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Xoom @ COSTCO

Anyone that is looking to get the XOOM, i just find out today that COSTCO will be carrying them at the cell phone booth. They had the samsung tab for $100 less then everyone else, so might want to check it out if you plan to get one. The email said live displays would start arriving in stores the 22nd, and display banners/signs would start arriving the 24th. It did not say when the units would go on sale or for how much.

No show today
Checked with Costco this am 22nd, and the fellow told me they will not have anything until Thurs.--he knew nothing about price etc.

I doubt it'll be cheaper than verizons on contract price of 600.
even then, people said the apple ipad was to expensive at 499, but the xoom with no flash support(i know yet, but it will, maybe, its motorola who locks there stuff down tight, ask anyone with a Moto X, so who knows. lol) is going for 800?!
I will wait for an HTC tablet with Honeycomb. It will be much better IMHO

nosympathy said:
I will wait for an HTC tablet with Honeycomb. It will be much better IMHO
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Why is that? Motorola has competed with HTC pretty well in the smartphone realm, why are you automatically assuming that HTC will be better in the tablet realm?
The HTC tablet announced at WMC is a joke compared to the Xoom IMHO.

akarol said:
Why is that? Motorola has competed with HTC pretty well in the smartphone realm, why are you automatically assuming that HTC will be better in the tablet realm?
The HTC tablet announced at WMC is a joke compared to the Xoom IMHO.
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Agreed - HTC seems to be pushing too much sense and not really promoting the android aspect of it. Yeah they update their phones relatively timely manner but they're doing with sense what apple did with unix - keeping it limited to only what they want and that's whats irritating.
I think the Flyer would have been nicer with vanilla honeycomb and not all the extra fluff of sense. Its the main reason why Moto, Samsung, AND LG are keeping with the vanilla version - they finally realize they'll get more people on board if they put out a standard tab the way apple did with the ipad

I might get the xoom after it is rooted, and bootloader unlocked, cm8 tab edition ftw

i am loving every aspect of it, but the only thing stopping me is there are no good apps and games for Android. I won't be playing games, but there will be time when i will want to and there are no good games. I can't justify myself spending $800 and not having a Complete product.

teshxx said:
i am loving every aspect of it, but the only thing stopping me is there are no good apps and games for Android. I won't be playing games, but there will be time when i will want to and there are no good games. I can't justify myself spending $800 and not having a Complete product.
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Not true, what so ever... there may not be amazing games in the android market.. but else where there is good games for the platform.

NewZJ said:
I might get the xoom after it is rooted, and bootloader unlocked, cm8 tab edition ftw
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The Xoom will have an unlockable bootloader.
https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/40166376467341312

boliviano3 said:
The Xoom will have an unlockable bootloader.
https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/40166376467341312
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well. then, i'll be getting a Xoom, i might play with it for a while before my psp ngp comes out

Mm I don't think I ma get it seems too expensive, probably get an ipad it has been almost a year since it came out and it really has some nice apps (brother has one ).maybe wait for ipad 2
About the flyer truth HTC adds a lot stuff to their phones that not a lot people that are into deveplomet (like people at this forum) wants but to the regular consumer it does look really nice, is impresive what they did with android os (not honeycomb ) and is easy to use, plus 7 inch sounds like a good size I didn't get the sansumg tablet cause bad experience with sansumg in the past but anyone with open mind should read this article (link below), and most it to me sounds correct, android seems to be rushing to it just like gingerbread, they said in the past the gingerbread was going to have a better UI but it looks the same to me (just some new stuff here and there ) while HTC have been more advance to what google is doing, we can just put a simple example like facebook integration with HTC is better then google integration (after you download the app) so I have to give it up to HTC for taking a risky approach, and of course google for.bringing android
technobuffalo.com/blog/companies/google/android/htc-flyer-was-the-best-android-tablet-at-mwc/
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jgalan14 said:
Mm I don't think I ma get it seems too expensive, probably get an ipad it has been almost a year since it came out and it really has some nice apps (brother has one ).maybe wait for ipad 2
About the flyer truth HTC adds a lot stuff to their phones that not a lot people that are into deveplomet (like people at this forum) wants but to the regular consumer it does look really nice, is impresive what they did with android os (not honeycomb ) and is easy to use, plus 7 inch sounds like a good size I didn't get the sansumg tablet cause bad experience with sansumg in the past but anyone with open mind should read this article (link below), and most it to me sounds correct, android seems to be rushing to it just like gingerbread, they said in the past the gingerbread was going to have a better UI but it looks the same to me (just some new stuff here and there ) while HTC have been more advance to what google is doing, we can just put a simple example like facebook integration with HTC is better then google integration (after you download the app) so I have to give it up to HTC for taking a risky approach, and of course google for.bringing android
technobuffalo.com/blog/companies/google/android/htc-flyer-was-the-best-android-tablet-at-mwc/
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You obviously haven't played with the iPad enough. Well, lucky for you, I have (I have owned one since its launch). And I'll tell you that the lack of Flash support alone is reason not to get one. That, by itself, makes this tablet inferior to any Android-based one. Trust me on this! You'd be surprised how many sites that you visit rely on Flash.
Also, another thing that really limits the iPad is the fact that apps are not flexible in its code to accurately extrapolate the pixel density, leading you to have iPhone/iPod apps and iPad (HD) apps. Not the case in Android. All apps work in all devices. Regardless of its resolution. This means that all apps in the Android Market are also available to its tablet users. Not the case with the App Store. I'd say about half of the apps on my iPad are iPhone apps that are 2x scaled over, making it painfully pixelated.

akarol said:
You obviously haven't played with the iPad enough. Well, lucky for you, I have (I have owned one since its launch). And I'll tell you that the lack of Flash support alone is reason not to get one. That, by itself, makes this tablet inferior to any Android-based one. Trust me on this! You'd be surprised how many sites that you visit rely on Flash.
Also, another thing that really limits the iPad is the fact that apps are not flexible in its code to accurately extrapolate the pixel density, leading you to have iPhone/iPod apps and iPad (HD) apps. Not the case in Android. All apps work in all devices. Regardless of its resolution. This means that all apps in the Android Market are also available to its tablet users. Not the case with the App Store. I'd say about half of the apps on my iPad are iPhone apps that are 2x scaled over, making it painfully pixelated.
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Well thanks for the info I appreciate it, we'll not pad for me lmao, I'll stick with my Evo and my laptop
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The Xoom will ship with flash 10.1 right? I heard that the OTA will be for Flash 10.2.
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gqstatus0685 said:
The Xoom will ship with flash 10.1 right? I heard that the OTA will be for Flash 10.2.
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Not flash man but it will have an update shortly ( 2 weeks adobe said today )
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No Flash at launch, but it'll come soon according to Adobe. Early Spring.

Sorry for the crappy picture but here you go.

I am just going to wait for the $600 WiFi only version. I spoke with mobile guy at Costco and he said there is a WiFi only version in their system that will come out 30 days after the 3G Xoom is released (Feb 24). I have a Costco AMEX card and will just use that as Costco has a better return policy than BB. I also have a BB card that has nothing on it and interest free for 18 months sound good as well. I guess I will cross that bridge when the WiFi only model gets released.

The twitter about the unlocked bootloader totally changed me....now I waiting for the wifi only xoom...if it's available on Costco even the better.

ipad fans: hows that usb, flash, and camera support coming along? oh, my bad, you'll never have those...

Some sad news on XOOM

So Koush on twitter just announced he is returning his xoom.
which ****en sucks, i hope he is kind enough to give us RM when the sdcard is supported.
and also reports all over the net today say the motorola will stop production on xooms in June...OF THIS YEAR
this all kinda sucks in the eyes of consumers (me + you) for software developers and even accessories. I dont know, maybe im kinda freaking but, it looks as though the motorola xoom is the nexus one of android tablets....i just hope it stays that way in the dev world.

Today seems to be a dark day for the Xoom community as well. All these bad news about the end of production, people canceling Xoom orders for the new G-Tab, now Koush leaving. But life goes on and I love my Xoom! After all, the Xoom is just the vessel for Honeycomb, isn't it? And as long as the bee lives we'll be supported by great developers

Hey Honestly,
Koush is a cool guy and he holds a ton of weight in the android community and I personally respect him and his talent, that being said I could give 2 ****s about what he or anyone else buys, never buys, or returns, and so should everyone else.
Personally the Xoom does what I need it to, and I like it. Some people will feel the same way about the Ipad 2, some people feel the same way about the galaxy tab, and some people feel the same way about Cheese. Out of all of us whos right? Every single one
If you like the Xoom be happy with it, if not return it. Simple as that. My only request is you dont post on here about how awsome your new device is because honestly you can go post that in the forum of the new device and it will not make people angry or sound like your gloating
The Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tab community, because with all of these new devices coming out who knows how much bloat ware or sense or blur or other crap they will have on them. Samsung for one does a totally steller job of providing updates for their devices (thats sarcasm) so I wouldn’t buy anything from them, but again this is my opinion, and someone may totally love their devices and want to catch them all (just like the pokemon) .
As for Motorola, what they’re doing is pretty standard. Think about it they probably have been producing units since Jan possibly even December for a early march release, a 6 month production run in a market where every week a newer shinnier toy comes out I feel is pretty standard.
Thats all just my opinion hope it makes you feel a little better tho And in the great words of Bob Marley, dont worry be happy

dudeimgeorge said:
and also reports all over the net today say the motorola will stop production on xooms in June...OF THIS YEAR
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Honestly, I doubt this is completely true. It just says that they are stepping down production, and with good reason.
Things like this happen all the time in industry. You build 1 million devices, and then you use your manufacturing capabilities to build other things while you sell down the inventory, then you start pushing out units again once you get to another level.
All this means is that they are selling alot less than they are making, which may or may not change when the wifi version is released.

Squeak22 said:
Honestly, I doubt this is completely true. It just says that they are stepping down production, and with good reason.
Things like this happen all the time in industry. You build 1 million devices, and then you use your manufacturing capabilities to build other things while you sell down the inventory, then you start pushing out units again once you get to another level.
All this means is that they are selling alot less than they are making, which may or may not change when the wifi version is released.
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Wifi will give a price point that more people can agree with.
I'm anxiously awaiting my Wifi order to ship from Amazon.

Motorola showed us in the past that if they don't make money with their device, they quickly stop to support it.
Knowing the Xoom is running on an early version of Honeycomb, this doesn't look good at all...Makes me want to cancel my preorder actually...
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I really don't care what koush buys, he bought and sold the galaxy tab 7" in the same amount of time.
If he really cared about the xda community his bootloader would be open source...if he stops making it someone will step in and make one.
Edit: I know he does open source the code, but I'm unsure if the xoom support is in there.
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I just got my xoom for the GPS maps and the turn by turn directions. It works good for that so Im keeping mine!

This is really one of the major downsides of the Internet. It used to be that somebody could have a knee-jerk reaction to something, but by the time it filtered through editors, producers, etc., and into the print and publication media it had already been toned down and made far more realistic.
Nowadays, somebody misunderstands or misquotes something, and five minutes later it's believed as fact by the majority of the population, which has been conditioned to get information in tiny little chunks without any appreciation for context.

lifegear said:
Motorola showed us in the past that if they don't make money with their device, they quickly stop to support it.
Knowing the Xoom is running on an early version of Honeycomb, this doesn't look good at all...Makes me want to cancel my preorder actually...
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Oh please, the OG Droid got an update the other day didn't it? Our xooms are unlocked and unmodified to such a degree that we will be able to create roms from the 3.0 source code without any issue.
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Bauxite said:
I really don't care what koush buys, he bought and sold the galaxy tab 7" in the same amount of time.
If he really cared about the xda community his bootloader would be open source...if he stops making it someone will step in and make one.
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I thought his bootloader was open source? Wasnt that the origional reason it was created as opposed to Amon_RA? Or do I have it backwards?

jvward said:
And in the great words of Bob Marley, dont worry be happy
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Wasn't that Bobby McFerrin?

funnycreature said:
Wasn't that Bobby McFerrin?
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Yep it was, its been a long day and I am tired

jvward said:
I thought his bootloader was open source? Wasnt that the origional reason it was created as opposed to Amon_RA? Or do I have it backwards?
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Whether or not he pushed the code for the xoom is the issue right now.

All I know is Amazon needs to ship it already!

mikejet said:
All I know is Amazon needs to ship it already!
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This development might put the remaing xooms in high demand. Whatever happens I bet they will sell out FAST!. I am glad I allready have 2 of them in my home!. You know what they say..... a bird in the hand is worth 2 xooms on pre order at Amazon! LOL

i FREAKING LOVE my xoom. I have an ipad that also and I never touch it. Go android!!!

android ftw yo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUwqxHpXMY

i love my xoom too and im pretty content with it. i sold my ipad, two weeks before the announcement of the ipad 2 (robbed the dude on craigslist)
my main concern at this point, and i think its to a certain degree, paranoia, that the pushing up updates, dev community mods and improvements all together will be few and far between.
after typing that i realize thats nonsense, motorola sliced off at least 1-2months of shipping delays by delaying adobe, the sdcard and the 4g...just to be ahead of the pack.
whether that option was smart in the longrun is a question for the finance people. but as a android geek im good with that, just as long as developers (like koush) still have at it.

Thank god Moto priced the Xoom so high that I(and other sane people) got the ipad 2. At least I know that Apple wont just drop their product like that less than 6 months after release.
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How is the Motorola Xoom? The best, or not?

I had a chance to play with a Xoom briefly at a local Best Buy and was pleasantly surprised how well I liked it. It felt solid and significant and looked very nice. Honeycomb was...well...pure honey. It left me with the distinct desire to own one. Though recent test have the iPad2 blowing it away, the iPad2 doesn't have the higher res display of the Xoom. I would much rather watch the Xoom display than the iPad2.
But I need people;s experiences with the Xoom since it is a significant investment for me. I would buy the full-priced WiFi-only version, that's why it would be such a significant investment...no subsidized pricing. However, knowing what I know of Motorola's support tactics, we all really should be boycotting them rather than considering buying anything from them. They never update any non-subsidized products. If you own a Moto device from a carrier, you wil eventually get updates and bug fixes. But it you buy one outright, you are abandon as soon as they have your money.

I paid a 1000$ for mine and I am very happy.
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Based on what I read in another thread about some bugs in HC, I've decided to either wait for a Google produced tablet with HC or stick with Apple and wait for an iPad with a higher res display. I know Google and Apple take good care of their customers with updates, support and bug fixes so it won't be a worry to me. The carriers and other manufacturers tend to be greedy and slight their customers. I won't take a chance on them.

MartyLK said:
Based on what I read in another thread about some bugs in HC, I've decided to either wait for a Google produced tablet with HC or stick with Apple and wait for an iPad with a higher res display. I know Google and Apple take good care of their customers with updates, support and bug fixes so it won't be a worry to me. The carriers and other manufacturers tend to be greedy and slight their customers. I won't take a chance on them.
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The xoom is a google experience device. Its like the droid of tablets.
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MartyLK said:
I had a chance to play with a Xoom briefly at a local Best Buy and was pleasantly surprised how well I liked it. It felt solid and significant and looked very nice. Honeycomb was...well...pure honey. It left me with the distinct desire to own one. Though recent test have the iPad2 blowing it away, the iPad2 doesn't have the higher res display of the Xoom. I would much rather watch the Xoom display than the iPad2.
But I need people;s experiences with the Xoom since it is a significant investment for me. I would buy the full-priced WiFi-only version, that's why it would be such a significant investment...no subsidized pricing. However, knowing what I know of Motorola's support tactics, we all really should be boycotting them rather than considering buying anything from them. They never update any non-subsidized products. If you own a Moto device from a carrier, you wil eventually get updates and bug fixes. But it you buy one outright, you are abandon as soon as they have your money.
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What test blew the Xoom away?

MartyLK said:
I had a chance to play with a Xoom briefly at a local Best Buy and was pleasantly surprised how well I liked it. It felt solid and significant and looked very nice. Honeycomb was...well...pure honey. It left me with the distinct desire to own one. Though recent test have the iPad2 blowing it away, the iPad2 doesn't have the higher res display of the Xoom. I would much rather watch the Xoom display than the iPad2.
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+ The Android OS is more friendly for everyday use. I owned a iPad, loved it, but when I got the Xoom, I realized that a tablet could be way better To say it simply, with honeycomb you have everything at hand with a simple touch, while on the iPad you have to browse through many screens to get things done. Huge difference if you want to use a tablet more productively and not for incidentally browsing, reading etc.
For example:
Picture this, I have four very active email accounts. I have a widget for each of them on my desktop. When I want to check my mail I just press home and I directly see the the new messages in each mailbox. On the iPad I first had to open the mail app and then I had to click on each of the different mailboxes to see the new messages. What a usability difference....
And this is just one example. I think Android tablets will definitely be a tough competition for the iPad. Didn't expect that till I did the switch myself. Lot of potential.

Sistum Id said:
What test blew the Xoom away?
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The only comparison tests i've seen the xoom won! Unless of course you mean the hype/BS test on the iforum site.

Sistum Id said:
What test blew the Xoom away?
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The synthetic benchmarks that anandtech ran that every Steve worshipper in the land uses as ipad 2 purchase validation.
It showed the tegra as sort of lacking in the graphics department. Personally, I didn't buy a xoom to play games, I have a PC and PS3 for that.
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MartyLK said:
But I need people;s experiences with the Xoom since it is a significant investment for me. I would buy the full-priced WiFi-only version, that's why it would be such a significant investment...no subsidized pricing. However, knowing what I know of Motorola's support tactics, we all really should be boycotting them rather than considering buying anything from them. They never update any non-subsidized products. If you own a Moto device from a carrier, you wil eventually get updates and bug fixes. But it you buy one outright, you are abandon as soon as they have your money.
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My 2 cents for you, I looked at the Xoom simply as something to use while 'someone' is on my laptop for hours at a time. My nice new Dell Win7 laptop cost a little more than a Xoom, and it does so much more, so I personally don't look at the Xoom as a "PC replacement". It's something I plan to use at home mostly. I bought the WiFi only one because I didn't want to be tied to Verizon for 2 years, because we really don't know how long Moto is going to put the effort into the Xoom. I don't want to potentially be paying Verizon a monthly fee for a lightly/none supported product in months 12-24 down the road.
The clamor about "Xoom has no apps" is total BS. Having 10,000 apps that make fart noises isn't something to tout. Not everything is perfect, but I'm the type that wants to personalize my device. I think Ipad has it's place as does the Xoom. People that bash either just have incomplete lives with nothing better to do. In my opinion, Ipad is more mainstream, it's what the 'unwashed masses' will flock to, because it has a consistent and simple interface, stability and requires the person to be less involved with 'setting things up'.
I'm not a 'media intensive' person...I could give 2 ****s how Youtube works on the Xoom. I have not tried the HDMI output yet, but in using 'TV' apps I'm happy that I have the option, if I take a trip where I have WiFi that I can stream music/video (I don't care that it's not in 1080p, I can live without it on even a 6 hour trip). I'm intelligent enough to read the postings here, to find apps that let me stream Dexter Season 5, which is NOT out on Netflix yet, so THAT was cool to me. I did try the NHL.com Gamecenter streaming of live games and it worked pretty good.
Also, I have an EVO through Sprint, so for $30 a month I can activate it's HotSpot feature and get unlimited data. So in my mind, if I really want to use it 'away from home' for whatever reason someone has I can also turn on/off the Hotspot feature whenever and they prorate the $30/mo to the day. So if I turn the feature on/off for 5 days in the month, it costs me $5 for that month. I could decide to be lazy too, and just leave it enabled all month, and I think that's a better deal than a 2 year contract w/ Verizon with a monthly data cap. Of course what I am doing requires 'effort' that so many people just don't want to put into things.
To me, I guess having the 3/4G options would be nice at times, but really, where outside of Home does a person really need to whip out their tablet? You going to take it to a movie or dinner, or to the ballgame? If so, why did you pay to attend something and then stick your face in your tablet? Or if you are on a bus/train, why don't you just stick a big "please rob me" sign on your back? If you are using it for 'work' chances are that you need to use it for more than a few minutes and likely for data intensive things, so your likely only going to be 'working' someplace with WiFi....if your company doesn't have WiFi (like mine) that's probably a sign that you employer doesn't want your WiFi device at work

@ austonja, well stated, now this was one of the best replies I have read in a while.

Sistum Id said:
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3d tests. but apple is vying for top mobile gaming platform so you can see why.

I think you are asking the wrong question. Of course the Xoom is not the BEST...but then NO product fulfills that criteria for me. The Xoom is excellent. I enjoy it greatly, and there are reasons I picked it over the other options which are still valid. I am satisfied with my choice, but it was a choice, and given slightly different thinking, I am sure I would have been happy with the iPad 2 or the other new Honeycomb tablets when they arrive. I personally think you would not regret a Xoom purchase...but that is just my opinion.

Xoom is decent, but its just the hardware. Before the end of the year I'm sure we will be seeing some great devices that will trump the xoom. Also 2012 I'm sure will be a very exciting year for tablets. Very excited to see what will happen
If now talking about Honeycomb, I believe from what I see is so far the best. Once it get its kinks worked out and we go through a few updates Honeycomb will be the best OS out there for tablets. Honeycomb>IOS>Palm(HP)>blackberry qnx

Sistum Id said:
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/...rmance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked
http://blog.laptopmag.com/ipad-2-graphics-performance-blows-away-motorola-xoom-original-ipad
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/982268-ipad-2-gpu-blows-away-other-tablet-gpus-including-the-xoom/
http://www.getlaptopreview.com/lapt...e-blows-away-motorola-xoom-original-ipad.html
http://www.tablets.com/uncategorized/the-ipad-2s-powervr-gpu-blows-away-competition/
http://techscrunch.com/tablets/ipad...hz-dual-core-cortex-a9-and-powervr-sgx543mp2/
http://phonegear.eu/ipad-2-graphics...way-ipad-1-and-tegra-2-powered-motorola-xoom/
http://appmasters.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/ipad-2-graphics-blow-away-all-other-tablets/
http://androidforums.com/general-ta...-2-these-14-example-have-changed-my-mind.html
http://www.toteo.com/tech-gadgets/2012-ipad-2-graphics-much-faster-than-ipad-1-motorola-xoom.html
http://osxdaily.com/2011/03/25/ipad-vs-ipad-2-graphics-performance/
http://felixonline.co.uk/preview/tech/1100/ipad-2-blows-away-rivals/
http://www.digitalninjastl.com/blog...d-2’s-graphics-the-infinity-blade-test-shows/
There are many more that came up in Google search but I got tired of listing them all.

Eclair~ said:
None of those sites you listed performed the test again and some of them were simply just forums discussing the information Anandtech presented to us. They only posted Anandtech's graphs and reported the information back again. Therefore it was still "one review" and the fanboys can still say "Just one review!". I'm not trying to be negative, I get your point and what you were trying to prove. The iPad 2 is more powerful than the Xoom and anyone who claims otherwise is... in denial, or a fanboy.
You sound kinda hostile.
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Sorry about sounding hostile. It isn't meant. I have had a bad day already. Having been infracted for responding to hateful people and those very same people have not been infracted. When you are an innocent person who wants nothing more than to express views and allow others to express their views and you get accosted for it, it leaves you with a seriously jaded view of life and humanity. It makes a person hope there truly is something to the 2012 myth because I've had my fill of the hatred people love to spew.
As far as the iPad2 goes, I wouldn't buy one of those either. I don't like looking at highly visible pixels on a screen. The iPad2's 1024x768 res is just way too low for this day and time. I did love the display of the Xoom and was yearning for a Xoom...until I was reminded it would be supported by Motorola. But I did read a post that said Google would be updating the Xoom. If this is true...and I'm trying to get confirmation of this in another thread...I may yet acquire a Xoom. As I said, though, I won't get one through or locked to carriers. It would be the full-priced one with WiFi only.

Eclair~ said:
I do hope that when a Honeycomb tablet beats these benchmarks that it receives just as much press.
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when that happens i hope there are some games that make having that horsepower useful. as of right now i don't think there are any games on the android platform that would benefit. that would be as crappy as paying for 2 cpu cores but having apps only utilize one...

The iPad is a finished product. It's a good one, too. (My wife has the iPad 1.)
The Xoom is not finished, and it approaches the new iPad already.
The iPad is never gonna suck, but it's pretty obvious the Xoom has the potential to kick it's ass. However, I have very little faith that Google, Motorola or Verizon will bring it to that point. We'll need to rely on the Android development community for that.
In my opinion, the only time a Xoom will ever be really great is when it's rooted and has a custom ROM installed.

MartyLK said:
The sad part is, I predicted someone would waste their time to say that. It seems people would rather post negative light about others than useful information.
The *reason* why I posted all of those was because the fanboys would come back and say, "Aha! Just one review! That doesn't mean anything!"
However, knowing that someone would complain that all of those links weren't needed, I chose that direction rather than allowing the fanboy/girls a voice.
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Are you for real? Go back and read all of your posts in this thread.
You posted that many links to show how people reported on the ONE benchmark? What does that have to do with anything? Not one of those sites re-ran or even confirmed the benchmark themselves, so it is relavent to point out that you could have and should have posted only one link.
You're trying to find fault for some reason in a product you don't own and then post it on the forum. You have to see why this might make me thing you're trolling for no reason.
If you don't like Motorola based on one forum post, that's fine. If you don't like the Xoom based on one test, that's fine. If you don't like it because you actually tried it and tested it for a long time, that's another story. Posting links we have all seen (weeks ago), doesn't help anyone on this forum or help anyone decide to/not to buy something that you don't even own.
Just how I feel about this whole thread.

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The iPad is a finished product. It's a good one, too. (My wife has the iPad 1.)
The Xoom is not finished, and it approaches the new iPad already.
The iPad is never gonna suck, but it's pretty obvious the Xoom has the potential to kick it's ass. However, I have very little faith that Google, Motorola or Verizon will bring it to that point. We'll need to rely on the Android development community for that.
In my opinion, the only time a Xoom will ever be really great is when it's rooted and has a custom ROM installed.
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That's the problem with Motorola products, the BIOS and bootloader are locked. The only time a custom ROM can be flashed is if it's based on an official Motorola ROM. That's one of my biggest concerns about Motorola. They hinder the XDA community from doing their magic on Motorola devices. If Google releases an updated Honeycomb ROM that deals with bugs and provides performance enhancement, the XDA community can't use it on Motorola devices until Motorola makes an official ROM out of it.

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That's the problem with Motorola products, the BIOS and bootloader are locked. The only time a custom ROM can be flashed is if it's based on an official Motorola ROM. That's one of my biggest concerns about Motorola. They hinder the XDA community from doing their magic on Motorola devices. If Google releases an updated Honeycomb ROM that deals with bugs and provides performance enhancement, the XDA community can't use it on Motorola devices until Motorola makes an official ROM out of it.
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The Xoom is completely unlocked. Unlocked bootloader (with standard sdk tools you can unlock it), and there are no signature checks, at all. We can modify the xoom software however we want.
Learn your facts before you post.

Are we going to be outdated before we are Dated?

I know alot of peoples stance on the SD card, Motorola never officially said when the SD card will work blahblahblah. I don't care. There are three major factors in why I chose the xoom, one it came out around tax time, two it had an SD card, and three it had a 4g upgrade in 90 days. Now the SD card, if anyone remembers correctly wasn't announced nonfumctional till within a week of its launch, I don't exactly know cause I somehow missed that memo until after I purchased my xoom. But regardless of what some people think about it, I expected it within a timely manner. Now with news of the xoom 2 hitting motors site during that slip up, I am to wonder whether our xoom will be outdated before its even got all the features I expected from it.now I know all devises get outdated rather quickly, but when i spent my 800+ on the thing I expected a good 6-12 month period before that would happen. With my lack of 4g and SD card running on stock, it looks like well be outdated when the tab 10.1 releases. Maybe not with a quadcore, or any substantial hardware, but with the features I bought my xoom for over 3 months ago. I do enjoy my xoom, and its bezel is far supirior to any other android tablet out there, but I want my damn features!
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I know alot of peoples stance on the SD card, Motorola never officially said when the SD card will work blahblahblah. I don't care. There are three major factors in why I chose the xoom, one it came out around tax time, two it had an SD card, and three it had a 4g upgrade in 90 days. Now the SD card, if anyone remembers correctly wasn't announced nonfumctional till within a week of its launch, I don't exactly know cause I somehow missed that memo until after I purchased my xoom. But regardless of what some people think about it, I expected it within a timely manner. Now with news of the xoom 2 hitting motors site during that slip up, I am to wonder whether our xoom will be outdated before its even got all the features I expected from it.now I know all devises get outdated rather quickly, but when i spent my 800+ on the thing I expected a good 6-12 month period before that would happen. With my lack of 4g and SD card running on stock, it looks like well be outdated when the tab 10.1 releases. Maybe not with a quadcore, or any substantial hardware, but with the features I bought my xoom for over 3 months ago. I do enjoy my xoom, and its bezel is far supirior to any other android tablet out there, but I want my damn features!
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I think you have a right to be disappointed and even angry, because the way things are advertised these days can be very misleading. The biggest issue for you, I think, is the promised 4G conversion...that would be a big one for me. I got a WiFi Xoom only because I aready have a mobile 4G hotspot that works well for me. But I really do sympathize. Do you want to do some of the customizing (rooting/custom kernels...) that can make this a really wonderful device? Or are you trying to stay stock so that the 4G upgrade will not be problemmatic when it happens? Either way, you've got a great device. With Moore's Law and the manufacturers' desire for more and more money, no one will be able to stay on the bleeding edge of this technology for long. Try to regret less and have more fun with your Xoom. Just my 2 cents worth.

Motorola support
Motorola support is virtually non-existant. They are already selling the Xoom to discount retailers and it is selling on Ebay for $499 ( Wi-Fi model ).
The Motorola support forum is helpful as is this one. But be careful on Motorola.
I got banned for criticizing their lack of support and communication.
If you're a fanboy though you're gold there.

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I got banned for criticizing their lack of support and communication.
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That's the reason you're going with, huh?

I'll be rooting, and I know I could now and enjoy more. My main reason for not originally had been to just make it past the 4g upgrade, but with that possibly taking another 90 days I might look into it sooner. All I really would be rooting for is the SD card, until icecream comes out and we can get some devs to make some custom roms, I really don't have that big a reason 'sides SD, and ocing. Are there any other benefits in doing so? I do have to read up on it all, cause the closest thing I did to rooting was jailbreaking the iPhone (which I did that from day one). I guess I don't really know the point of this thread besides to see if others feel the same, I mean I feel like I was straight lied too. People on here keep saying just because the SD card slot was included doesn't mean we should expect it, well that may be true for a 100$ device, but when you pay as much as some of us, it had better work, and damn fast. But I guess not, and I guess there isn't much that can be done about that. My anger isn't at the Xoom, I love this thing so much even at stock. It simply is directed towards Motorola. I wouldnt have been a hard early adopter to please, just my 4g, my SD, and with 3.1 my face literally would have stayed this way XD for days.
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That's the reason you're going with, huh?
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What happens is the Motorola fanboys gang bang people with negative opinions of Motorola. They are allowed to personally attack you, but as soon as fight back, Matt starts sending you threats of being banned.
Hell, between how I've been treated in that forum, and the obvious hardware design problems Motorola is having (see work-in-progress Xoom and the back-to-the-drawingboard Bionic), while wasting resources and time on turning Blur into Big Brother and locked bootloaders, I'm never buying a Motorola product again.
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kurttrail said:
What happens is the Motorola fanboys gang bang people with negative opinions of Motorola. They are allowed to personally attack you, but as soon as fight back, Matt starts sending you threats of being banned.
Hell, between how I've been treated in that forum, and the obvious hardware design problems Motorola is having (see work-in-progress Xoom and the back-to-the-drawingboard Bionic), while wasting resources and time on turning Blur into Big Brother and locked bootloaders, I'm never buying a Motorola product again.
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"Freedom is slavery", right?
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chbennett said:
"Freedom is slavery", right?
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Freedom to find your own SD card solution.
Freedom from 4g.
Freedom from unlocking bootloaders, except when Google forces them to have an unlockable bootloader.
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kurttrail said:
Freedom to find your own SD card solution.
Freedom from 4g.
Freedom from unlocking bootloaders, except when Google forces them to have an unlockable bootloader.
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Ah, the slogans of <strike>Ingsoc</strike> Apple:
o Freedom is Slavery
o Ignorance is Strength

RadDudeTommy said:
I'll be rooting, and I know I could now and enjoy more. My main reason for not originally had been to just make it past the 4g upgrade, but with that possibly taking another 90 days I might look into it sooner. All I really would be rooting for is the SD card, until icecream comes out and we can get some devs to make some custom roms, I really don't have that big a reason 'sides SD, and ocing. Are there any other benefits in doing so? I do have to read up on it all, cause the closest thing I did to rooting was jailbreaking the iPhone (which I did that from day one). I guess I don't really know the point of this thread besides to see if others feel the same, I mean I feel like I was straight lied too. People on here keep saying just because the SD card slot was included doesn't mean we should expect it, well that may be true for a 100$ device, but when you pay as much as some of us, it had better work, and damn fast. But I guess not, and I guess there isn't much that can be done about that. My anger isn't at the Xoom, I love this thing so much even at stock. It simply is directed towards Motorola. I wouldnt have been a hard early adopter to please, just my 4g, my SD, and with 3.1 my face literally would have stayed this way XD for days.
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Let me preface this by saying I don't give a damn about Motorola...I followed a link to that forum once and one visit was enough.
However, I think the problem also resides with Google. It's clear that the Xoom hardward supports the external SD card, but for whatever reason, out of the box Honeycomb didn't. The development community enabled it straight away. The manufaturers all want to offer the best specs (and at least the Xoom is well built) but they are operating at the commercial edge of this rapidly changing technology. Still, if they (Moto) make promises they should keep them.

I don't care who is at fault or who is to blame. When you release a product that has features they all better work and i find this to be BS on both Google and Motorola's part! As for the 4G not being enabled withing 90 days like it was promised we should get something in return for being lied to! Maybe a free camera cable!
Motorola builds good quality products but the service and lies are by far starting to outweigh all the good things. If Moto keeps locking down things and going, in my opinion, downhill I will be forced to buy other products that are not of such good quality just to distance myself from all their BS!
As much as I like android and I hate to say this but if things don't change with Google, Motorola, and the rest of the Android manufactures I for one will be going to IOS.

twinkyz1979 said:
As much as I like android and I hate to say this but if things don't change with Google, Motorola, and the rest of the Android manufactures I for one will be going to IOS.
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As the saying goes, don't let the door hit you...

twinkyz1979 said:
IAs for the 4G not being enabled withing 90 days like it was promised we should get something in return for being lied to
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How do you figure we're being "lied to"? The parts just ain't there yet- they didn't even- for whatever reason- pass FCC approval 'till very recently, and you're not gonna put an uncertified part on the air unless you wanna get your butt reamed by the Government (i.e., it wasn't gonna happen any sooner).
I'm sure there's some sound technical reasons the Mobicom/Sierra Wireless/etc. cards aren't/weren't ready yet, and considering how new LTE is, and how much battery the technology can gobble up if not properly optimized (and I can only imagine how much *****ing and moaning there WILL be when we finally do get the LTE upgrade ) I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.

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I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
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Considering the obvious incompetence of Motorola promptly fulfilling their obligations to Xoom owners, I think "we all" have paid for the right to no longer be patient with Motorola or its apologists.
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kurttrail said:
Considering the obvious incompetence of Motorola promptly fulfilling their obligations to Xoom owners
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So, you didn't read a thing I wrote. Gotcha.

best way to say it...hardware is fine, unfortunatly the software still needs fine tuning, i have no problem with asny of this, imaginw a product that was perfect out of the box...hmmm then that would be no fun...well i can think of one that works perfect, a piece of paper and a crayon

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So, you didn't read a thing I wrote. Gotcha.
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I read your BS excuses and so many other excuses for over 3 months now, and the time where excuses matter is done.
Xoom is still a work-in-progress.
The Bionic went back to the drawing board.
Motorola announces Blur will now nag users about non-Motorola apps battery usage, which is hysterical, since the best battery savings move I ever made on an Android phone is putting a ROM with Blur removed on my Droid 2.
Meanwhile LG and Samsung both have LTE phones, and it's looking more and more likely that Samsung will have the first LTE Tablet.
Not to mention that Asus and xda both beat Motorola to getting a working SD card reader.
Sorry, but Motorola's incompetence is plainly seen, when not seen through the rose-tinted glasses of fanboyism.
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kurttrail said:
I read your BS excuses and so many other excuses for over 3 months now, and the time where excuses matter is done.
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Unh ... huh. So, you're blaming Moto 'cause their supplier didn't have the LTE parts ready yet for ANYONE- not me, you, or Sanjay Jha himself- to install.
OK.

kcrudup said:
How do you figure we're being "lied to"? The parts just ain't there yet- they didn't even- for whatever reason- pass FCC approval 'till very recently, and you're not gonna put an uncertified part on the air unless you wanna get your butt reamed by the Government (i.e., it wasn't gonna happen any sooner).
I'm sure there's some sound technical reasons the Mobicom/Sierra Wireless/etc. cards aren't/weren't ready yet, and considering how new LTE is, and how much battery the technology can gobble up if not properly optimized (and I can only imagine how much *****ing and moaning there WILL be when we finally do get the LTE upgrade ) I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
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Do you know for certain the LTE card that passed FCC certification last month is destined for the Xoom?
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well if you are so dissapointed get another device and i would be happy to take youre peice of "junk" off your hands...offer $50 + P&H

Motorola Mobility reports $56 million net loss

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/28/motorola-mobility-reports-56-million-net-loss-in-q2-3-3-billi/
didn't see this coming

cpam said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/28/motorola-mobility-reports-56-million-net-loss-in-q2-3-3-billi/
didn't see this coming
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And this is a good thing, why?

did I say that is good?

cpam said:
did I say that is good?
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Why the smilies? Lol kind of missleading
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okantomi said:
And this is a good thing, why?
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Because they are a horribly run company. So its good because although not much of a loss any loss shows things need to change. Although I will never purchase another moto product if I can help it for those that will maybe it will force some sort of change

csseale said:
Because they are a horribly run company. So its good because although not much of a loss any loss shows things need to change. Although I will never purchase another moto product if I can help it for those that will maybe it will force some sort of change
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My thoughts are the same. Maybe this will cause the CEO to open his eyes.

BlackDino said:
Why the smilies? Lol kind of missleading
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is used for a big Smiley face, but some use it for a shocked face (like the jaw is dropped)
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okantomi said:
And this is a good thing, why?
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Karma works in this life.
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kurttrail said:
Karma works in this life.
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And if there are no consequences for screwing up, there's no reason to improve.
Of course, the real question is WHY they had a loss. I obviously think they've screwed up plenty of times - see the lack of Euro Xoom updates and locked bootloaders in phones - but it's hard to say how much effect those particular choices had. There are also lots of boring and simple reasons for a loss, like business restructuring or increased product costs.

Motorola was ahead of Apple http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKR_E1 but was never able to make an impact like Apple did. This shows a lack of vision and leadership. The Xoom again is light years ahead of the Ipad in my opinion in terms of HW, but still cannot shake the ipad in terms of market penetration. Last night I was watching the HP tablet add... the key point they made was ..oh we can play flash! sounds silly to us, but my friend (non-geek) was excited saying finally he can watch those foreign language movies on that website which use flash...

Xoom was priced at $600, it did not have a working micro SD solution but now other Android Tablets are coming I think it is kind of late.
For Android in general Motorola has and continues to be too slow releasing upgrades. In Canada in MAY !!! the upgrade to 3.1 !!! is coming soon !!!! it is August. Here is a clue, soon means tomorrow or even later in the week NOT MONTHS !!!! They get Canada 3.1, then so what the latest version is 3.2 it is such a thing that stops any sane person from buying Motorola.
For Android Phones MOTOblur nobody wants it but Motorola

We can't even get 3.2 on our 3g Xoom.....so when ICS comes out we are going to be the last to get it..but this is not just moto Verizon has their hands in that part. But I believe moto should push Verizon if not to just keep us happy but they dont

I think we, by that I mean the XDA and hardware enthusiast, only represent a fraction of Moto's or any other hardware developers sales. The average person probably doesn't realize they haven't received the 3.2 update much less that ICS is in the pike.
Yes I am sure they are aware of us and we are important to them but by no means are we the majority.
When the Xoom finally released Moto was already at work on the next device and the next beyond that.
They don't put much of their resources into supporting a device that has already sold. They want you to buy the next one. Unfortunately building relationships seems to be a thing of the past.
Just my two cents worth.

Sully9663 said:
I think we, by that I mean the XDA and hardware enthusiast, only represent a fraction of Moto's or any other hardware developers sales. The average person probably doesn't realize they haven't received the 3.2 update much less that ICS is in the pike.
Yes I am sure they are aware of us and we are important to them but by no means are we the majority.
When the Xoom finally released Moto was already at work on the next device and the next beyond that.
They don't put much of their resources into supporting a device that has already sold. They want you to buy the next one. Unfortunately building relationships seems to be a thing of the past.
Just my two cents worth.
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Very very well put....thank you