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Very annoyed at this point with the browsers on this device!

So obviously I go to XDA everyday to look up information and post things. Well this has been huge chore for me with this device.
First off I have found that the dolphin browser slightly edges out the android browser for being the fastest. Even the dolphin browser can't handle quick replies and posting from the XDA 2010 browser very well. When I switch to the classic theme I am able to get more done. If I try to blaze away in the the 2010 theme I will get double button pushes and a ton of mis spellings.
This brings me to my next gripe. Say I write a block of text in a quick reply window and there are mis spellings (which there will be with a software keyboard) trying to fix these mistakes makes me want to throw my tablet at the guy sitting behind me a work. The little green arrow never lines up with the cursor, and when I go to move the cursor it is just all over the place and 2 seconds behind my finger presses on the screen.
I would remedy all of this by using the XDA App but it crashes constantly.
Also trying to do things such as login to Facebook and browse around make the device want to roll over and die. JESUS MY CELL PHONE HANDLES FULL HTML WEBSITES. I can honestly say that if the text editing were better I could live with not being able to run the 2010 theme. But why the hell does Facebook chug so hard? And why cant this damn thing load the 2010 theme???? Its a text website with minimal pictures!!!

so LOL
In editing that last post I realized that even though the arrow doesn't line up with the cursor it still functions correctly, you just have to deal with its random behaviour I guess. Also if you zoom considerably it helps a lot with text editing. Who woulda thought?
This still doesn't explain the poor performance on a lot of websites.

seh6183 said:
So obviously I go to XDA everyday to look up information and post things. Well this has been huge chore for me with this device.
First off I have found that the dolphin browser slightly edges out the android browser for being the fastest. Even the dolphin browser can't handle quick replies and posting from the XDA 2010 browser very well. When I switch to the classic theme I am able to get more done. If I try to blaze away in the the 2010 theme I will get double button pushes and a ton of mis spellings.
This brings me to my next gripe. Say I write a block of text in a quick reply window and there are mis spellings (which there will be with a software keyboard) trying to fix these mistakes makes me want to throw my tablet at the guy sitting behind me a work. The little green arrow never lines up with the cursor, and when I go to move the cursor it is just all over the place and 2 seconds behind my finger presses on the screen.
I would remedy all of this by using the XDA App but it crashes constantly.
Also trying to do things such as login to Facebook and browse around make the device want to roll over and die. JESUS MY CELL PHONE HANDLES FULL HTML WEBSITES. I can honestly say that if the text editing were better I could live with not being able to run the 2010 theme. But why the hell does Facebook chug so hard? And why cant this damn thing load the 2010 theme???? Its a text website with minimal pictures!!!
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The XDA app is working fine for me, and judging by other people's signatures, it's the same for them too.
On the other hand, the general browser stability is pretty poor over all. Dolphin and the stock browser will just quit on me without warning. I was loving Moreno browser on my phone (Droid X), but, while it renders perfectly well, it FCs too much.
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I use opera, no real issues except with load time which feels slower.
As for keyboard I'm using the hacker's keyboard. I love it more than ASUS or default.

You can draw the green arrow around after it appears if you're having issues getting it to position correctly.

I had a problems with XDA where I could not navigate to the previous page.
Most site work fine but on XDA and Yahoo when I hit the back button, it only refresh the current page and stay there. This is both the default and Dolphin HD browser.
The only one that let me navigate to previous page is Opera, I use it when I don't need flash.
On a positive note I just update to Prime v1.4 ROM today and it seems to be much better. It's letting me navigate back.

baseballfanz said:
I had a problems with XDA where I could not navigate to the previous page.
Most site work fine but on XDA and Yahoo when I hit the back button, it only refresh the current page and stay there. This is both the default and Dolphin HD browser.
The only one that let me navigate to previous page is Opera, I use it when I don't need flash.
On a positive note I just update to Prime v1.4 ROM today and it seems to be much better. It's letting me navigate back.
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Im using the prime rom as well and haven't experienced any force closes or problems navigating back. Only the editing problems and overall slowness.

It feels like I'm using Windows 98 with Internet Explorer 6.
That said, most problems can be solved by rebooting.

Its a shame this is such a miss, given it's the primary reason for the device to exist for many people.

I can say it got significantly better with the 3.1 update and a modded rom, but its still not where it should be.

So far what works best for me is opera mobile in desktop mode. See site below in how to set it up.
www.articlecms.in/3691-how-to-run-opera-mobile-in-full-desktop-mode.html
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i played with a zoom just now in the local big box, it was smoother - which leads me to believe that this is an asus implementation issue...thoughts?

I own Xoom as well as Transformer. Stock browser lags like hell on some websites on both. Pretty sure its a Honeycomb thing.
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cerchiara said:
So far what works best for me is opera mobile in desktop mode. See site below in how to set it up.
www.articlecms.in/3691-how-to-run-opera-mobile-in-full-desktop-mode.html
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Well I was looking for this setting for quite a while! Now that I tried it I only found out that the dolphin browser is indeed still a little faster than opera. Thanks for the info though.

Would you say that they perform similarly performance wise?

h00ligan said:
i played with a zoom just now in the local big box, it was smoother - which leads me to believe that this is an asus implementation issue...thoughts?
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I did too, back when everyone was 3.0.1. The zoom and a500 played smooth in YouTube app while my TF struggled, although my video quality was much better.
I wondered if zoom and a500 had different HQ settings, wondered if all were actually using 720p, if HQ mode was really 720p for all the devices, or some were 480p scaled to 720p. That would explain to me any performance differences. With 3.1, this now called HD.
My YouTube app at 720p full screen on TF 3.1 is very good, no need to O/C to improve this app. Browser is another story, but I'm not convinced it uses H/W acceleration (yet).
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seh6183 said:
Well I was looking for this setting for quite a while! Now that I tried it I only found out that the dolphin browser is indeed still a little faster than opera. Thanks for the info though.
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I find both dolphin and stock slower. Especially when scrolling. I only use dolphin when I need flash. Stock I removed.
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mike5065 said:
I did too, back when everyone was 3.0.1. The zoom and a500 played smooth in YouTube app while my TF struggled, although my video quality was much better.
I wondered if zoom and a500 had different HQ settings, wondered if all were actually using 720p, if HQ mode was really 720p for all the devices, or some were 480p scaled to 720p. That would explain to me any performance differences. With 3.1, this now called HD.
My YouTube app at 720p full screen on TF 3.1 is very good, no need to O/C to improve this app. Browser is another story, but I'm not convinced it uses H/W acceleration (yet).
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Interesting thoughts. The responsiveness increase I noticed was in stock browser and home screen usage.

Just an update.
I am currently using Opera forced in desktop mode only. This is the fastest scolling and zooming browser there is. The only thing I hate is how opera functions when selecting text off of a page to copy. It is really cheap. I also like the fact that I can add any search engine to the browser. I couldnt stand how every time I did a Google search it would search through Google mobile, so I just added the main Google search and all was fixed.
Typing on forums has been a breeze for the most part with opera, now if I can just find a way to use the Native copy and paste on web pages it will be almost perfect. At least when editing text or web page URLs it uses the native highlight feature.

I gave up. I really hope by tf2 both device and os have ironed out kinks.

Browser text entry lag

Just recieved my 32gb tab 10.1.
Screen looks much nicer than the Xoom, I had.
Doesn't feel as solid, but is definitely nicer to hold due to the thinner design.
The browser is absolutely awful to use, the text entry in any dialog box is way too slow and the display lags at least a word behind what I have typed.
Tried the built in browser, dolphin hd, and firefox. All text entry is miserably slow. Even on the Google search page.
I was able to improve it a little bit by disabling javascript, but not by much.
Trying to select and edit what I have entered is a true exercise in frustration.
Any suggestions on how to improve?
I'm running retail HC 3.1.
This is a really basic use case and its really disappointing.
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Are you charging while trying to use it? It seemed to be the source of the problem for one user, unfortunately I do not yet have mine to try for myself.

I just got mine earlier today and so far text entry in the browser is great. I've read about issues when using it in portrait mode, is that the problem you're having? I've also used mine while plugged into the charger and I can type two-handed pretty fast without any issue.

it's a know bug for honeycomb. it's slow in froyo and gb, but crappily slow in hc. one fix, at least for this forum, is to select xda classic. you can find it to your lower left after scrolling all the way down this page.

yeah, it did same with my Transformer! so it's honeycomb.....

I have experienced none of this lag, but I installed swype first thing

Mine lags too but it's almost unnoticeable because I type so damn slow
Yeah, so type slower lol

could be this problem:
http://www.android-honeycomb.com/20...ortrait-came-from-a-bug-in-the-nvidia-driver/

I know on my Xoom when I flashed the Tiamat kernel that the issue was almost all but gone. Greatly improved.. so I'm just waiting for source to drop and an EXT4 kernel to show up (hint Supercurios) ha.
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Has anyone tried disabling predictive text or suggestions? It might be lagging on lookups to text prediction or spelling, etc...

I tried it and it still lags

Will browsing ever be good enough?

I'm going to start by saying I absolutely love my transformer... and am definetly going to stay and hope the platform will grow. But I don't think anyone will argue that browsing on it is not the same as a computer or even netbook. My grandma has a 400 dollar netbook and Still it outperformed the transformer. Im running Prime 1.4, overclocked to 1.6 and still it is not enough. Sites don't load correctly, things don't click, and just other stuff just doesn't work as it does on a real PC.
So my question is Do you guys think well ever get a full fledged browsing experience? I no this isn't a computer but it should be able to browse like one I think. And do you guys think these issues are more honeycomb related then hardware?
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Sometimes things don't click because a lot of websites aren't exactly optimized for touches. Same reason we have problems with things that require mouse-hover functions.
Currently it's "good enough" for me, personally.

I've got a question regarding browser performance. Using the stock browser, when I scroll down a web page, there is a very noticeable lag in the newly exposed section filling in. For example, when I scroll down an XDA forum, the bottom of my screen is a blank brown/tan for a moment before anything loads. I tested the same sites on my dual core phone and there were no delays or visible blank spots when scrolling -it looks continous and smooth whereas the Transformer appears to be slowly loading each new section. I'm on my second unit and don't recall it being nearly as bad on the first. My keyboard lag is also ridiculous.
Is this experience common or do I again have a defective Transformer

That's common, try switching to xda classic at the bottom if you can't tolerate it. There its the xda app too.

i thinks its eather asus custome UI, even though its pretty vanilla, its still laggier than stock. that and HC is a bit laggier than phone ver. of Android. Just gotta wait for updates i guess.

Did I hear that hardware accerlation in the browser could b in I've cream sandwich? That will help surely.
Have to say I agree. My partner is getting pissed off with it as we sold our netbook for Thursday tf.
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i feel you with the things dont click, this is a problem with touch screens across all devices, other wise for a tablet the browsing is great. you shouldnt expect it to be up to par with a full operating system such as windows....yet

try opera browser instead

Opera does not support flash, but Flash in general is bad on Honeycomb, so you could argue that no browsers support it...
Opera has stated that it is because of Google not releasing the sources to Honeycomb, but that should change with Icecream Sandwitch (unless Google changes its mind again). It will take a while, early next year at the soonest.
If you can live without flash, Opera is indeed the best browser of the bunch.

I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.

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I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.
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I use opera mobile to open forums. smooth scrolling and no laggy page drawing. only use flash supported browser to stream videos.

i was annoyed by the slow browsing experience also using dolphin hd but i found that if you turn off JavaScript it significantly speeds up page loading.

Patience is a virtue...
Web browsing on android has came a very far way in just a few years. Microsoft had decades to optimize windows for browsing the web, android (especially honeycomb) just came into the game.
Web browsing works remarkably well when take into account that android (Once again, especially honeycomb) is still very much a premature OS still trying to iron out and optimize.
Don't get caught up in all the hype revolving around the hardware in android phones and benchmarks, etc. The hardware has never been the problem, once the software gets optimized and focused on web browsing will be just as good or even surpass OSx, ios and windows.

Links that don't react to clicking is probably not a touch screen problem but a bug in browser. In Dolphine when i use long tap and select "open in new window" it still doesn't open them many times. And new Dolphine proibably uses stack browser for viewing pages because it has the same problems as the stock browser.

Has anyone tried SkyFire? I t works quite well on my HD2 and has Flash support

You just have to try opera mobile! It is indeed the best brouwser for the transformer.

Yeah opera moblie seems to be the like the fastest browser among the stock and dolphina, but I don't heard alot of people complaining about the small font size. Am I crazy but the font is way to small on opera. So no one has issues with it? Increasing the font size from 9 to 12 does help but its not perfect.

Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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wouwout said:
Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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It does play flash. You have to enable desktop agent: http://articlecms.in/3691-how-to-run-opera-mobile-in-full-desktop-mode.html
"In the browser address bar type opera:config
Scroll down to User preferences and click on it
Scroll to custom user agent
Type this into the text box Opera/9.80 (Linux; en) Presto/2.7.81 Version/11.00
Click save
Restart the app"

I just find the browser to be slow. Sadly my notion ink adam broswer was much faster which was also running flash and was set fordesktop user agent

Slow Text Entry?

Is is just me, or is the text entry kind of pathetic on the browser of the tab
any desktop site, like.. Facebook , or XDA, typing lags always a second, so the words and letters typed will show up after you actually type, its not smooth at all...

*laughs hard*
I think there might have been a few discussions about this. Yeah, it's an issue. Dolphin or Opera Mini will work better.

So I think I may have a fix for this. I was digging around in the keyboard settings, and noticed that the Tab ships with "Samsung Keyboard" as the default. I switched mine back to the stock Android keyboard, and it's much better. Of course there are a bunch of replacement keyboards you can use as well, but the stock honeycomb keyboard seems much more responsive than the Samsung one.

So far the Android keyboard, Swiftkey, and Swype keyboards haven't made anything better for me.
I've seen some people say disabling OpenGL in the debug settings helps, but they also say it has some other performance side effects. So... I guess I'll be using Opera Mini for a while.
The Bookmarks widget though makes it real easy to use the stock browser bookmarks (synced from my desktop Chrome browser) real easy with Opera though, so I like that.

ya so far swype is tne worst. But problem ive been having is if i type too fast the keyboard suddenly closes and im constantly having to reopen it.... Its fuggin annoying.

I've been using thumb keyboard and no lag. Its able to keep up with me

i really don't think its keyboard related
I'm using stock hc keyboard
Divineblue try doing a quick reply here on ur tab and you'll see the lag
Its fine in Google search and mobile sites but just des on desktop sites like facebook etc

lag disappears in opera mini but its a slow loading browser and I can tell decreases page quality, also can't get facebook desktop to load, no user agent option
so the hc browser really sucks then and ia behind this text lag

Is this lag a general problem with HC? Do you guys think that it will be fixed?
I got this tab on friday I love it so far but this text entry lag is driving me insane.

Hawk777th said:
Is this lag a general problem with HC? Do you guys think that it will be fixed?
I got this tab on friday I love it so far but this text entry lag is driving me insane.
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It's HC. My Acer had they same issues.
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I use the thumb keyboard and stock browser. It lags like crazy, no different than using any other keyboard.

Has this been reported to Google?
Because of this issue alone, I postponed my purchase of any Android tablet
Web browsing accounts the most for my usage pattern. And I really hate any slow down for doing it.
See if this is fixed in the upcoming Android 3.2 (if it made to GTab) ... or hopefully ICS.

Is it at all lack of power from the Tegra or is it a glitch./-/

I bet on problem with Android Honeycomb.
It is really strange if Tegra does not have enough power on this!
We have a lot of Tegra phones and they don't have this issue. Sure, this is different OS, but that should show about "power".
Probably we need to wait for Android tablet Honeycomb that does not using Tegra.
And see if the problem still there.
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Is it at all lack of power from the Tegra or is it a glitch./-/
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lol its definitely not the tegra 2. Its honeycomb, this one is all google's fault. Kind of sad that google brags about their browser being the fastest than other browser and yet the honeycomb browser can't even handle text entry.
I get the same lag with the samsung keyboard attatchment i bought
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Google Issue 17353 seems its somthing to do with 3.1.

Here is the link:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
Please guys, chip in, report there and star it.
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Google Issue 17353 seems its somthing to do with 3.1.
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Yeah I see what you are talking about now

well done on the post above, i voted

I put my comments in that thread too..
The laggy text in the browser is total fail

[Q] is there keyboard lag on the dock?

I'm planning to get a transformer for school for note taking and such. I've noticed that some people said they've gotten keyboard lag when typing
Does anybody have keyboard lag and if you do.....would/ does it affect your time to finish typing up a report or anything?
Thanks
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droid_does said:
I'm planning to get a transformer for school for note taking and such. I've noticed that some people said they've gotten keyboard lag when typing
Does anybody have keyboard lag and if you do.....would/ does it affect your time to finish typing up a report or anything?
Thanks
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Yea. There's some lag. It doesn't affect me much. I wouldn't let this sway your decision on picking this bad boy up

MurfsHTC said:
Yea. There's some lag. It doesn't affect me much. I wouldn't let this sway your decision on picking this bad boy up
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is it only sometimes or does it happen all the time?

I "sometimes" get a keyboard lag when using the stock internet browser but when typing documents using Polaris Office I have absolutely no problems at all and it keeps up with my mediocre typing ability.
Using other browsers I havent had any lag so im not sure if its a bug with Honeycomb and if it is then it should be fixed in future updates so I wouldnt let any reports of keyboard lags affect your decision to buy the TF. There isnt another Tablet or laptop I would choose over this right now.
Hope this helps your decision making
Mark.

Meh
I only used Polaris a time or two to check it out and haven't found any issues with keyboard lag there. However, it's fairly common using the browser (take your pick which oe, they all seem to do it to me). There's also been occasions where I was not able to use the backspace key and had to reload the page to regain that functionality. It's lagging a bit as I type this right now. Having said that, it's not missing any key presses; there's just a small delay between typing and text appearing.
Having said that I would be mindful of the battery drain issues that the device experiences when docked. Leaving it docked as I imagine you'd be likely to do carryig it around for school, will take a noticable toll on your overall battery life.

The keyboard lag is an issue with the stock honeycomb browser and it happens with ALL text input (keyboard dock and onscreen keyboard as well). There is no lag in other apps such as Polaris Office or other browsers that are not based on the Webkit android browser. For example, Firefox and Opera browsers do not exhibit this same lag. Unfortunately, though, Firefox has its own couple of issues with the hardware keyboard on the Transformer. Mozilla actually has an open bug report about it, but apparently they don't have a device in house yet to test it. I use the Opera Mobile browser for now when posting on message boards.

not too bad
Ifyou use the keyboaard for writting docs andstuff like that you will feel no la. Sometimes if you are doing something like playing games that require good syncro you can feel the smal lag but is not too bad.After that the lag in the browser is something related to the browser itself I think.

As others have said, the lag issue really only affects web browsers.

The real question should be is this only a TF issue?

Evernote--which is probably the best app for taking and organizing your lecture notes--might be a better app for you than Polaris Office. Also, think about getting a keyboard app like Thumb Keyboard to go along with your TF. If you find yourself without the dock for some reason, you can still take notes accurately & quickly.