tweetcomb works fine and the browser works fine for wikipedia and xda
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You forgot netflix, hulu, quality game, good news app other than pulse, skype, mine crashes at least 3 times a day while using the browser, etc.
The tab itself is the perfect weight, great screen, powerful, nice to look at.

falconeight said:
You forgot netflix, hulu, quality game, good news app other than pulse, skype, mine crashes at least 3 times a day while using the browser, etc.
The tab itself is the perfect weight, great screen, powerful, nice to look at.
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I guess you've got a point there. Canadian netflix is crippled to the point that it's basically useless and we don't even have hulu so I never considered those things. I did mean to mention skype but then I forgot. That is one I would really like but it's never going to happen now that skype is owned by microsoft.
I was having lots of issues with the browser until I got the 3.1 update but now it seems pretty good. Then again, I'm used to having things crash all the time because I'm a full time android developer. I get paid to try to make things crash so I'm so used to it now that I just click "force close" and then reopen it without even thinking about it.
as for games, I guess I have lower expectations. I'd much rather just play games on my xbox and there are a few good games for honeycomb so I'm happy with that. All the ones in tegra zone are pretty solid.

I had Asus transformer (before 3.1 upgrade) and returned it mainly due to:
- OS instability. I needed to restart the tablet every day because of unresponsive screen, etc. Could be due to transformer drivers also.
- Browser lag, esp. when browsing sites such as XDA developers
How is GT in these two aspects /w 3.1? I would love to get a new tablet, but can't be a beta tester for google after paying so much money.

anotherhawkeye said:
I had Asus transformer (before 3.1 upgrade) and returned it mainly due to:
- OS instability. I needed to restart the tablet every day because of unresponsive screen, etc. Could be due to transformer drivers also.
- Browser lag, esp. when browsing sites such as XDA developers
How is GT in these two aspects /w 3.1? I would love to get a new tablet, but can't be a beta tester for google after paying so much money.
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Seems pretty good so far. Xda is definitely much better. I'm typing this post on my galaxy tab.

No sweat. Typing used to be horrible.
How is OS stability? Were you forced to restart your tablet ever?
smaskell said:
Seems pretty good so far. Xda is definitely much better. I'm typing this post on my galaxy tab.
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smaskell said:
I guess you've got a point there. Canadian netflix is crippled to the point that it's basically useless and we don't even have hulu so I never considered those things. I did mean to mention skype but then I forgot. That is one I would really like but it's never going to happen now that skype is owned by microsoft.
I was having lots of issues with the browser until I got the 3.1 update but now it seems pretty good. Then again, I'm used to having things crash all the time because I'm a full time android developer. I get paid to try to make things crash so I'm so used to it now that I just click "force close" and then reopen it without even thinking about it.
as for games, I guess I have lower expectations. I'd much rather just play games on my xbox and there are a few good games for honeycomb so I'm happy with that. All the ones in tegra zone are pretty solid.
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The best thing is we can be subjective without jumping in eachothers arse. It will get better its just really young right now

I have been using 3.1 for over a month now and i don't have any problems with it, it runs very smooth on Xoom. No FC's, no crashes, no nothing, it just works.
I have been watching a lot of GT10.1 videos on Youtube and it doesn't seem as smooth as my Xoom. Home screen is lagging, FC's, selecting text in browser seems to be impossible, browser quick controls doest work and so on. Why is that?

poisike said:
I have been using 3.1 for over a month now and i don't have any problems with it, it runs very smooth on Xoom. No FC's, no crashes, no nothing, it just works.
I have been watching a lot of GT10.1 videos on Youtube and it doesn't seem as smooth as my Xoom. Home screen is lagging, FC's, selecting text in browser seems to be impossible, browser quick controls doest work and so on. Why is that?
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changing the cpu scaling mode seems to help responsiveness. my galaxy tab is silky smooth the majority of the time. it has the hiccough every once in a while but usually gets right back on track. I haven't really seen any FC's(that I can remember) since updating to 3.1. selecting text in the browser isn't perfect but it works just fine for me. I do miss the quick controls though.. what's up with that?
We have a xoom at work.. I should really do some comparisons at some point

falconeight said:
You forgot netflix, hulu, quality game, good news app other than pulse, skype, mine crashes at least 3 times a day while using the browser, etc.
The tab itself is the perfect weight, great screen, powerful, nice to look at.
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Try news360 for news app. Pretty good at customization and does a great job of aggregating from numerous websites about one topic

Will someone try to download a file from rapidshare or megaupload,since on Android that didnt work.
thanks.

falconeight said:
You forgot netflix, hulu, quality game, good news app other than pulse, skype, mine crashes at least 3 times a day while using the browser, etc.
The tab itself is the perfect weight, great screen, powerful, nice to look at.
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Did you update yours to 3.1?
I would have constant force closes on the browser market and keyboard but after the update I have not had any and everything is so,much s,ooother

Its quite a pain in the ass that we loyally buy the tab (10.1v) then have to still wait for the bloody update, when the new
customers get the update immediatly. On another note, get hacker keyboard, awesome kb for big screen tablets. Love the arrow keys.
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poisike said:
I have been using 3.1 for over a month now and i don't have any problems with it, it runs very smooth on Xoom. No FC's, no crashes, no nothing, it just works.
I have been watching a lot of GT10.1 videos on Youtube and it doesn't seem as smooth as my Xoom. Home screen is lagging, FC's, selecting text in browser seems to be impossible, browser quick controls doest work and so on. Why is that?
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I have a zoom and it has more force closures in the web browser than the zoom.

Its a tablet meant for entertainment, emails, app, and such. Right now honeycomb is just eye candy.

I have the Transformer and am thinking of changing over to the Galaxy Tab, mainly for the form factor. Looks to be very nice... However, I would miss the (in my mind) superior keyboard dock.
One of the things I do not like about the Transformer is the force closes on the Launcher that occur (sometimes multiple times a day) and the slow response when lifting the screen from the keyboard. It seems like it almost has to redraw the screens again.
I am guessing these are Honeycomb issues and not hardware issues.
Do any of you GTab 10.1 users experience launcher crashes or redrawing of the screens/widgets/shortcuts after not using for a couple of hours and then turning on again?
Thanks.

[Q] A500 Has Horrible PDF performance. Any solutions?

Viewing PDFs on the A500 would seem to be a proper use of the tablet and the Tegra2 processor should provide a lag-free experience but in my opinion, the ability of the A500 to display PDFs is severely lacking.
Reading just about any PDF other than those that are text only will start off good but, after reading 20 pages or so, the change to the next page will begin to lag and basically freeze or display the page in an unresolved state (blurry) until it finally pops in to focus. This can take 10-15 seconds or more sometimes.
The only solution is to reboot.
I've been reading several magazines and it happens on all of them from Maximum PC, Scientific American, etc. Note that all the magazines I read are my own personal subscriptions or are archives as provided by the vendor in PDF format so these are not warez copies.
I'm using Adobe Acrobat, Documents to Go, Quickoffice, and the LumiReader. All perform poorly so it's got to be the hardware. These PDFs display quickly on my main PC.
Does everyone see this crappy PDF performance or have a solution?

Can you upload a troublesome .PDF for others to test.

I currently use ezPDF reader (I think it was one of those 10-cent sale deals in the Market). It does great even on complicated PDFs. That being said, I've never had any problem with Docs2Go either.
One of the first things I do when I buy something that's semi-complicated/sophisticated is see if there's a manual for it in PDF format, and then I have it on my tablet for future reference. I used to do the same with my phone, and prior to that with my Palm PDA. It wasn't until this tablet that it was remotely reasonable to read some of those manuals, as they're pretty complicated with text, graphics, diagrams, screenshots, etc. One or two are almost 400 pages long each.
I'm willing to try any "problem" PDF on ezPDF reader. Just link to it somewhere and I'll let you know.

I too agree with the above poster: ezPDF is plenty fast and it works when nothing else does. Perhaps it's worth trying?

qhorque said:
Viewing PDFs on the A500 would seem to be a proper use of the tablet and the Tegra2 processor should provide a lag-free experience but in my opinion, the ability of the A500 to display PDFs is severely lacking.
Reading just about any PDF other than those that are text only will start off good but, after reading 20 pages or so, the change to the next page will begin to lag and basically freeze or display the page in an unresolved state (blurry) until it finally pops in to focus. This can take 10-15 seconds or more sometimes.
The only solution is to reboot.
I've been reading several magazines and it happens on all of them from Maximum PC, Scientific American, etc. Note that all the magazines I read are my own personal subscriptions or are archives as provided by the vendor in PDF format so these are not warez copies.
I'm using Adobe Acrobat, Documents to Go, Quickoffice, and the LumiReader. All perform poorly so it's got to be the hardware. These PDFs display quickly on my main PC.
Does everyone see this crappy PDF performance or have a solution?
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I use the A500 daily to show clients catalogs showing products from heavy graphics PDF files using EzPDF. Never a problemn nor any perception of lag.
I properly index and bookmark my files and after the customers do some viewing on their own the reaction is usually "cool, where do I get one of these"... Sure beats fumbling through paper.

I have a lot of schematics/service manuals in PDF form on my tablet and have never had a problem with viewing them with Docs2Go. I will admit that usually I just read the relevant pages I need and don't ever read more than 20 or so, that may be why I don't have any issues. I'll try to flip through some of my thicker manuals and see if it starts to hang with me.

Common problematic PDFs are, for example, CPU Magazine or Maximum PC here:
http://www.computerpoweruser.com/DigitalIssues/ComputerPowerUser/CP____1202__/ Unfortunately, you have to load this display page first then click the download arrow on the left side.
http://dl.maximumpc.com/Archives/MPC_2011_11-web.pdf This is a direct link to the PDF.
Feel free to browse to those pages manually if you don't want to simply click on a link in a posting!
Either of those will start off good but, by page 20 or so, they really start to lag and make reading the second half of the magazine a chore.
I'll take a look at ezPDF and see how it does. Thanks for the suggestion.

I've pretty slick performance with Adobe Reader. Is your PDF non-standard?

I downloaded the Maximum PC pdf from your link.....Tested in lumiread, Officesuite,
PDF to Go and QuickOffice Pro....
Not seeing the lag your getting ....Ive went page by page and worst case --only takes maybe 2-3 seconds to load a full page ad on any of the readers. Tried it in both landscape and portrait using full screen and zoom...
If you haven't tried it....reboot your machine and test it again.
Another thought is if you have them stored on a sd card or usb stick that is faulty may be causing a problem.
Also I found that if I up the CPU to 1400MHz from the stock 1000MHz it does seem to speed load time for each page.
I'm on a stock 3.2.1 rooted rom with a custom kernel for over-clocking when needed.

WereCatf said:
I too agree with the above poster: ezPDF is plenty fast and it works when nothing else does. Perhaps it's worth trying?
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++ ezPdf is both cheap and works exceptionally well.

For real use adobe reader.....
Sent from my INFUSE powered by ZEUS

qhorque said:
http://dl.maximumpc.com/Archives/MPC_2011_11-web.pdf This is a direct link to the PDF.
Feel free to browse to those pages manually if you don't want to simply click on a link in a posting!
Either of those will start off good but, by page 20 or so, they really start to lag and make reading the second half of the magazine a chore.
I'll take a look at ezPDF and see how it does. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Using ezPDF I scrolled/paged all the way through page 60 of Maximum PC with no real significant lag. Going through the full page images in the NAS reviews was the slowest, but that only meant it would take a full second to load the page, which I wouldn't call that lag as it would've likely taken longer if viewing the same on a web page.
I would try ezPDF, and if you still get lag then there's something wrong with your tablet. I'm currently running a rooted but otherwise stock HC 3.2.1 ROM. I did remove some bloat apps myself, but I'm running the stock kernel so it's not overclocked.

qhorque said:
Viewing PDFs on the A500 would seem to be a proper use of the tablet and the Tegra2 processor should provide a lag-free experience but in my opinion, the ability of the A500 to display PDFs is severely lacking.
Reading just about any PDF other than those that are text only will start off good but, after reading 20 pages or so, the change to the next page will begin to lag and basically freeze or display the page in an unresolved state (blurry) until it finally pops in to focus. This can take 10-15 seconds or more sometimes.
The only solution is to reboot.
I've been reading several magazines and it happens on all of them from Maximum PC, Scientific American, etc. Note that all the magazines I read are my own personal subscriptions or are archives as provided by the vendor in PDF format so these are not warez copies.
I'm using Adobe Acrobat, Documents to Go, Quickoffice, and the LumiReader. All perform poorly so it's got to be the hardware. These PDFs display quickly on my main PC.
Does everyone see this crappy PDF performance or have a solution?
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Ive been pdf reading on the iconia a500 for some time now, using lumiread, adobe and ezpdf and even the document reader for ICS and no lag here.
I'm thinking there is a rogue process slowing ur sys over time. Factory reset ur sys, run all the official updates (if ur rooted, used the rooted official updates not the custom ones)
Then install just your pdf apps and try reading, see what happens, if it runs lag free, start reinstalling your apps, with the most essential ones first and keep and eye open for performance degradation.

I just downloaded your trouble PDF but I had no difficulty at all. It have to agree that it is most likely a software issue. Are you rooted? If so you may want to do a dirty flash (install your ROM again without wiping data or cache). It may be a ROM bug too, but then the devs would likely have a lot of people submitting the same issue. However, if its an app conflict a dirty flash probably won't fix it.

RepliGo Reader is also great for PDF. It even let you full screen your PDF.

I've had no trouble at all with adobe PDF reader. It loads up my textbooks which are usually over 500 pages without any sort of problem.
I can scroll through them or search to find whatever I need and its always smooth.
I'm using the stock ota 3.2.1 w/out root.
The A500 is perfect. In my opinion
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a_rocklobster said:
I've had no trouble at all with adobe PDF reader. It loads up my textbooks which are usually over 500 pages without any sort of problem.
I can scroll through them or search to find whatever I need and its always smooth.
I'm using the stock ota 3.2.1 w/out root.
The A500 is perfect. In my opinion
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Just tested with Doc's to Go Paid. Playboy with Lutzy Lo-pans. Works fine, although wanted to bail out with the "viewing her pics". I think my tab has better standards. Da_n she's ugly.....
I think you need to re-do your tab. Or think about what other apps you might have running in processes. Seems like you may have some memory hogs.
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I think you guys dont have an ipad. I can tell you, its horrible compared with an ipad

sollie said:
I think you guys dont have an ipad. I can tell you, its horrible compared with an ipad
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I purchased an original iPad for my son and an iPad2 for my daughter. Getting those two iCraps to do even half of what my A500 can do has been a ridiculous chore, and I'm a career network engineer.
Is the iPad smoother in some circumstances? Sure. But it better be -- it's at least 2x the price and it's not like you can change anything (mod, ROM, tweak, etc.) if you don't like the performance.
No thanks! I'll happily keep my A500.

Smooth brower experience

I'm wondering if its possible to have a smooth browser experience on the tab 10.1, so far I've tried;
latest ICS preview
renice
disable opengl rendering (about:debug)
normal rendering (about:debug)
light touch - no idea what this does (about:debug)
force gpu rendering (developer options)
overclock cpu (1.4ghz)
force plugins to on-demand
touchscreen tune tweaks
clear app data/cache
other browsers (dolphin, firefox, opera)
On mainly text sites like forums.whirlpool.net.au scrolling is smooth but sites with moderate/standard use of images like theverge.com (full-site) scrolling is only average. I've noticed a pause in scrolling occurs when a new image comes into view and thats scrolling at a speed that you would if you were reading/skimming content on the site.
I'm comparing to the iPad 1, as its all I've got to compare to, where the above 2 sites scroll super smooth. Even the mainly text site is loads smoother on the iPad 1.
Is this as goods as the browsing experience gets on android?

I just flashed Romans ics rom and everything is smooth as butta... even on the stock browser.

zacbarton said:
I'm wondering if its possible to have a smooth browser experience on the tab 10.1, so far I've tried;
latest ICS preview
renice
disable opengl rendering (about:debug)
normal rendering (about:debug)
light touch - no idea what this does (about:debug)
force gpu rendering (developer options)
overclock cpu (1.4ghz)
force plugins to on-demand
touchscreen tune tweaks
clear app data/cache
other browsers (dolphin, firefox, opera)
On mainly text sites like forums.whirlpool.net.au scrolling is smooth but sites with moderate/standard use of images like theverge.com (full-site) scrolling is only average. I've noticed a pause in scrolling occurs when a new image comes into view and thats scrolling at a speed that you would if you were reading/skimming content on the site.
I'm comparing to the iPad 1, as its all I've got to compare to, where the above 2 sites scroll super smooth. Even the mainly text site is loads smoother on the iPad 1.
Is this as goods as the browsing experience gets on android?
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Pretty much
Everything on Android is laggier then it would be on iOS, the actual release of ICS from Samsung may help with this, who knows though, overall though the ICS ports are pretty damn good when it comes to browser scrolling, its the best Ive seen on any Android device I have, IMO tegra 2 is a piece of turd, which is part of the problem

What I notice on some sites is if the images are large or large images sized down via HTML to thumbnails then I'm more likely to see jittering going on when scrolling on the site. Save both the home screen for Verge and Engadget and you'll notice a difference in the amount of image files larger than 50k each on Verge.
I don't think it's fair for folks to say that things are great for them when it comes to subjective things like responsiveness and smoothness. I'm on 3.2 and the Verge site stutters when scrolling and an image pops in. For the most part performance is acceptable for me but that's a subjective thing, I can perceive the stutter but it's not bad enough for me to complain about and I'd never even consider buying an iPad to remedy that.
For me memory management is worse than scrolling performance. Jumping in and out of memory intensive applications causes issues eventually as Android tries to dump background process to free up RAM. Hoping ICS helps as people say because that lag switching between or starting apps is more annoying to me.

Opera Mini processes the webpage on Opera servers so it speeds up page load times and I find browsing to be pretty smooth.

Can you elaborate on your definitions of smooth and lag? I compared browsing sites on the Tab and my mbp and unless my macbook pro browser experience is not as great as iOS Im not getting the same substandard performance. Im not seeing deformed images or text. Flash works well.
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muzzy996 said:
What I notice on some sites is if the images are large or large images sized down via HTML to thumbnails then I'm more likely to see jittering going on when scrolling on the site. Save both the home screen for Verge and Engadget and you'll notice a difference in the amount of image files larger than 50k each on Verge.
I don't think it's fair for folks to say that things are great for them when it comes to subjective things like responsiveness and smoothness. I'm on 3.2 and the Verge site stutters when scrolling and an image pops in. For the most part performance is acceptable for me but that's a subjective thing, I can perceive the stutter but it's not bad enough for me to complain about and I'd never even consider buying an iPad to remedy that.
For me memory management is worse than scrolling performance. Jumping in and out of memory intensive applications causes issues eventually as Android tries to dump background process to free up RAM. Hoping ICS helps as people say because that lag switching between or starting apps is more annoying to me.
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I agree on memory mgmt. I have to use the task mgr a lot in order to assure decent performance with hd video playback or even netflix.Even then im rebooting at least every other day. Really not seeing poor browser performance. Im running stock rooted currently. Considering a rom but so far I cant see not running into problems like no camera or other bugs which just adds up to swapping one problem for another.
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I agree on memory mgmt. I have to use the task mgr a lot in order to assure decent performance with hd video playback or even netflix.Even then im rebooting at least every other day. Really not seeing poor browser performance. Im running stock rooted currently. Considering a rom but so far I cant see not running into problems like no camera or other bugs which just adds up to swapping one problem for another.
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Try Overcome. It's close to stock, and I haven't run into any issues in the couple of days I've run it.

Simba501 said:
Try Overcome. It's close to stock, and I haven't run into any issues in the couple of days I've run it.
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Thanks for the input. Ive seen people talking about it. Is it one of those "slim" roms where I have to hunt down the system apps?
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Thanks for the input. Ive seen people talking about it. Is it one of those "slim" roms where I have to hunt down the system apps?
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I think everything is there. I ended up removing a lot of stuff I don't use, so I assume he left most of it intact.

Ipad haven no flash in the browser so for sure it would be faster
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zacbarton said:
I'm wondering if its possible to have a smooth browser experience on the tab 10.1, so far I've tried;
latest ICS preview
renice
disable opengl rendering (about:debug)
normal rendering (about:debug)
light touch - no idea what this does (about:debug)
force gpu rendering (developer options)
overclock cpu (1.4ghz)
force plugins to on-demand
touchscreen tune tweaks
clear app data/cache
other browsers (dolphin, firefox, opera)
On mainly text sites like forums.whirlpool.net.au scrolling is smooth but sites with moderate/standard use of images like theverge.com (full-site) scrolling is only average. I've noticed a pause in scrolling occurs when a new image comes into view and thats scrolling at a speed that you would if you were reading/skimming content on the site.
I'm comparing to the iPad 1, as its all I've got to compare to, where the above 2 sites scroll super smooth. Even the mainly text site is loads smoother on the iPad 1.
Is this as goods as the browsing experience gets on android?
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I use the following combination
Task 13.1 Slim
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340064
Pershoot kernel 2.6.36.4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138167
b00sted's Galaxy tab ICS Theme
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1349862
No browser issues to speak of.......

hoss_n2 said:
Ipad haven no flash in the browser so for sure it would be faster
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You can set plugins to "on demand" to speed up page loads and only use it when you want to. I don't know why anyone would not have it "on demand". I get this laggyness the OP describes as well on mine without flash even installed. Nothing compared to my first gen ipad so I dont think it's fair to say that's the only reason.

latest ics kang with ics browser + is pretty smooth for me
the verge.com doesn't seem slow at all

Simba501 said:
I think everything is there. I ended up removing a lot of stuff I don't use, so I assume he left most of it intact.
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I'm going to give it a go tomorrow. I'm tired of the crummy memory mgmt.

Try this ram manager instead of a task killer. Its very similar to the scripts like v6 supercharger that some devs bake into their rom. Is enhances androids own ram management.
Imo it helps from android killing my browser while I'm using it. Makes the tab generally more responsive and better on battery life by helping android do a better job of stopping rogue apps from eating up ramm in the background.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimizationFree

shawnwojcik said:
Try this ram manager instead of a task killer. Its very similar to the scripts like v6 supercharger that some devs bake into their rom. Is enhances androids own ram management.
Imo it helps from android killing my browser while I'm using it. Makes the tab generally more responsive and better on battery life by helping android do a better job of stopping rogue apps from eating up ramm in the background.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimizationFree
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Installed it but it hangs when trying to run it. It just sits there with a blank screen and no menu options although I read theres only balanced with the free version. Rebooted and no change.
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If you want smooth browsing experience(or a smooth OS in general) get an iPad. All Android tablets I've tried were laggy and had repeated browser crashes(I think there's an issue with JavaScript) and no custom rom will solve these issues.

GorillaPimp said:
Installed it but it hangs when trying to run it. It just sits there with a blank screen and no menu options although I read theres only balanced with the free version. Rebooted and no change.
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Usually when i have an issue like that I have to uninstall and reinstall the app. You are correct about having only the balanced option with the free version. For me it does the trick though. Its just enough to have a better experience on all my Android devices.

shawnwojcik said:
Usually when i have an issue like that I have to uninstall and reinstall the app. You are correct about having only the balanced option with the free version. For me it does the trick though. Its just enough to have a better experience on all my Android devices.
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Tried reinstalling and rebooting with waiting after reboot to reinstall and still it won't work on my Tab. I'm not even running a custom ROM. Weird. No data to clear either. There are a few other similar apps out there. I will see if one of them will work.