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NEW: The HTC Wizard Communicator

HTC Wizard: early photos and specs [ 02:00 ]
Source: http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/
The web site Pocket PC Italia has posted early photos and specs of HTC Wizard communicator, which is positioned to replace HTC Magician(the model known as T-Mobile MD Compact, I-Mate Jam or QTek S100 depending on the operator). The communicator is powered by Windows Mobile 5.0. Its QWERTY-keyboard is pulled out from one side in an unusual manner. Besides HTC Wizard has stereo speakers and a 2.1-megapixel camera with the flash. As this info appeared before the official release, the specs can still be changed.
The specs of HTC Wizard:
* GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
* EDGE
* Processor OMAP 850 by Texas Instruments
* Memory - 128 MB ROM, 64 MB RAM
* Screen – 2.8” TFT, QVGA
* Interface - Mini USB, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi 802.11b and IrDA
* Expansion slot for Mini SD cards

That'll be a shame if it only has a MiniSD hole. I'm sure the 4 & 8GB SD cards will start being available when the Wizard is released. You would have though 128MB too.
Oh well, fingers crossed

Here is the actual link -> http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2222&zoneid=1

The Processoer seams nice:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...00&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_850
Hope it also uses the complete 802.11a/b/g Functions and not only b.
The chip has also USB-Host!
Both together with Windows Mobile 5.0 and 128MB Rom would be enough for me to switch from my MDA compact to this baby.
But would prefer it without keyboard...

Not sure about the processor - max speed of 200MHz puts me off.

The IPAQ 6340 has a similar Processor (OMAP1510) also with only 200MHz.
In the OMAP1510 is a ARM925 integrated
In the OMAP850 its a ARM926
Only found this benchmarks:
http://www.ppcreviews.net/news_8130.html
But the OMAP1510 runs only at 168MHz so [email protected] should be a bit faster
XScale MHz != OMAP MHz

XScale MHz != OMAP MHz
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Ti seems to be pushing this mode of thinking, after all the processor has multiple cores dedicated to separate functions.
However in real life situations, OMAP MHz are exactly XScale MHz, look at the benchmarks. You won't be running FPSCE on OMAP any time soon. Just because it has separate cores for DSP doesn't mean that other devices do their radio DSP in software on the main processor, I can't think of one that does. The only special thing that the OMAP can do is parallel video/audio decoding, but then who runs something processor intensive at the same time as watching video? A 400MHz XScale makes a better job of it in S/W, and is not tied to specific codecs; plus many video chipsets/cores offer some form of video helper functions in hardware too (although it seems certain chipset manufacturers don't want developers to use the features )
The only advantage I can see for OMAP is the cost to manufacture, which of course isn't passed on to us consumers...

rough release date
How long do they usually take to release these things after the public find out about them?

Another link
Here's another link I found on the Italian website. This should also be the new HTC phone, but doesn't look exactly as the previous posted link?!? (By the way I don't speak Italian. So can't really understand anything else than HTC and the specs.) :?
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/anteprima_htc_universal.asp
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2221&zoneid=1

thats because they arent the same phone...
The universal was announced a ickle while back

The bottom link is not the universal....That's a different version of this "wizard"

http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2349&zoneid=1
Name in italy is Qtek 9000
commercialize in italy 20-30 december 2005 (20/12/2005)
T-mobile name is MDA Pro
price in italy is 900 Euro
Sorry for my bad english.
Byez

HTC Wizard - Real Photos
See: http://www.windowsmobile.no/modules...e=article&sid=443&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
or get a little bit of it in english at Engadget.com
:shock:

Re: HTC Wizard - Real Photos
aamp said:
See: http://www.windowsmobile.no/modules...e=article&sid=443&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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And take a real good look at my fingers :lol:
Øystein

C'mon - where the transalation!
It's a real pitty Google doesn't have a Norwegian to English converter!
How about a few details Oystein. How does it compare with the Magician and have the buttons been moved to better locations (camera, recorded and 'other' (above the volume slider). I need to know!!!!!!!

C'mon - where the transalation!
It's a real pitty Google doesn't have a Norwegian to English converter!
How about a few details Oystein. How does it compare with the Magician and have the buttons been moved to better locations (camera, recorded and 'other' (above the volume slider). I need to know!!!!!!!

I've been walking around with one in my pocket for a few days, it feels kind of plastic, and the keyboard does not slide out in a nicely straight way, it can easily go crooked.
putting it in your pocket always gets it half slid out.
messing up the auto screen switch between landscape/portrait.
and it feels slow.
...
looked inside, it is actually just like the typhoon/sp3 smartphone, same rom layout, and same type of protections.
there is also a smartphone model coming out later this year, that is the same device, but as a smartphone. no touch screen, phone keyboard. 240x320 screen, with wifi.
that, for a smartphone is a really nice device.
willem

Hardware Upgrading

To my knowledge many hardware upgrades can be made to the Universal.
Seeing earlier posts of Universal Motherboards and chipsets...
It is possible to solder and upgrade the Universal.
Upgrades Include:
1. RAM - Suggested Hynix DDR / SDR RAM
2. Processor - nVidia (includes video card upgrade) if you are lucky or the new Intel PXA29x Monahans or Intel Bulverade x270 650mhz processor.
3. Wifi upgrade to Atheros ABG
All these upgrades are possible. If anyone is successful on doing these upgrades or has any ideas from where these parts can be obtained.. we are looking at the next generation pocket pc's and mobile devices to be created on xda-developers.

nuclear said:
To my knowledge many hardware upgrades can be made to the Universal.
Seeing earlier posts of Universal Motherboards and chipsets...
It is possible to solder and upgrade the Universal.
Upgrades Include:
1. RAM - Suggested Hynix DDR / SDR RAM
2. Processor - nVidia (includes video card upgrade) if you are lucky or the new Intel PXA29x Monahans or Intel Bulverade x270 650mhz processor.
3. Wifi upgrade to Atheros ABG
All these upgrades are possible. If anyone is successful on doing these upgrades or has any ideas from where these parts can be obtained.. we are looking at the next generation pocket pc's and mobile devices to be created on xda-developers.
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Why not suggest this to a real company like Pocket PC Techs: http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~O2_XDA_Exec-500~area~repairs.htm
They already have a repair section for the Universal. It might be easier for them to acquire everything, plus it would give us the option of having trained professionals handling our Universal.
But I read sometime ago, someone already tried this and did not work.

Mobile SDR/DDR RAM
I will consult Pocket PC Techs as you say they are professionals.
I will consult Intel, Atheros and Hynix on obtaining the parts. I am highly trained with soldering since i recently upgraded the video card on my motioncomputing LE1600 tablet pc ($5000). This phone Universal costed me $1200 from expansys and I would not like it to get busted. But i am pretty sure i can do it myself. If successful i will post pictures of the new chipset. Most certainly it will fit into the same body. Device Driver flashing will need a new ROM... i guess Helmi's/Ivans/Jwrights ROMS wont work. Anyways this will take me a week to a month to obtain the parts. And a few days to solder.
The hard part is making the ROM. Maybe my new project of Windows Crossbow i can integrate the device drivers into the ROM since they will be provided by the manufacturer for sure. So its not impossible i would say. Getting help from Pocket PC Techs really sounds good.

nuclear
I have already done this operation on Universal.
Now I have
CPU -Intel P4
Video- NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2
RAM- Nynix -10TB.
OS-Photon
You foolish and tell the delirium!

arc said:
nuclear
I have already done this operation on Universal.
Now I have
CPU -Intel P4
Video- NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2
RAM- Nynix -10TB.
OS-Photon
You foolish and tell the delirium!
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Please do not spam on the forum with false information. If you have really performed the upgrades post the picture of your new chipset and the Photon OS.

added foto

Again Spam
The Hynix RAM is not at the bottom right. It is supposed to be on the left. This is what the image is. Which i got from another thread! The RAM is supposed to be soldered on the top right. Right beside those 3, 2 slots are left for RAM to be soldered. And there is no Intel P4 processor. I guess people can use this as a reference to solder.
Anyways i am not going to keep mentioning about your spam. Because wind just adds more to the fire. The rest is upto the forum administrators.

get a sense of humour, man

It makes me cringed to see a naked Universal like that. It is like throwing $1000 to the trash.

not if you know what you're doing.
i for one would love a GeForce Go and faster WiFi in there. But isn't there a problem with RAM addressing over 64Mb?

r3bel said:
not if you know what you're doing.
i for one would love a GeForce Go and faster WiFi in there. But isn't there a problem with RAM addressing over 64Mb?
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Exactly what i was thinking. Upgrade the RAM and the processor (processor upgrading i think is impossible). And then the video card <-- not great chance of upgrading.
Currently i can only give confirmation based on my skills that i can upgrade the RAM. Getting hands on the hynix SDR/DDR RAM will not be easy either.
I am also sure that these upgrades shall keep our Universals tuned in for another 5 - 10 years along with Windows Mobile Crossbow and Windows Photon. Just like the Windows Vista that will be up and running for 10-15 years.
Anyways after these upgrades are successful i plan on marketing my product of research and upgrade for twice the same price as the universal. I shall post pictures of the device once it is upgraded and what the new ROM recognises.
I am currently working on Windows Crossbow and Windows Photon as well.
Now i base my research on facts from wiki so there is no chance of failure.

nuclear said:
Exactly what i was thinking. Upgrade the RAM and the processor (processor upgrading i think is impossible). And then the video card <-- not great chance of upgrading.
Currently i can only give confirmation based on my skills that i can upgrade the RAM. Getting hands on the hynix SDR/DDR RAM will not be easy either.
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would would the CPU be impossible to ugrade? I believe the RAM is the most difficult because, I think, Win Mo doesn't recognize more than 64MB... but I don't have facts for that. would be awesome to have 128MB or even 256, 512 would be tha sh1t! I checked those chips and I have a PDF 'bout it... if it helps. but I haven't seen such low capacity
Now the processor would be awesome to upgrade, too... but why not? maybe pin configuration? or would they be able to compile WinMo for just one speed of a processor? or are we talking 'bout different processors altogether?
I was checking the internet 'bout such things, reflow stations(pro, DIY) and solder paste, but I'm afraid to try with my Universal as I haven't done it before. any ideas?

Yubastard said:
would would the CPU be impossible to ugrade? I believe the RAM is the most difficult because, I think, Win Mo doesn't recognize more than 64MB... but I don't have facts for that. would be awesome to have 128MB or even 256, 512 would be tha sh1t! I checked those chips and I have a PDF 'bout it... if it helps. but I haven't seen such low capacity
Now the processor would be awesome to upgrade, too... but why not? maybe pin configuration? or would they be able to compile WinMo for just one speed of a processor? or are we talking 'bout different processors altogether?
I was checking the internet 'bout such things, reflow stations(pro, DIY) and solder paste, but I'm afraid to try with my Universal as I haven't done it before. any ideas?
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1. Steps to upgrade the processor.
a. Remove the existing soldered chip off the motherboard (most likely will damage the motherboard while removing the existing processor chip)
b. Obtain the next processor chip. Probably will be from the same family of processors or any other compatible chip and solder it on.
c. Make a ROM that supports this hardware.
Higher End processors:
PXA27x (The universal one)
The PXA27x family (code-named Bulverde) consists of the PXA270 and PXA271-PXA272 processors. This revision is a huge update to the XScale family of processors. The PXA270 <-- (((this one is ours))) is clocked in four different speeds: 312 MHz, 416 MHz, (((520 MHz))) and (((624 MHz <-- (((this is what we can upgrade to most likely))) and is a stand-alone processor with no packaged memory. The PXA271 can be clocked to 312 MHz or 416 MHz and has 32 MiB of 16-bit stacked StrataFlash memory and 32 MiB of 16-bit SDRAM in the same package. The PXA272 can be clocked to 312 MHz, 416 MHz or 520 MHz and has 64 MiB of 32-bit stacked StrataFlash memory.
Now this is the processor we are aiming for:
In August 2005 Intel announced the successor to Bulverde, codenamed Monahans. They demoed it showing its capability to play back high definition encoded video on a PDA screen. The new processor was shown clocked at 1.25 GHz but Intel said it only offered a 25% increase in performance (800 MIPS for the 624 MHz PXA270 processor vs 1000 MIPS for 1.25 GHz Monahans). An announced successor to the 2700G graphics processor, code named Stanwood, has since been cancelled. Some of the features of Stanwood are integrated into Monahans. For extra graphics capabilities, Intel recommends third party chips like the Nvidia GoForce chip family <-- ((NOT AUTHORIZED BY NVIDIA)).
******NOW CHECK THIS OUT:: YOU THOUGHT THE PROCESSOR WAS EVERYTHING RIGHT? WELL SEEMS LIKE YOU WERE WRONG::READ WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE RAM********
This is why i chose Hynix and not Samsung
Hynix Semiconductor Inc. (Hangul: 하이닉스 반도체) KSE: 000660 is an electronics company founded in 1983 as Hyundai Electronics Industries Co., Ltd. In the 1980s and 1990s it was mainly focusing on marketing DRAM, and then later SDRAM. In 2001 the business sold their TFT LCD assets for $650m, of the same year they developed the world's first 128MB DDR SDRAM for graphics.
Hynix is among the Worldwide Top 20 Semiconductor Sales Leaders.
In 2004-2005 an investigation was carried out into a worldwide DRAM price fixing conspiracy during 1999-2002 that damaged competition and raised PC prices. As a result, Samsung <-- (SEE SAMSUNG IS A LOSER) is to pay $300 million fine, Hynix was to pay $185 mln in 2005, Infineon: $160 mln in 2004. Micron Technology cooperated with prosecutors and no fine is expected.
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And now getting to the RAM
The RAM is an addon in the universal and not a replacement. Replacements are very damaging to the device and decreases the life of the device.
So all we got to do is addon the RAM.
Now i am going to personally speak to a Hynix manager and ask him if our devices are upgradable. I will also ask him about the pricing and how we can make bulk orders. I will read on more about RAM and what should we buy exactly? They manufacture so many products and you dont want to pick the wrong one.
Ah yes and they also manufacture better LCD screens for the Universal. In case some one wants to take on that project most welcome to. I would love a Anti-glare glass screen for my universal.

RAM,processor or WiFi of Universal cannot be upgrated,though RAM of HP4700 can be upgrated to 128MB.but the camera of Universal can be upgrated to 3.0MP.It costs only RMB200(USD25).There are already many people(except me) upgrated their camera of Uni.I will post the pictures later

yinfo said:
RAM,processor or WiFi of Universal cannot be upgrated,though RAM of HP4700 can be upgrated to 128MB.but the camera of Universal can be upgrated to 3.0MP.It costs only RMB200(USD25).There are already many people(except me) updated their camera of Uni.I will post the pictures later
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$25 USD Sounds too unreal for a 3MP camera upgrade for Universal. What is the optical zoom/digital zoom/lens mm? We here at xda-developers.com are looking into technical and specific details. I dont want a 3MP camera with barely any optical/digital zoom and images that cant be taken in a sunny day.
Also RAM upgrade is possible. Why else do you think those two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard?
I was sure that the camera can be upgraded too. I will find out more camera details and keep the forum posted. Since i am a professional SLR photographer i can provide the best camera's to the Universal device.
This means a stronger high beam flash can also be upgraded.

nuclear said:
$25 USD Sounds too unreal for a 3MP camera upgrade for Universal. What is the optical zoom/digital zoom/lens mm? We here at xda-developers.com are looking into technical and specific details. I dont want a 3MP camera with barely any optical/digital zoom and images that cant be taken in a sunny day.
Also RAM upgrade is possible. Why else do you think those two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard?
I was sure that the camera can be upgraded too. I will find out more camera details and keep the forum posted. Since i am a professional SLR photographer i can provide the best camera's to the Universal device.
This means a stronger high beam flash can also be upgraded.
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Maybe $25 USD Sounds unreal for you,but in China,it's real.But now I can't find out the pictures of it on Chinese forum. It has optical zoom.
The battery costs only $25 in China,the imitated one costs only $7.And the 3200mAh battery costs less than $15 now,though I bought it for $19 5 months ago.I bought my T-Mobile MDA Pro for about $530.
Two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard is because the Universal was fist made for Windows Mobile 2003,which must has 128MB RAM.Do know CeBIT 2005?CeBIT 2005 had a Universal(T-Mobile MDA PRO) on show,which has WM2003 and 128MB RAM.
But someone had his HP4700 upgrated to 128MB RAM said that the Universal couldnot be upgrated to 128MB.He didn't tell me the reason.And so far,I have never seen any one have his Universal upgrated to 128MB RAM.

Battery and Camera
yinfo you might be correct about the battery. I actually bought my Universal for around the same price as yours. Just $100 more. My 3200mAh battery also costed around the same price as yours. All my items came ofcourse from Shanghai and Ho Chi Minh and Hong Kong.
But my RAM is going to come from South Korea, Seoul.
Some good stuff is also being sold at Hanoi in Vietnam. Better check that place out.
Camera upgrade cannot be so cheap. It really sounds too unreal. I mean camera is not equal to battery. Maybe $100-$200 will be more realistic. Anyways I am still looking into this camera upgrade on the net, will find some results soon and keep the forum posted.

hehe, it all sounds so exotic! I got my universal for £150 on a rainy high street in the UK!
loving the chance for a camera replacement, though. also, i had a browse through the universal's disassembly manual, and the flash LED is just stuck-down then plugged in. i bet even I could upgrade that!

r3bel said:
hehe, it all sounds so exotic! I got my universal for £150 on a rainy high street in the UK!
loving the chance for a camera replacement, though. also, i had a browse through the universal's disassembly manual, and the flash LED is just stuck-down then plugged in. i bet even I could upgrade that!
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I want to upgrade the flash LED to the flash in the SLR digital camera. So that i get better image quality while taking photographs in the public. Also i would like a 3MP camera. I have printed images on photo paper before and they came out nice. But 3MP would be the best.

nuclear You foolish !!
You absolutely do not understand in electronics and PPC.
1) You can not change the processor since this not PC. Mobile processors PXA 270 and PXA2XX to have other points and other auxiliary elements.
2) Such reasons and about graphic chip.
3)The Camera can be theoretically modernized -but if have an alike connector and electrically parameters.
We conducted the modernization on typhoon c500 cameras. This device was delivered on european and chinese market with miscellaneous camera.
When installation of the other camera -you need other ROM with the other driver for this cameras. You can not simply change this driver - necessary to build in this in ROM.
I did this on typhoon c500. But this in a complicated way.
4) Theoretically you may add on Universal RAM - my friends conducted modernization and tried to enlarge RAM - but you may use only such RAM as it is used in Universal.
My friends concern with the repair PPC to have specialized device. In home condition you will not be able this do.
After they were added chip RAM - a system does not see these chips. We thought that probably system does not see additional RAm since does not enter the signal CS ( chip select ) -we have found this signal on board. But probably system does not see RAM since is not installed specific driver which will be able to service additional RAM.
nuclear
Be enough to carry the foolishness and tell about that that you do not understand - you probably foolish young person who wants to raise its rating in this forum.

[18 August 08] SmartPhone Wars 2008: Specs, camparision Thread and poll.

I saw that there was like 20 post on XDA that had to do with either how good or bad Xperia, Diamond, Raphael or iPhone 3G were. So i thought of starting a thread that would, basically layout a camparision of all the major comtendors of the SmartPhones War 2008. If you have a preference towards any of these phones or would like to add more information to the thread pr just comments, go ahead or just drop by and say why you like the phone you picked or something..
And ya, if you voted for Others, then please reply in a post of which phone, specifically did you vote for.
And by the way, Mods, if this thread belongs in another forum, then feel free to move it.
Some people are really stuck between phones and just can decide, so i thought Customer Satisfaction could become a deciding issue, so here you go. HTC isn't in the list, sorry about that and just remember just cause somebody else didn't like it, doesn't mean you have to feel the same way.
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NOTE: The thread is still active and new phone are constantly being added.
HTC Touch Diamond
HTC Touch Pro(Raphael)
iPhone 3G
Sony Xperia X1
Blackberry Bold(9000)
Samsung Omnia (i900)
Nokia N96
Palm Treo 800w
Gigabyte Gsmart M820
Palm Treo 850
E-TEN V900
E-TEN X900
E-TEN DX900
Anticipated Phones (Not Yet Official)
HTC Dream
HTC Omni
Motorola Alexander
Samsung i8510 (JASTECH's find and specs)
BlackBerry Thunder
Samsung X908(JASTECH's find)
Sony Xperia X5 (Also JASTECH's find)

HTC Touch Diamond
Ok, so to start things of, i'll begin with the most talked phone on XDA forums: HTC Touch Diamond
This very awaited phone, was a major uprgrade to the existing devices running Windows Mobile, it boosted a bunch of new features that were much awaited by HTC followers, so lets get strated.
Official Website: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46278
Alternate Names: O2 XDA Diamond and T-Mobile MDA Compact IV
Manufacturer: High Tech Computer Corporation
Predecessor: HTC Touch Cruise
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Screen Resolution: 640-by-480-Pixels VGA Screen
Dimensions :102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 11.35 mm (T)
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz
Camera: 3.2 MP with auto focus and second camera for video call
GPS Included
User Interface HTC TouchFlo 3D
Data: HSDPA 7.2
Major Improvements over predecessor
Built-In Accelerometer
OS Upgrade from WM 6.0 to WM 6.1
UI Upgrade from Orignal Touchflo to TouchFlo 3D
Screen resolution upgrade from QVGA Screen to VGA Screen
Increased ROM from 256 MB to additional 4GB of internal storage
Increased RAM from 128 MB to 192 MB
Upgraded software for HTC applications
New Web browser Included, upgrade for P.I.E 6.0 to Opera Mobile 9.5
More powefull processor from 400mhz to 528 mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
Even with all the buzz about the Diamond, there's really isn't anything that they Diamond has that's unique or better than everybody else, except the TouchFlo 3d INTERFACE, which the Touch Pro also has.
When can you officially get it? Q3 2008 for Europe and Asia, Late 2008 for US
What it's missing?
The Touch Diamond, like the iPhone lacks a micro-SD card slot, this makes it an undesired product for people who want to have more than 4GB of storage on their phone and the flexibility of a MicroSD card. Big bumper, this was one of the iPhone family's biggest downfalls, now the Touch Diamond shares it. Another downfall that the Diamond shares with the iPhone is the lack of a physical keyboard, this has been a problem with every phone in the Touch series with the exception of Pro and Dual. The keyboard is probably the biggest problem with the Diamond and makes it very Buissness and Texters repelant.

HTC Touch Pro (Raphael)
The HTC Touch Pro or Raphael is basically a Diamond with a some give and takes like keyboard and lesser ROM, etc. Read on for details.
Official Website: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
Alternate Names: T-Mobile MDA IV, HTC Tytn III and HTC Raphael
Manufacturer: High Tech Computer Corporation
Predecessor: HTC Tytn II (Not Official)
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Dimensions :102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 11.35 mm (T)
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz
Camera: 3.2 MP with auto focus and second camera for video call
GPS Included
User Interface HTC TouchFlo 3D
Data HSDPA 7.2
Major Improvements over predecessor
*Note: Because there isn't an official predecessor to this phone, we'll consider it to be the HTC Kaiser or ATT Tilt
Built-In Accelerometer
OS Upgrade from WM 6.0 to WM 6.1
UI Upgrade from Orignal Touchflo to TouchFlo 3D
Screen resolution upgrade from QVGA Screen to VGA Screen
Increased ROM from 256 MB to 512 MB
Increased RAM from 128 MB to 288 MB
Upgraded software for HTC applications
New Web browser Included, upgrade for P.I.E 6.0 to Opera Mobile 9.5
Included HTC TV-out
Data Speeds update from 3.6 Mbps to 7.2 Mbps
QWERTY Keyboard changed from 4 rows to 5 rows.
More powefull processor from 400mhz to 528 mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Touch Pro, with a 288 MB, has more RAM than any other phone in this war, this can be a big selling point for people who wanna' multi(over)-task their phones. The TF3D interface is also a much-awaited and usefull software.
When can you officially get it? Q3 2008 for Europe and Asia
What it's Missing?
The Touch Pro includes a Keyboard over Touch Diamond but Touch Pro, lacks the extra 4 GB of ROM that the Diamond includes. This is a major bumper since the iPhone and several other competitors include upto 16 GB of ROM, while all the Touch Pro has is 512 MB.

touch pro
im voting for the touch pro, it has all the spacs of the diamond, traded the 4gb storage for a sweet micro sd slot and added a full keyboard!!! cant go wrong with that

Apple iPhone 3G
The next phone in contender is Windows Mobile community's most hated and most American teenagers' most desired phone: The iPhone 3G
Official Website: http://www.iphone.com
Alternate Names: iPhone 2nd Generation or iPhone 2
Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Predecessor: Orignal iPhone
Operating System: iPhone OS 2.0
Screen Resolution: 320-by-480-Pixels HVGA Screen
Dimensions :4.5 in (115.5 mm) (h) by 2.4 in (62.1 mm) (w) by 0.48 in (12.3 mm) (d)
Processor Samsung S5L8900 412 MHz ARM 1176 processor (Upto 620 Mhz)
Camera: 2 MP with geotaging
GPS Included
User Interface iPhone UI
Data HSDPA
Major Improvements over predecessor
Built-In GPS
OS Upgrade from iPhone OS 1.1.4 to 2.0
Upgraded software for Apple and other official applications
3G Support, upgrade from EDGE
Third-Party Application support (Big One)
Flushed head phone jack
"Dramatically" Improved Audio Quality
Improvements to the body materials
Price deduction
Multi-Language support
What does it have over everybody else?
The iPhone 3G, just like it's predecessor features a 3.5 inch screen, which is bigger than anybody else amongst the competition, big feature for those who wanna' use it as a Multimedia and Internet device. Also the iPhone, arguably, features the easiest to use, UI which makes it more desirable for people who want a smartphone but don't really want to spend a lot of time on customization etc.
The Omnia also is tied with the iPhone when it comes to internal storage, with both of them offering 8 or 16 Gigs of storage, unparreled by anybody else.
When can you officially get it? July 11, 2008
What it's missing?(Limitations)
Physical Keyboard
Micro-SD Card Slot
MMS Capabilities
Video Recording
Copy/Paste
Several other software related limitations
Has to be bought with a expensive contract

Sony Xperia X1
Xperia was the first contender officially announced this year, this HTC designed, Sony owned phone is one of the most awaited phones of the year, lets get started.
Official Website: http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/?lc=en&cc=SG
Alternate Names: None
Manufacturer: HTC for Sony Ericsson
Predecessor: None (First one in the Xperia Series)
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Dimensions :110 x 53 x 17 mm
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz
Camera: 3.2 MP with viewfinder and second camera for video call
GPS Included
User Interface Xperia Panel UI
Data HSDPA
Screen Size 3 Inches
Screen Resolution 800 by 480 Pixels WVGA
Major Improvements over predecessor
*Note: Because this phone is the first one of it's kind for Sony, it has no predecessor so we'll just campare it to HTC's 2007 most powerfull phone: HTC Tytn II.
Built-In Accelerometer
OS Upgrade from WM 6.0 to WM 6.1
UI Upgrade from standard WM6 UI to Xpera Panel UI
Increased screen size from 2.8" to 3.0"
Screen resolution upgrade from QVGA Screen to WVGA Screen
Increased ROM from 256 MB to 512 MB
Increased RAM from 128 MB to 256 MB
Upgraded software for HTC applications
New Web browser Included, upgrade for P.I.E 6.0 to P.I.E 6.1
Arc slider instead of the Tilt.
Data Speeds update from 3.6 Mbps to 7.2 Mbps
More powefull processor from 400mhz to 528 mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Xperia has the best resolution screen out of all the reviewed phones, with a 800 by 640 screen it features an unrivaled screen resolution prefect for watching movies or browsing the web, overall Look and Feel will also be better with a higher quality screen.
It also features a Arc slider design with will make the screen more easily viewable when the sliding keyboard is in use.
When can you officially get it? Mid September for US (Unlocked)
What it's Missing?
The Xperia X1, like the Touch Pro lacks a respectable amount of internal storage, with only 512 MB it makes a very weak case against iPhone's 8 and 16GB or the Diamond's 4GB.
The Xperia, like most of the phones with a physical keyboard, is not very "Slim", so if you do care about your being silm and pocket fittable then Xperia loses the battle to phone like Diamond, Omnia and iPhone.

Samsung Omnia
A lot of people have shown enthusiasm about this phone on the thread, sorry for the long time it took to put up the specs put here it is. Samsung Omnia
Website: http://www.samsungomnia.com
Alternate Names: Samsung i900 and ATT i907
Manufacturer: Samsung Inc.
Predecessor: Samsung i830
Operating System: Windows Mobile Professional 6.1
Screen Resolution: 240-by-400-Pixels WQGA Screen
Dimensions : 112 by 56.9 by 12.5
Processor Marwell 624 Mhz
Camera: 5 MP with geotaging, auto focus, image stabilizer, face detection etc etc...
GPS Included
User Interface TouchViz UI
Data HSDPA 7.2
Major Improvements over predecessor
*NOTE: I'm not aware of any official predecessors of this phone but chronologically i830 was the last one in line, name wise, so we'll consider that as the Omnia's predecessor
OS Upgrade from WM 2003 SE to WM 6.1
Resolution upgrade from QVGA to WQVGA
ROM(Internal storage) upgrade from 128 MB to 16 or 8 GB.
Data upgrade from EV-DO to HSDPA 7.2
Increased Physical screen size from 2.8'' to 3.2''
UI change from Standard WM Interface toTouchViz UI
Weight depreciation
Slimmer and Sleeker Design
Wi-Fi included
Included Accelerometer (or some other means of Auto-Rotation)
Processor upgrade from Intel 520 MHz to Marwell 624 Mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Omnia is tied with the Blackberry Bold for the most powerful processor with a 624 Mhz Marwell.
The Omnia also features a 5 MP camera, which is by far the winner when it comes to Camera resolution.
The Omnia also is tied with the iPhone when it comes to internal storage, with both of them offering 8 or 16 Gigs of storage, unparreled by anybody else.
When Can you get officially get it? No Official Word yet.
What It's missing(lacks)?
The Samsung Omnia has the least resolution screen out of all the phones in SmartPhone wars 2008, this is a major bumper and a shame that a 3.2 inch screen gets lesser quality than a 2.8'' screen, and this means that the picture compared to the Xperia will be 1/2 as good.
Another major feature the Omnia misses out on is a Physical QWERTY keyboard, this is something that it's predecessors all had but i900 fails to inherit.
And there are also reports of the Omnia, not being a full touchscreen phone but uses some sensors, this is a super setback and can pausibly be a navigational problem.
The Omnia, unlike the Diamond and Touch Pro, lacks a magnetic stylus infact it lacks a stylus in general, some people consider this a drawback, since some find a stylus more comfortable than finger.

BlackBerry Bold (9000)
Official Website: http://www.blackberry.com/blackberrybold/
Alternate Names: Blackberry 9000
Manufacturer:Research In Motion (RIM)
Predecessor: Blackberry 8830 (chronologically)
Operating System: Blackberry OS 4.6
Dimensions :4.5" tall x 2.6" wide x 0.5" deep
Processor 624MHz Intel PXA270/Marvell Tavor PXA930 processor (reports differ)
Camera: 2 MP with flash
GPS Included
User Interface (New) Blackberry UI
Data HSDPA 3.6
Screen Size ???????
Screen Resolution 480 by 320 Pixels HVGA
Major Improvements over predecessor
OS Upgrade from BB OS 4.2 to BB OS 4.6
New Blackberry UI
Screen resolution doubled from QVGA Screen to HVGA Screen
Software updates for RIM applications
More powefull processor from 312 MHz to 624 MHz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Bold is tied with the Omnia for the most powerful processor with a 624 Mhz Marwell.
And eventough it's screen is only HVGA, it looks great on a it smaller physical size, so good that CNET called it the best looking screen ever on a cell phone.
When can you officially get it? Summer 2008
What it's Missing?
This is, according to many, the biggest bumper in the Bold, lack of a touchscreen, this closes the door to a lot of functionality and possibilities otherwise present in touchscreen phones.
The Bold, like the Touch Pro lacks a respectable amount of internal storage, with only 512 MB it makes a very weak case against iPhone's 8 and 16GB or the Diamond's 4GB. The Bold infact has the least amount of internal storage of all the major 08 smart phones.
The Blackberry Bold also includes a front keyboard, widely considered as a eyesore, this also means that it has the smallest screen size of all the major 08 smartphones, big time bumper.

those phones with a full keyboard in the front like that never seem to get that popular outside of usa and blackbarry country
personaly i think it's an eyesore

Samsung Omnia
I voted for the Samsung Omnia: http://samsungomnia.com/
Notice the speed of this device in opening applications from youtube videos. The screen may not be as responsive as we like, as it takes 2 to 3 taps for an application to open, but the processor speed makes up for it. If you are to compare it with the speed of the SE Xperia, it just blows it away. The Xperia needs MAJOR improvement in speed, it would have been better if they put in a 624 MHz processor in it. It is so disappointing to see such a nice device crawling like that in opening applications.

Rudegar said:
those phones with a full keyboard in the front like that never seem to get that popular outside of usa and blackbarry country
personaly i think it's an eyesore
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ya, i personally never liked them beacuase of their small screens and usaully the lack of touch screens.

cktlcmd said:
I voted for the Samsung Omnia: http://samsungomnia.com/
Notice the speed of this device in opening applications from youtube videos. The screen may not be as responsive as we like, as it takes 2 to 3 taps for an application to open, but the processor speed makes up for it. If you are to compare it with the speed of the SE Xperia, it just blows it away. The Xperia needs MAJOR improvement in speed, it would have been better if they put in a 624 MHz processor in it. It is so disappointing to see such a nice device crawling like that in opening applications.
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eventough i didn't vote for it, the Omnia does have it's stregnths, like the 5 MP camera and the real powerfull proccesor. Sucks for me, it's CDMA and not availble in the US. By the way, both SE X1 and Omnia, descriptions are coming up, currently reaserching more about Omnia.

touch PRO!
- keyboard
- SDcard Slot - what the hell shall i do with internal 4GB if i can get 32GB via SDHC??!!!!

papamopps said:
touch PRO!
- keyboard
- SDcard Slot - what the hell shall i do with internal 4GB if i can get 32GB via SDHC??!!!!
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plus extra RAM!!!

[email protected] said:
eventough i didn't vote for it, the Omnia does have it's stregnths, like the 5 MP camera and the real powerfull proccesor. Sucks for me, it's CDMA and not availble in the US. By the way, both SE X1 and Omnia, descriptions are coming up, currently reaserching more about Omnia.
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It is coming to the USA. FCC approved the SGH-i907 and it goes to AT&T.

JASTECH said:
It is coming to the USA. FCC approved the SGH-i907 and it goes to AT&T.
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really, do you have a link to this????

In both the Touch Pro, and X1 reviews, you said the bad points were that neitehr could stand up to the iPhone's 16GB, or even the Diamond's 4GB.
For me though, the thing is, you can get an 8GB card for less than £20, so for £20, you nto only have removable, but a larger amount of memory than the Diamond. Plus, I dont need anywhere near 16GB of the iPhone, because I have an iPod.
Thats why I voted X1 and Touch Pro, I'm really torn between the two.
Rory

rorydaredkign said:
In both the Touch Pro, and X1 reviews, you said the bad points were that neitehr could stand up to the iPhone's 16GB, or even the Diamond's 4GB.
For me though, the thing is, you can get an 8GB card for less than £20, so for £20, you nto only have removable, but a larger amount of memory than the Diamond. Plus, I dont need anywhere near 16GB of the iPhone, because I have an iPod.
Thats why I voted X1 and Touch Pro, I'm really torn between the two.
Rory
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ya, i know what you mean, and that's why i also said in the Diamond and iPhone reviews that they did'nt have a microsd card slot and that was a very weak point on their part, plus not every body had an iPod(I don't). I personally didn't vote for any of the phones with the huge internal storage, beacuse they didn't have a mc slot.

key boards
id go with any with a keyboard and definitly not the iphone apple sucks for programming, and it may be thicker for a keyboard but atleas then u can actuall use all programs instead of just special touch screen programs that have buttons on the scren then u can use ur keyboard for things like emulators and is alot faster for typing and still has touch screen so yeah, and why do u need a massive 16g storage anyways u can just get unlimite with sd slots,

Harvard Professor Warns of Apple's iPhone Strategy
I haven't used any of the phones listed, but have been a long-time advocate of the WM platform. In my years, I've seen many PDAs come and go - Sharp's Wizard, HP's 100/200LX, Psion, and the like. And at this point, it looks to me like the Palm OS is dead. So when I read this in CIO Insight, it didn't surprise me at all:
http://www.cioinsight.com/c/a/Strategy/New-iPhone-Danger/
Many people lust after the iPhone, but Jonathan Zittrain sees danger in the device. Zittrain, a professor at Harvard Law School and co-founder of its Berkman Center for Internet and Society, worries that closed appliances like the iPhone and walled gardens like Facebook will stifle the creativity that has fueled the development of the Internet. Tools such as PCs and the Net itself, which are open by nature and allow people to hack and tinker, are “generative,” he says—capable of spinning off new capabilities from unexpected directions. Tightly controlled devices and services—not so much.
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Just thought I'd kick in two cents.

HTC Incredible Specs

From Verizon's website
http://store.verizonwireless.com/detail/PhoneSpec.aspx?PhonePK=2098
Source: http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/droid-incredible-specs-on-verizon-wireless
Link to phone order page on Verizon
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5269

Copied from the page in case it goes down
Phone Details: HTC Incredible™
Features:
3.7" 480x800 WVGA OLED Touch screen
Virtual QWERTY Keyboard
Camera: 8MP camera w/auto–focus and video capture
OS: Android 2.1, Google Experience Device
Integrated Google, Exchange & Facebook contacts
User Interface –next generation Sense UI
Push Gmail and Exchange
8GB internal memory
1 Ghz Snapdragon processor
Speakerphone
Tools: Calculator, Alarm Clock, Calendar, Stopwatch & Voice Commands
Bilingual User Interface: English/Spanish
Advanced Speech Recognition
Embedded Ringtones, vibrate alert and silent
GPS/e911
TTY compatible
Up to 16GB of optional microSD support
Hearing Aid Compatibility = M4/T3
For details on Hearing Aid Compatibility, see About Us — Accessibility.
Meets FCC SAR limit. Manufacturer's highest FCC reported SAR 1.40 W/kg at ear, .7 W/kg on body. Actual SAR may vary.
For more information on Radio Frequency Emissions, see About Us — Wireless Issues.
*The HTC Incredible™ supports Bluetooth Profiles for wireless headsets, hands–free accessories, stereo and phonebook access. It does not support all object exchange (OBEX) profiles.
Included Accessories:
& Package Contents:
HTC Incredible™
Standard Lithium Ion Polymer Battery
Wall/USB Charger
Product Safety and Warranty Guide
Quick Start Guide
Specs:
Dimensions: 4.63" x 2.30" x 0.47"
Weight: 4.59oz
Usage Time: Up to up to 312Minutes
Standby Time: Up to up to 146Hours
Note: Usage and standby times are subject to change. Options may vary by market.

What about FM Tuner?
I guess the rumors of an FM Tuner are not true or did they just fail to mention it?

I think the 8GB are from the SD.

513 said:
I think the 8GB are from the SD.
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There are 2 places that specify memory
zanix said:
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8GB internal memory
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Up to 16GB of optional microSD support
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It looks like the 8GB is internal in addition to a microSD slot

This is a powerhouse. I was going to buy the Desire but now I'm not so sure...

zanix said:
There are 2 places that specify memory
It looks like the 8GB is internal in addition to a microSD slot
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I highly doubt it will have 8 gigs of internal memory. I want to see more proof of that

Abbens said:
I highly doubt it will have 8 gigs of internal memory. I want to see more proof of that
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Well.. look like you have to wait for the REAL and Official announcement then.
From what I heard and read, it do have an 8gb of internal memory. Care to share why you highly doubt it??
However, if the leaked pictures can be trusted, I dont really like the design, reminded me of an old nokia model. I will wait for Desire to come here then.

I think the original features were wrong. This is from Verizon's press release.
Features of the HTC DROID Incredible include:
Android 2.1 with HTC Sense experience
1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon™ processor for maximum responsiveness
Friend Stream for unified Flickr, Facebook and Twitter updates
“Leap” view for quick access to all seven home screen panel
8 megapixel camera with dual LED flash for crisp, detailed images
Razor-sharp 3.7 inch WVGA (480x800) AMOLED capacitive to display
Optical joystick for smooth navigation
Dedicated, touch-sensitive Home, Menu, Back and Search keys
Proximity sensor, light sensor and digital compass
Integrated GPS Wi-Fi (802.11 b/g)
3.5 mm headset jack

No 720p recording?

add 54 more pixels to match moto droid.

Abbens said:
I highly doubt it will have 8 gigs of internal memory. I want to see more proof of that
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http://droidtalk.net/htc-incredible-rumors-are-flying-1-gig-ram-6-gigs-rom/
here is your proof and it looks like 1-2 gigs is partitioned for application install

[q] android on mega? See these video!!!

It's a fake or????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpfvH-SrsTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1nTikmLGCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGUE06eb7do
look please

Those phones are Touch 2 clones, would be nice if they can help to port android here ;(

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Exsoul said:
Those phones are Touch 2 clones, would be nice if they can help to port android here ;(
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so: what is a clone? and it's possible to port android on mega with clone os?

Most of the clones are phones that use the same design of other ones from popular companies (like HTC, Samsung, Apple, etc.). I say design because they don't use the same hardware (maybe some one do).
I have looked at the videos and in one of them they say the specs and the processor isn't the same as the HTC Touch 2 so it can't help because we'r stuck in haret.exe. I don't understand of this but in conclusion haret.exe is the boot loader for android and without it we can't run android on the device. As example there are other phones that use the same hardware but processor (even other ones with the same processor) and haret.exe is still crashing.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Let's hope RDilus achieve it. Also the problem with our phone is that it's not popular nor used by people and this is why there are few people interested in it.
Edit: Those are the specs from the clone:
Hot Spots
Dual sim cards dual standby smart phone
Operating system:Windows Mobile 6.5
CPU: MediaTek MT6516 460MHz <----- That's why it won't help.
RAM:128M,ROM:256M,extend to 16 GB max
Built in GPS and support voice navigation
Quadband GSM:850/900/1800/1900 MHZ
WIFI high-speed Internet connectivity
FM radio
Bluetooth A2DP
USB:Mini USB port
3.5mm standard audio output jack
Language:English/Italiano/Spanish/Russian/Chinese
etc.
Also it has accelerometer lol

Rdilus told me the porting is bad...PHONE ****!!!