Okay, we DEFINITELY know that ATT (as expected), buzzkilled the SH*T out of the accessories for the Atrix. But, let's see possibilites of the future.
First off, I believe the phone can still be $149 if bought from CostCo/Bestbuy with the 2 year contract (hence, the proof of pictures and Amazon), and $199 through ATT. The accessory docks though... yeah, blew us out of the water.
Although, it's a tad bit early to say the least, to give up on these accessories (as for most people, the REAL deal killer is ATT's idiotic mindset that it is considered tethering your phone to an object that works only as good as my flashlight (laptop dock)). We have lots of brilliant minds waiting to get their hands on the dock (hopefully, if the pricing still wasn't enough to kill it), and there may be possible solutions for not having to get the tethering add-on price to it.
We all know many of us here already tether with our grandfather unlimited smartphone plan, what's the loss in trying it out with webtop.
Prerequisities:
We would have to find ways to buy the laptop dock not through ATT so they don't force change our precious current plans
Ideal:
We can use the laptop dock (regardless of price paid for the accessory) and we wouldn't have to be paying for the tethering add-on.
Possible Problems:
ATT and Motorola have figured out a way to "lock" laptop dock usage without the tethering plan. I've not the slightest clue as to how they will do it, but it's very possible.
Possible Solution:
Some devs find a way to bypass those requirements and we'd be able to use the dock scott-free. After that, we can treat it as how we treat how we tether our laptops.
So, we can look up to this, buy the Atrix for 149 or 199 JUST for now, and hope that in a couple of months there will be a solution to this madness. Hell, ATT may put it on sale because of low sell rate, or just competitive pricing, and by then some devs have figured out some ROMs that let us use the webtop app.
NOT ALL IS LOST YET GUYS..... WE DON'T NEED ATT!
Mark my words, bootloader will be locked far worse than on DroidX. They will encrypt the **** out of it.
This is the last straw, I'm spending my last days with AT&T and switching to VZW with MUCH better network, LTE, Xoom and Bionic.
I mean, it's still a bad ass phone by itself. I didn't plan on getting the docks either way, so I'll take my Atrix along with my unlimited data and have one of the best phones out there spec wise
antioch216 said:
I mean, it's still a bad ass phone by itself. I didn't plan on getting the docks either way, so I'll take my Atrix along with my unlimited data and have one of the best phones out there spec wise
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My thoughts, exactly (well, I don't have an unlimited data plan, but it's still a bad ass phone, and its price is OK).
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My thoughts, exactly (well, I don't have an unlimited data plan, but it's still a bad ass phone, and its price is OK).
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It's still a really good phone. Basically a bionic with 1gb ram and finger scanner.
What happened to the 1gb ram thing is it actually 1 gb ram.
If not can some developers hack it so all the 1gb is used for android?
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you can be all pissed off at AT&T and be pessimistic about everything or you can take it for what it is.... a very powerful phone with a great display, lots of memory, lots of battery etc.
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Mark my words, bootloader will be locked far worse than on DroidX. They will encrypt the **** out of it. Xoom and Bionic.
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The Xoom and Bionic won't be locked down? Weird reasoning.
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you can be all pissed off at AT&T and be pessimistic about everything or you can take it for what it is.... a very powerful phone with a great display, lots of memory, lots of battery etc.
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And a useless, horribly expensive laptop dock. Tethering? Hell no.
I'm torn, man. Pissed at the situation, but torn on what to do.
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For me, the glimmer of hope is that the most powerful and impressive phone to date can be bought on contract for $150-$200.
I never had a use for either dock.
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And a useless, horribly expensive laptop dock. Tethering? Hell no.
I'm torn, man. Pissed at the situation, but torn on what to do.
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yep I agree, IF the dock is not around $150 it's too much BUT I would forget about it and just look at the phone by itself. If alone the phone is not enough then I say move on, meaning, wait for a better phone to hit in a month or so. To me the phone alone seems like a great phone...as long as it itself is not too expensive... Time will tell I guess for all of us.
It is easier to be positive in my neck of the woods though cause I don't think Bell will block sideloading and tethering etc..
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yep I agree, IF the dock is not around $150 it's too much BUT I would forget about it and just look at the phone by itself. If alone the phone is not enough then I say move on, meaning, wait for a better phone to hit in a month or so. To me the phone alone seems like a great phone...as long as it itself is not too expensive... Time will tell I guess for all of us.
It is easier to be positive in my neck of the woods though cause I don't think Bell will block sideloading and tethering etc..
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They didn't block sideloading for Samsung's Galaxy S. Can't see why they'd do it for the Atrix. And waiting for a better phone in Canada may take way more than a month The only other "big phone" announced is Telus' Desire HD! That's so 2010...
The reason the laptop dock will require tethering is because it uses a full desktop Firefox browser, hence you will be loading full desktop websites. If you were to use your standard dataplan, loading full desktop websites will immediately eat into your data usage.
My $.02.
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The reason the laptop dock will require tethering is because it uses a full desktop Firefox browser, hence you will be loading full desktop websites. If you were to use your standard dataplan, loading full desktop websites will immediately eat into your data usage.
My $.02.
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nope...don't buy it....if that was the case why doesn't the multimedia dock "need" tethering...because you can use the same full firefox browser on that....
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nope...don't buy it....if that was the case why doesn't the multimedia dock "need" tethering...because you can use the same full firefox browser on that....
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Yep, that's ATT counterproducing itself. It's stupidity at it's finest.
I can picture how ATT thought about the pricing:
"Oh hey, the internet is mostly excited about the laptop dock and we are getting such a huge fanbase on our Atrix... Let's jack up the price of the laptop dock and add the so-called tethering on it... that'll DEFINITELY kill their joy."
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For me, the glimmer of hope is that the most powerful and impressive phone to date can be bought on contract for $150-$200.
I never had a use for either dock.
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Yea, if you aren't interested in the laptop dock then the phone is still a legit deal; I really, really wanted it though and the fact that it requires a tethering plan eliminates the possibilty of me geting it.
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Mark my words, bootloader will be locked far worse than on DroidX. They will encrypt the **** out of it.
This is the last straw, I'm spending my last days with AT&T and switching to VZW with MUCH better network, LTE, Xoom and Bionic.
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So efing true, But Im not going to CDMA, prob gonna wait for the Pyramid for TMOBILE
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They didn't block sideloading for Samsung's Galaxy S. Can't see why they'd do it for the Atrix.
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I realize you're talking about Bell here, but after talking to some folks with AT&T, I can confirm that sideloading is blocked on the Atrix, at least the AT&T version.
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I realize you're talking about Bell here, but after talking to some folks with AT&T, I can confirm that sideloading is blocked on the Atrix, at least the AT&T version.
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It was on my Captivate, too. Until I got home and fixed that.
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It was on my Captivate, too. Until I got home and fixed that.
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Yeah, it's easy to fix using Sideload Wonder Machine or Droid Explorer.
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nope...don't buy it....if that was the case why doesn't the multimedia dock "need" tethering...because you can use the same full firefox browser on that....
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I agree. I think the reasoning for the tethering requirement is quite simple: economics.
Look at it this way: If Motorola prices the dock at $500, and AT&T subsidizes the price down to $300 (if bought as a package), where will the $200 come from? Obviously it isn't in their interest to give away something for nothing, and AT&T obviously subsidizes devices in exchange for a contract. So I'm sure AT&T is figuring that the $200 discount should be made up for by paying for tethering.
The fact that Moto thinks the dock is worth $500 is still idiotic, however. The real dealbreaker of the tethering plan is the loss of unlimited data that's required for those of us that have it.
I would bet that the laptop dock drops in price pretty rapidly, especially since AT&T/Motorola are going to sell about four of them at that price.
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Im thinking of getting the drod x on july 19th. My contract with tmobile expires on july fourth so ill probably sell the nexus for it. What do you guys think? Is it a major upgrade? It has 4.3 inch screen and seems better than the evo.
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Im thinking of getting the drod x on july 19th. My contract with tmobile expires on july fourth so ill probably sell the nexus for it. What do you guys think? Is it a major upgrade? It has 4.3 inch screen and seems better than the evo.
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I say go for it. Don't see why not.. your contract expires.. seems pretty perfect.
Phone looks great but think that CDMA is outdated. No data and voice at the same time. Useless phone if you travel to Europe....
no voice+data= no sale
having people who call getting dumped to voicemail because I'm using data is not cool
besides I'm personally not ready to go back to a carrier device
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no voice+data= no sale
having people who call getting dumped to voicemail because I'm using data is not cool
besides I'm personally not ready to go back to a carrier device
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If your browsing the web and someone calls, they get forwarded to voicemail?!
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If your browsing the web and someone calls, they get forwarded to voicemail?!
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Ofcourse not. He just meant that you can't check movie times or what not while you're on a call. I guess in theory it's nice to do both but to be fair I never have found myself in a situation where I am so bored with someones phone conversation that I just start surfing the web mid-call. Ok....maybe once.
The real CDMA deal breaker for me is traveling abroad.
I also hate Moto since they locked the bootloader of the Milestone.
I would wait and see how the rooting/custom rom effort comes along.
The droid has great community, just make sure Moto doesn't follow up on their bad habbits!
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Ofcourse not. He just meant that you can't check movie times or what not while you're on a call. I guess in theory it's nice to do both but to be fair I never have found myself in a situation where I am so bored with someones phone conversation that I just start surfing the web mid-call. Ok....maybe once.
The real CDMA deal breaker for me is traveling abroad.
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What about tethering?I believe this might be what he was referring to...
A HSDPA version of the Droid X would be nice, like the Milestone, but ONLY if they leave the boot loader unlockable this time. CDMA is effectively dead in Canada now with only legacy contracts still using the old networks.
It seems like Motorola uses good components in their phones and their build quality is very good, but I don't care for their tacked on UI and would only get the phone if I knew it was possible to load something like CyanogenMod on it. The Nexus One has spoiled me.
I'm constantly intrigued by the design of the Droid and now the Droid X and Droid 2, but I just can't stomach a contract and the outrageous Verizon plans. I'll stick with my Nexus and cheap T-mo data for now.
If your browsing the web and someone calls, they get forwarded to voicemail?!
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Ofcourse not. He just meant that you can't check movie times or what not while you're on a call. I guess in theory it's nice to do both but to be fair I never have found myself in a situation where I am so bored with someones phone conversation that I just start surfing the web mid-call. Ok....maybe once.
The real CDMA deal breaker for me is traveling abroad.
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I do it. All the time. At least once a day.
And also I'm with ya on the whole cdma bull****. Its such an outdated technology. And I hate Verizon. And I hate carrier devices. I hate carrier branding.
That's why I love the nexus one and att
That's why ill buy the nexus two. And I know I mentioned that I'm gonna buy iPhone 4 but I've been thinking. Apple can go screw its self. nexus pwns it.
More interesting question is anybody thinking about getting the Galaxy S?
Technically, GSM 3G is a flavor of CDMA...just allows for simultaneous voice and data because of the way it's configured. However, GSM networks can still be configured to only allow voice or data at once, they just happen to have been set up originally to allow them both. The ironic part of it is just that nobody knew when they set up the network that it would be this way and it would end up being such a huge deal - lucky break for AT&T.
If root is easy it will surely boost sales (I hope manufacturers understand this).
Very good specs, but lets wait for an actual device in-depth review
the droid X can plan .AVI FILES!!!!!! also comes with a multitouch keyboard
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/15/exclusive-motorola-droid-x-preview/
Meh, I'll pass.
I think it's rather fugly.
Nexus
It's time for Nexus 2!
Sorry, you can keep the tablet phones...
Little too big for my daily use. And we need more detailed specs & benchmarks for validation.
i think these devices are way too big. Ive played with the Evo and this is bigger?! I thought the Evo was big and clunky. Maybe something just a lil bit bigger than my N1 would be my limit. I think Android has this thing where they think bigger is better. I dont wanna hold that thing in my pocket? These things are ganna be tablets size soon
Rom Cookers...GO!!!!
Get Source Here!
##incredibleroms
I had a feeling it would drop today...there's an event going on right now:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/live-from-verizons-motorola-droid-x-event/?sort=newest&refresh=20
What is "aosp"? :/
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What is "aosp"? :/
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Android Open Source Project
Thanks alot aaronjb
NICE!!!!
Now i just need to get the kernel working....
1:41PM "If you're a third party developer who's built an app for Android, you can talk to it from the cloud." Talking up Froyo -- it's being open-sourced as of today.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/l...est&refresh=60
edit: 1:45PM Droid X will ship on July 15th for $199, but it won't come with Froyo or Flash -- that's coming "later this summer."
1:45PM Droid X will ship on July 15th for $199, but it won't come with Froyo or Flash -- that's coming "later this summer."
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"later this summer" isn't so bad though.. although thats when its going on the Droid x, i wonder when htc will have their finger pulled out.
btw 23rd right on time lol.
i feel pretty hosed.. i had tmobile... i came to verizon for two reasons... one was that my tmobile service sucked and verizon has way better coverage... secondly is specificly for the droid incredible...
now right when i get my incredible and am locked into my contract (just finished my first 30 days) a new better phone comes out a month later... it may not necessarily be "better".. however i would much prefer the 4.3" screen
$29.99 for Unlimited data plan, plus $20 for wifi tethering which gives you an additional 2 Gigs of data...
So basically what they mean is, you will have unlimited data on your phone, however, if you want to tether you have to pay us $20 a month extra, oh, and by the way... If you're tether, it's not unlimited data, that's just for your phone... but don't worry, we'll only charge you 5 CENTS a megabyte! if you go over... (that equates to $50 a Gigabyte if you go over while wifi tethering)
Yes, it has wifi hotspots for up to 5 devices natively... However, you better hope 5 devices aren't using your phone for wifi... cause you're going to pay for it... and quickly.
Won't they be mad when the moding community roots the phone and enables wifi-tethering without consent...
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i feel pretty hosed.. i had tmobile... i came to verizon for two reasons... one was that my tmobile service sucked and verizon has way better coverage... secondly is specificly for the droid incredible...
now right when i get my incredible and am locked into my contract (just finished my first 30 days) a new better phone comes out a month later... it may not necessarily be "better".. however i would much prefer the 4.3" screen
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Welcome to the Smartphone world. That's why I just save my pennies and buy the things outright. Yes, it's that important to me to be on the bleeding edge. Top Ramen + Mac n Cheese for a month = New toy when I want it.
compnird said:
Welcome to the Smartphone world. That's why I just save my pennies and buy the things outright. Yes, it's that important to me to be on the bleeding edge. Top Ramen + Mac n Cheese for a month = New toy when I want it.
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Yeah, I usually get a new phone every six months. You just get used to paying full price. I always buy them on eBay and can usually save $100 or $200 off the retail price as people that are eligible for upgrades are always getting phones and then selling them on eBay for a profit.
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Welcome to the Smartphone world. That's why I just save my pennies and buy the things outright. Yes, it's that important to me to be on the bleeding edge. Top Ramen + Mac n Cheese for a month = New toy when I want it.
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Don't forget "Re-purposing soap as shampoo AND condition"
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Don't forget "Re-purposing soap as shampoo AND condition"
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I'm putting my dumpster-diving safesuit on right now, complete with ziplock bag for my DI. You guys clearly don't want it enough
Joe92T said:
i feel pretty hosed.. i had tmobile... i came to verizon for two reasons... one was that my tmobile service sucked and verizon has way better coverage... secondly is specificly for the droid incredible...
now right when i get my incredible and am locked into my contract (just finished my first 30 days) a new better phone comes out a month later... it may not necessarily be "better".. however i would much prefer the 4.3" screen
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I purchased my incredible in complete confidence because i knew full well that there was something similar to ,if not better than, the Evo on the horizon for verizon. I chose the incredible because it had everything that i wanted/needed.
Most people probable aren't as picky about the form factor of their phones but i didn't want something as big as the Evo and certainly not something bigger like the droid x.
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I'm putting my dumpster-diving safesuit on right now, complete with ziplock bag for my DI. You guys clearly don't want it enough
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Oh man, I could totally go for a good dumpster dive right now. And soap? Who needs soap? I've got enough hotel soaps, shampoo and conditioner to last me a few years!
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Most people probable aren't as picky about the form factor of their phones but i didn't want something as big as the Evo and certainly not something bigger like the droid x.
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Ditto. I don't have big hands, and if I wanted an internet tablet-sized phone, I'd have bought a Nokia and felt superior to all And why all this angst about not having a 4.3"? Isn't their resolution essentially the same as ours?
So who is going to compile a vanilla froyo rom from source?
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So who is going to compile a vanilla froyo rom from source?
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Hopefully Cyanogen
I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
patience young padawan...
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
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Came updated with the latest update that bricked my first phone.....i really miss the wifi tether and flashing new roms...
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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Sprint sells us unlimited data and you're sad when people use it? What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
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Never really thought about that, but I guess they could handle that the way Google handles Gmail memory. Maybe take the total available and divide that by the number of users, add another gig or 2 to be safe? As the network improves, that cap should go up. Gmail handles it like that, your memory cap is slowly climbing as more becomes available.
I realize bandwidth and storage capacity are 2 different things because of things like peek usage hours and whatnot. However I am sure they could come to a reasonable formula with that approach.
Is it cool if we take up a collection for the first team/dev to crack it? The devs definately deserve it (although many might not even want the money), so it seems like they should get something and we help kick up the motivation a notch as well. Maybe this is a no-no, idk. Just a thought
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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I guess you like bending over or being bent over (by Sprint or otherwise) without been taken out on a date first eh. bad joke, don't take offence eh. Geez...but isn't that what you're being charged extra premium data for?
I picked up an Evo for my girlfriend yesterday and asked them not to put the update on because I didn't have time for it to complete. I said I'd just do it at home. Took it home and rooted that bad boy so fast.
you can't just flash back to the stock rom and reroot?
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
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i don't know about you but i'm paying $70 a month for Premium unlimited data and if i want to use it then i will. tethering by wire doesn't take an extra $30, that's for the wifi hotspot feature. use PDAnet app or something similar. on a recent vacation i grabbed 6GB of HDTV shows overnight on 3G, no problem. i'd use 4G if it was up and running in a place i could use it but that hasn't been an option yet. even on 3G it wouldn't be hard to download 100GB a month with a little effort.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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I have a problem with charging extra for tethering and object to it on moral grounds. I believe it is a violation of the concept net neutrality and an illogical charge at that. The only reason people are not up in arms about it is that they don't think of cell carriers as ISPs yet, but that's what they are.
If I download something knot my phone and later transfer it to my computer, is that against sprint's tos? If I do that same thing in an automated way is it a violation? Because that's what tethering is.
Only a matter of time until someone cracks it. The Android dev community is too powerful.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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i like the analogy there, good stuff. were paying for unlimited data so they can just deal with it.
My stance isn't to protect poor little Sprint from evil users. It's more of an issue I have with people "pissing in the punch" as it were. If we do lose "Unlimited" it will because the few people that gorge themselves. Also when Sprint makes an unlimited plan for phones, I am sure they have the actually device in mind. You can only realistically consume so much data using the actual phone. Its not till you hook the phone up to other devices that your data will skyrocket.
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point. I understand were you guys are coming from, I just think its a bit short sighted.
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point.
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But, its not a privilege or a side of the coin. We payed for UNLIMITED! What is wrong with using UNLIMITED??
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AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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Actually, AT&T never had unlimited (5GB cap). Same with Verizon. Sprint has said 5GB cap as well in their 'unlimited' data plans (with the exception of the Evo, where it's written out specifically), but they very rarely ever enforced it. AT&T and Verizon will charge you up the rear if you go over.
So no, none of the providers ever had unlimited data. It's just a question of their policies.
Also, keep in mind that downloading really isn't the problem. It's uploading that screws with everyone's connection. So for those of you who are running torrents on your connection, STOP. You can and will cause data issues for everyone else on the node, as there's a limited amount of upload bandwith to go around.
So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
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The N1 is amazing, especially coming from something like the mytouch3G. The Nexus one (tmobile version) can be bought as a Dev phone currently from Google at the normal price ($529) plus a $25 developer activation fee. You certainly wont regret the N1 if you decide to get it.
Another good Tmobile phone is the Vibrant, in general it meets if not slightly beat the nexus one in many departments even without froyo's JIT. And you can get a Vibrant for a little less then the $550 you would pay for a Nexus One.
Of course both can be found on Craigslist or ebay at a huge degree of different prices also.
Nothing I can think of that would cause any major price drops in the near future. ALSO there is the new HSPA+ flagphone that will be out soon that I'm certainly interested in.
My advise is to look at the tmobile android lineup (curent and future) and see if you know of anyone or go to the store and see if you can test them and if you like them more then the mytouch.
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Best phone ever best android experience as well
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To put this as objectively as possible coming from a n1 user. The nexus one is a nice phone if you're very into customizing, from my knowledge of android devices, it's the top for modding. However it all depends on what you're going to be doing on the phone. For example if you're going to be playing games that require multitouch (nova) then it does have an issue with its multitouch. To some that's not an issue cause they don't game to others it is. The other major issue that I see at least for me is the small internal storage space. 512mb, really google? That's just two of the issues that I would really liked to be different, they're the only real issues for me. An hdmi out would be nice, but I wouldn't use it that much i'm assuming so it's not a deal breaker for me, same thing with a front facing camera.
But then you have things like the trackball that's nice for notifications, the screen size is just right, it's powerful and everything AND it gets all the updates first! It has a flash, the camera is pretty good actually (even though I hate cell cameras).
The only device on T-mobile that I can see as being another option would be the samsung vibrant, especially if you plan to play games on it, since it doesn't have the multitouch issue, and the gpu is really powerful. Problems with the device for me is the lack of a flash for the vibrant.
As for is it worth it? Well that depends on if spending the money is worth it and if you're going to get another phone anyways, yes the n1 is a great phone if you can overlook the multitouch issue and the small internal storage space.
EDIT: one more issue that I have with the n1 is that the audio is kinda bad, the speakers are quiet, and the headphone's sound is also quiet. Just wish the sound could be up'ed more so that it's a reasonable sound quality. Just seems more quieter than other android phones that I've had.
htc420 said:
So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
edit: mods I realized I posted this in the wrong forum, please feel free to move it.
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Either get the N1 right now, it's still an amazing phone, and I see NOTHING in market right now that I'd trade it for.
Or, wait several months for next gen to come out, something with an even stronger CPU, maybe even gingerbread around Christmas. And NO, it won't be called a Nexus Two.
Me, I'm wating for that second option. No smartphone/PDA on the market today appeals to me as an upgrade.
unfortunately price wont drop for a while, it's now a dev phone. but once you have it in ur hand, im sure ud feel the price was worth it. you can always sell the N1 too with if you dont like it. and if you're geek enough, have a flashing addiction of nightlies, constantly making trying out something new with ur phone, this should be it.
I was in your same position. I got the My Touch 3g 1.2. And it was awesome, but I read somewhere that it was like a mini Nexus One and that made me more curious. I sold the phone soon after, and found a Nexus One, and it really is an incredible device, with an operating system built and tested specially or it (FRF91). The one downside is that you have to worry about the Nexus One a bit more. When my ipod is dead, the MT3G was ok for the gym, but not the N1. It has actually forced me to take better care of my phone, and other devices in general. It was a good decision, for sure.
Most of the upcoming Android phones seem to be rebuilt versions of this phone, and the N1 is still expected to get most updates, app add-ons and functions first. All dual core processor phones are still a long way away and are only rumored devices. If you are extremely patient you could wait it out, or just buy the N1 and sell it in a year.
One item on the list "to consider" might be - Nexus will be the 1st existing device to get Gingerbread update, probably by a considerable time margin.
If you're not gonna use data, I wouldn't drop money on a nexus one or a top of the line smartphone for that matter.
dooo it! my touch3g is old and slow!!!!
Buying a Nexus One for $554 plus tax without a data plan would be absolute and downright insanity.
Wouldn't do it without a data plan!
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If you're not gonna use data, I wouldn't drop money on a nexus one or a top of the line smartphone for that matter.
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Wouldn't do it without a data plan!
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Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
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no there is nothing limited by not having a data plan. and if you are near wifi all day then its will be just the same. but when you're driving in your car and want to use navigation, or look something up on google maps, wifi isnt gonna help you. that's what they're saying.
and yes you can add a data plan anytime without extending your contract on most any carrier nowadays.
LOL
i buy my N1 without data plan xD
i dont regret since i have wifi around in my work and home and im outside wifi range like 4 hours at day in bus or subway.
and im fine perhaps its like kill a fly wit a cannon
i will get in 10 days my 3g plan (too expensive here >_< )
but yea after months with wifi, all its ok but with 3g AMAZING phone
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Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
Thanks.
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I guess anywhere I have wifi, I have computer access, so I don't really touch my phone during those times.
There's no restrictions from the OS itself regarding data.
If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.
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If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.
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Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.
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Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.
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Because T-Mobile is the ****! I cautiously walked away from ATT and Verizon a few years ago and was amazed at what I found in Tmobile, I will never go back
Paul22000 said:
Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Nothing...many other carriers check your imei number but tmobile rarely does anything with it. Try it, the worse that could happen is they figure out you have a smartphone and bump you back up to what you are currently paying. Theoretically there is no difference between the dumbphone and the smartphone variant (im pretty sure).
Thinks the Atrix is a stupid idea...or at minimum the laptop style dock is a stupid idea? Why in the hell would I buy a completely dead miniature laptop for $499 when I could buy a damn 15.6" fully functional laptop for $100 less?? I shouldn't say the phone is stupid or necessarily the dock either, but the pricing makes absolutely 0 sense to me.
What are your thoughts?
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The price for phone the normal.
I will buy it.
And the Dock will be then cheaper
For $500, yes its stupid. It was originally thought to be $150, which would have been a great deal
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For $500, yes its stupid. It was originally thought to be $150, which would have been a great deal
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For 500$ with "Sim Free" it is normal
I was on board totally till I heard this.the phone is amazing either way and ill still get one. But 300$ for a bearbone? Or $500? Like tgr OP said. You can get a netbook ipad many other options available
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The dock just turns it into a convenient netbook. Later this year Google's Chrome OS netbooks will come out in retail and likely be far cheaper than $500 for just a shell. Better still, my Cr-48 has a Verizon 3G modem built into it without a contact. Likely cheaper to have your normal cell phone and a Chrome OS netbook than to use the Atrix with dock with tethering.
Shame too, I really do like the Atrix and its flexibility. I just do not like the idea of losing my unlimited plan and being forced to add tethering charges.
I agree for $499 it's a dumb idea. I personally wouldn't ever use the laptop dock so I've steered clear from the Atrix altogether. I figured Motorola would try to lock the phone down somehow like they did with the Droid X.
the price is stupid, agreed
moto locking the bootloader is stupid, agreed
att locked up installing software / pricing plans is stupid, agreed
the specs on the atrix, however is too awesome to ignore
lsxrx7 said:
the price is stupid, agreed
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moto locking the bootloader is stupid, agreed
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There has been no official statement by ANYONE to confirm or deny that the bootloader is in fact locked. Don't write speculation as if it were fact.
att locked up installing software / pricing plans is stupid, agreed
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What the **** are you talking about? Sideloading will be enabled with every Android phone after the Inspire HD.
And in regards to the pricing plans, AT&T isn't the only carrier with tiered data. They are (if I am recalling correctly) the only one without unlimited data, but WiFi is so abundant nowadays, it doesn't really matter (for the majority of people).
the specs on the atrix, however is too awesome to ignore
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What the **** are you talking about? Sideloading will be enabled with every Android phone after the Inspire HD.
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Where did you get that information from?
dreadlord369 said:
Where did you get that information from?
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http://briefmobile.com/htc-inspire-4g-allows-application-sideloading
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http://briefmobile.com/htc-inspire-4g-allows-application-sideloading
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That says the Inspire HD might allow sideloading, it might be enabled on this pre-release version and maybe stopped with the official (I believe they mention that in the video too).
But nowhere in there does it say that all phones after the inspire will allow sideloading.
EDIT: I take that back, I see where he mentions that in the post. Sorry.
The pricing is dumb; way too much for the dock.
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