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Motorola Xoom launches without Flash support

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/21/motorola-xoom-will-ship-without-flash-support-on-february-24th/

Looks like we both caught this at the same time. I found it on Verizon's site
which makes it pretty official.

Well i get mine thursday & i was hoping i could go to the market & use the current version of flash until 10.2 comes out..my dell streak 7 ran flash beautifully..hope that works.

I can not forsee that working. If it was that easy why would it not already me included. I am sure we will get support at some point but Google and Motorola are releasing a high end tablet and are doing so handicapped.
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Relax, it will be updated
Just enjoy your web browsing experience without Flash for a while ....
Or you can "skin" your Xoom to look like an iPad for that ... LOL!
Just kidding.
I am not worry though about this Flash thing.
I more worry about the promised SD card support.

now i think somewhat of the "i am a apple, i am a pc" commercial
where the xoom is represented by a crippled guy.
just sad motorola your tablet sounds more and more "promising"
guess im going to wait for the HTC or other competition what they bring

I'm sorry, but they just shot themselves in the foot. Zero flash support on release and its expected sometime this spring? I'm done, I'm no longer picking this up. No flash is one of the main reasons I hate my ipad, I'm not going to drop more money on something just to wait for an update.
My older android phone has flash, but not the newer honeycomb wielding tablet?
WTF
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvzsqab4KKQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It clearly says in this video that Flash Player 10.1 will work. Also, I got to play with a preproduction xoom from the Motorola Rep at my AT&T store a week or two ago (what a nice guy, right?). He said it did run Flash 10.1 but it wasn't currently on the device because the unit had no access to the marketplace. I believe in this case, Moto/Vzn is referring to Flash 10.2.

Sirchuk said:
I'm sorry, but they just shot themselves in the foot. Zero flash support on release and its expected sometime this spring? I'm done, I'm no longer picking this up. No flash is one of the main reasons I hate my ipad, I'm not going to drop more money on something just to wait for an update.
My older android phone has flash, but not the newer honeycomb wielding tablet?
WTF
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Honeycomb is geared towards tablets, so maybe some apks won't load properly on Honeycomb as they would Froyo or Gingerbread. Plus, Motorola is pretty good at keeping their higher end products updated. It's not like they've refused flash now.
But I myself don't understand why there is no flash support for Honeycomb. Some apps like Launcher Pro, and ADW push okay with Honeycomb as far as I know, so I don't see why Flash wouldn't. Maybe it has something to do with Flash 10.2.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvzsqab4KKQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It clearly says in this video that Flash Player 10.1 will work. Also, I got to play with a preproduction xoom from the Motorola Rep at my AT&T store a week or two ago (what a nice guy, right?). He said it did run Flash 10.1 but it wasn't currently on the device because the unit had no access to the marketplace. I believe in this case, Moto/Vzn is referring to Flash 10.2.
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No one has support for 10.2 under Android right now. Plus that ad is directly from Verizon that popped up in the early morning, where as that video is from about a month ago. It's not lying really, the hardware supports flash. But flash isn't available. Could be something like they thought it would be ready by release, but Motorola and Verizon have kept pushing the release date of the Xoom more and more.

It brings to mind the cliq, they kept promising an update to it over and over and over, then after several months of lower and lower sales they just dropped it and canceled the update. Leaving all the customers that listened to them high and dry.
I can totally see this with the xoom, especially with the already high price.
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So its also official that the Verizon Xoom will require a one month subscription on the Verizon network to activate?
What kind of BS is that? Although I plan to tether my phone not everyone will so I do not want to not have the option later on down to road to activate the 4G capability for sell it to someone looking to have it both. I am willing to pay for that option but to have to activate a subscription now while I can tether on another system is DUMB!
If they would have priced this at $699.00 they would have made a hugh impact on the market I think. They could recover through volume not clubbing people over the head with the $799.00 price then hit them up with a $50-60 activation of a 3G plan. I hope they don't plan to charge an activation fee as well. This would be illegal.

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What, exactly, does this post have to do with Flash support? Many threads on the cost of the 3g&wifi or the wifi only versions... Not to mention the activation threads that would have much better suited your needs.
mrmomoman said:
If they would have priced this at $699.00 they would have made a hugh impact on the market I think. They could recover through volume not clubbing people over the head with the $799.00 price then hit them up with a $50-60 activation of a 3G plan. I hope they don't plan to charge an activation fee as well. This would be illegal.
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Aside from me not being a grammar nazi on your post, I'm curious. What exactly would be illegal about a cell company charging an activation fee to use their data service?

Sirchuk said:
It brings to mind the cliq, they kept promising an update to it over and over and over, then after several months of lower and lower sales they just dropped it and canceled the update. Leaving all the customers that listened to them high and dry.
I can totally see this with the xoom, especially with the already high price.
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Like I said, Motorola is good at keeping their higher end devices updated. Plus seeing that it's on Verizon, Verizon is also one of the main reasons why Motorola devices on their networks received regular updates.

A guy on another forum posted a link to this Youtube video, where the Xoom is clearly running Flash (banner ad at the top of a webpage) at the 2:30 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6XykDhJMY

Maybe that's an HTML5 banner?
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vbetts said:
Like I said, Motorola is good at keeping their higher end devices updated. Plus seeing that it's on Verizon, Verizon is also one of the main reasons why Motorola devices on their networks received regular updates.
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since this is a google experience device you will be getting your updates through google. you cant blame moto for software updates this time. Anyways i think the ad is just talking about 10.2 which is optimized for honeycomb. I bet the xoom will ship with 10.1. this is just blown out of proportion because of the way verizon worded it. i would even bet money on it.

djunio said:
Maybe that's an HTML5 banner?
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Could be. Someone else claimed it's Javascript.

socomdark said:
Anyways i think the ad is just talking about 10.2 which is optimized for honeycomb. I bet the xoom will ship with 10.1. this is just blown out of proportion because of the way verizon worded it. i would even bet money on it.
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I have to agree. I've seen and heard a pretty good amount of evidence that Flash 10.1 will be supported out of the box. So long as 10.1 is supported, I don't mind waiting for a 10.2 update... After all, updates are supposed to make the product better, right?

tlkid064 said:
I have to agree. I've seen and heard a pretty good amount of evidence that Flash 10.1 will be supported out of the box. So long as 10.1 is supported, I don't mind waiting for a 10.2 update... After all, updates are supposed to make the product better, right?
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If this is true, and Verizon is speaking out of turn. I think it's high time we gathered our torches and taught Verizon a lesson. I am really starting to believe they are in a conspiracy with apple. Price to piss off some people, forced activation to piss off more people, and now claiming flash isn't there. We know Verizon has higher hopes for iPad2 sales than for the XOOM.. so I think they are intentionally ****ing this launch.

ever since they bowed down and kissed apples feet, they have changed their tune and backed off pushing android phones. I have the iphone 4 on AT&T and it is a good phone, it is even better phone when you jail break it. VZW just played right into apples hand.
This was the only way for Apple to stay competive w/ android.

Are we going to be outdated before we are Dated?

I know alot of peoples stance on the SD card, Motorola never officially said when the SD card will work blahblahblah. I don't care. There are three major factors in why I chose the xoom, one it came out around tax time, two it had an SD card, and three it had a 4g upgrade in 90 days. Now the SD card, if anyone remembers correctly wasn't announced nonfumctional till within a week of its launch, I don't exactly know cause I somehow missed that memo until after I purchased my xoom. But regardless of what some people think about it, I expected it within a timely manner. Now with news of the xoom 2 hitting motors site during that slip up, I am to wonder whether our xoom will be outdated before its even got all the features I expected from it.now I know all devises get outdated rather quickly, but when i spent my 800+ on the thing I expected a good 6-12 month period before that would happen. With my lack of 4g and SD card running on stock, it looks like well be outdated when the tab 10.1 releases. Maybe not with a quadcore, or any substantial hardware, but with the features I bought my xoom for over 3 months ago. I do enjoy my xoom, and its bezel is far supirior to any other android tablet out there, but I want my damn features!
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RadDudeTommy said:
I know alot of peoples stance on the SD card, Motorola never officially said when the SD card will work blahblahblah. I don't care. There are three major factors in why I chose the xoom, one it came out around tax time, two it had an SD card, and three it had a 4g upgrade in 90 days. Now the SD card, if anyone remembers correctly wasn't announced nonfumctional till within a week of its launch, I don't exactly know cause I somehow missed that memo until after I purchased my xoom. But regardless of what some people think about it, I expected it within a timely manner. Now with news of the xoom 2 hitting motors site during that slip up, I am to wonder whether our xoom will be outdated before its even got all the features I expected from it.now I know all devises get outdated rather quickly, but when i spent my 800+ on the thing I expected a good 6-12 month period before that would happen. With my lack of 4g and SD card running on stock, it looks like well be outdated when the tab 10.1 releases. Maybe not with a quadcore, or any substantial hardware, but with the features I bought my xoom for over 3 months ago. I do enjoy my xoom, and its bezel is far supirior to any other android tablet out there, but I want my damn features!
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I think you have a right to be disappointed and even angry, because the way things are advertised these days can be very misleading. The biggest issue for you, I think, is the promised 4G conversion...that would be a big one for me. I got a WiFi Xoom only because I aready have a mobile 4G hotspot that works well for me. But I really do sympathize. Do you want to do some of the customizing (rooting/custom kernels...) that can make this a really wonderful device? Or are you trying to stay stock so that the 4G upgrade will not be problemmatic when it happens? Either way, you've got a great device. With Moore's Law and the manufacturers' desire for more and more money, no one will be able to stay on the bleeding edge of this technology for long. Try to regret less and have more fun with your Xoom. Just my 2 cents worth.

Motorola support
Motorola support is virtually non-existant. They are already selling the Xoom to discount retailers and it is selling on Ebay for $499 ( Wi-Fi model ).
The Motorola support forum is helpful as is this one. But be careful on Motorola.
I got banned for criticizing their lack of support and communication.
If you're a fanboy though you're gold there.

Arizona Willie said:
I got banned for criticizing their lack of support and communication.
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That's the reason you're going with, huh?

I'll be rooting, and I know I could now and enjoy more. My main reason for not originally had been to just make it past the 4g upgrade, but with that possibly taking another 90 days I might look into it sooner. All I really would be rooting for is the SD card, until icecream comes out and we can get some devs to make some custom roms, I really don't have that big a reason 'sides SD, and ocing. Are there any other benefits in doing so? I do have to read up on it all, cause the closest thing I did to rooting was jailbreaking the iPhone (which I did that from day one). I guess I don't really know the point of this thread besides to see if others feel the same, I mean I feel like I was straight lied too. People on here keep saying just because the SD card slot was included doesn't mean we should expect it, well that may be true for a 100$ device, but when you pay as much as some of us, it had better work, and damn fast. But I guess not, and I guess there isn't much that can be done about that. My anger isn't at the Xoom, I love this thing so much even at stock. It simply is directed towards Motorola. I wouldnt have been a hard early adopter to please, just my 4g, my SD, and with 3.1 my face literally would have stayed this way XD for days.
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kcrudup said:
That's the reason you're going with, huh?
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What happens is the Motorola fanboys gang bang people with negative opinions of Motorola. They are allowed to personally attack you, but as soon as fight back, Matt starts sending you threats of being banned.
Hell, between how I've been treated in that forum, and the obvious hardware design problems Motorola is having (see work-in-progress Xoom and the back-to-the-drawingboard Bionic), while wasting resources and time on turning Blur into Big Brother and locked bootloaders, I'm never buying a Motorola product again.
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kurttrail said:
What happens is the Motorola fanboys gang bang people with negative opinions of Motorola. They are allowed to personally attack you, but as soon as fight back, Matt starts sending you threats of being banned.
Hell, between how I've been treated in that forum, and the obvious hardware design problems Motorola is having (see work-in-progress Xoom and the back-to-the-drawingboard Bionic), while wasting resources and time on turning Blur into Big Brother and locked bootloaders, I'm never buying a Motorola product again.
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"Freedom is slavery", right?
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chbennett said:
"Freedom is slavery", right?
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Freedom to find your own SD card solution.
Freedom from 4g.
Freedom from unlocking bootloaders, except when Google forces them to have an unlockable bootloader.
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kurttrail said:
Freedom to find your own SD card solution.
Freedom from 4g.
Freedom from unlocking bootloaders, except when Google forces them to have an unlockable bootloader.
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Ah, the slogans of <strike>Ingsoc</strike> Apple:
o Freedom is Slavery
o Ignorance is Strength

RadDudeTommy said:
I'll be rooting, and I know I could now and enjoy more. My main reason for not originally had been to just make it past the 4g upgrade, but with that possibly taking another 90 days I might look into it sooner. All I really would be rooting for is the SD card, until icecream comes out and we can get some devs to make some custom roms, I really don't have that big a reason 'sides SD, and ocing. Are there any other benefits in doing so? I do have to read up on it all, cause the closest thing I did to rooting was jailbreaking the iPhone (which I did that from day one). I guess I don't really know the point of this thread besides to see if others feel the same, I mean I feel like I was straight lied too. People on here keep saying just because the SD card slot was included doesn't mean we should expect it, well that may be true for a 100$ device, but when you pay as much as some of us, it had better work, and damn fast. But I guess not, and I guess there isn't much that can be done about that. My anger isn't at the Xoom, I love this thing so much even at stock. It simply is directed towards Motorola. I wouldnt have been a hard early adopter to please, just my 4g, my SD, and with 3.1 my face literally would have stayed this way XD for days.
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Let me preface this by saying I don't give a damn about Motorola...I followed a link to that forum once and one visit was enough.
However, I think the problem also resides with Google. It's clear that the Xoom hardward supports the external SD card, but for whatever reason, out of the box Honeycomb didn't. The development community enabled it straight away. The manufaturers all want to offer the best specs (and at least the Xoom is well built) but they are operating at the commercial edge of this rapidly changing technology. Still, if they (Moto) make promises they should keep them.

I don't care who is at fault or who is to blame. When you release a product that has features they all better work and i find this to be BS on both Google and Motorola's part! As for the 4G not being enabled withing 90 days like it was promised we should get something in return for being lied to! Maybe a free camera cable!
Motorola builds good quality products but the service and lies are by far starting to outweigh all the good things. If Moto keeps locking down things and going, in my opinion, downhill I will be forced to buy other products that are not of such good quality just to distance myself from all their BS!
As much as I like android and I hate to say this but if things don't change with Google, Motorola, and the rest of the Android manufactures I for one will be going to IOS.

twinkyz1979 said:
As much as I like android and I hate to say this but if things don't change with Google, Motorola, and the rest of the Android manufactures I for one will be going to IOS.
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As the saying goes, don't let the door hit you...

twinkyz1979 said:
IAs for the 4G not being enabled withing 90 days like it was promised we should get something in return for being lied to
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How do you figure we're being "lied to"? The parts just ain't there yet- they didn't even- for whatever reason- pass FCC approval 'till very recently, and you're not gonna put an uncertified part on the air unless you wanna get your butt reamed by the Government (i.e., it wasn't gonna happen any sooner).
I'm sure there's some sound technical reasons the Mobicom/Sierra Wireless/etc. cards aren't/weren't ready yet, and considering how new LTE is, and how much battery the technology can gobble up if not properly optimized (and I can only imagine how much *****ing and moaning there WILL be when we finally do get the LTE upgrade ) I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.

kcrudup said:
I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
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Considering the obvious incompetence of Motorola promptly fulfilling their obligations to Xoom owners, I think "we all" have paid for the right to no longer be patient with Motorola or its apologists.
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Considering the obvious incompetence of Motorola promptly fulfilling their obligations to Xoom owners
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So, you didn't read a thing I wrote. Gotcha.

best way to say it...hardware is fine, unfortunatly the software still needs fine tuning, i have no problem with asny of this, imaginw a product that was perfect out of the box...hmmm then that would be no fun...well i can think of one that works perfect, a piece of paper and a crayon

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So, you didn't read a thing I wrote. Gotcha.
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I read your BS excuses and so many other excuses for over 3 months now, and the time where excuses matter is done.
Xoom is still a work-in-progress.
The Bionic went back to the drawing board.
Motorola announces Blur will now nag users about non-Motorola apps battery usage, which is hysterical, since the best battery savings move I ever made on an Android phone is putting a ROM with Blur removed on my Droid 2.
Meanwhile LG and Samsung both have LTE phones, and it's looking more and more likely that Samsung will have the first LTE Tablet.
Not to mention that Asus and xda both beat Motorola to getting a working SD card reader.
Sorry, but Motorola's incompetence is plainly seen, when not seen through the rose-tinted glasses of fanboyism.
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I read your BS excuses and so many other excuses for over 3 months now, and the time where excuses matter is done.
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Unh ... huh. So, you're blaming Moto 'cause their supplier didn't have the LTE parts ready yet for ANYONE- not me, you, or Sanjay Jha himself- to install.
OK.

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How do you figure we're being "lied to"? The parts just ain't there yet- they didn't even- for whatever reason- pass FCC approval 'till very recently, and you're not gonna put an uncertified part on the air unless you wanna get your butt reamed by the Government (i.e., it wasn't gonna happen any sooner).
I'm sure there's some sound technical reasons the Mobicom/Sierra Wireless/etc. cards aren't/weren't ready yet, and considering how new LTE is, and how much battery the technology can gobble up if not properly optimized (and I can only imagine how much *****ing and moaning there WILL be when we finally do get the LTE upgrade ) I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
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Do you know for certain the LTE card that passed FCC certification last month is destined for the Xoom?
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well if you are so dissapointed get another device and i would be happy to take youre peice of "junk" off your hands...offer $50 + P&H

Goodbye Moto, you suck & I hope we never meet again

I took delivery of my UK Xoom 3G on 2 May 2011 and fell in love with it. I knew it had bugs but I still loved it because love is blind.
I knew updates would come....I had a Google Experience Device so I just knew I wouldn't be left with a crippled device, so I kept on loving it.
Then 3.1 was released in the US. EXCELLENT I thought, in a couple of weeks we in the UK would also be shown some love by the mighty Motorola. It never came.
Other devices came late to the party and were given these mysterious software updates, my friends mocked me and my wife pleaded with me to get an iPad which would show me the same amount of love as I would give it, but I kept faith...I loved my Xoom you see.
Its now June 19th and Motorola have abandoned me, they refuse to talk to me and refuse to love me back, my poor beautifully built Xoom sits there happily force closing at every opportunity and I sit here pondering how my investment so full of promise has become a mere missed opportunity. How sad....Some relationships aren't meant to be and I for one will now be looking for a divorce. Bye Moto, I hope you can live with yourself
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I have a bit the same feelings like you...! I like my xoom really, but it piss me off that the NEW update policy of google only works in US well! Thats unfair, and this is one point why i would go to apple! Yes i have a lot of rules and things what i CANT do but i get allways software updates, for the next 2years / generations. And everyone gets the updates at the same time...!
And to Moto, Motorola should push google to deliver more update or make it like samsung to update apps over the market!!
For me at the moment, it was my first Moto device and the last one, maybee the last android...

I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!

Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.

zone23 said:
Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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You're also in the US. Where we got the 3.1 update. So ours is working better than theirs.

csseale said:
I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!
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I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't

zone23 said:
Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault

andyiacovou said:
I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't
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But at least they SEE

andyiacovou said:
Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault
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I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?

Let me also add this:
If you would have said that you were going to a Transformer or a HTC View then I would have thought it was the device. Instead you said a iPad which means its the operating system and using the device that you don't like. Maybe your Xoom is defective. Did you try getting it replaced?

zone23 said:
I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?
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Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580

andyiacovou said:
Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580
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Ya it sucks that other country versions of the Xoom suck so bad that is lame. We don't do apple in our house as a matter of fact we don't even speak of it. Also I did not root to fix problems I root so I can overclock and backup my device. So basically you bring that baby home turn it on and its FC city, wow.

If you like your Xoom so much why havent you done what lots of others have done, Root it and Load the US Version, I have to say though its still not perfect.. There are no good Office apps out there so its far from being capable of being used for business. Facebook App force closes quite regularly, the mail app looks a bit mickey mouse and basic. What I wouldnt give for Thunderbird and Open Office on it!!!..

Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.

gogol said:
Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.
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If i'd known on the 2nd May that it's wasn't a GED and updates would be this slow, I probably wouldn't have purchased it. I don't think anyone knew at that point!
People keep telling me to root and flash US ROM, but as well as losing my 3g and voiding my warranty, I'm not sure I want to risk it and why should I?
Sent from my Xoom 3G

I'd be tempted to mention your dissatisfaction on the Motorola Facebook page too. Perhaps a little naming and shaming will push them a little harder, other than that, it may give other prospective European customers a little insight into the current support situation?
http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope

hey you guys I just popped in here from the transformer forum, I would think that google is not at fault with OTA updates only the state of 3.1 at the moment. my transformer was on 3.0 when it arrived on the first of June, and an update was available straight away. Ordered in the UK and shipped to spain. Same with my desire HD quickly updated to gingerbread. Its a Moto Thing.
Just glad Asus have gone down the same route as HTC, Great design and features just need the bugs in honeycomb ironing out now.

Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....

It really is a shame that moto has gone down this route of misleading its customers. I have owned a few android devices over the past 2 years from different manufacturers ; however the Xoom is my first device from moto and will most definitely be the last one from them.
The only reason that the US Xoom has gotten the 3.1 update (which isn't perfect, but addresses many of the 3.0 glitches) is because its backed by Google (GED)
Many many people outside the US have bought the Xoom fully expecting it to be a GED and rightfully so. Seems that once moto got their money the relationship was promptly ended.
I'm not sure if this applies to you, but over here, the Xoom does NOT come with the Google logo on the back.. this seems to be the indicator as to whether or not its a GE.

mickgeorge said:
Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....
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What I really need is a simple step by step guide to rooting, flashing the US ROM and get my 3g working. Sounds a lot to ask but if anyone can help I would be really grateful and might convince me to keep it.
I've looked at some of the threads in the development section but they are a little complicated to follow
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Why is Acer slow releasing 3.1? The Toshiba is looking better every day.

What is the deal with Acer? I have not received an update to address any issue since the purchase. This is quite ridiculous. If there is no release to 3.1 before the end of the month as promised (unless leaked versions are considered releases) I think its time to try a different device, maybe the Toshiba. Or HP Touchpad since Google and the manufactures can't seem to deliver a fully operational product. As a matter of fact I'm frustrated with being a lab rat for Google tablets period, the phones are awsome. Well now that i have released some tension the title of this thread should be changed.
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Impatience has never served anyone.

The leaked version clearly isn't a final build, going by a few issues with it; especially on devices in the EU. Ever thought that, just maybe, they're having a few issues localising their mods with the updated codebase of Honeycomb?
Besides which, 3.1 isn't as big a change over 3.0.1 as you might think.

Had Acer and Transformer since day 1. Been very patient.
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I guess I would rather have the gps, WiFi, and screen wake issues resloved. Everyone knows you under promise and over deliver. So Acer should say " we will relaease 3.1 in mid to late july" and actually have it pushed out 1st week of July. Therefore beating and meeting customers expectations. If Acer has a fix for their issues then release them. I can understand it may take time to address Honeycomb issues but things like the screen, wifi, and gps should have been addressed. Oh and cell standby should really be a priority.
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The leaked version clearly isn't a final build, going by a few issues with it; especially on devices in the EU. Ever thought that, just maybe, they're having a few issues localising their mods with the updated codebase of Honeycomb?
Besides which, 3.1 isn't as big a change over 3.0.1 as you might think.
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I guess I would rather have the gps, WiFi, and screen wake issues resloved. Everyone knows you under promise and over deliver. So Acer should say " we will relaease 3.1 in mid to late july" and actually have it pushed out 1st week of July. Therefore beating and meeting customers expectations. If Acer has a fix for their issues then release them. I can understand it may take time to address Honeycomb issues but things like the screen, wifi, and gps should have been addressed. Oh and cell standby should really be a priority.
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Though the screen-wake issues should be easy to fix, the gps and wifi issues would probably require mW increases to the radios, which may or may not be possible depending on the chips and if they can be updated via user updated firmware (has Acer even shown these issues as future fixes?).
The N900 had an option to increase the mW of the wifi (did not help much), but is the only device I have seen that had the option in user settings.
I had all the common issues (screen-on, weak wifi and gps), so returned the A500 and will wait for an update that at least fixes the screen-on. Was looking at the Thrive, but am hearing mixed reports about the display (some reports are it is washed out and blurry-like). I am hoping these are minority opinions (or the A500 issues get fixed).

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What is the deal with Acer? I have not received an update to address any issue since the purchase. This is quite ridiculous. If there is no release to 3.1 before the end of the month as promised (unless leaked versions are considered releases) I think its time to try a different device, maybe the Toshiba. Or HP Touchpad since Google and the manufactures can't seem to deliver a fully operational product. As a matter of fact I'm frustrated with being a lab rat for Google tablets period, the phones are awsome. Well now that i have released some tension the title of this thread should be changed.
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Leave by all means just leave. no sense if your making these posts. Do you believe the CEO of Acer is going to respond. Even on 3.0.1 I has content can u tell me what life chaining features are in 3.1 cause I'm running 3.1 right now and nothing all that breath taking
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Leave by all means just leave. no sense if your making these posts. Do you believe the CEO of Acer is going to respond. Even on 3.0.1 I has content can u tell me what life chaining features are in 3.1 cause I'm running 3.1 right now and nothing all that breath taking
Bad response. The OP was stating his opinion as a user which is important in these forums. Your response is in the same vain as the iPad fanboys "hear no evil, see no evil, say no evil". The OP has every right to his opinion based on his experience and should state it here. That's how we garner information. Regards.
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If we're talking about looks, the toshiba is one of the uglyest devices I've seen in my life! Such lack of taste and inspiration for design...
Best to get a developer board with 3.1 if you don't care about aesthetics or ergonomics and can't wait for one more week.
Also the screen bug is no bug. It's something you installed. Restore stock and it's gone.
And what wifi issues? Check your settings.
If I were you I'd be more worried about the manual than a minor update.

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If we're talking about looks, the toshiba is one of the uglyest devices I've seen in my life! Such lack of taste and inspiration for design...
Best to get a developer board with 3.1 if you don't care about aesthetics or ergonomics and can't wait for one more week.
Also the screen bug is no bug. It's something you installed. Restore stock and it's gone.
And what wifi issues? Check your settings.
If I were you I'd be more worried about the manual than a minor update.
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I'm wondering if the screen-on bug is caused by a particular app i've installed too. The one that comes to mind is tweetdeck since it's constantly checking for feed updates, but I have no idea if there's anything in it

I for one will wait patiently, or possibly not so patiently(j/k) for Acer to release 3.1. I haven't really had any of the issues with the wifi or the sleep/wake issues at all. My wifi signal is always strong and I think my tablet has rebooted once unexpectedly in the time I've had it. As far as GPS goes, I got an OTA update from Acer about 2 weeks into my ownership that seemed to speed up the GPS fix 100%. Overall I'm very happy with it, but do look forward to resizable widgets.

so take charge
Flash your Iconia with one of the many awesome builds of 3.1 out there and make some changes - or have patience and wait for Acer to do what they do.
Even on 3.0 code base my tablet has been wonderful to me - if it's not working for you then perhaps the a500 is not the device for you.

You choose...
Be like Asus and release early, then cover up the mistakes with 80,000 updates.
Be like Acer and release late, vetting the release before making it public.
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maybe I will, especially if the the screen wake and cell standby isnt addressed. Just think how much longer the battery would last. I guess what I'm really confused about too is how some people received updates to fix issues, but most didn't? WTF. Updates should be on their website available for download. The tablet is solid and the best as of now, but my gripe is with time it has taken to address issues. Acer is slowly losing traction and needs to improve by showing better support to customers that spent 500 on their device.

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You choose...
Be like Asus and release early, then cover up the mistakes with 80,000 updates.
Be like Acer and release late, vetting the release before making it public.
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That doesn't make any sense since people are using Asus's 3.1 on the Acer and loving it. On the other hand the Asus is cheap with a ton of quality issues.

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You choose...
Be like Asus and release early, then cover up the mistakes with 80,000 updates.
Be like Acer and release late, vetting the release before making it public.
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Or, return the device and a wait
for the OEM to fix the issues.

as far as I'm concerned, all the issues that sock 3.0 had were completely insignificant. I've been getting great wifi reception, and the cell was so simple to fix it's not even worth complaining about.
If you want a 100% purified experience, go get an iPad. If you want something that you'll be able to do what you want with (including fix issues), stay with the A500.

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Bad response. The OP was stating his opinion as a user which is important in these forums. Your response is in the same vain as the iPad fanboys "hear no evil, see no evil, say no evil". The OP has every right to his opinion based on his experience and should state it here. That's how we garner information. Regards.
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And we're also free to state our own opinions about others' opinions as well.

Trolling is not an opinion, just like swearing is not free speech.

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Trolling is not an opinion, just like swearing is not free speech.
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On the contrary, swearing IS free speech, possibly the best expression of free speech..
After all, WHO gets to define what is swearing anyway.
I've been in some forums and got banned for saying "hell" when some moron said I should say " H - E - double hockey-sticks".
Is 'bloody' swearing (it probably IS in USA bible-belt towns), "bugger", etc.
Swear words come and go (I was told I was showing my age because I said "sod").
No one has the right to define 'swearing' for someone else, hence it becomes free speech to swear!.

Motorola Mobility reports $56 million net loss

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/28/motorola-mobility-reports-56-million-net-loss-in-q2-3-3-billi/
didn't see this coming

cpam said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/28/motorola-mobility-reports-56-million-net-loss-in-q2-3-3-billi/
didn't see this coming
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And this is a good thing, why?

did I say that is good?

cpam said:
did I say that is good?
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Why the smilies? Lol kind of missleading
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okantomi said:
And this is a good thing, why?
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Because they are a horribly run company. So its good because although not much of a loss any loss shows things need to change. Although I will never purchase another moto product if I can help it for those that will maybe it will force some sort of change

csseale said:
Because they are a horribly run company. So its good because although not much of a loss any loss shows things need to change. Although I will never purchase another moto product if I can help it for those that will maybe it will force some sort of change
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My thoughts are the same. Maybe this will cause the CEO to open his eyes.

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Why the smilies? Lol kind of missleading
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is used for a big Smiley face, but some use it for a shocked face (like the jaw is dropped)
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okantomi said:
And this is a good thing, why?
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Karma works in this life.
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kurttrail said:
Karma works in this life.
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And if there are no consequences for screwing up, there's no reason to improve.
Of course, the real question is WHY they had a loss. I obviously think they've screwed up plenty of times - see the lack of Euro Xoom updates and locked bootloaders in phones - but it's hard to say how much effect those particular choices had. There are also lots of boring and simple reasons for a loss, like business restructuring or increased product costs.

Motorola was ahead of Apple http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKR_E1 but was never able to make an impact like Apple did. This shows a lack of vision and leadership. The Xoom again is light years ahead of the Ipad in my opinion in terms of HW, but still cannot shake the ipad in terms of market penetration. Last night I was watching the HP tablet add... the key point they made was ..oh we can play flash! sounds silly to us, but my friend (non-geek) was excited saying finally he can watch those foreign language movies on that website which use flash...

Xoom was priced at $600, it did not have a working micro SD solution but now other Android Tablets are coming I think it is kind of late.
For Android in general Motorola has and continues to be too slow releasing upgrades. In Canada in MAY !!! the upgrade to 3.1 !!! is coming soon !!!! it is August. Here is a clue, soon means tomorrow or even later in the week NOT MONTHS !!!! They get Canada 3.1, then so what the latest version is 3.2 it is such a thing that stops any sane person from buying Motorola.
For Android Phones MOTOblur nobody wants it but Motorola

We can't even get 3.2 on our 3g Xoom.....so when ICS comes out we are going to be the last to get it..but this is not just moto Verizon has their hands in that part. But I believe moto should push Verizon if not to just keep us happy but they dont

I think we, by that I mean the XDA and hardware enthusiast, only represent a fraction of Moto's or any other hardware developers sales. The average person probably doesn't realize they haven't received the 3.2 update much less that ICS is in the pike.
Yes I am sure they are aware of us and we are important to them but by no means are we the majority.
When the Xoom finally released Moto was already at work on the next device and the next beyond that.
They don't put much of their resources into supporting a device that has already sold. They want you to buy the next one. Unfortunately building relationships seems to be a thing of the past.
Just my two cents worth.

Sully9663 said:
I think we, by that I mean the XDA and hardware enthusiast, only represent a fraction of Moto's or any other hardware developers sales. The average person probably doesn't realize they haven't received the 3.2 update much less that ICS is in the pike.
Yes I am sure they are aware of us and we are important to them but by no means are we the majority.
When the Xoom finally released Moto was already at work on the next device and the next beyond that.
They don't put much of their resources into supporting a device that has already sold. They want you to buy the next one. Unfortunately building relationships seems to be a thing of the past.
Just my two cents worth.
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Very very well put....thank you