I'm going to start by saying I absolutely love my transformer... and am definetly going to stay and hope the platform will grow. But I don't think anyone will argue that browsing on it is not the same as a computer or even netbook. My grandma has a 400 dollar netbook and Still it outperformed the transformer. Im running Prime 1.4, overclocked to 1.6 and still it is not enough. Sites don't load correctly, things don't click, and just other stuff just doesn't work as it does on a real PC.
So my question is Do you guys think well ever get a full fledged browsing experience? I no this isn't a computer but it should be able to browse like one I think. And do you guys think these issues are more honeycomb related then hardware?
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Sometimes things don't click because a lot of websites aren't exactly optimized for touches. Same reason we have problems with things that require mouse-hover functions.
Currently it's "good enough" for me, personally.
I've got a question regarding browser performance. Using the stock browser, when I scroll down a web page, there is a very noticeable lag in the newly exposed section filling in. For example, when I scroll down an XDA forum, the bottom of my screen is a blank brown/tan for a moment before anything loads. I tested the same sites on my dual core phone and there were no delays or visible blank spots when scrolling -it looks continous and smooth whereas the Transformer appears to be slowly loading each new section. I'm on my second unit and don't recall it being nearly as bad on the first. My keyboard lag is also ridiculous.
Is this experience common or do I again have a defective Transformer
That's common, try switching to xda classic at the bottom if you can't tolerate it. There its the xda app too.
i thinks its eather asus custome UI, even though its pretty vanilla, its still laggier than stock. that and HC is a bit laggier than phone ver. of Android. Just gotta wait for updates i guess.
Did I hear that hardware accerlation in the browser could b in I've cream sandwich? That will help surely.
Have to say I agree. My partner is getting pissed off with it as we sold our netbook for Thursday tf.
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i feel you with the things dont click, this is a problem with touch screens across all devices, other wise for a tablet the browsing is great. you shouldnt expect it to be up to par with a full operating system such as windows....yet
try opera browser instead
Opera does not support flash, but Flash in general is bad on Honeycomb, so you could argue that no browsers support it...
Opera has stated that it is because of Google not releasing the sources to Honeycomb, but that should change with Icecream Sandwitch (unless Google changes its mind again). It will take a while, early next year at the soonest.
If you can live without flash, Opera is indeed the best browser of the bunch.
I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.
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I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.
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I use opera mobile to open forums. smooth scrolling and no laggy page drawing. only use flash supported browser to stream videos.
i was annoyed by the slow browsing experience also using dolphin hd but i found that if you turn off JavaScript it significantly speeds up page loading.
Patience is a virtue...
Web browsing on android has came a very far way in just a few years. Microsoft had decades to optimize windows for browsing the web, android (especially honeycomb) just came into the game.
Web browsing works remarkably well when take into account that android (Once again, especially honeycomb) is still very much a premature OS still trying to iron out and optimize.
Don't get caught up in all the hype revolving around the hardware in android phones and benchmarks, etc. The hardware has never been the problem, once the software gets optimized and focused on web browsing will be just as good or even surpass OSx, ios and windows.
Links that don't react to clicking is probably not a touch screen problem but a bug in browser. In Dolphine when i use long tap and select "open in new window" it still doesn't open them many times. And new Dolphine proibably uses stack browser for viewing pages because it has the same problems as the stock browser.
Has anyone tried SkyFire? I t works quite well on my HD2 and has Flash support
You just have to try opera mobile! It is indeed the best brouwser for the transformer.
Yeah opera moblie seems to be the like the fastest browser among the stock and dolphina, but I don't heard alot of people complaining about the small font size. Am I crazy but the font is way to small on opera. So no one has issues with it? Increasing the font size from 9 to 12 does help but its not perfect.
Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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wouwout said:
Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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It does play flash. You have to enable desktop agent: http://articlecms.in/3691-how-to-run-opera-mobile-in-full-desktop-mode.html
"In the browser address bar type opera:config
Scroll down to User preferences and click on it
Scroll to custom user agent
Type this into the text box Opera/9.80 (Linux; en) Presto/2.7.81 Version/11.00
Click save
Restart the app"
I just find the browser to be slow. Sadly my notion ink adam broswer was much faster which was also running flash and was set fordesktop user agent
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So I was really looking forward to getting a galaxy tab, primarily for web browsing. Then I saw this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvCXMARtl0
What is the deal with the stuttering jaggy web browsing experience? Can someone that has a tab let me know if a third party browser can make browsing a little less, bleh?
The Galaxy Tab has Flash running in on the webpage.
Look at 0:08 on the video, you can see on the iPad that there are two bars marked "FLASH" disabled. It's suppose to have the banner for "HTC" on it.
Yeah, flash is SERIOUSLY CPU heavy. In fact that's how apple justifies not using it on any of its mobile devices. On closer inspection, there's more than just two 'FLASH' bars on the iPad, I count at least 4.
If you want it to good THAT fast then turn flash off.
On the other hand, do you look at websites by pinging back and forth on them so fast you can't read the text ? Personally, I scroll slowly down, and only move quickly infrequently when I want to 'go to top' or 'go to bottom'. If you actually read websites, the video doesn't really show off a whole lot. Its not comparing like with like, and its not comparing a real life situation, so it doesn't matter.
I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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Quote possibly. Samsung have been slow to release Froyo for the galaxy, so maybe the flash thing isn't just the Tab, its the architecture. Maybe they can't get the hummingbird GFX to accelerate properly.
I have a Tab since 1 week and yes...the browsing experience is really awful. it's a pain...it's slow in loading pages and VERY jaggy in scrolling.
If I think that it should be one of the best features on the Tab I'm very sad and I really hope that it will be fixed (ad least improved) soon in future releases!
By now I just can't leave my ipad for internet browsing.
It looks like both the SGS and the Tab are suffering from the same issue with the browser.
Samsung will have no choice but to fix this.
Dolphin and Opera
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).
Thank you all for your honest opinions.
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Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).
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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.
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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.
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Didnt know. In practice it's really smoother though!
The webkit browser has a really annoying renderer in general. I dont understand why it needs to lower picture quality whenever you move the image around.
Just look at the way opera mini does it - much faster and better looking! Sadly its buggy and lacking in features, which is why im still using webkit.
Dolphin HD is slightly better (if only because it semi-blocks flash content by default), but it has some annoying ui elements like the giant tab bar, which can be removed but at the cost of being able to click on objects along the top edge of the display.
Ive also tried the ARM7 version of the mozilla fennec nighly builds. It just force closed on me, not even a little looksee
For me Dolphin HD is much smoother beside the fact it doesn't show flash banners where stock one does.
Both of them have been a disappointment WRT flash support.
It isn't that great for sites i visit.
If I open a new tap, I need to zoom in and out to get a picture
is this normal?
No, mine loads fine immediatley.
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strange maybe this evening I'll do a HR
by the way I open the tabs not in front but in background. If I open it in front it will load
Hey guys,
I have tried MANY browsers, and I have to say that the stock browser is the most reliable and stable on the fascinate.
Here's what I've experienced from other browsers:
Firefox: choppy scrolling, poor image loading
Opera: loads all pages in mobile view, cuts out certain page aspects.
Dolphin: takes very long on 3G
xScope: also takes very long on 3G
Miren: lacks copying capability
Skyfire: interface is too crowded.
Netfront: yahoo is only search engine, WTF.
Maxthon: very buggy at the moment
I run the stock browser from the community rom. It works great, loading pages in a timely fashion with all of the proper features on the page.
So is it just me or does this thing rock? Discuss.
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I've always felt the stock browser is the best. Only reason I have Dolphin HD installed, is when I need to force the page to be desktop view as I have that set to be that view 100% of time.
I agree. I've tried several different browsers and the stock browser has given me the least amount of problems.
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i always seem to fall back on the stock browser.
i used Dolphin for a bit and it wasn't terrible but it wasn't quite as fast to just look up a random question and be done in 45 seconds either. i tried Skyfire a few days ago and it wasn't for me. Firefox was disappointing overall.
i have been thinking about trying out some different browsers lately but i cant complain about the stock browser at the same time.
That makes me wonder though... what is with all this hype about the other browsers? Does anyone notice that maybe our stock browser is much better than the stock browser of other phones? That seems to me like it's the only explanation..
Well, if you examine it from the desktop side, Chrome is faster and cleaner than any other browsers I've tried. Stands to reason the android browser would be same, as its likely built on much of the same code.
Materialized into existence through the act of observation.
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Well, if you examine it from the desktop side, Chrome is faster and cleaner than any other browsers I've tried. Stands to reason the android browser would be same, as its likely built on much of the same code.
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Other than both being based on WebKit (Opera and Firefox being the only two for Android that /aren't/ using WebKit, AFAIK), there isn't a whole lot of similarity between the two.
I would use it if it would let me not have a default browser. When clicking on some links I like to use different browsers for different things, so I don't have a default. That way it will let me choose every time. The stock browser forces me to choose every time it loads a page, usually multiple times per page because it will redirect and things. Like instead of just loading the page it brings up the choose browser popup, and if I tell it to be default it makes itself the default browser for everything, disabling my ability to choose other browsers. So yeah.
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If your only beef with Opera is it loads everthing in Mobile veiw, a quick Google search will tell you how to fix that problem.
Go to "opera:config" in the address bar. go to user agent. Put "Opera/9.80 (linux;en) Prest/2.7.8.1 Version/ 11.00" Or any other user agent you would like.
The stock browser is really nice, but I don't like how it always runs in the background taking up 30 mb of memory since there is no feature, that I know of, to close it within the browser (unless you press the back button 100 times). Dolphin HD has an option to close the browser after using it. If the stock browser had this option it would be the #1 browser for sure.
Just my 2 cents.
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The stock browser is really nice, but I don't like how it always runs in the background taking up 30 mb of memory since there is no feature, that I know of, to close it within the browser (unless you press the back button 100 times). Dolphin HD has an option to close the browser after using it. If the stock browser had this option it would be the #1 browser for sure.
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That's not really a problem, since Android will automatically close it when it needs that space for another app (that's one of the fundamental components of an app's life cycle on Android). If the phone doesn't need that extra space for another application (say, you shut the screen down and it's sleeping), it won't impact battery life.
I've heard some people claim that empty RAM will be 'powered down'... but in practice I doubt that'll happen even if true: your phone's physical memory will become fragmented over time, resulting in usage spread across physical RAM (both from apps and from the Linux kernel). And it's not like RAM uses all that much energy anyways- if you're looking to optimize battery life and you're looking at RAM, you might wanna rethink your strategy...
Opera mobile with a desktop useragent is the best I've used yet.
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Opera mobile with a desktop useragent is the best I've used yet.
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Dolphin HD is by far the best I have used. With that being said, the stock browser is the second best.
I use both the stock and Dolphin HD extensively. I like Opera, Skyfire, and Firefox, but after having used them for a while I still go back to Dolphin HD and Stock.
Stock is the only one with GPU acceleration, hence the speed.
Unfortunately, its handling of tabs, zooming, etc. leaves much to be desired. Dolphin HD is fast enough.
s44 said:
Stock is the only one with GPU acceleration, hence the speed.
Unfortunately, its handling of tabs, zooming, etc. leaves much to be desired. Dolphin HD is fast enough.
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Do you guys have smooth scrolling with stock browser on 2.2 ROMS? I see a big step backwards from 2.1, and assume its from loss of GPU acceleration.
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Do you guys have smooth scrolling with stock browser on 2.2 ROMS? I see a big step backwards from 2.1, and assume its from loss of GPU acceleration.
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It's usually pretty smooth. However, there are times when it can get very choppy; usually when loading pages with lots of images and such. Come to think of it, 2.2 itself can become very choppy at times: something I never noticed on stock 2.1.
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It's usually pretty smooth. However, there are times when it can get very choppy; usually when loading pages with lots of images and such. Come to think of it, 2.2 itself can become very choppy at times: something I never noticed on stock 2.1.
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I find 2.2 browser scrolling choppy even on simple mobile pages. Good example is mobile ver of news.Google.com. When I test same site on my friends Vibrant or Captivate with 2.2, its silky smooth. Somehow Fascinate code branch lost some goodness, perhaps GPU acceleration. I blame the unholy MS Bing integration keeping Fascinate separate.
Actually, it may have been 2.2->2.2.1. I remember one of those had GPU acceleration on Samsung and the other didn't. Since the Vibrant and Captivate are still (officially) on 2.2, I guess it's the former.
Wonder if you could swap the apks.
I always come back to stock because I use apps for almost everything. XDA Premium and Tapatalk for forums. Wapedia for wikipedia. News apps for news, my banks own App, etc.
On the phone I'm doing simple web searches. Real research needing multiple tabs, extensions, etc happen on the computer.
Of the 'other' browsers I have spent the most time with Dolphin Mini and I don't see any speed improvement, if anything my impression is that stock is slightly faster.
Simple needs = simple browser.
So obviously I go to XDA everyday to look up information and post things. Well this has been huge chore for me with this device.
First off I have found that the dolphin browser slightly edges out the android browser for being the fastest. Even the dolphin browser can't handle quick replies and posting from the XDA 2010 browser very well. When I switch to the classic theme I am able to get more done. If I try to blaze away in the the 2010 theme I will get double button pushes and a ton of mis spellings.
This brings me to my next gripe. Say I write a block of text in a quick reply window and there are mis spellings (which there will be with a software keyboard) trying to fix these mistakes makes me want to throw my tablet at the guy sitting behind me a work. The little green arrow never lines up with the cursor, and when I go to move the cursor it is just all over the place and 2 seconds behind my finger presses on the screen.
I would remedy all of this by using the XDA App but it crashes constantly.
Also trying to do things such as login to Facebook and browse around make the device want to roll over and die. JESUS MY CELL PHONE HANDLES FULL HTML WEBSITES. I can honestly say that if the text editing were better I could live with not being able to run the 2010 theme. But why the hell does Facebook chug so hard? And why cant this damn thing load the 2010 theme???? Its a text website with minimal pictures!!!
so LOL
In editing that last post I realized that even though the arrow doesn't line up with the cursor it still functions correctly, you just have to deal with its random behaviour I guess. Also if you zoom considerably it helps a lot with text editing. Who woulda thought?
This still doesn't explain the poor performance on a lot of websites.
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So obviously I go to XDA everyday to look up information and post things. Well this has been huge chore for me with this device.
First off I have found that the dolphin browser slightly edges out the android browser for being the fastest. Even the dolphin browser can't handle quick replies and posting from the XDA 2010 browser very well. When I switch to the classic theme I am able to get more done. If I try to blaze away in the the 2010 theme I will get double button pushes and a ton of mis spellings.
This brings me to my next gripe. Say I write a block of text in a quick reply window and there are mis spellings (which there will be with a software keyboard) trying to fix these mistakes makes me want to throw my tablet at the guy sitting behind me a work. The little green arrow never lines up with the cursor, and when I go to move the cursor it is just all over the place and 2 seconds behind my finger presses on the screen.
I would remedy all of this by using the XDA App but it crashes constantly.
Also trying to do things such as login to Facebook and browse around make the device want to roll over and die. JESUS MY CELL PHONE HANDLES FULL HTML WEBSITES. I can honestly say that if the text editing were better I could live with not being able to run the 2010 theme. But why the hell does Facebook chug so hard? And why cant this damn thing load the 2010 theme???? Its a text website with minimal pictures!!!
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The XDA app is working fine for me, and judging by other people's signatures, it's the same for them too.
On the other hand, the general browser stability is pretty poor over all. Dolphin and the stock browser will just quit on me without warning. I was loving Moreno browser on my phone (Droid X), but, while it renders perfectly well, it FCs too much.
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I use opera, no real issues except with load time which feels slower.
As for keyboard I'm using the hacker's keyboard. I love it more than ASUS or default.
You can draw the green arrow around after it appears if you're having issues getting it to position correctly.
I had a problems with XDA where I could not navigate to the previous page.
Most site work fine but on XDA and Yahoo when I hit the back button, it only refresh the current page and stay there. This is both the default and Dolphin HD browser.
The only one that let me navigate to previous page is Opera, I use it when I don't need flash.
On a positive note I just update to Prime v1.4 ROM today and it seems to be much better. It's letting me navigate back.
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I had a problems with XDA where I could not navigate to the previous page.
Most site work fine but on XDA and Yahoo when I hit the back button, it only refresh the current page and stay there. This is both the default and Dolphin HD browser.
The only one that let me navigate to previous page is Opera, I use it when I don't need flash.
On a positive note I just update to Prime v1.4 ROM today and it seems to be much better. It's letting me navigate back.
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Im using the prime rom as well and haven't experienced any force closes or problems navigating back. Only the editing problems and overall slowness.
It feels like I'm using Windows 98 with Internet Explorer 6.
That said, most problems can be solved by rebooting.
Its a shame this is such a miss, given it's the primary reason for the device to exist for many people.
I can say it got significantly better with the 3.1 update and a modded rom, but its still not where it should be.
So far what works best for me is opera mobile in desktop mode. See site below in how to set it up.
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i played with a zoom just now in the local big box, it was smoother - which leads me to believe that this is an asus implementation issue...thoughts?
I own Xoom as well as Transformer. Stock browser lags like hell on some websites on both. Pretty sure its a Honeycomb thing.
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cerchiara said:
So far what works best for me is opera mobile in desktop mode. See site below in how to set it up.
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Well I was looking for this setting for quite a while! Now that I tried it I only found out that the dolphin browser is indeed still a little faster than opera. Thanks for the info though.
Would you say that they perform similarly performance wise?
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i played with a zoom just now in the local big box, it was smoother - which leads me to believe that this is an asus implementation issue...thoughts?
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I did too, back when everyone was 3.0.1. The zoom and a500 played smooth in YouTube app while my TF struggled, although my video quality was much better.
I wondered if zoom and a500 had different HQ settings, wondered if all were actually using 720p, if HQ mode was really 720p for all the devices, or some were 480p scaled to 720p. That would explain to me any performance differences. With 3.1, this now called HD.
My YouTube app at 720p full screen on TF 3.1 is very good, no need to O/C to improve this app. Browser is another story, but I'm not convinced it uses H/W acceleration (yet).
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seh6183 said:
Well I was looking for this setting for quite a while! Now that I tried it I only found out that the dolphin browser is indeed still a little faster than opera. Thanks for the info though.
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I find both dolphin and stock slower. Especially when scrolling. I only use dolphin when I need flash. Stock I removed.
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I did too, back when everyone was 3.0.1. The zoom and a500 played smooth in YouTube app while my TF struggled, although my video quality was much better.
I wondered if zoom and a500 had different HQ settings, wondered if all were actually using 720p, if HQ mode was really 720p for all the devices, or some were 480p scaled to 720p. That would explain to me any performance differences. With 3.1, this now called HD.
My YouTube app at 720p full screen on TF 3.1 is very good, no need to O/C to improve this app. Browser is another story, but I'm not convinced it uses H/W acceleration (yet).
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Interesting thoughts. The responsiveness increase I noticed was in stock browser and home screen usage.
Just an update.
I am currently using Opera forced in desktop mode only. This is the fastest scolling and zooming browser there is. The only thing I hate is how opera functions when selecting text off of a page to copy. It is really cheap. I also like the fact that I can add any search engine to the browser. I couldnt stand how every time I did a Google search it would search through Google mobile, so I just added the main Google search and all was fixed.
Typing on forums has been a breeze for the most part with opera, now if I can just find a way to use the Native copy and paste on web pages it will be almost perfect. At least when editing text or web page URLs it uses the native highlight feature.
I gave up. I really hope by tf2 both device and os have ironed out kinks.
I found this in one of the xoom forums
Type about:debug into browser bar
Nothing seems to happen
Go to menu>settings>debug
Disable opengl rendering
It's still not perfect but it is significantly better than it was for me
I'm no programmer so do any of you know what opengl does or if it will hinder the browser by disabling that function?
Disabling wide viewport makes the choppy page scrolling a bit more bearable
Does it affect any other performance?
Like the smoothness of page scrolling ... embedded YouTube playing ...
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I found this in one of the xoom forums
Type about:debug into browser bar
Nothing seems to happen
Go to menu>settings>debug
Disable opengl rendering
It's still not perfect but it is significantly better than it was for me
I'm no programmer so do any of you know what opengl does or if it will hinder the browser by disabling that function?
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Page scrolling is not as smooth
Viewing youtube videos in the browser doesn't work without it apparently
I'll probably keep it disabled for typing in forums and then toggle it on when i need it for videos. It feels pretty nice to have responsive keyboard presses
You know, I scratched my head thinking about this issue.
How is it possible this happened to a company like Google?
Didn't they test it?
I meant, come on! The problem is obvious and very easy to reproduce, they should have test the keyboard functionality on a web forum!
Probably they don't have test department ... or what???
Unbelievable
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Page scrolling is not as smooth
Viewing youtube videos in the browser doesn't work without it apparently
I'll probably keep it disabled for typing in forums and then toggle it on when i need it for videos. It feels pretty nice to have responsive keyboard presses
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It is pretty lame that I have to choose between typing and smooth page scrolling.
Until we get an update to fix the issue I'll keep turning opengl on and off accordingly.
I've tried other debug settings but to no avail
I haven't had (or maybe noticed due to the tracing input method) any keyboard lag using Swype. That was the first thing I installed after I powered up, so I can't compare with the stock keyboard. YMMV.
Also, you want to leave OpenGL enabled, as that is the hardware acceleration library. Would make sense that your page scrolling becomes choppy (and probably pegs your processor - and thus your battery - too). Maybe somebody more familiar with this can explain why there OpenGL would introduce keyboard lag.
Finally, it's annoying - very annoying sometimes - but Android and Google's products in general really are in a perpetual state of beta. It's irritating when you run into issues, but that's also how Android became the powerful (if unpolished at times) platform that it is today so quickly.
this is very annoying i dont know if i can put up with this lag. ive only had it for a day but i do alot of forum typing. might return it and reconsider something else
Most of my favorite forums use TapaTalk so I'm OK for now.
I've also gotten used to typing in a notepad app, then copy the text to the browser. I do that on my phone all the time. I mainly do it that way because I've responded to posts on my phone, hit the submit button, then the page does not load. Hit the back button & all my text is gone.
I've been copying to & from a notepad app for so long, it's not an issue for me at the time.
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Most of my favorite forums use TapaTalk so I'm OK for now.
I've also gotten used to typing in a notepad app, then copy the text to the browser. I do that on my phone all the time. I mainly do it that way because I've responded to posts on my phone, hit the submit button, then the page does not load. Hit the back button & all my text is gone.
I've been copying to & from a notepad app for so long, it's not an issue for me at the time.
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Lol I've had that happen to me so many times. Good way to get around it.
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I'm not sure what lag we're talking about. I am using swift key beta split keyboard and notice no lag.
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I'm not sure what lag we're talking about. I am using swift key beta split keyboard and notice no lag.
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Did you notice it with the stock keyboards? I've used those plus thumb keyboard and still get lag
OpenGL is the hardware acceleration library for Android. For an application like the browser, there can be two implementations of the "drawing" code for the application. If you wanted to draw some text on the screen, you could use either a bunch of standard text widgets, or you could render the text like a game would - with OpenGL. OpenGL lets you do things that a game would want to do, like scroll the text, rotate it, scale it, etc.
The OpenGL implementation of the browser would be much faster, and lets the device offload a lot of the graphical elements to the GPU.
Perhaps the problem here is that the keyboard (not OpenGL) is being composited on top of the OpenGL browser. That compositing implementation may be borked, or may be done in the CPU rather than the GPU.
So: Who's fault is it? Hard to say. It could be Google's implementation of compositing, or it could be the hardware vendors' (Samsung or Nvidia) implementation of OpenGL for their hardware.
I wonder if other OpenGL apps do the same thing. Someone find a game or graphic intensive application that also uses the stock keyboard and see if you get lag there, as well.
Great insight. I just won an ipad2 and immediately bought the xoom with intention if selling the ipad2 and breaking even, but this keyboard lag is killing me! The ipad2 is so much smoother. Google needs to iron these things out if they expect to make a dent in the tablet market.
scriptx said:
Great insight. I just won an ipad2 and immediately bought the xoom with intention if selling the ipad2 and breaking even, but this keyboard lag is killing me! The ipad2 is so much smoother. Google needs to iron these things out if they expect to make a dent in the tablet market.
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I agree with the lag issues in the web browser. Sometimes it's so bad, I tend to wonder if taking my iPad 2 back for the Tab was a wise decision. I really hope TouchWiz can address that issue.
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I really am not having this issue
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i use dolphin HD as my web browser until they sort the stock browsers lag out.
scoop_dtx said:
I'm not sure what lag we're talking about. I am using swift key beta split keyboard and notice no lag.
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I also use SwiftKey keyboard and notice plenty of lag. The so far stock has least amount of lag from the kb i've tried out
Is is just me, or is the text entry kind of pathetic on the browser of the tab
any desktop site, like.. Facebook , or XDA, typing lags always a second, so the words and letters typed will show up after you actually type, its not smooth at all...
*laughs hard*
I think there might have been a few discussions about this. Yeah, it's an issue. Dolphin or Opera Mini will work better.
So I think I may have a fix for this. I was digging around in the keyboard settings, and noticed that the Tab ships with "Samsung Keyboard" as the default. I switched mine back to the stock Android keyboard, and it's much better. Of course there are a bunch of replacement keyboards you can use as well, but the stock honeycomb keyboard seems much more responsive than the Samsung one.
So far the Android keyboard, Swiftkey, and Swype keyboards haven't made anything better for me.
I've seen some people say disabling OpenGL in the debug settings helps, but they also say it has some other performance side effects. So... I guess I'll be using Opera Mini for a while.
The Bookmarks widget though makes it real easy to use the stock browser bookmarks (synced from my desktop Chrome browser) real easy with Opera though, so I like that.
ya so far swype is tne worst. But problem ive been having is if i type too fast the keyboard suddenly closes and im constantly having to reopen it.... Its fuggin annoying.
I've been using thumb keyboard and no lag. Its able to keep up with me
i really don't think its keyboard related
I'm using stock hc keyboard
Divineblue try doing a quick reply here on ur tab and you'll see the lag
Its fine in Google search and mobile sites but just des on desktop sites like facebook etc
lag disappears in opera mini but its a slow loading browser and I can tell decreases page quality, also can't get facebook desktop to load, no user agent option
so the hc browser really sucks then and ia behind this text lag
Is this lag a general problem with HC? Do you guys think that it will be fixed?
I got this tab on friday I love it so far but this text entry lag is driving me insane.
Hawk777th said:
Is this lag a general problem with HC? Do you guys think that it will be fixed?
I got this tab on friday I love it so far but this text entry lag is driving me insane.
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It's HC. My Acer had they same issues.
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I use the thumb keyboard and stock browser. It lags like crazy, no different than using any other keyboard.
Has this been reported to Google?
Because of this issue alone, I postponed my purchase of any Android tablet
Web browsing accounts the most for my usage pattern. And I really hate any slow down for doing it.
See if this is fixed in the upcoming Android 3.2 (if it made to GTab) ... or hopefully ICS.
Is it at all lack of power from the Tegra or is it a glitch./-/
I bet on problem with Android Honeycomb.
It is really strange if Tegra does not have enough power on this!
We have a lot of Tegra phones and they don't have this issue. Sure, this is different OS, but that should show about "power".
Probably we need to wait for Android tablet Honeycomb that does not using Tegra.
And see if the problem still there.
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Is it at all lack of power from the Tegra or is it a glitch./-/
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lol its definitely not the tegra 2. Its honeycomb, this one is all google's fault. Kind of sad that google brags about their browser being the fastest than other browser and yet the honeycomb browser can't even handle text entry.
I get the same lag with the samsung keyboard attatchment i bought
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Google Issue 17353 seems its somthing to do with 3.1.
Here is the link:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
Please guys, chip in, report there and star it.
Hawk777th said:
Google Issue 17353 seems its somthing to do with 3.1.
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Yeah I see what you are talking about now
well done on the post above, i voted
I put my comments in that thread too..
The laggy text in the browser is total fail