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Through all this fog, let's find a glimmer of hope.

Okay, we DEFINITELY know that ATT (as expected), buzzkilled the SH*T out of the accessories for the Atrix. But, let's see possibilites of the future.
First off, I believe the phone can still be $149 if bought from CostCo/Bestbuy with the 2 year contract (hence, the proof of pictures and Amazon), and $199 through ATT. The accessory docks though... yeah, blew us out of the water.
Although, it's a tad bit early to say the least, to give up on these accessories (as for most people, the REAL deal killer is ATT's idiotic mindset that it is considered tethering your phone to an object that works only as good as my flashlight (laptop dock)). We have lots of brilliant minds waiting to get their hands on the dock (hopefully, if the pricing still wasn't enough to kill it), and there may be possible solutions for not having to get the tethering add-on price to it.
We all know many of us here already tether with our grandfather unlimited smartphone plan, what's the loss in trying it out with webtop.
Prerequisities:
We would have to find ways to buy the laptop dock not through ATT so they don't force change our precious current plans
Ideal:
We can use the laptop dock (regardless of price paid for the accessory) and we wouldn't have to be paying for the tethering add-on.
Possible Problems:
ATT and Motorola have figured out a way to "lock" laptop dock usage without the tethering plan. I've not the slightest clue as to how they will do it, but it's very possible.
Possible Solution:
Some devs find a way to bypass those requirements and we'd be able to use the dock scott-free. After that, we can treat it as how we treat how we tether our laptops.
So, we can look up to this, buy the Atrix for 149 or 199 JUST for now, and hope that in a couple of months there will be a solution to this madness. Hell, ATT may put it on sale because of low sell rate, or just competitive pricing, and by then some devs have figured out some ROMs that let us use the webtop app.
NOT ALL IS LOST YET GUYS..... WE DON'T NEED ATT!

Mark my words, bootloader will be locked far worse than on DroidX. They will encrypt the **** out of it.
This is the last straw, I'm spending my last days with AT&T and switching to VZW with MUCH better network, LTE, Xoom and Bionic.

I mean, it's still a bad ass phone by itself. I didn't plan on getting the docks either way, so I'll take my Atrix along with my unlimited data and have one of the best phones out there spec wise

antioch216 said:
I mean, it's still a bad ass phone by itself. I didn't plan on getting the docks either way, so I'll take my Atrix along with my unlimited data and have one of the best phones out there spec wise
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My thoughts, exactly (well, I don't have an unlimited data plan, but it's still a bad ass phone, and its price is OK).

PuerkitoBio said:
My thoughts, exactly (well, I don't have an unlimited data plan, but it's still a bad ass phone, and its price is OK).
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x3
It's still a really good phone. Basically a bionic with 1gb ram and finger scanner.
What happened to the 1gb ram thing is it actually 1 gb ram.
If not can some developers hack it so all the 1gb is used for android?

x4
you can be all pissed off at AT&T and be pessimistic about everything or you can take it for what it is.... a very powerful phone with a great display, lots of memory, lots of battery etc.

DarkDvr said:
Mark my words, bootloader will be locked far worse than on DroidX. They will encrypt the **** out of it. Xoom and Bionic.
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The Xoom and Bionic won't be locked down? Weird reasoning.

opensourcefan said:
x4
you can be all pissed off at AT&T and be pessimistic about everything or you can take it for what it is.... a very powerful phone with a great display, lots of memory, lots of battery etc.
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And a useless, horribly expensive laptop dock. Tethering? Hell no.
I'm torn, man. Pissed at the situation, but torn on what to do.
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For me, the glimmer of hope is that the most powerful and impressive phone to date can be bought on contract for $150-$200.
I never had a use for either dock.

SoberGuy said:
And a useless, horribly expensive laptop dock. Tethering? Hell no.
I'm torn, man. Pissed at the situation, but torn on what to do.
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yep I agree, IF the dock is not around $150 it's too much BUT I would forget about it and just look at the phone by itself. If alone the phone is not enough then I say move on, meaning, wait for a better phone to hit in a month or so. To me the phone alone seems like a great phone...as long as it itself is not too expensive... Time will tell I guess for all of us.
It is easier to be positive in my neck of the woods though cause I don't think Bell will block sideloading and tethering etc..

opensourcefan said:
yep I agree, IF the dock is not around $150 it's too much BUT I would forget about it and just look at the phone by itself. If alone the phone is not enough then I say move on, meaning, wait for a better phone to hit in a month or so. To me the phone alone seems like a great phone...as long as it itself is not too expensive... Time will tell I guess for all of us.
It is easier to be positive in my neck of the woods though cause I don't think Bell will block sideloading and tethering etc..
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They didn't block sideloading for Samsung's Galaxy S. Can't see why they'd do it for the Atrix. And waiting for a better phone in Canada may take way more than a month The only other "big phone" announced is Telus' Desire HD! That's so 2010...

The reason the laptop dock will require tethering is because it uses a full desktop Firefox browser, hence you will be loading full desktop websites. If you were to use your standard dataplan, loading full desktop websites will immediately eat into your data usage.
My $.02.

MacAlert said:
The reason the laptop dock will require tethering is because it uses a full desktop Firefox browser, hence you will be loading full desktop websites. If you were to use your standard dataplan, loading full desktop websites will immediately eat into your data usage.
My $.02.
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nope...don't buy it....if that was the case why doesn't the multimedia dock "need" tethering...because you can use the same full firefox browser on that....

xamievilx said:
nope...don't buy it....if that was the case why doesn't the multimedia dock "need" tethering...because you can use the same full firefox browser on that....
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Yep, that's ATT counterproducing itself. It's stupidity at it's finest.
I can picture how ATT thought about the pricing:
"Oh hey, the internet is mostly excited about the laptop dock and we are getting such a huge fanbase on our Atrix... Let's jack up the price of the laptop dock and add the so-called tethering on it... that'll DEFINITELY kill their joy."

amnigo said:
For me, the glimmer of hope is that the most powerful and impressive phone to date can be bought on contract for $150-$200.
I never had a use for either dock.
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Yea, if you aren't interested in the laptop dock then the phone is still a legit deal; I really, really wanted it though and the fact that it requires a tethering plan eliminates the possibilty of me geting it.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon

DarkDvr said:
Mark my words, bootloader will be locked far worse than on DroidX. They will encrypt the **** out of it.
This is the last straw, I'm spending my last days with AT&T and switching to VZW with MUCH better network, LTE, Xoom and Bionic.
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So efing true, But Im not going to CDMA, prob gonna wait for the Pyramid for TMOBILE

PuerkitoBio said:
They didn't block sideloading for Samsung's Galaxy S. Can't see why they'd do it for the Atrix.
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I realize you're talking about Bell here, but after talking to some folks with AT&T, I can confirm that sideloading is blocked on the Atrix, at least the AT&T version.

corneliusm said:
I realize you're talking about Bell here, but after talking to some folks with AT&T, I can confirm that sideloading is blocked on the Atrix, at least the AT&T version.
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It was on my Captivate, too. Until I got home and fixed that.
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johnnydeathmatch said:
It was on my Captivate, too. Until I got home and fixed that.
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Yeah, it's easy to fix using Sideload Wonder Machine or Droid Explorer.

xamievilx said:
nope...don't buy it....if that was the case why doesn't the multimedia dock "need" tethering...because you can use the same full firefox browser on that....
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I agree. I think the reasoning for the tethering requirement is quite simple: economics.
Look at it this way: If Motorola prices the dock at $500, and AT&T subsidizes the price down to $300 (if bought as a package), where will the $200 come from? Obviously it isn't in their interest to give away something for nothing, and AT&T obviously subsidizes devices in exchange for a contract. So I'm sure AT&T is figuring that the $200 discount should be made up for by paying for tethering.
The fact that Moto thinks the dock is worth $500 is still idiotic, however. The real dealbreaker of the tethering plan is the loss of unlimited data that's required for those of us that have it.
I would bet that the laptop dock drops in price pretty rapidly, especially since AT&T/Motorola are going to sell about four of them at that price.

WiFi Only XOOM "By late March/Early April"?

This according to a story from ByteNow.
First off, Staples will be selling the XOOM. Interesting.
The article says that in an "internal sales training memo" to Staples employees, the much desired WiFi only flavor of Honeycomb goodness will hit the market at the end of March or early April. This goes along with what another member posted here on XDA earlier who heard from a contact at Costco that the WiFi XOOM will launch 30 days after the 3G version goes on sale. (A theory from that same thread is that they are delaying it until the 30 day Verizon and 14 day BBY return period is over. If you buy at Costco, you have 90 days to return.)
This means that other retailers are also getting "internal memos" with details Motorola has failed to deliver. So if you're an employee and have access to one, let's get some confirmation. Find a memo and sneak a pic of that puppy!
Exciting days are ahead!

I don't think Verizon offers 30 days on tablets... pretty sure its just 14

You're right. I forgot they changed their policy and shortened the return window.
I wonder why they're waiting so long to release it, then. They need to get the dang thing out so we can all go buy one already!

arrtoodeetoo said:
You're right. I forgot they changed their policy and shortened the return window.
I wonder why they're waiting so long to release it, then. They need to get the dang thing out so we can all go buy one already!
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They want to get as many early adopters to shell out $800 as they can before they release the wifi only model. Also, I dont know how long they can wait and still introduce the wifi model at $600, because the 3g model will be on sale by mid April. Motorola is going to have to compete with a stampede of tablets being released around that time.

Yeah. It will be interesting to see how things play out. iPad 2 is supposed to be revealed March 2. If they follow last year's trend and price the comparable 32GB + WiFi Only Pad at $649, the XOOM will have already won at $600, but Toshiba might hit the mark at $500 with their version (Since they are also a hardware manufacturer, they have the luxury of selling a little cheaper). I was actually thinking about getting a Toshiba Honeycomb tab (the Antares?) until I found out the XOOM had an unlocked bootloader. That + all the features + vanilla Android = win.
I had planned on having a friend get me an employee discount at BBY, but I found out this Sunday that he doesn't work there anymore. I'll bet he still has friends there, though.

This would be awesome. I'm trying to hold off on buying one until after my exam block is over next week. I have no need for 3G, so waiting another 3-4 weeks after that wouldn't kill me if it lets me save $200!

Wifi Only
I was looking around on ebay today for accessories for the xoom and noticed that some are selling the wifi only version of xoom, so some places might have them sooner then we thought.
I found 1 listing that doesn't state it is a 3g model.

spoiledfree said:
I was looking around on ebay today for accessories for the xoom and noticed that some are selling the wifi only version of xoom, so some places might have them sooner then we thought.
I found 1 listing that doesn't state it is a 3g model.
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scam? tenchar

Prob so, but I did get a lil excited then thought about it and decided it cant be true. The prices there are crazy high.

Yea I am gonna get the 3g because...one...day.....I might need it. I always look ahead. I would love to save 200 but I am already with Verizon so if I ever needed service I could bump it onreal quick
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csseale said:
Yea I am gonna get the 3g because...one...day.....I might need it. I always look ahead. I would love to save 200 but I am already with Verizon so if I ever needed service I could bump it onreal quick
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Why don't you just tether?
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I'm wondering if tethering is possible (since it's ad-hoc). If not, I'm sure someone here on XDA will have tethering figured out before the end of the week.

arrtoodeetoo said:
I'm wondering if tethering is possible (since it's ad-hoc). If not, I'm sure someone here on XDA will have tethering figured out before the end of the week.
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ad-hoc tethering probably won't work. Do you not have a device capable of a proper infrastructure connection?

I have a rooted OG Droid. The wireless tether app for root users does ad-hoc. I even have issues getting my PC to connect to it sometimes. I've found that Barnacle Tether for root users works better, but it's also ad-hoc, I believe.

the wifi tether app, if i remember correctly, got an update to support infrastructure. I cant verify any phone besides the one in their description which says the Evo is supported.

Guess I have been in the dark
I thought I was going to buy a WI-FI only model in the morning... smh

Nope. Those greedy bastards are making us wait.
So, I can't tether with my OG Droid? I wonder if there will be a patch available for the XOOM that will allow it. I don't mind carrying around a Mini USB cable for wired tethering since just about everywhere I go has WiFi. Would be nice just to turn on the WiFi tether app and keep my Droid in my pocket, though.

If I have to wait 30 more days I might as well get the LG Slate.. Same specs + 3d.. Better screen

Moto, you got screwed by Verizon on this release. I would have bought the WiFi only in a heart beat, but waiting till April? Yeah, good move. Wait till iPad 2 is announced next Monday and the world forgets about your Xoom...genius, just genius!
Verizone, good going, make sure to promote whoever negotiated that deal with Moto!

i got it confirmed by a product manager from Costco that the Xoom wifi is coming in March.

Upgrade to 4G LTE

I plan on getting the 3G Xoom tomorrow but cancelling the data service. Would I still get the upgrade to LTE installed on my Xoom? Anybody knows how this is going to work?
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djunio said:
I plan on getting the 3G Xoom tomorrow but cancelling the data service. Would I still get the upgrade to LTE installed on my Xoom? Anybody knows how this is going to work?
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I'm not sure but some things to consider.
1. 4G LTE requires a SIM card and from what I've seen (in unboxing videos) there doesnt seem to be one from factory. Maybe it's mailed out to you.
2. The LTE upgrade is supposed to be of the OTA variety. Don't know if that's controlled by Moto or Verizon.

sim car is most likely used for connecting to the network ... euroland uses simcards like that. think LTE hardware(radio) is already inside. not sure tough

So its just a software upgrade?
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SmokeMasta said:
sim car is most likely used for connecting to the network ... euroland uses simcards like that. think LTE hardware(radio) is already inside. not sure tough
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LTE uses sim cards too. I remember Engadget pointing this out on a phone months ago. I'm sure the Xoom will require a sim when it's time to upgrade.

djunio said:
I plan on getting the 3G Xoom tomorrow but cancelling the data service. Would I still get the upgrade to LTE installed on my Xoom? Anybody knows how this is going to work?
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That's a good question. The upgrade to 4G LTE is supposed to be free. It will require you to either bring your device in to Verizon or you will have to have it shipped to have it upgraded.
If you do have to have it shipped, that will be a downer because you will end with some down time, at least 3 days.
I assume that you will need to be data plan subscriber in order to get the upgrade.
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You will have to send your xoom to moto to get your 4g as the xoom only comes with a 3g radio. If you look at the specifications it only comes with EV-DO radio.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ardware-upgrade-4g-software-patch-microsd-use
this is confirmation of that

socomdark said:
You will have to send your xoom to moto to get your 4g as the xoom only comes with a 3g radio. If you look at the specifications it only comes with EV-DO radio.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ardware-upgrade-4g-software-patch-microsd-use
this is confirmation of that
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I don't know if I'd call that confirmation. Seems very vague. That info was from CES Jan. 5th and those devices weren't even working models...a lot has changed since then.
My guess is that all they'll need is an LTE sim card which can loosely translate to "coming into a Verizon store for a hardware upgrade."

the upgrade requires sending the device in
it takes 6 business days
and will be available within 90 days
after that will have 6 months to do the upgrade or lose the "free upgrade"

atoy74 said:
I don't know if I'd call that confirmation. Seems very vague. That info was from CES Jan. 5th and those devices weren't even working models...a lot has changed since then.
My guess is that all they'll need is an LTE sim card which can loosely translate to "coming into a Verizon store for a hardware upgrade."
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i doubt that as i doubt moto is not comfortable enough letting reps change out radios. The store may send it to moto but ultimately moto is getting it.

on iamandroid one of the members works for a cell company
during a training webinar today he learned that the xoom would need to be shipped to motorola and shipped back.. at the customers expense

this website will also be available tomorrow. (2/24)
Verizonwireless.com/Xoom4GLTEUpgrade

That's gonna suck, might have to swap it for the wifi version now. I heard that as well but couldn't find anything solid.
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Yea I am not sending my **** away for a week. I will demand a 200$ refund

vzw's new tablet plan is...
any new or current tablet (like the tab) will be able to be subsidized for a $200 discount.
not quite what you were saying but yeah.

setite said:
on iamandroid one of the members works for a cell company
during a training webinar today he learned that the xoom would need to be shipped to motorola and shipped back.. at the customers expense
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Whoa. Is there any solid proof of this? If it's at the customer's expense, that's complete and total BS. I'm just in awe of how badly us consumers are getting screwed by this device.

droid life confirms that you have to send it
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/2...4g-lte-upgrade-process-for-the-motorola-xoom/

setite said:
during a training webinar today he learned that the xoom would need to be shipped to motorola and shipped back.. at the customers expense
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droid life confirms that you have to send it
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/2...4g-lte-upgrade-process-for-the-motorola-xoom/
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"The upgrade is free of charge including shipping and handling."

dont have to change your plan either so rumors of having to pay more for 4g plan is now squashed

and you guys didn't believe me...?
lol i said it two hours ago

Everyone who snagged it for $600 and have no intentions of using 3G, question:

Do you plan on sending it in for the free 4G upgrade? I think I will, only because in 2 years when its time for an upgrade and Im trying to sell it, it'll probably fetch a higher price.

Yes, I sniped the deal and as of now I have no intentions of using cellular data. Most likely I will send it in to get the 4G modem.
1) Because I may decide I may want it someday.
2) Apparently, there's only a 90 day window after they offer the upgrade to do it. I'd like to get it done in case I decide to sell it.

The upgrade should start in roughly 90 days, but the window is six month from that date.

Has anyone seen exactly where all our Xooms will be need to be shipped for this upgrade? I'm assuming that the address is in the states (or else Motorola is even crazier than we thought), but I was just wondering if anyone had seen which city/state they would all be going to.

droidtacular said:
Has anyone seen exactly where all our Xooms will be need to be shipped for this upgrade? I'm assuming that the address is in the states (or else Motorola is even crazier than we thought), but I was just wondering if anyone had seen which city/state they would all be going to.
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You can ship it to my house

droidtacular said:
Has anyone seen exactly where all our Xooms will be need to be shipped for this upgrade? I'm assuming that the address is in the states (or else Motorola is even crazier than we thought), but I was just wondering if anyone had seen which city/state they would all be going to.
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Probably where Motorola Mobility is headquartered in Libertyville Il.

legato89 said:
Do you plan on sending it in for the free 4G upgrade? I think I will, only because in 2 years when its time for an upgrade and Im trying to sell it, it'll probably fetch a higher price.
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I think this it's what's gonna make the sd card work too, if that's the case everyone should send them in.
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No. I will not be shipping it back for the 4G upgrade.
As far as I'm concerned, it'll be the $600 WiFi only XOOM that I wanted Moto to release on launch day. I raised my voice on multiple forums on behalf of the large majority who want a WiFi version, giving solid, valid reasons why Moto needed to release the WiFi version at launch or shortly after. I even got responses from a Moto employee on Engadget and from Matt at the official forum, who both said our concerns were 'being heard' by their superiors. Yet we still only have rumors to go on, and the only official news we have about a WiFi version is that Europe will be getting it in Q2. Since Motorola is failing to give us any info (despite at least 15 messages a day on their twitter asking them directly about it), we can only assume this means that Motorola doesn't plan on releasing the WiFi version here until Europe has it. Fail!
So, do I feel bad about getting a $200 discount? No. For one thing, I thought it was legit until I saw the update on Droid-Life. For another thing, they should have released the WiFi version and they probably wouldn't have had people looking for exploits to save money on their $150 markup (probably more since each 3G radio is under $50 for them).
Sorry for the rant.
*Steps off of soap box*
Carry on.

I'm planning to send my back for the 4G modem.
Has anyone received it yet? On the Track Packages page, the "Items Shipped On:" is blank. When I go to view order, it says shipped on February 24 via one day shipping but no tracking number button. The estimated delivery is Monday - Tuesday.

arrtoodeetoo said:
As far as I'm concerned, it'll be the $600 WiFi only XOOM that I wanted Moto to release on launch day.
Carry on.
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I'm with you on that and have no intention of using it for 3G/4G but I'm sending it back thinking it may be needed for something in the future so all models have the same hardware.

I hate you all. I prepaid it in advance, and bouhgt it on launch day, only to see "those that didn't do so get 200 bucks off"...
I was too busy playing with it to check the news sites that day, and missed the window.
/cry

Im sending mines purely to raise the resale value.
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ixobelle said:
I hate you all. I prepaid it in advance, and bouhgt it on launch day, only to see "those that didn't do so get 200 bucks off"...
I was too busy playing with it to check the news sites that day, and missed the window.
/cry
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Sorry, dude. I know how you feel. It seems like I ALWAYS miss stuff like this, but it's nice to get lucky for once. It's actually the first time I've ever snagged a deal like this (and I've seen lots of online deals caused by mistakes and BARELY missed them. It's frustrating.) My brother caught a 'mistake' deal from Best Buy a few years ago, and all of his friends were pissed, too. lol

I don't use 3G but I'll be doing the update because I plan on selling my Xoom next year when we start seeing quad core tablets.

Wifi/3g models - using them wifi only

This might be a silly question, but with the Xoom slowing aging through the system, many of the wifi/3g models are coming off of contract and becoming available on the resale/refurb market.
So the question is whether these wifi/3g models are decent deals and perfectly suited for people who are looking for wifi only (like myself) and if they will work normally at hotspots and other wifi enabled locations without the need of a cellular contract on them?
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Robyn

Well I just ordered a used 3g xoom from Amazon for $400. It comes with everything that was included in the box with two extras. The extras being the portfolio case and the dock which make the find even sweeter for me. Yes a 3g or 4G xoom can work on wifi without a contract without a problem.
I missed the Woot deal for the wifi-only, but I ended up finding this one with a little searching.
Yes I did previously owned a wifi only xoom but returned it because I knew I could get a better deal online. $420 for a wifi-only xoom at walmart on clearance wasn't a good deal to me. I would say you can find a used xoom in good condition in the following price ranges:
Used Wifi-only= around $300
Used 3g or 4G = around $400
New wifi only from Woot = $320
Tips:
1. read the descriptions and details to see if the seller includes extras such as cases, docks, additional charger and etc. The extra $10-20 may be worth it.
2. If ordering a 3g or 4G xoom you may want to check the imei or whatever it is labeled number of the device with verizon to ensure that the device is not stolen. (I didn't do this because the seller had good ratings. This may be more worth it for craigslist or ebay purchases from small sellers with little or no rating)
3. Check the forums, amazon (in the used tab), ebay, craigslist and etc. Shop around. I missed the $320 Woot deal for a new/refurb wifi-only but found what I believe to be a better deal which was $398 for a 3g used/like new xoom with case and dock included along with the original accessories. $80 more is worth the 3g, case and dock to me (I will be tethering my phone for most of the time) . It may have some warranty left but I usually void them so that does matter to me (custom roms + overclocking = win) .
I hope you find this information useful and good luck!
Oh last thing. I heard if you had an 4G LTE phone from verizon, you can put the sim from your phone in your xoom and use it for data. The I am unsure if this is true but will let you know with I get mine. I have a HTC Thunderbolt.

Thanks for the rundown.
That was the thought process I have been running through
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