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9 mnths on what is the definitive best ROM out there guys?!

I'd love to know what is the best of the best . . .

have use the O2, Qtek and Dopod but not on the same versions but I would say that Dopod's latest version works really well for me.

could you te me why?
I switched from T Mob Bloat Rom to the Qtek one.
I'd be interested to hear why you think it is so good.
Anyone else got a fave??
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I have been using an O2 Rom from the beginning of the year, and it is so very slow.
So I am rather keen to know what would be the best upgrade too.. Cheers!

looking in the other forum it looks like the dopod is quite good - again no friggin idea why!!!!

well for starters, they do not install a lot of aditional items. The only item installed is Voice Commander and that also is removable. In fact, when you do a hard reset and let the configuration run, you get almost 39mb of ROM space which is a lot in my opinion. Uninstall the Voice Commander and you get some more if you want to. There aren't even any additional themes like those installed on the iMate.

pretty kool - isn't voice commander any good then?

well its not too bad. supposed it can read your unread sms but i have yet to test it out.
though some like microsoft voice command as it announces who is calling.
i guess at the end of the day, it depends on what you need.

From my point of view, Qtek-9000 rom (whitout ext rom loaded) is the best one. It's light-weight, compact and fast enough than others. With some registry/memory tweaks, this is the fastest rom i ever used.

ranju said:
From my point of view, Qtek-9000 rom (whitout ext rom loaded) is the best one. It's light-weight, compact and fast enough than others. With some registry/memory tweaks, this is the fastest rom i ever used.
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could you share with us what are the tweaks that you used?

Find the CAB attached. A restart is required after the installation.
The tweaks included in the CAB is mostly collected from the internet. But carefully tuned to get the best performance from Qtek-9000 (ROM). Universal has only 64mb RAM so that I tuned the registry to balance max free memory and best performance.
You will have an option (Settings>System>Power) in the processor tab to set the speed either Standard or Turbooooooooooooooo!
Turbo provides more processing speed but drains your battery toooooooooo!
Enjoy! :lol:

what does turbo mode do ??? it does not change cpu speed, so , what does it do '???
thanks

And please do post a list of the tweaks you have in the cab. I thought I could choose which ones to run but I guess not.
If I uninstall your cab with it revert to the previous registry entries?

adolfotregosa said:
what does turbo mode do ??? it does not change cpu speed, so , what does it do '???
thanks
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The Standard behavior of the XScale processor is to run in dynamic mode, which means CPU usually tooks less power and switched in hi power mode only when an application asked it. But in Turbo mode, it runs in hi-power mode always and as a result you are getting better performance.

Ranju: is it for T-mobile only? I tried to install it (Qtek 9000) but it was neglected. (can't install it). Can the tweaks be manually done? If so: what are they?

ok but that implies changing the cpu speed and that isn't happening

Had to restore my backup... I removed the cab, which didn't unistall it completely. Tried to run it again and it wouldn't install (because it never removed the files it put in during the 1st install).
I like what you did, and I would kill to have a UI to pick and choose the changes I want applied. Right now there's not even a list of what's in there, which is why I tried to remove it in the first place.
It's a nice enough idea though.

ok ,it does not change the speed but picodrive runs MUCH smother !! i'll try to do this "feature" with XCPUScalar2006_v2.98 so i can use "speedstep" to save battery

Uni speed and ROMs

We use the Universal for speech systems for people with disabilities. However the speed of the device is marginal for us, because the system itself uses a massive (30%+) fraction of the processor time even when the system is at idle.
I've just been asked if using any alternate ROM images might help speed the device up much, and I haven't got a clue. Help!
Does anyone know if any of the ROM images that are out there makes a significant difference to the speed of the universal? Is there a ROM image around which completely removes all phone functionality (not all our users use the phone)?
I'd be very grateful for any guidance, before we start trying ROM images at random...
Stuart

Hello, first of all, -and I'm not sure about this- I think that the ROMs images are not available at this site's FTP anymore.
Then, if you can have a ROM, prefer the "plain vanilla" ones, unless you might need several extra programs, if you need speed, you need a light and simple ROM, there are several of them, from Helmi's, to Ivan's and others that I just can't remember now, look out in the posts and find a stable one to use, test it with your app until you think is the right one.
Alternatively you can increase your CPU's clock, but this drains the battery faster, a solution for this might be to install a larger battery, your use of the uni might permit all of these things.
I haven't tested any custom ROMs, but I have a friend with a uni that has installed in its uni a Helmi's ROM, I saw it, it seems quite speedier than my T-mobile one, he told me that the voice tags call fuction didn't work and something else, but, was it faster indeed.
bye

stuartaw said:
We use the Universal for speech systems for people with disabilities. However the speed of the device is marginal for us, because the system itself uses a massive (30%+) fraction of the processor time even when the system is at idle.
I've just been asked if using any alternate ROM images might help speed the device up much, and I haven't got a clue. Help!
Does anyone know if any of the ROM images that are out there makes a significant difference to the speed of the universal? Is there a ROM image around which completely removes all phone functionality (not all our users use the phone)?
I'd be very grateful for any guidance, before we start trying ROM images at random...
Stuart
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have you tried to kill useless proggy at startup???
if you want i may be able to make a clean rom for you...
actually try increasing the pagingpool a simple hexedit on existing roms (wm6 section of this forum look for helmi's kitchen)

Thanks for the suggestions so far.
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have you tried to kill useless proggy at startup???
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I've tried killing everything I can. The processor is occupied by one thread within devices.exe; and I can't really kill that process... Everything else had minimal/no impact.
Stuart

What application are you using to identify process usage? 30% sounds very high to me.

PaulMdx said:
What application are you using to identify process usage? 30% sounds very high to me.
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The remote tools in Visual Studio. Shows 1%-4% processor usage at idle for other PDAs, 30-35% for TyTN and Universal (the only 2 HTC machines I had access to). I used the kernel tracker thing to track execution, and it was one particular thread in devices.exe which was both busy, and also, sometimes, thrashing around at <100 micro-s frequency.
This figure does fit with our other experiences. The particular speed problem we have is with a library which is spec-ed to work on any machine with 400Mhz+ processor. Works fine on other machines, including some quite old PDAs, but has 'issues' due to slow processor on the Universal and is simply unusable on the TyTN.
I couldn't find anything I could do to improve this in RAM - and a colleague asked if any of the alternate ROMs might help - and I've haven't got a clue, but hoped someone might know if any of the ROMs are visibly faster.
Stuart

Have you tried changing the default clock speed?
Hi Stuart,
I think there are a lot of applications out there which allow you to overclock and change the clock speed of Xscale CPU's. Things like XCPUScalar 2007. If you look at this thread(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304786)you should be able to find some useful information regarding scaling the CPU speed, hope this helps.
Will.

Having a couple of questions about the HD2 - also considering flashing!

Hi there.
I have owned the HD2 for about a month. I find it difficult to say for sure whether I like it or not - it diffently has a lot of both pros and cons. But since I am not looking to give a review of the device I just have a few pressing questions that I have not been able to find the answer to while doing alot of reading in these greats forums.
1. I have problems with both stability and lag. Could a possible ROM switch to say "energy (the newest version)" fix that?
2. Are the custom ROMS considered better than the stock ones - or is it mainly just because it is fun to be able to completely mess around with your phone?
3. If I choose to switch to energy's latest ROM is there some way for me to get my Danish T9 dictonary to work on the ROM - I have not been able to find the answer to that simple question while reading through those almost terrifyingly many pages contained in the thread for the energy ROM!!!! Found something about Chinese or Korean input... not helpful!
4. A side question: Is there a way to disable the function in HTC''s sms program that makes it able to input a different letter than the one pressed? Say you I have have pressed "e" but accidently released it on "r" making it type "r" instead of "e" - annoying the hell out of me.
Right now I am using my HD2 together with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.4 - the change of interface alone has seemed to reduce lag - but of course the Mobile Shell is not as "connected" as HTC's Sense interface, and I miss my music player and twitter integration :/
Hope you are not going to get a stroke or brain bleed because I did not RTFM enough
Thank you for your time reading this

From my experience with cooked ROMs, it seems like some are just as stable if not more so than stock ROMs whereas others can have more problems... You'll just have to try a few and see which one you like.
Cooked ROMs are nearly always faster than stock and they usually have much more up to date versions of the various system components and programs.
The main reason I decided to flash a cooked ROM was to get the updated TMOUS camera drivers which fixes the overexposed effect that made the LED flash more or less useless. I'm using Dutty's V6 Hybrid at the moment and it uses a different bluetooth stack. I can't tell you why but it does make music sound better (when using a bluetooth headset obviously) and it's much faster than my old 1.44 stock ROM...
I hope those examples show why cooked ROMs can be so amazing. Just be careful not to flash a stock ROM with the latest SPL from your microSD card or you'll be stuck with it...

I prefer tweaking the default rom. This is not to say that the cooks don't do a good job i just prefer not to get too extreme with the custimization. I do tweak the registry and i have installed a different spl and updated the radio. It's also been overclocked and so far i'm very happy with it (at the end of week 2 of ownership). The tweaks and the overclock combined with the 3D gfx driver that you can get from here have solved the lag and speed issues with all programs except for the messaging application.
I've also installed several applications including SRS WoW HD, a WM 6.1 style task manager, WIFI remote access and phm regedit. I've also updated the facebook application and dropped a copy of office mobile 2010 on.
At the end of the day the choice is yours. My phone is as stable as a rock right now and never crashes although i must say it wasn't but i found, like most people, that the problems were caused by a particular program. In my case it was a slightly dodgey remote desktop client that it turns out i didn't need anyway. It's also feels as responsive as my very expensive desktop pc (specs below).
The issue you mention with text messaging could be solved by decreasing the sensitivity of the touch interface or (and this is what i do) rotate the phone to landscape mode and type like that. It makes the keyboard wider and a bit easier to use. You could also get a foldable bluetooth keyboard.
What route you take is entirely your choice so if you think a custom rom is the right route to take go for it. There are some many out there your not going to be short of choice so it may be worth exploring more than just energy's roms.

Thank you very much for your answers
Well, I predict that if choose to flash some custom ROM, that i will spending alot of time trying out the different ROMs of the different chefs, but then again, i do not feel completely satisfied with the way my device is running now.
I have actually recently flashed back with a stock ROM... Tried to install some different radios so that I would get better reception, but I was no different. Plus i didn't think flashing radios was as "dangerous" as flashing ROMs How can i check if my device has been "locked"?
I also think that I have narrowed down the problem with the lag (not the instability) to when the facebook integration of my contact is downloading new info (every 2 hours right?), lags horribly for about one minute throughout the whole menu, actually, every time it accesses the internet to either update tweeter, face or check for email, it lags!
I am hoping these things can be overcome by flashing a new ROM, if that is even possible for me now :S

If you have reinstalled a stock rom you will probably need to install an unlocked spl again. To do this you'll need to get a copy of hspl or hspl2 (look in the rom development board). flashing the radio is less danagerous to a certain extent but i advise you have look for customruu there is a version that is configured not to wipe the device after install. I would post a link but i'm out and about and all my resources are on my desktop.
The lag you experience with the facebook/twitter integration i haven't experienced as i don't use it but i do have an exchange server that is configured with direct push and i don't have any lag with that. It may be worth you looking into the 2 tweaks sticky threads and implementing some of them. I would also suggest that you have a look for the 3D gfx driver and netrippers LCS which will allow you to disable the processors autoscaling. You may find this illiminates the lag. It certainly did the trick for me.

Unless you use a ROM with the TMOUS camera drivers you might as well not have a flash for taking pictures in dark settings. I spent quite some time just playing around with my old stock ROM too but in the end I gave in because of this issue...
Flashing from the microSD is the safest way to flash anything just make sure that you're battery's fully charged (to be on the safe side) and it's not a stock ROM with an SPL included which would overwrite your HSPL.

Here is a question based on your last comment, Neo, and i'm only asking because i noticed an image was over powered by the flash at around a metre distance. is it possbile to install the tmous camera driver on a stock rom and if so where do i find it?
I found a thread with a link (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5866852&postcount=13) but it fails to install on my stock 1.66 rom and looking at the thread many other too. Although that thread reveals - consistant with neo's comment - that the driver is included in many cooked roms based on the tmous 2.10 (and above) rom

Okay guys. Thanks for the tips. I guess I will have to install HSPL again and this time try to flash Energy's ROM. Don't know if it has the new camera drivers, or if it has those nice bluetooth drivers (I have noticed the voice quality is not very good on my bluetooth headset).
3D GFX and that CPU program, check!
Guess I will also try that "Slide to Unlock", saw it in a youtube demo and it had many more features than i originally thought... nice!!!
So if I understand this right, flashing a stock ROM with the stock SPL does not remove the ability to install HSPL again? But it is just annoying having to install HSPL all over ?

Increase RAM and Performance Tips

Ok so many people are ditching the topaz because they find it too slow, or its performance just doesnt cut it
But i will stay loyal!
Im starting this thread to share tips and tweaks I'm using to increase RAM/Performance on my topaz and hope other contribute too
1. Use rom build 21680 if possible (It is the fastest build for Winmo currently)
- Energy rom and Enterprise rom use this build at the moment
2. Im a huge flash-a-holic and flash roms on every update (tip dont use XDA-UC...i find that it slows down sense performance by just a little bit imo)
3. This is my NUMBER 1 recommendation for all topaz users! Netrippers 'MSM7kCpuSpeed' it's an overclocker which improves performance by HEAPS
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725290
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7419034#post7419034
(the second one is an app that automatically underclocks when screen is off to prevent SOD's and help save battery)
4. Energy rom and Enterprise are by far the best rom for speed and Ram so i recommend either one of those
Energy - http://208.100.42.21/showthread.php?t=562942
Enterprise - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742356
(for better Ram in Energy enable compact start menu saves around 30-40mb of ram)
5. MMAppLauncher to override the start menu to save ram
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=795393
(you can map it to the "windows" button using Topaz Key mapper -http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555821)
Very fast and ram efficient
6. Set pagepool to '0' before flashing a rom for better performance...though it slightly uses more ram (works perfectly if you use a different start menu or energy rom)
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323269
7. Using advanced config tool change all the cache sizes in the "performance" section to max (smooths out sense)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418151
8. Try keep the rom as close as you can to when you flashed it and dont overload it with junk you don't use
9. clean up the start menu which is in the windows folder, this will allow the start menu to be more responsive
10. I personally use Cookie Home tab and design/create it so it looks as close to Standard sense 2.5 (minimal quick links and pages and turned off weather animation and clock flips)
I find it's very quick (faster then standard sense 2.5)
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792303
11. if you don't care about all that fancy eye-candy and stuff, flash a basic titanium rom or sense 2.1 rom which are good on battery/ram/performance
(energy has all these variations ^^link above)
12. Remove all the sense tabs you don't use to increase sense performance
13. Keep in mind skinning uses ram and slows down performance by a little bit
14. disable the dialer skin if you don't care about it (can be done using advanced config tool)
15. Arto's start menu remover and replacement
Remover -http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642654&page=14
Replacement - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914
well thats all i have for the time being...if people want i can keep updating this thread when i find something new?
(Also keep in mind that im not taking into account battery life)
but my battery goes for about 1-2 days on casual use and thats fine for me (as long as it's quick)
and please share your tips

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1. Use rom build 21680 if possible (It is the fastest build for Winmo currently)
- Energy rom and Enterprise rom use this build at the moment
####I think perhaps there are a lot of other roms out there which are all quite fast.
3. This is my NUMBER 1 recommendation for all topaz users! Netrippers 'MSM7kCpuSpeed' it's an overclocker which improves performance by HEAPS
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725290
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7419034#post7419034
(the second one is an app that automatically underclocks when screen is off to prevent SOD's and help save battery)
####Although there are some bugs in this, I agree. I am on 710MHz with a poling interval of 150ms.
4. Energy rom and Enterprise are by far the best rom for speed and Ram so i recommend either one of those
Energy - http://208.100.42.21/showthread.php?t=562942
Enterprise - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742356
(for better Ram in Energy enable compact start menu saves around 30-40mb of ram)
####I think WM6.1 is much quicker than WM6.5.
5. MMAppLauncher to override the start menu to save ram
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=795393
(you can map it to the "windows" button using Topaz Key mapper -http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555821)
Very fast and ram efficient
####OCMan Start Menu is my preference. It only saves ram in WM6.5.
6. Set pagepool to '0' before flashing a rom for better performance...though it slightly uses more ram (works perfectly if you use a different start menu or energy rom)
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323269
####I don't agree. I have set mine at 24Mb. Although this costs ram before my TD2 has done anything, it stablises at a lower ram rate after a period of use.
7. Using advanced config tool change all the cache sizes in the "performance" section to max (smooths out sense)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418151
####Good for speed!
8. Try keep the rom as close as you can to when you flashed it and dont overload it with junk you don't use
####Agreed. If you want applications, then add them to your rom.
9. clean up the start menu which is in the windows folder, this will allow the start menu to be more responsive
####Does not apply if you remove the start menu in the first place.
13. Keep in mind skinning uses ram and slows down performance by a little bit
####If you are going to skin, then add the replaced files to the rom instead of duplicating them.
14. disable the dialer skin if you don't care about it (can be done using advanced config tool)
####I use Phonex and remove the WM dialer too. This saves 2Mb of ram.
15. Arto's start menu remover and replacement
Remover -http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642654&page=14
Replacement - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914
####Good idea, but only for WM6.5/6.5.x
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Thanks for your ideas Gtj! Whilst a lot of people have read them, not many have commented or given any extra ideas.
I would also add the following:
1. Remove as much stuff as possible from the rom that you don't use.
PS, how does this multi-quote mallarky work??

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PS, how does this multi-quote mallarky work??
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Multi quote is used when responding to more than one post, so you click multi quote except for the last thread you are quoting.
Also it is not a good idea to quote the first post or a longer post as it just takes up space.

I think you've read my mind. thanks for the tips! been waiting for someone to speed up my td2

For overclocking I recommend the excellent OverClockTool by iwfratz.
My Topaz is running at 691 Mhz, 0 interval without any kind of problems, and it really is faster!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7463284&postcount=162

Many thanks for these tips. Will definitely try them out.

Winmo / Android

First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?

I'm on android right now. WM 6.5 was ok, but with android I feel like I have a new phone, everything I use works very well, the only thing I didn't get working straight out of the "box", was the g-sensor, but after reading the same thread (link below), I found how to calibrate it (faced down and then hit calibrate).
This is the one I'm using in case you want to give android another shot:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901576&highlight=g-sensor
PS. WM 6.5 is finger friendly, is it not? I never had any problems with it. The only reason I switched initially was to get more apps.

well mate.... I am on android (bauner's nand stock desire) and I will never comeback to winmo. I don't really know what You did wrong, but my hd2 flies with it and every single thing works (wifi tethering, fm radio, 800 x 480 video, etc.).
as a matter of fact it runs so well, that I am going to keep my leo much longer than I was planning to.
... well, at least until moto atrix launch in UK.

so OP… what did you end up doing?

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as a matter of fact it runs so well, that I am going to keep my leo much longer than I was planning to.
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^^^ This
I can only assume that there was a problem with your setup because Android runs like a DREAM! It really is like having a brand new phone, and I've had this phone for 14 months now so I'm very happy about that
Longest I've ever had a phone in my life!

Well the only builds i'll never try again, due to lagg, are desire hd builds. They're just too laggy for me, and they run out of ram too quickly for me to appreciate.
Currently i'm using projection's desire build, and I must say, it's a really fast and smooth build, so fast i haven't found the need to flash another build, since it came out.

cylent said:
First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?
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I got my HD2 a few months back, stuck with WinMO 6.5 until some good stable NANDs started appearing.
I am now using "IAMGPC - Gingerbread NAND" and it works great, no lag, good battery life with drain about 4-6ma in standby. Far superior OS to WinMo 6.5.
Take a look here "android.hd2roms.com/" each day and check for updates and read the posts for issues. I recommend using a well know cook/chef's builds.
Thats my opinion, take it or leave it.

yelsew_aknor said:
so OP… what did you end up doing?
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honestly... i am stuck. because although you guys all say winmo 6.5 is old and gone i still feel its magically fast on my HD2.
i tried running android off of SD (from winmo6.5) yesterday and it worked great.. almost like it was a NAND version.
to be honest ... and i dont want to get flamed for saying this... but i wish wp7 rom was usable with a market and not this activation crap you have to go through because when i ran wp7 on my hd2 it flew! and the animations are great!
so we'll see. i am gonna try CMYLXGO's Topia HD(2) ROM and see how that goes.

Droid
I really liked WM 6.5 for about three months until it started freezing a couple times a day and freezing for 10 seconds every time i received a new text so i put MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v2.6 NAND gingerbread mod and it is great except for aTAKEphone doesn't seem to be working on it for me but besides that I think that it is awesome and will stick with this till some of the windows 7 roms get a little more developed, especially since i heard that Msoft might be putting out a major update for wp7 soon

johncmolyneux said:
^^^ This
I can only assume that there was a problem with your setup because Android runs like a DREAM! It really is like having a brand new phone, and I've had this phone for 14 months now so I'm very happy about that
Longest I've ever had a phone in my life!
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wrong with my setup? like what could i possibly be doing? this isnt a PC with different hardware. its a HD2 and the whole world has the same unit (almost)...
the only thing you can blame is the SD card but its a new one and its 16GB/Class10 ...

cylent said:
wrong with my setup? like what could i possibly be doing? this isnt a PC with different hardware. its a HD2 and the whole world has the same unit (almost)...
the only thing you can blame is the SD card but its a new one and its 16GB/Class10 ...
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cylent said:
i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
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I have never had a NAND build (or even SD builds from about December onwards) run slow or sluggish, and I have never had a build that doesn't look complete etc.. That's why I suggest that there is a setup issue here. Setup is obviously your hardware and software, together. You're not gonna change the hardware, so try a different build.
Incidentally, if you read through the forums you will see some people having some issues, while others do not have them. This is normal for every issue reported on the HD2, so it's not simply a case that we all have the same hardware so they all work the same. That's not true.
And thanks for pointing out that my phone is not a PC, and it's a HD2. I obviously needed that pointing out to me. I did wonder how I could fit my PC in my pocket.

cylent said:
First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?
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What do you feel like is missing?
The latter android builds are a lot faster and more stable than even the best WM6.5 roms in my experience. I've got a lot of friends who are EVO users, and the HD2 with a custom Android ROM is practically the same phone as the EVO.
I'm dual booting WP7 and Android, personally would never go back to WM6.5. I can, however, understand the reasons why people prefer it to Android and WP7, but speed, stability, and performance are not any of the reasons.

cylent said:
First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?
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Well, the glory of the HD2 is if you don't like a particular OS you don't have to run it. I'd just suggest running WM6.5 and boot your favorite Android ROM via SD etc until a build of either WP7 or Android is released that you feel fits your everyday usage needs.

I'm sticking with WM. I find that Android need more physical button pressing than WM. I rarely have any crashes/freezes with WM.
I don't play games and that's the only thing that would pull me towards Android.
I've had Android and WM for the same amount of time. For my experience and usage, there is no reason for me to go to Android at this time. Other people have different usages, so their needs may be different.

I'm trying to decide whether I'll even bother to try Android. I don't really play games on my HD2.
I use the calendar, contacts, word, excel, powerpoint, tasks, notes (MS Office) and Outlook. (The HTC Contacts app doesn't hold enough info, even for family.) I use Total commander, weather, maps, search, camera/camcorder, dictionaries, music, books, rss, internet (usually wifi), etc. However, I rarely play anything but solitare or majong.
WHY, specifically, do you like android? or WP7? or WM 6.5? PLEASE be extremely specific.

ElaineD said:
WHY, specifically, do you like android? or WP7? or WM 6.5? PLEASE be extremely specific.
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WM because it's solid and just works. Has all the important apps I need. Extremely smooth and finger friendly with SPB MS3.5 instead of sense. There's a logic to it's layout and settings which I find android lacks. It's mature and refined. Browsing with Opera 10 is near perfect, it can handle the pages I go to, it responds how I expect a mobile browser to respond, unlike the browsers in android.
Android has 2 good points that WM doesnt, other than them I do not believe it is anywhere near as good as WM.
1. Ability to connect to more than one exchange account, it means I can get my personal mail and my work mail. Too bad the mail client is frustratingly basic.
2. Kindle reader. The advantages it has over MS Reader is of course it's desinged for finger swiping rather than trying to tape on the forward/back triangles, and Amazon's kindle library.

I'm also stuck between WinMo and Android.
WinMo:
- iGO
- stability, speed, everything just works
- Sense is better*
- all those little tweaks and regedits that made the phone better
Android:
- notifications!!!
- GMail
- GTalk
- FB
- browser (flash)
- not dead
* Tabs are just nicer, people tab is not auto sorted, photo animations are nicer, slide to answer/ignore is better and consistent. Also, I'm not sure if there's PhoneAlarm and TouchLock alternative on android.

after trying many android sd- and nand-builds, as well as wp7, I went back to wm 6.5.3.
wm is just working as it should be. thanks to cht 2.0 and sense, I can change everything perfectly to my needs. opera 9.7 isn't as good as the android browser, but it gets the job done. I really don't care about any additional apps. everything important I need, is already there and that fever to always have the newest rom and apps vanished a long time ago - luckily.
the biggest problem with android is in my opinion the really bad implementation of basic functions. no smartdialing, no mark all as read in the email app, way too many limitations in customizing the homescreen, no decent agenda widget and so on. and call me paranoid but I dont like the calling home functions of many apps either.
for wp7, its a whole other story. I really like the userinterface to some point. its easy to read, clean and fast. what I hate is the wasted space on many screens. you have basically only 3/5 of the screen to show relevant information, instead of 4/5 on other platforms. and of course there is the horrible homescreen. I really dont understand what microsoft thought when designing this useless waste of space. where I have 5 shortcuts, 8 calendar entries, a big clock, the date and the weather with android or wm6.5, wp7 only shows a maximum of one calendar entry (only today and tomorrow), 4 way too huge shortcuts and a small clock. and of course to show other shortcuts you need to scroll one big ass list down ... seriously, what is that?
wm6.5 might not have nice transitions (in fact the flickering when changing apps sucks), nor a good marketplace, but its finger friendly (at 99% of the programs), has the best customizable homescreen (thanks to cht) and the fastest to use userinterface without the need to swipe or scroll 100 times to get to the information you want. in my opinion its the most undervalued OS of all of them.
though, I might change to android sometime in the future, as it progresses and the flaws are taken care of. but I'm not holding my breath for that ...

chalid said:
after trying many android sd- and nand-builds, as well as wp7, I went back to wm 6.5.3.
wm is just working as it should be. thanks to cht 2.0 and sense, I can change everything perfectly to my needs. opera 9.7 isn't as good as the android browser, but it gets the job done. I really don't care about any additional apps. everything important I need, is already there and that fever to always have the newest rom and apps vanished a long time ago - luckily.
the biggest problem with android is in my opinion the really bad implementation of basic functions. no smartdialing, no mark all as read in the email app, way too many limitations in customizing the homescreen, no decent agenda widget and so on. and call me paranoid but I dont like the calling home functions of many apps either.
for wp7, its a whole other story. I really like the userinterface to some point. its easy to read, clean and fast. what I hate is the wasted space on many screens. you have basically only 3/5 of the screen to show relevant information, instead of 4/5 on other platforms. and of course there is the horrible homescreen. I really dont understand what microsoft thought when designing this useless waste of space. where I have 5 shortcuts, 8 calendar entries, a big clock, the date and the weather with android or wm6.5, wp7 only shows a maximum of one calendar entry (only today and tomorrow), 4 way too huge shortcuts and a small clock. and of course to show other shortcuts you need to scroll one big ass list down ... seriously, what is that?
wm6.5 might not have nice transitions (in fact the flickering when changing apps sucks), nor a good marketplace, but its finger friendly (at 99% of the programs), has the best customizable homescreen (thanks to cht) and the fastest to use userinterface without the need to swipe or scroll 100 times to get to the information you want. in my opinion its the most undervalued OS of all of them.
though, I might change to android sometime in the future, as it progresses and the flaws are taken care of. but I'm not holding my breath for that ...
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EXACTLY my assessment so far; I keep thinking that I must have missed something about android because I keep reading so many raving reviews.

I am starting to like the way this thread of mine is heading. peaceful but nice opinions are being shared here.
so while doing more and more browsing and more rom "tryouts" i found out the following: The video driver on the android system for HD2 is not accelerated. it means android is rendering This is obvious for anyone how the system stutters and does odd things.
just wanted to point that out.