HTC Wizard: early photos and specs [ 02:00 ]
Source: http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/
The web site Pocket PC Italia has posted early photos and specs of HTC Wizard communicator, which is positioned to replace HTC Magician(the model known as T-Mobile MD Compact, I-Mate Jam or QTek S100 depending on the operator). The communicator is powered by Windows Mobile 5.0. Its QWERTY-keyboard is pulled out from one side in an unusual manner. Besides HTC Wizard has stereo speakers and a 2.1-megapixel camera with the flash. As this info appeared before the official release, the specs can still be changed.
The specs of HTC Wizard:
* GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
* EDGE
* Processor OMAP 850 by Texas Instruments
* Memory - 128 MB ROM, 64 MB RAM
* Screen – 2.8” TFT, QVGA
* Interface - Mini USB, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi 802.11b and IrDA
* Expansion slot for Mini SD cards
That'll be a shame if it only has a MiniSD hole. I'm sure the 4 & 8GB SD cards will start being available when the Wizard is released. You would have though 128MB too.
Oh well, fingers crossed
Here is the actual link -> http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2222&zoneid=1
The Processoer seams nice:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...00&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_850
Hope it also uses the complete 802.11a/b/g Functions and not only b.
The chip has also USB-Host!
Both together with Windows Mobile 5.0 and 128MB Rom would be enough for me to switch from my MDA compact to this baby.
But would prefer it without keyboard...
Not sure about the processor - max speed of 200MHz puts me off.
The IPAQ 6340 has a similar Processor (OMAP1510) also with only 200MHz.
In the OMAP1510 is a ARM925 integrated
In the OMAP850 its a ARM926
Only found this benchmarks:
http://www.ppcreviews.net/news_8130.html
But the OMAP1510 runs only at 168MHz so [email protected] should be a bit faster
XScale MHz != OMAP MHz
XScale MHz != OMAP MHz
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Ti seems to be pushing this mode of thinking, after all the processor has multiple cores dedicated to separate functions.
However in real life situations, OMAP MHz are exactly XScale MHz, look at the benchmarks. You won't be running FPSCE on OMAP any time soon. Just because it has separate cores for DSP doesn't mean that other devices do their radio DSP in software on the main processor, I can't think of one that does. The only special thing that the OMAP can do is parallel video/audio decoding, but then who runs something processor intensive at the same time as watching video? A 400MHz XScale makes a better job of it in S/W, and is not tied to specific codecs; plus many video chipsets/cores offer some form of video helper functions in hardware too (although it seems certain chipset manufacturers don't want developers to use the features )
The only advantage I can see for OMAP is the cost to manufacture, which of course isn't passed on to us consumers...
rough release date
How long do they usually take to release these things after the public find out about them?
Another link
Here's another link I found on the Italian website. This should also be the new HTC phone, but doesn't look exactly as the previous posted link?!? (By the way I don't speak Italian. So can't really understand anything else than HTC and the specs.) :?
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/anteprima_htc_universal.asp
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2221&zoneid=1
thats because they arent the same phone...
The universal was announced a ickle while back
The bottom link is not the universal....That's a different version of this "wizard"
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2349&zoneid=1
Name in italy is Qtek 9000
commercialize in italy 20-30 december 2005 (20/12/2005)
T-mobile name is MDA Pro
price in italy is 900 Euro
Sorry for my bad english.
Byez
HTC Wizard - Real Photos
See: http://www.windowsmobile.no/modules...e=article&sid=443&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
or get a little bit of it in english at Engadget.com
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Re: HTC Wizard - Real Photos
aamp said:
See: http://www.windowsmobile.no/modules...e=article&sid=443&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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And take a real good look at my fingers :lol:
Øystein
C'mon - where the transalation!
It's a real pitty Google doesn't have a Norwegian to English converter!
How about a few details Oystein. How does it compare with the Magician and have the buttons been moved to better locations (camera, recorded and 'other' (above the volume slider). I need to know!!!!!!!
C'mon - where the transalation!
It's a real pitty Google doesn't have a Norwegian to English converter!
How about a few details Oystein. How does it compare with the Magician and have the buttons been moved to better locations (camera, recorded and 'other' (above the volume slider). I need to know!!!!!!!
I've been walking around with one in my pocket for a few days, it feels kind of plastic, and the keyboard does not slide out in a nicely straight way, it can easily go crooked.
putting it in your pocket always gets it half slid out.
messing up the auto screen switch between landscape/portrait.
and it feels slow.
...
looked inside, it is actually just like the typhoon/sp3 smartphone, same rom layout, and same type of protections.
there is also a smartphone model coming out later this year, that is the same device, but as a smartphone. no touch screen, phone keyboard. 240x320 screen, with wifi.
that, for a smartphone is a really nice device.
willem
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9100 is great, little big to carry around, but nice with w-lan and everything else. WM2005, didn´t like it in the beginning but now after 1 week I like it.. as all the other windows-based things u can do whatever u want
But now it´s confirmed, S200 is coming to sweden in the beginning of 2006. The size is like s100, s110 unbeatable......
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...obile-review.com/pda/review/htc-prophet.shtml
The problem with S200 is that it uses the same SLOW processor like K-JAM and it only drops the keyboard, adds WiFi 801.1g and a decent 2 MPixel camera. BUT IT IS SLOW! I will go for ETEN M600 with the 400MHz samsung processor instead of the awful 200MHz TI OMAP that S200 will have!
unless i am mistaken, there is no flash on the s200?
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
Mogwai said:
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
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I'll be waiting for the next incarnation of the jam with a faster processor and 3g for Skype. Alternatively the O2 Atom is going to be released in Dec. with 400mhz processor, WiFi, edge, 2 mp camera, front firing stereo speakers and it is smaller than the jam. I think if I didn't already have the Jam I'd be getting the Atom...maybe I will get it anyway
Hi Folks,
I need a new smartphone and I love the HTC devices.
I've been reading a lot of data charts lately and I'm really confused.
WHY IN THE WORLD did they cut magicians processor power in halfs when they built his successor charmer??
Magician has an Intel XScale Prozessor Bulverde with 416 MHz. That's about the power I'm looking for. But they downgraded Charmer to a Texas Instruments OMAP 850 Prozessor with ridiculously 206 MHz.
My old beloved Wallaby has almost more power!
Can anybody explain this decision?
I didn't find any benchmark tests of charmer on the internet. Magician's benchmarks are awesome for his size and high enough to play pocket quake or watch unconverted videos, but it seems nowbody is testing Charmer.
Any people here with a Charmer who want to run SPB benchmark (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/?en) for me and post the results? or just tell me how many fps unvonverted .avi movies give you.
THX!
Hey. The charmer has about 1000 SPB benchmark points, the Magician around 1600. That's a fact, also for the Wizard and the Prophet. A good alternative could be the Hermes which comes out soon and has the Samsung 400 MHz CPU.
There are Magician benchmark, which is approx 1,200 (I've got that from http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54370&highlight=). ). As for the Charmer, it is way way way lower than that. See the chart
here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=313810#313810
The only thing Charmer is good at seems to be the graphics. But there is a benchmark on charmer regarding video playback, which is still not as good as the Magician, which I suspect because of the low bandwidth of the Charmer's file I/O.
Take a look here as well
http://www.modaco.com/Benchmark_results_of_MDA_Compact_II-t234674.html
Any idea why they sacrificed so much power?
the data charts don't really say something about great improvement in batery life due to the slower CPU, which appears to be the only logical reason to downgrade a CPU in a PDA.
why did they do that? the charmer seemed so promising perfect with WM 5, long batery life and small size....
is WM 5.0 less power hungery?
Most state that WM5 is slower. I suppose this is mainly due to the new memory layout of WM5.
Why did they include a slower CPU into the Charmer? Maybe due to the cheaper price and HTCs stupid management? If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
The charmer is a rediculous device as the successor of the Magician.
Most state that WM5 is slower. I suppose this is mainly due to the new memory layout for WM5.
Why did they include a slower CPU into the Charmer? Maybe due to the cheaper price and a stupid management? If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
Another probable reason for the lack in speed in Charmer probably due to the persistant flash memory (doesn't need battery to keep the data) which is usually slower than the non-persistant ones. Think of it as having SD as storage for the Charmer. Someone ought to do a test on Wizard and compare Charmer against Wizard.
I think they reduce the processor speed in order to increase the battery life... because most of the times, fast processor consumes battery life as well. we can see from iPAQ h6365 where it uses 168MHz processor. battery life was very good (apart from its 1800Mah battery, of course)
geoffrey23 said:
I think they reduce the processor speed in order to increase the battery life... because most of the times, fast processor consumes battery life as well. we can see from iPAQ h6365 where it uses 168MHz processor. battery life was very good (apart from its 1800Mah battery, of course)
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exactly
the charmer and the prophet are designed as fones with ppc capabilities.
ppc battery life is a day or less, the charmer et al several days.
all depends on what you want the device for really, sometimes the lack of speed frustrates me, but the ability to go days between charges doesnt
Any one knwos the battery life of the Magician? My Charmer last only like 3-4 days with average 1/2 hours of talk and some basic usage, 24 hours phone on - standby
MY MAGICIAN (o2 XDAII mini) can only last for maximum 2 days...
And it 's very unstable when battery is getting low ...
Thoughts: Slower CPU and higher capacity battery seems to be the only solution to extend the battery life.... I rather charge every day and have a faster device
Dandie said:
If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
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thanks for the tip with the eten m600. looks really nice.
do you know any company who sells them with contracts in germany? I have problems finding carriers outside england on google or ebay.
I guess hermes will take another month (or two).
moeph said:
thanks for the tip with the eten m600. looks really nice.
do you know any company who sells them with contracts in germany? I have problems finding carriers outside england on google or ebay.
I guess hermes will take another month (or two).
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You can get it for example here
Lets wait for the HTC Trinity
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/01/htc-trinity-revealed/
Always waiting - I'm sick of it 8)
The Hermes has everything besides GPS that the Trinity will have. It doesn't feature normal SD cards as well, that may have been a reason for me to wait. Integrated GPS is useless in my opinion. The integrated reveivers have bad connection quality and all maps that you can get for navigation software are only working well for car navigation - my car has enough space for a Bluetooth GPS mouse. No need to wait if you ask me.
OK, but HTC Hermes is not HTC Magician form factor. It has a keyboard and is much heavier and thicker. It compares to the HTC Wizard.
The HTC Prophet I will skip, it is the same form factor as Magician, but has a slow CPU and no UMTS/HSDPA.
And to bring you up to date: in those new devices is an "A-GPS" which means "assisted GPS". This means, GPS data is supported by localization data from the mobile network. That results in a much quicker first satellite fix and equals out some disadvantages of these small GPS chips. However, if your mobile network provider does not support A-GPS, you have a weaker GPS reception than with state of the art GPS mouses.
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OK, but HTC Hermes is not HTC Magician form factor. It has a keyboard and is much heavier and thicker. It compares to the HTC Wizard.
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Mh, ok. I will see how much the difference is in my pocket. I think it weighs 30 grams more than the Magician and is about 5 mm thicker. I think I can live with that, especially because I'd like to have a keyboard and I don't want to wait anymore
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And to bring you up to date: in those new devices is an "A-GPS" which means "assisted GPS". This means, GPS data is supported by localization data from the mobile network. That results in a much quicker first satellite fix and equals out some disadvantages of these small GPS chips. However, if your mobile network provider does not support A-GPS, you have a weaker GPS reception than with state of the art GPS mouses.
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Ok, you're right, assuming your provider supports A-GPS (additional costs?). But still there is the point with the standard navigation software which just isn't suited for navigation by foot or by bike. For the car, I can use a GPS mouse without any disadvantage (I already have one anyway). Personally, I don't see a good reason to wait for the Trinity.
omap 850 isn't slow!!! intel xscale is only 416 Mhz arm9 core while omap is an 195 mhz arm9 combined vith 67,5Mhz arm7 mcu(mcu speeds up the main core cause it controles ram instead of main core) so 195 mhz omap is aprox. or more 312 mhz of xscale, it also has 100 MHZ integer and floating point core and 2d accelator.....
So you say charmer is actually faster than magician? I'm having a dilema between these two, don't know which to buy? But would prefer faster...
of course no.
To my knowledge many hardware upgrades can be made to the Universal.
Seeing earlier posts of Universal Motherboards and chipsets...
It is possible to solder and upgrade the Universal.
Upgrades Include:
1. RAM - Suggested Hynix DDR / SDR RAM
2. Processor - nVidia (includes video card upgrade) if you are lucky or the new Intel PXA29x Monahans or Intel Bulverade x270 650mhz processor.
3. Wifi upgrade to Atheros ABG
All these upgrades are possible. If anyone is successful on doing these upgrades or has any ideas from where these parts can be obtained.. we are looking at the next generation pocket pc's and mobile devices to be created on xda-developers.
nuclear said:
To my knowledge many hardware upgrades can be made to the Universal.
Seeing earlier posts of Universal Motherboards and chipsets...
It is possible to solder and upgrade the Universal.
Upgrades Include:
1. RAM - Suggested Hynix DDR / SDR RAM
2. Processor - nVidia (includes video card upgrade) if you are lucky or the new Intel PXA29x Monahans or Intel Bulverade x270 650mhz processor.
3. Wifi upgrade to Atheros ABG
All these upgrades are possible. If anyone is successful on doing these upgrades or has any ideas from where these parts can be obtained.. we are looking at the next generation pocket pc's and mobile devices to be created on xda-developers.
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Why not suggest this to a real company like Pocket PC Techs: http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~O2_XDA_Exec-500~area~repairs.htm
They already have a repair section for the Universal. It might be easier for them to acquire everything, plus it would give us the option of having trained professionals handling our Universal.
But I read sometime ago, someone already tried this and did not work.
Mobile SDR/DDR RAM
I will consult Pocket PC Techs as you say they are professionals.
I will consult Intel, Atheros and Hynix on obtaining the parts. I am highly trained with soldering since i recently upgraded the video card on my motioncomputing LE1600 tablet pc ($5000). This phone Universal costed me $1200 from expansys and I would not like it to get busted. But i am pretty sure i can do it myself. If successful i will post pictures of the new chipset. Most certainly it will fit into the same body. Device Driver flashing will need a new ROM... i guess Helmi's/Ivans/Jwrights ROMS wont work. Anyways this will take me a week to a month to obtain the parts. And a few days to solder.
The hard part is making the ROM. Maybe my new project of Windows Crossbow i can integrate the device drivers into the ROM since they will be provided by the manufacturer for sure. So its not impossible i would say. Getting help from Pocket PC Techs really sounds good.
nuclear
I have already done this operation on Universal.
Now I have
CPU -Intel P4
Video- NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2
RAM- Nynix -10TB.
OS-Photon
You foolish and tell the delirium!
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nuclear
I have already done this operation on Universal.
Now I have
CPU -Intel P4
Video- NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2
RAM- Nynix -10TB.
OS-Photon
You foolish and tell the delirium!
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Please do not spam on the forum with false information. If you have really performed the upgrades post the picture of your new chipset and the Photon OS.
added foto
Again Spam
The Hynix RAM is not at the bottom right. It is supposed to be on the left. This is what the image is. Which i got from another thread! The RAM is supposed to be soldered on the top right. Right beside those 3, 2 slots are left for RAM to be soldered. And there is no Intel P4 processor. I guess people can use this as a reference to solder.
Anyways i am not going to keep mentioning about your spam. Because wind just adds more to the fire. The rest is upto the forum administrators.
get a sense of humour, man
It makes me cringed to see a naked Universal like that. It is like throwing $1000 to the trash.
not if you know what you're doing.
i for one would love a GeForce Go and faster WiFi in there. But isn't there a problem with RAM addressing over 64Mb?
r3bel said:
not if you know what you're doing.
i for one would love a GeForce Go and faster WiFi in there. But isn't there a problem with RAM addressing over 64Mb?
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Exactly what i was thinking. Upgrade the RAM and the processor (processor upgrading i think is impossible). And then the video card <-- not great chance of upgrading.
Currently i can only give confirmation based on my skills that i can upgrade the RAM. Getting hands on the hynix SDR/DDR RAM will not be easy either.
I am also sure that these upgrades shall keep our Universals tuned in for another 5 - 10 years along with Windows Mobile Crossbow and Windows Photon. Just like the Windows Vista that will be up and running for 10-15 years.
Anyways after these upgrades are successful i plan on marketing my product of research and upgrade for twice the same price as the universal. I shall post pictures of the device once it is upgraded and what the new ROM recognises.
I am currently working on Windows Crossbow and Windows Photon as well.
Now i base my research on facts from wiki so there is no chance of failure.
nuclear said:
Exactly what i was thinking. Upgrade the RAM and the processor (processor upgrading i think is impossible). And then the video card <-- not great chance of upgrading.
Currently i can only give confirmation based on my skills that i can upgrade the RAM. Getting hands on the hynix SDR/DDR RAM will not be easy either.
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would would the CPU be impossible to ugrade? I believe the RAM is the most difficult because, I think, Win Mo doesn't recognize more than 64MB... but I don't have facts for that. would be awesome to have 128MB or even 256, 512 would be tha sh1t! I checked those chips and I have a PDF 'bout it... if it helps. but I haven't seen such low capacity
Now the processor would be awesome to upgrade, too... but why not? maybe pin configuration? or would they be able to compile WinMo for just one speed of a processor? or are we talking 'bout different processors altogether?
I was checking the internet 'bout such things, reflow stations(pro, DIY) and solder paste, but I'm afraid to try with my Universal as I haven't done it before. any ideas?
Yubastard said:
would would the CPU be impossible to ugrade? I believe the RAM is the most difficult because, I think, Win Mo doesn't recognize more than 64MB... but I don't have facts for that. would be awesome to have 128MB or even 256, 512 would be tha sh1t! I checked those chips and I have a PDF 'bout it... if it helps. but I haven't seen such low capacity
Now the processor would be awesome to upgrade, too... but why not? maybe pin configuration? or would they be able to compile WinMo for just one speed of a processor? or are we talking 'bout different processors altogether?
I was checking the internet 'bout such things, reflow stations(pro, DIY) and solder paste, but I'm afraid to try with my Universal as I haven't done it before. any ideas?
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1. Steps to upgrade the processor.
a. Remove the existing soldered chip off the motherboard (most likely will damage the motherboard while removing the existing processor chip)
b. Obtain the next processor chip. Probably will be from the same family of processors or any other compatible chip and solder it on.
c. Make a ROM that supports this hardware.
Higher End processors:
PXA27x (The universal one)
The PXA27x family (code-named Bulverde) consists of the PXA270 and PXA271-PXA272 processors. This revision is a huge update to the XScale family of processors. The PXA270 <-- (((this one is ours))) is clocked in four different speeds: 312 MHz, 416 MHz, (((520 MHz))) and (((624 MHz <-- (((this is what we can upgrade to most likely))) and is a stand-alone processor with no packaged memory. The PXA271 can be clocked to 312 MHz or 416 MHz and has 32 MiB of 16-bit stacked StrataFlash memory and 32 MiB of 16-bit SDRAM in the same package. The PXA272 can be clocked to 312 MHz, 416 MHz or 520 MHz and has 64 MiB of 32-bit stacked StrataFlash memory.
Now this is the processor we are aiming for:
In August 2005 Intel announced the successor to Bulverde, codenamed Monahans. They demoed it showing its capability to play back high definition encoded video on a PDA screen. The new processor was shown clocked at 1.25 GHz but Intel said it only offered a 25% increase in performance (800 MIPS for the 624 MHz PXA270 processor vs 1000 MIPS for 1.25 GHz Monahans). An announced successor to the 2700G graphics processor, code named Stanwood, has since been cancelled. Some of the features of Stanwood are integrated into Monahans. For extra graphics capabilities, Intel recommends third party chips like the Nvidia GoForce chip family <-- ((NOT AUTHORIZED BY NVIDIA)).
******NOW CHECK THIS OUT:: YOU THOUGHT THE PROCESSOR WAS EVERYTHING RIGHT? WELL SEEMS LIKE YOU WERE WRONG::READ WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE RAM********
This is why i chose Hynix and not Samsung
Hynix Semiconductor Inc. (Hangul: 하이닉스 반도체) KSE: 000660 is an electronics company founded in 1983 as Hyundai Electronics Industries Co., Ltd. In the 1980s and 1990s it was mainly focusing on marketing DRAM, and then later SDRAM. In 2001 the business sold their TFT LCD assets for $650m, of the same year they developed the world's first 128MB DDR SDRAM for graphics.
Hynix is among the Worldwide Top 20 Semiconductor Sales Leaders.
In 2004-2005 an investigation was carried out into a worldwide DRAM price fixing conspiracy during 1999-2002 that damaged competition and raised PC prices. As a result, Samsung <-- (SEE SAMSUNG IS A LOSER) is to pay $300 million fine, Hynix was to pay $185 mln in 2005, Infineon: $160 mln in 2004. Micron Technology cooperated with prosecutors and no fine is expected.
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And now getting to the RAM
The RAM is an addon in the universal and not a replacement. Replacements are very damaging to the device and decreases the life of the device.
So all we got to do is addon the RAM.
Now i am going to personally speak to a Hynix manager and ask him if our devices are upgradable. I will also ask him about the pricing and how we can make bulk orders. I will read on more about RAM and what should we buy exactly? They manufacture so many products and you dont want to pick the wrong one.
Ah yes and they also manufacture better LCD screens for the Universal. In case some one wants to take on that project most welcome to. I would love a Anti-glare glass screen for my universal.
RAM,processor or WiFi of Universal cannot be upgrated,though RAM of HP4700 can be upgrated to 128MB.but the camera of Universal can be upgrated to 3.0MP.It costs only RMB200(USD25).There are already many people(except me) upgrated their camera of Uni.I will post the pictures later
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RAM,processor or WiFi of Universal cannot be upgrated,though RAM of HP4700 can be upgrated to 128MB.but the camera of Universal can be upgrated to 3.0MP.It costs only RMB200(USD25).There are already many people(except me) updated their camera of Uni.I will post the pictures later
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$25 USD Sounds too unreal for a 3MP camera upgrade for Universal. What is the optical zoom/digital zoom/lens mm? We here at xda-developers.com are looking into technical and specific details. I dont want a 3MP camera with barely any optical/digital zoom and images that cant be taken in a sunny day.
Also RAM upgrade is possible. Why else do you think those two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard?
I was sure that the camera can be upgraded too. I will find out more camera details and keep the forum posted. Since i am a professional SLR photographer i can provide the best camera's to the Universal device.
This means a stronger high beam flash can also be upgraded.
nuclear said:
$25 USD Sounds too unreal for a 3MP camera upgrade for Universal. What is the optical zoom/digital zoom/lens mm? We here at xda-developers.com are looking into technical and specific details. I dont want a 3MP camera with barely any optical/digital zoom and images that cant be taken in a sunny day.
Also RAM upgrade is possible. Why else do you think those two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard?
I was sure that the camera can be upgraded too. I will find out more camera details and keep the forum posted. Since i am a professional SLR photographer i can provide the best camera's to the Universal device.
This means a stronger high beam flash can also be upgraded.
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Maybe $25 USD Sounds unreal for you,but in China,it's real.But now I can't find out the pictures of it on Chinese forum. It has optical zoom.
The battery costs only $25 in China,the imitated one costs only $7.And the 3200mAh battery costs less than $15 now,though I bought it for $19 5 months ago.I bought my T-Mobile MDA Pro for about $530.
Two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard is because the Universal was fist made for Windows Mobile 2003,which must has 128MB RAM.Do know CeBIT 2005?CeBIT 2005 had a Universal(T-Mobile MDA PRO) on show,which has WM2003 and 128MB RAM.
But someone had his HP4700 upgrated to 128MB RAM said that the Universal couldnot be upgrated to 128MB.He didn't tell me the reason.And so far,I have never seen any one have his Universal upgrated to 128MB RAM.
Battery and Camera
yinfo you might be correct about the battery. I actually bought my Universal for around the same price as yours. Just $100 more. My 3200mAh battery also costed around the same price as yours. All my items came ofcourse from Shanghai and Ho Chi Minh and Hong Kong.
But my RAM is going to come from South Korea, Seoul.
Some good stuff is also being sold at Hanoi in Vietnam. Better check that place out.
Camera upgrade cannot be so cheap. It really sounds too unreal. I mean camera is not equal to battery. Maybe $100-$200 will be more realistic. Anyways I am still looking into this camera upgrade on the net, will find some results soon and keep the forum posted.
hehe, it all sounds so exotic! I got my universal for £150 on a rainy high street in the UK!
loving the chance for a camera replacement, though. also, i had a browse through the universal's disassembly manual, and the flash LED is just stuck-down then plugged in. i bet even I could upgrade that!
r3bel said:
hehe, it all sounds so exotic! I got my universal for £150 on a rainy high street in the UK!
loving the chance for a camera replacement, though. also, i had a browse through the universal's disassembly manual, and the flash LED is just stuck-down then plugged in. i bet even I could upgrade that!
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I want to upgrade the flash LED to the flash in the SLR digital camera. So that i get better image quality while taking photographs in the public. Also i would like a 3MP camera. I have printed images on photo paper before and they came out nice. But 3MP would be the best.
nuclear You foolish !!
You absolutely do not understand in electronics and PPC.
1) You can not change the processor since this not PC. Mobile processors PXA 270 and PXA2XX to have other points and other auxiliary elements.
2) Such reasons and about graphic chip.
3)The Camera can be theoretically modernized -but if have an alike connector and electrically parameters.
We conducted the modernization on typhoon c500 cameras. This device was delivered on european and chinese market with miscellaneous camera.
When installation of the other camera -you need other ROM with the other driver for this cameras. You can not simply change this driver - necessary to build in this in ROM.
I did this on typhoon c500. But this in a complicated way.
4) Theoretically you may add on Universal RAM - my friends conducted modernization and tried to enlarge RAM - but you may use only such RAM as it is used in Universal.
My friends concern with the repair PPC to have specialized device. In home condition you will not be able this do.
After they were added chip RAM - a system does not see these chips. We thought that probably system does not see additional RAm since does not enter the signal CS ( chip select ) -we have found this signal on board. But probably system does not see RAM since is not installed specific driver which will be able to service additional RAM.
nuclear
Be enough to carry the foolishness and tell about that that you do not understand - you probably foolish young person who wants to raise its rating in this forum.
Have a look:
http://www.mobinaute.com/76097-image-htc-omni-pdaphone-3g-gps-windows-mobile.html
can't WAIT!!!!
Cheers
Nice find!
But, it still looks like an unfinished design to me.
yeah, but release date was set for NOVEMBER 2007 (two o o seven)
Will see what will happen then- by I can't really wait
I can't read the site, but what is the difference between the coming HTC OMNI and the IMate Ultimate 7150: http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_7150-1882.php
Or which is better? Hoping that both will come out this year...
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For me, the main thing is "omni is htc innovation"
In French, I cannot read French.
Detailed Information on the HTC Omni
Translated french website to English http://translate.google.com/transla...t&prev=/search?q=www.mobinaute.com&hl=en&sa=G
More details on the HTC Omni http://mobilitysite.com/2007/07/htc-omni-details-leaked/ The difference Between the HTC Omni & I-mate Ultimate 7150 is that the I-mate Ultimate 7150 is not made by HTC. I had emailed I-mate out of Dubai a few months ago on this question and that's what they replied back to me. The HTC Omni is the predecessor of the HTC Univerisal. By comparing the specifications of the two I would 100% pick the HTC Omni over the I-mate Ultimate 7150. I currently have a Qtek 9000 and am waiting for the HTC Omni once available to upgrade to this device. It is well worth the wait.
Am I the only one who thinks that the Omni's design totally sucks?...
I mean, come on guys, IMHO its plain ugly :s
Tech:
CPU: Samsung 400MHz
Screens: 4 inch, 800 x 480 (probably like EXEC so you can rotate it) + 2nd small on the front
Mem: 128 RAM, 256 disk mem
BT: 2.0
WiFi: 802.11g
Radio: GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA
They are not too sure if there will be GPS (Qualcomm?) or when PDA will be released. Probably November but we will see
Personaly I just can't wait!!!!!!!
(on the other hand I can't imagine 800x480. Which app will support this? I do have problems with VGA sometimes...
800 x 640 or 800 x 480?
edit: its is 800 x 480(not 800 x 640 as mentioned in the aforementioned post) See here
kdskamal said:
800 x 640 or 800 x 480?
edit: its is 800 x 480(not 800 x 640 as mentioned in the aforementioned post) See here
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Kamal is right I was TOO EXITED
Cheers and thanks!
which processor
Which processor is better - the 400mhz sammy or the 520 mhz intel - cause i know mhz isnt everything - but it does seem to me like all these processors could do with a little more power
wraypa1 said:
Which processor is better - the 400mhz sammy or the 520 mhz intel - cause i know mhz isnt everything - but it does seem to me like all these processors could do with a little more power
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As far as I know .... there are no information about CPU jet.
So we should simply wait until someone leaks this info.
Speculation does not make any sense.
UPD: Looks like the Samsung 400Mhz can be true but I hope they will use the ~620Mhz CPU from Athena
wraypa1 said:
Which processor is better - the 400mhz sammy or the 520 mhz intel - cause i know mhz isnt everything - but it does seem to me like all these processors could do with a little more power
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Samsung's 400mhz throughput is ~=Intel's 520mhz
kdskamal said:
Samsung's 400mhz throughput is ~=Intel's 520mhz
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Anyway, if there will be some kind of graphical accelerator then CPU can be slower/same speed.
We do need GPU!
columb said:
Anyway, if there will be some kind of graphical accelerator then CPU can be slower/same speed.
We do need GPU!
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I guess, there will be a GPU in it ... cause of the TV/VGA out
I also hope that the AUX display will realy be part of the device.
Park said:
Translated french website to English http://translate.google.com/transla...t&prev=/search?q=www.mobinaute.com&hl=en&sa=G
More details on the HTC Omni http://mobilitysite.com/2007/07/htc-omni-details-leaked/ The difference Between the HTC Omni & I-mate Ultimate 7150 is that the I-mate Ultimate 7150 is not made by HTC. I had emailed I-mate out of Dubai a few months ago on this question and that's what they replied back to me. The HTC Omni is the predecessor of the HTC Univerisal. By comparing the specifications of the two I would 100% pick the HTC Omni over the I-mate Ultimate 7150. I currently have a Qtek 9000 and am waiting for the HTC Omni once available to upgrade to this device. It is well worth the wait.
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Another translated French link to English http://translate.google.com/transla...rch?q=www.mobinaute.com+(HTC+Omni)&hl=en&sa=G
Micro SD is very disappointing, I don't understand why so many manufacturers of PDA-phones are using this when normal-SD is surely cheaper and can support 8GB+? Other than that, very impressive
sl9 said:
Micro SD is very disappointing, I don't understand why so many manufacturers of PDA-phones are using this when normal-SD is surely cheaper and can support 8GB+? Other than that, very impressive
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I guess, this could be the same mafia methods ... they are doing with printers.
The Micro-SD drive could be mutch cheaper then a normal SD drive. So a hardware builder will select the cheaper one.
The only thing which worries me is LACK of official info/real pictures etc.
This French site is claiming that Omni should be available in November 2007...
Anyway, fingers crossed! There is nothing really good at the moment on the market.
So, here is the thing, i bought my father a phone from one of those chinese imports, at the time i didnt quite check the autenticity of the product, i looked at the price and purchased, well, my father will never figure it out ir its real or not, im just asking out of curiosity
Here is the link of the item i purchased
www . aliexpress . com / snapshot / 100404380 . html
(remove spaces)
Sorry, it seems i cant post links, but its sort of necessary for this question
Its funny that even the box looks real, what caught my attention were the sound holes in the back
Anyways, looking for some expert eyes on it, its payed already, im not going to regret my purchase or anything, its just out of curiosity, the link above is filled with imgs of the phone.
Thanks in advance.
By looking at the 6th and 8th pictures (bottom of the phone; open back of the phone) in the description, you can easily tell it's fake. The 3.5mm headphone jack is missing from the bottom of the phone, the hardware Home Button (should be between Call and Start) is missing, and the back of the phone does not have that layout. Heck, the provided battery is 1500mAh, whereas the stock HTC HD2 battery is only 1230mAh.
DSkhury said:
So, here is the thing, i bought my father a phone from one of those chinese imports, at the time i didnt quite check the autenticity of the product, i looked at the price and purchased, well, my father will never figure it out ir its real or not, im just asking out of curiosity
Here is the link of the item i purchased
www . aliexpress . com / snapshot / 100404380 . html
(remove spaces)
Sorry, it seems i cant post links, but its sort of necessary for this question
Its funny that even the box looks real, what caught my attention were the sound holes in the back
Anyways, looking for some expert eyes on it, its payed already, im not going to regret my purchase or anything, its just out of curiosity, the link above is filled with imgs of the phone.
Thanks in advance.
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fake......
Lol figured it was,
It seems it comes with the same processing unit tho, snapdragon 1 ghz, hopefully my dad will never notice the diferece, anyone knows if its possible to install android on this fake phone?
sadly no its not an hd2 and therefore hd2 roms will brick it
DSkhury said:
Lol figured it was,
It seems it comes with the same processing unit tho, snapdragon 1 ghz, hopefully my dad will never notice the diferece, anyone knows if its possible to install android on this fake phone?
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Yes Android can be run on it...there are special custom ROMs....a search should do !!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916087
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969661
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988070
DSkhury said:
Lol figured it was,
It seems it comes with the same processing unit tho, snapdragon 1 ghz, hopefully my dad will never notice the diferece, anyone knows if its possible to install android on this fake phone?
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I don't think so.
Cpu: 533M Hisilicon (updated to be Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250, 1GHz)
RAM + ROM: 256MB
(Updated software to be 512ROM +488 RAM)
4.3inches resistance touch screen-Does that mean i can punch it and it will survive?
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Resolution: 480 X 800 WVGA
Windows Mobile phone 6.5
Cpu: 533M Hisilicon (updated to be Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250, 1GHz)
RAM + ROM: 256MB
(Updated software to be 512ROM +488 RAM)
Dual Camera 3.0 mega camera dual LED flashlights and auto focus - Dual Camera 3.0 WTF? hahaha its totally fake but an interesting buy
Let me know how it goes
This one sounds like a more legit HD2 Maybe Not But Id Go For It
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/405273898/windows_mobile_phone_hd2_dual_sim.html
windows mobile phone hd2 dual sim
1 dual sim standby
2 dual camera about 8.0/1.3
3 windows mobile 6.5
4 wifi gps
Features:
Windows Mobile 6.5 OS smartphone
Quad-band:GSM900/1800/1900/850MHz;
Fashionable Shining Style:
4.3” TOUCH Screen WVGA Capacitive Screen:480x800 pixel resolution;
4.3'' big screen capacitive screen dual sim smart phone
Language:Chinese/Japanese/English/French/German/Greek/Finnish/Italian/Swedish/Spanish/Dutch/Norwegian/Danish/Czech/Polish/Portuguese/Russian/Korean
LCD Size :4.3 inches WVGA, 800x480px
OS:Windows Mobile 6.5
CPU :MTK6516 460*2
GPS :Support
WiFi :Support, 802.11b
Memory: 512M RAM ,256M ROM , built-in 8GB standard ( 16GB for choice )
Music: Perfect bass output, equipped with one professional earphone
Camera ual cameras( Front 1.3MP,Back about 8.0MP camera, auto focus )
Video: 3GP/MPG4/AVI/ASF/WMV/RMVB/AMR video; MP3/WAV/WMA audio
FM :radio Support
Data Transfer USB/Bluetooth, U disc under the third party software, activsync
Telephone directories 100000 groups, unlimited telephone directory, can record more than 20 items
Games built-in PPC games,can download thousands of PPC 3D games,JAVA 3D unimited download.
More information Office softwares and other PPC softwares
Color black
Size 121x 67 x 12.6 mm
Weight 150g
mrxkills said:
This one sounds like a more legit HD2 Maybe Not But Id Go For It
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/405273898/windows_mobile_phone_hd2_dual_sim.html
windows mobile phone hd2 dual sim
1 dual sim standby
2 dual camera about 8.0/1.3
3 windows mobile 6.5
4 wifi gps
Features:
Windows Mobile 6.5 OS smartphone
Quad-band:GSM900/1800/1900/850MHz;
Fashionable Shining Style:
4.3” TOUCH Screen WVGA Capacitive Screen:480x800 pixel resolution;
4.3'' big screen capacitive screen dual sim smart phone
Language:Chinese/Japanese/English/French/German/Greek/Finnish/Italian/Swedish/Spanish/Dutch/Norwegian/Danish/Czech/Polish/Portuguese/Russian/Korean
LCD Size :4.3 inches WVGA, 800x480px
OS:Windows Mobile 6.5
CPU :MTK6516 460*2
GPS :Support
WiFi :Support, 802.11b
Memory: 512M RAM ,256M ROM , built-in 8GB standard ( 16GB for choice )
Music: Perfect bass output, equipped with one professional earphone
Camera ual cameras( Front 1.3MP,Back about 8.0MP camera, auto focus )
Video: 3GP/MPG4/AVI/ASF/WMV/RMVB/AMR video; MP3/WAV/WMA audio
FM :radio Support
Data Transfer USB/Bluetooth, U disc under the third party software, activsync
Telephone directories 100000 groups, unlimited telephone directory, can record more than 20 items
Games built-in PPC games,can download thousands of PPC 3D games,JAVA 3D unimited download.
More information Office softwares and other PPC softwares
Color black
Size 121x 67 x 12.6 mm
Weight 150g
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The internal storage and RAM are pretty low. If I was buying a clone, I'd at least get 1024 storage and 1024 RAM. And preferably the snapdragon CPU.
EDIT: But the key thing to realize is that it will probably NOT work with the standard custom ROMs in these forums; it has different hardware. So whatever you get is what you have for an OS.