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G2 a bit laggy?

i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?

I don't know what you did but the G2 is incrediblly snappy for me. No lags at all. I'm even playing some heavy duty games, like Asphalt (racing game) and I do not notice any lags at all.

thats what i was expecting too, i dint do anything to my g2 is out of the back from the store

flash comes pre-installed.
Have you tried rebooting?
What are your linpack scores?

I too find G2 a bit choppy (after playing with my friend's iPhone4) but I think that's just the way Android is. It can do so much more but we have to sacrifice some smoothness in return. Seems to lag a bit more on home screens. Browser, maps, other apps are just fine.
Also, with Android 2.2, you have to use a phone for a while for it to achieve it's full potential. Something about JIT getting better over the time.

I had the same thing happen to me after i put my work email through microsoft exchange active sync. i ended up putting the check email frequency to never cause i always check it every morning and night to reply and that seemed to clear up that issue. it might be a bug with microsoft exchange active sync or the email app itself. hope that helps.

Honestly after the G1 I didn't believe android could run without lag, but my G2 never lags at all. Well maybe twice I've noticed a tiny second of lag coming back to the home screen but that's it. That being said, one of my friends got a g2 too and his is a little laggy here and there... gotta be particular apps/widgets causing issues in my opinion... with him in particular I think its the anyRSS widget, but I could be wrong of course. I love this phone
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obelisk282 said:
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?
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Laggy? No, not at all. Not even a little bit. Nope. Whoosh, eat my dust iPhone. Uh, you don't have to install flash, it is preloaded...you could turn it off. Must be something wrong with your trying to run on ATT.
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My g1 and my g2 BOTH lag blatantly when connected to cheap third party power cords fyi. They work fine on decent power cords, but glitch on the made-in-china, 3 chargers for 99 cents adapter cords.
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The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.

Set flash to "on demand."

Overall I have no lag. when i first got mine (oct 6) there was a delay when i tried to scroll the app drawer. The issues has a since disappear. This thing is snappy and blazing fast.

I think he might be referring to the "smoothness". Unfortunately all android phones have a tendency to stutter when scrolling.
There is no 2D graphics acceleration in the UI, as google did not want to have issues with the older 528mhz phones. Hopefully this will be resolved in 3.0.
The newer faster phones (Like the G2) can hide this with their raw CPU performance, but occasionally if its multitasking or doing something else it will stutter/lag. For now, Windows Phone 7, and iPhone's will always be "smoother". Until we get some decent UI acceleration .

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The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.
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do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"

androidcues said:
do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"
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I'm actually talking with flash off though and comparing the g2 side by side a captivate. So android's ui is not hardware accelerated but the galaxy s phones are able to totally mask that. Its not a big difference but a shame that the g2 processor doesn't keep up with the hummingbird. Now someone could explain to me that its because we are running 2.2 but I thought it was actually supposed to be faster than 2.1.

my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.

j.books said:
my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.
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Yeah that makes sense. My captivate is not choppy in the browser at all and my g2 is slightly choppy. It seriously makes me sad.

obelisk282 said:
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
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I think most of the Web browser choppiness is due to the fact your use At&t network for browsing on the G2 which will only get you slow speeds since it can't use At&t's 3G. This would be expected. Try wifi and see if you still have the choppiness. I don't know about your button issue though.

jaggy browser experience?

So I was really looking forward to getting a galaxy tab, primarily for web browsing. Then I saw this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvCXMARtl0
What is the deal with the stuttering jaggy web browsing experience? Can someone that has a tab let me know if a third party browser can make browsing a little less, bleh?

The Galaxy Tab has Flash running in on the webpage.
Look at 0:08 on the video, you can see on the iPad that there are two bars marked "FLASH" disabled. It's suppose to have the banner for "HTC" on it.

Yeah, flash is SERIOUSLY CPU heavy. In fact that's how apple justifies not using it on any of its mobile devices. On closer inspection, there's more than just two 'FLASH' bars on the iPad, I count at least 4.
If you want it to good THAT fast then turn flash off.
On the other hand, do you look at websites by pinging back and forth on them so fast you can't read the text ? Personally, I scroll slowly down, and only move quickly infrequently when I want to 'go to top' or 'go to bottom'. If you actually read websites, the video doesn't really show off a whole lot. Its not comparing like with like, and its not comparing a real life situation, so it doesn't matter.

I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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clubtech said:
I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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Quote possibly. Samsung have been slow to release Froyo for the galaxy, so maybe the flash thing isn't just the Tab, its the architecture. Maybe they can't get the hummingbird GFX to accelerate properly.

I have a Tab since 1 week and yes...the browsing experience is really awful. it's a pain...it's slow in loading pages and VERY jaggy in scrolling.
If I think that it should be one of the best features on the Tab I'm very sad and I really hope that it will be fixed (ad least improved) soon in future releases!
By now I just can't leave my ipad for internet browsing.

It looks like both the SGS and the Tab are suffering from the same issue with the browser.
Samsung will have no choice but to fix this.

Dolphin and Opera
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).

Thank you all for your honest opinions.

patomas said:
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).
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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.

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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.
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Didnt know. In practice it's really smoother though!

The webkit browser has a really annoying renderer in general. I dont understand why it needs to lower picture quality whenever you move the image around.
Just look at the way opera mini does it - much faster and better looking! Sadly its buggy and lacking in features, which is why im still using webkit.
Dolphin HD is slightly better (if only because it semi-blocks flash content by default), but it has some annoying ui elements like the giant tab bar, which can be removed but at the cost of being able to click on objects along the top edge of the display.
Ive also tried the ARM7 version of the mozilla fennec nighly builds. It just force closed on me, not even a little looksee

For me Dolphin HD is much smoother beside the fact it doesn't show flash banners where stock one does.
Both of them have been a disappointment WRT flash support.
It isn't that great for sites i visit.

If I open a new tap, I need to zoom in and out to get a picture
is this normal?

No, mine loads fine immediatley.

ftgg99 said:
No, mine loads fine immediatley.
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strange maybe this evening I'll do a HR
by the way I open the tabs not in front but in background. If I open it in front it will load

Why is the browser so laggy?

Before I picked up my Tab, I assumed that all the complaints about the browser were just complaints that apply to the stock android browser in general. However, I've noticed that the browser on my Tab is a lot choppier than the browser on my Captivate. Even if I visit an extremely light-weight page that my Captivate handles with ease, the Tab browser is noticeably choppy (take google's mobile search results, for instance -- there's barely anything to render!). I've also set plugins to load on demand.
So are there any theories as to why this is? I have a hard time believing that the upped resolution is the sole cause.

Opera Mobile is smooooooth.

I haven't noticed the lag since I replaced the tab's native browser with Dolphin HD.

The issues with the lag in the browser is all over this forum.
It is also present in the SGS 2.2 firmwares so it is definitely a bug that Samsung will need to fix as the lag is simply unacceptable.
Dolphin HD helps a little but since both stock and Dolphin use the same webkit core (that has this lag), it is not solving all the lag issues.
Opera mobile is super smooth because it is using Opera's own rendering engine.

Guys make sure in settings you click 'on demand' when it asks for enabling flash.... makes a big difference.

I knew it was a Flash issue, mainly because on my Nexus One before I had Flash on it, it was running as smooth as a baby's ass up until I install Flash.

rockky said:
Guys make sure in settings you click 'on demand' when it asks for enabling flash.... makes a big difference.
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Yes thank you for tips.. its helpful..

Is it just me, or does the modified stock browser kick ass?

Hey guys,
I have tried MANY browsers, and I have to say that the stock browser is the most reliable and stable on the fascinate.
Here's what I've experienced from other browsers:
Firefox: choppy scrolling, poor image loading
Opera: loads all pages in mobile view, cuts out certain page aspects.
Dolphin: takes very long on 3G
xScope: also takes very long on 3G
Miren: lacks copying capability
Skyfire: interface is too crowded.
Netfront: yahoo is only search engine, WTF.
Maxthon: very buggy at the moment
I run the stock browser from the community rom. It works great, loading pages in a timely fashion with all of the proper features on the page.
So is it just me or does this thing rock? Discuss.
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I've always felt the stock browser is the best. Only reason I have Dolphin HD installed, is when I need to force the page to be desktop view as I have that set to be that view 100% of time.

I agree. I've tried several different browsers and the stock browser has given me the least amount of problems.
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i always seem to fall back on the stock browser.
i used Dolphin for a bit and it wasn't terrible but it wasn't quite as fast to just look up a random question and be done in 45 seconds either. i tried Skyfire a few days ago and it wasn't for me. Firefox was disappointing overall.
i have been thinking about trying out some different browsers lately but i cant complain about the stock browser at the same time.

That makes me wonder though... what is with all this hype about the other browsers? Does anyone notice that maybe our stock browser is much better than the stock browser of other phones? That seems to me like it's the only explanation..

Well, if you examine it from the desktop side, Chrome is faster and cleaner than any other browsers I've tried. Stands to reason the android browser would be same, as its likely built on much of the same code.
Materialized into existence through the act of observation.

agsded said:
Well, if you examine it from the desktop side, Chrome is faster and cleaner than any other browsers I've tried. Stands to reason the android browser would be same, as its likely built on much of the same code.
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Other than both being based on WebKit (Opera and Firefox being the only two for Android that /aren't/ using WebKit, AFAIK), there isn't a whole lot of similarity between the two.

I would use it if it would let me not have a default browser. When clicking on some links I like to use different browsers for different things, so I don't have a default. That way it will let me choose every time. The stock browser forces me to choose every time it loads a page, usually multiple times per page because it will redirect and things. Like instead of just loading the page it brings up the choose browser popup, and if I tell it to be default it makes itself the default browser for everything, disabling my ability to choose other browsers. So yeah.
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If your only beef with Opera is it loads everthing in Mobile veiw, a quick Google search will tell you how to fix that problem.
Go to "opera:config" in the address bar. go to user agent. Put "Opera/9.80 (linux;en) Prest/2.7.8.1 Version/ 11.00" Or any other user agent you would like.

The stock browser is really nice, but I don't like how it always runs in the background taking up 30 mb of memory since there is no feature, that I know of, to close it within the browser (unless you press the back button 100 times). Dolphin HD has an option to close the browser after using it. If the stock browser had this option it would be the #1 browser for sure.
Just my 2 cents.
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The stock browser is really nice, but I don't like how it always runs in the background taking up 30 mb of memory since there is no feature, that I know of, to close it within the browser (unless you press the back button 100 times). Dolphin HD has an option to close the browser after using it. If the stock browser had this option it would be the #1 browser for sure.
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That's not really a problem, since Android will automatically close it when it needs that space for another app (that's one of the fundamental components of an app's life cycle on Android). If the phone doesn't need that extra space for another application (say, you shut the screen down and it's sleeping), it won't impact battery life.
I've heard some people claim that empty RAM will be 'powered down'... but in practice I doubt that'll happen even if true: your phone's physical memory will become fragmented over time, resulting in usage spread across physical RAM (both from apps and from the Linux kernel). And it's not like RAM uses all that much energy anyways- if you're looking to optimize battery life and you're looking at RAM, you might wanna rethink your strategy...

Opera mobile with a desktop useragent is the best I've used yet.

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Opera mobile with a desktop useragent is the best I've used yet.
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Dolphin HD is by far the best I have used. With that being said, the stock browser is the second best.
I use both the stock and Dolphin HD extensively. I like Opera, Skyfire, and Firefox, but after having used them for a while I still go back to Dolphin HD and Stock.

Stock is the only one with GPU acceleration, hence the speed.
Unfortunately, its handling of tabs, zooming, etc. leaves much to be desired. Dolphin HD is fast enough.

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Stock is the only one with GPU acceleration, hence the speed.
Unfortunately, its handling of tabs, zooming, etc. leaves much to be desired. Dolphin HD is fast enough.
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Do you guys have smooth scrolling with stock browser on 2.2 ROMS? I see a big step backwards from 2.1, and assume its from loss of GPU acceleration.

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Do you guys have smooth scrolling with stock browser on 2.2 ROMS? I see a big step backwards from 2.1, and assume its from loss of GPU acceleration.
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It's usually pretty smooth. However, there are times when it can get very choppy; usually when loading pages with lots of images and such. Come to think of it, 2.2 itself can become very choppy at times: something I never noticed on stock 2.1.

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It's usually pretty smooth. However, there are times when it can get very choppy; usually when loading pages with lots of images and such. Come to think of it, 2.2 itself can become very choppy at times: something I never noticed on stock 2.1.
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I find 2.2 browser scrolling choppy even on simple mobile pages. Good example is mobile ver of news.Google.com. When I test same site on my friends Vibrant or Captivate with 2.2, its silky smooth. Somehow Fascinate code branch lost some goodness, perhaps GPU acceleration. I blame the unholy MS Bing integration keeping Fascinate separate.

Actually, it may have been 2.2->2.2.1. I remember one of those had GPU acceleration on Samsung and the other didn't. Since the Vibrant and Captivate are still (officially) on 2.2, I guess it's the former.
Wonder if you could swap the apks.

I always come back to stock because I use apps for almost everything. XDA Premium and Tapatalk for forums. Wapedia for wikipedia. News apps for news, my banks own App, etc.
On the phone I'm doing simple web searches. Real research needing multiple tabs, extensions, etc happen on the computer.
Of the 'other' browsers I have spent the most time with Dolphin Mini and I don't see any speed improvement, if anything my impression is that stock is slightly faster.
Simple needs = simple browser.

browser keyboard lag fix... kind of

I found this in one of the xoom forums
Type about:debug into browser bar
Nothing seems to happen
Go to menu>settings>debug
Disable opengl rendering
It's still not perfect but it is significantly better than it was for me
I'm no programmer so do any of you know what opengl does or if it will hinder the browser by disabling that function?
Disabling wide viewport makes the choppy page scrolling a bit more bearable

Does it affect any other performance?
Like the smoothness of page scrolling ... embedded YouTube playing ...
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I found this in one of the xoom forums
Type about:debug into browser bar
Nothing seems to happen
Go to menu>settings>debug
Disable opengl rendering
It's still not perfect but it is significantly better than it was for me
I'm no programmer so do any of you know what opengl does or if it will hinder the browser by disabling that function?
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Page scrolling is not as smooth
Viewing youtube videos in the browser doesn't work without it apparently
I'll probably keep it disabled for typing in forums and then toggle it on when i need it for videos. It feels pretty nice to have responsive keyboard presses

You know, I scratched my head thinking about this issue.
How is it possible this happened to a company like Google?
Didn't they test it?
I meant, come on! The problem is obvious and very easy to reproduce, they should have test the keyboard functionality on a web forum!
Probably they don't have test department ... or what???
Unbelievable
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Page scrolling is not as smooth
Viewing youtube videos in the browser doesn't work without it apparently
I'll probably keep it disabled for typing in forums and then toggle it on when i need it for videos. It feels pretty nice to have responsive keyboard presses
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It is pretty lame that I have to choose between typing and smooth page scrolling.
Until we get an update to fix the issue I'll keep turning opengl on and off accordingly.
I've tried other debug settings but to no avail

I haven't had (or maybe noticed due to the tracing input method) any keyboard lag using Swype. That was the first thing I installed after I powered up, so I can't compare with the stock keyboard. YMMV.
Also, you want to leave OpenGL enabled, as that is the hardware acceleration library. Would make sense that your page scrolling becomes choppy (and probably pegs your processor - and thus your battery - too). Maybe somebody more familiar with this can explain why there OpenGL would introduce keyboard lag.
Finally, it's annoying - very annoying sometimes - but Android and Google's products in general really are in a perpetual state of beta. It's irritating when you run into issues, but that's also how Android became the powerful (if unpolished at times) platform that it is today so quickly.

this is very annoying i dont know if i can put up with this lag. ive only had it for a day but i do alot of forum typing. might return it and reconsider something else

Most of my favorite forums use TapaTalk so I'm OK for now.
I've also gotten used to typing in a notepad app, then copy the text to the browser. I do that on my phone all the time. I mainly do it that way because I've responded to posts on my phone, hit the submit button, then the page does not load. Hit the back button & all my text is gone.
I've been copying to & from a notepad app for so long, it's not an issue for me at the time.

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Most of my favorite forums use TapaTalk so I'm OK for now.
I've also gotten used to typing in a notepad app, then copy the text to the browser. I do that on my phone all the time. I mainly do it that way because I've responded to posts on my phone, hit the submit button, then the page does not load. Hit the back button & all my text is gone.
I've been copying to & from a notepad app for so long, it's not an issue for me at the time.
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Lol I've had that happen to me so many times. Good way to get around it.
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I'm not sure what lag we're talking about. I am using swift key beta split keyboard and notice no lag.
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I'm not sure what lag we're talking about. I am using swift key beta split keyboard and notice no lag.
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Did you notice it with the stock keyboards? I've used those plus thumb keyboard and still get lag

OpenGL is the hardware acceleration library for Android. For an application like the browser, there can be two implementations of the "drawing" code for the application. If you wanted to draw some text on the screen, you could use either a bunch of standard text widgets, or you could render the text like a game would - with OpenGL. OpenGL lets you do things that a game would want to do, like scroll the text, rotate it, scale it, etc.
The OpenGL implementation of the browser would be much faster, and lets the device offload a lot of the graphical elements to the GPU.
Perhaps the problem here is that the keyboard (not OpenGL) is being composited on top of the OpenGL browser. That compositing implementation may be borked, or may be done in the CPU rather than the GPU.
So: Who's fault is it? Hard to say. It could be Google's implementation of compositing, or it could be the hardware vendors' (Samsung or Nvidia) implementation of OpenGL for their hardware.
I wonder if other OpenGL apps do the same thing. Someone find a game or graphic intensive application that also uses the stock keyboard and see if you get lag there, as well.

Great insight. I just won an ipad2 and immediately bought the xoom with intention if selling the ipad2 and breaking even, but this keyboard lag is killing me! The ipad2 is so much smoother. Google needs to iron these things out if they expect to make a dent in the tablet market.

scriptx said:
Great insight. I just won an ipad2 and immediately bought the xoom with intention if selling the ipad2 and breaking even, but this keyboard lag is killing me! The ipad2 is so much smoother. Google needs to iron these things out if they expect to make a dent in the tablet market.
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I agree with the lag issues in the web browser. Sometimes it's so bad, I tend to wonder if taking my iPad 2 back for the Tab was a wise decision. I really hope TouchWiz can address that issue.
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I really am not having this issue
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i use dolphin HD as my web browser until they sort the stock browsers lag out.

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I'm not sure what lag we're talking about. I am using swift key beta split keyboard and notice no lag.
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I also use SwiftKey keyboard and notice plenty of lag. The so far stock has least amount of lag from the kb i've tried out