Samsung now failes with Windows phone updates! - Epic 4G General

Let's just face it, Samsung needs to change their name to Samsuck, first the failure with the Froyo update, now with Windows phones. Check it out.

Except for the minor detail that Microsoft is failing in this case bot Samsung.

I'm not so sure. There aren't a whole lot of details flying around about what's actually behind the errors. The only thing we know for sure is that it's only affecting Samsung handsets. While it's tempting to be Generic Open Advocate A and dish the blame on Microsoft, we're all sitting here well aware of Samsung's inability to build a device with a smooth update process.
Personally, I'm suspicious of the microSD cards. Samsung WP7 handsets were widely praised for having accessible microSD slots. I'm just wondering if any of the folk having issues did any tinkering in that regard.

My name says it all
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and so does 57 post in 5 days...

xTmDarren said:
and so does 57 post in 5 days...
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Lol, post of the day.
Scent phrum mie fone!

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and so does 57 post in 5 days...
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Haha he definitely created that account for a reason.
cd's or tapes?

There is absolutely no evidence in saying that this was Samsungs fault. Zero. Nadda.
Our phones all of our updates have been rather painless despite the delays.. the 2.1 ota's all went fine, the EB13 update works perfect if you install it the Samsung way (Odin-wizard you get from their site).
OTA's will always be prone to failures, especially if it's a big upgrade like 2.1 to 2.2. It introduces to many variables, some it will be perfect, others it will brick the phone.

josidhe said:
I'm not so sure. There aren't a whole lot of details flying around about what's actually behind the errors. The only thing we know for sure is that it's only affecting Samsung handsets.
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TheDub said:
There is absolutely no evidence in saying that this was Samsungs fault. Zero. Nadda.
Our phones all of our updates have been rather painless despite the delays.. the 2.1 ota's all went fine, the EB13 update works perfect if you install it the Samsung way (Odin-wizard you get from their site).
OTA's will always be prone to failures, especially if it's a big upgrade like 2.1 to 2.2. It introduces to many variables, some it will be perfect, others it will brick the phone.
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Regardless of who is to blame, the fact remains that it only seems to affect Samsung phones.
My phone on Eclaire was never rooted, just bone stock, and I updated the Samsung way from their site with the large .exe file the night they released, and I have issues, my GPS is flaky still, my compass is hosed, TWS issues still, browser checker-boarding etc., etc. The same issues many folks complain of, so it is not perfect if one installed it the Samsung Odin way.
Samsung needs to get it together in the mobile phone department.

They released 2.2 to shut us up.. It wasn't ready anyway. This is why they are still working on it .

And yet, we're all here!
That's because Sammy makes killer hardware. The best. So, we stay anyway, ***** and moan, and rely on our amazing dev community the do the software engineering. Even with all our frustration with Sapstung, this model seems enough for almost all of us to get over the threshold to satisfaction.
Samsung's probably quite satisfied with that model too!
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I agree samsung makes amazing hardware, which is why I am so surprised that they are using the tegra 2 in their tablet. Tegra 2 is about the worst dual core that android is gonna run. Can't believe they would do that, especially because the tegra 2 is incapable of playing back high profile h.264 at L4.1, which our phones handle flawlessly and the original ipad handles flawlessly. Makes no sense. Releasing a tablet a year after the original ipad which is INCAPABLE of matching it with regards to media playback is ridiculous.
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Official froyo to be available end of next month

@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Congrats Samsung. Three months after every other company. When will they learn that software development is just as important as hardware development?
they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"
It will likely come sooner to some locations
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they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"
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If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.
Something is NOT better than nothing. I hope they take their time and optimize the stinking releases that have been leaked so far.
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Another month or even two is fine with me. I'd rather they do things properly than rush to please an impatient minority
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If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.
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You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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on twitter @samsungukmobile confirmed to release froyo in this month, hope it will, maybe 23rd sept?! :-O
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You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?
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The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?
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Because some jackass at Samsung with a big ego can't admit that their filesystem is rubbish and needs to die. Even though they could easily swap it for a better one and give the phone a massive performance boost.
Whoever it is should get fired. Surely their engineers realise this, there must be someone stopping them from doing their job properly.
I hope they do something about it. It really is a strange problem.
JPH certainly wasn't fit to be officially released so I'm not surprised by a delay.
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@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Same here in Romania, samsungmobiles.ro said the update will be available around October, 15th...
I prefer to update my phone in October instead of updating it tomorrow with another damn crappy firmware. These koreans have very strange policies about firmware development
I would be very surprised if samsung change filesystem so close to the release - this is not typical for a large company. The leaked roms should be by now a good indication of what to expect. The reason samsung came up with rfs is because of older flash technology, they just seem to feel safer and more comfortable with continuing using in-house solution. Frankly, I don't expect they would ever switch - it would require significant validation, support tools, coordination ... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...
this is really sad....cant believe a company like samsung shipping millions of phones all across the globe cant have a 15 member elite team compile a froyo build which works really well....thats really a shame for samsung imo. We're not talking about needing engineers from another planet with large sized brains to be cracking this one....it just needs a well coordinated prioritized approach.
Wonder when samsung would realize the importance of having a good software team....looks like only HTC has realized the importance of packing in good sw improvements over an os as a winning differentiator.
bah!
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... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...
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If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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Agreed. I really like the SGS but this lag issue can't be ignored. If they really refuse to replace their terrible RFS system it seems like an insult. There is no good reason to keep it, we have already had people on this forum come up with significant improvements to the lag by implementing other filesystems.
But then the problem is, who do I go to next
I'm not afraid to switch manufacturer, I do it all the time. Nokia lost me due to crap software, HTC suck at sound quality, SE are super slow with Android updates (their flagship phone is still on 1.6, haha)...
Damn, they're all crap in their own way
Samsung don't make me write you off for good by screwing the SGS owners over
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If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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Yeah, I don't think that Samsung will abandon SGS soon. I had i900 Omnia and the best firmware for this one has been released may be a year and a half after it's promo. Funny ha? I remember the first firmware. It was AWESOMELY crappy and sluggish. Sad story
@Maddmatt: I totally agree with you. Now Samsung have a really BIG chance to grow their market share with great phone like our SGS, but they should be fast and quick, fighting for their customers. Because we didn't spent 500$+ for their ignorance policies
i got omnia (the first one, 16GB) and only managed to see one official firmware update, and that's it. Then it was all about Omnia II. Hopefully, they won't do the same with SGS and come up with SGS II anytime soon.

Show some love for Samsung?

It's should have to be said that almost everyone bashes Samsung for one reason or the other but to be honest, I think Samsung has been listening to the consumer. Although, the lack of communication with consumers is its greatest downfall.
For example,
-Compress and GPS are been fixed actively (although not perfect, there's effort being put into the issue).
-Unlike Motorola and HTC, Samsung didn't include mechanism that makes tweaking harder (eg. efuse, and the whole G2 fiasco).
-Fixes for some of the smallest bugs, JI6 fixes alot of random quirks, such as Allshare now display the correct aspect ratio, to Calendar Alarm fix, Message Client crash, etc. Stuff that only a handful of people have express concerns over.
-Kies for updates (Kies Mini for Vibrant was extremely generous)
-Source Codes for Froyo released in a timely manner.
As stated above, the biggest downside to Samsung is the company's lack of communication with the buyers. If they can just be a bit more proactive I am sure people would trust it as much as they trust HTC or Motorola (Droid Series), etc.
When they make something that works properly (like their crappy software which won't update my phone with bugs in it)... then maybe I'll think about it.
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When they make something that works properly (like their crappy software which won't update my phone with bugs in it)... then maybe I'll think about it.
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When is the last time a piece of software doesn't have bugs in it.
Other softwares with bugs:
Windows .... Check.
Mac.... Check.
iOS......Check.
Android is no exception, or just look at G2 and it's state of chaos.
Oh, and the all mighty Bionix Rom develop here by XDA dev? Bugs, even more than stock, every revision gets a huge bugs fix, and more pops up. Software will never get completely perfect.
I don't understand what you're saying..... that we should say good things about Samsung because they suck as bad as Microsoft?
For the record, even Apple software ports run better on a PC than any of Samsung's apps...which is pretty sad because iTunes sucks something fierce on Windows.
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I don't understand what you're saying..... that we should say good things about Samsung because they suck as bad as Microsoft?
For the record, even Apple software ports run better on a PC than any of Samsung's apps...which is pretty sad because iTunes sucks something fierce on Windows.
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You sure its not you? Because my Samsung apps run perfectly fine. Annnnnd if it wasn't for Samsung you wouldn't have that beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen now would you?
Just my 2 cents.
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Alex530 said:
You sure its not you? Because my Samsung apps run perfectly fine. Annnnnd if it wasn't for Samsung you wouldn't have that beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen now would you?
Just my 2 cents.
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I think it's just her.
I'm loving Samsung for providing Kies Mini for us and all the work they're doing trying to updates out the door. They've got what....9 or 12 phones running Android and just announced more within the past week.
I'm loving the screen in general. I was considering the G2 but just the 1.3 gigs and its LCD screen are too much of a downgrade for me. Plus I can't live without root!
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Yes. Its just me.
There aren't a dozen threads all over the Galaxy S boards (here and elsewhere) about Kies/Kies Mini sucking or not recognizing phones
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Yes. Its just me.
There aren't a dozen threads all over the Galaxy S boards (here and elsewhere) about Kies/Kies Mini sucking or not recognizing phones
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I personally did not have problem with kies and I was even using a 64 bit OS. Now, people have problem folowing directions. I see so many times Kies diesnt recognize the phone because 1) phone not in kies mode 2) not usibg default launcher 3) didnt bother to install driver. All of which were addressed in the instructions.
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When they make something that works properly (like their crappy software which won't update my phone with bugs in it)... then maybe I'll think about it.
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There is no such thing in the world as a bug free software. All of the world's most praised software has patches and updates that fix issues that have been reported.
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Yes. Its just me.
There aren't a dozen threads all over the Galaxy S boards (here and elsewhere) about Kies/Kies Mini sucking or not recognizing phones
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1% of its userbase experiencing such problems equates to hardware/software incompatibilities and/or the biggest reason for software problems, ID10T errors.
I say if people don't like it get rid of it. Done
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This is my 2nd Samsung phone and the 2nd time I have had these problems. A motorola driver has never crapped out on me, and Motorola phone tools never took over my USB bus, disabling all other devices on it.
Kies did and I had to uninstall it if I wanted any network connectivity on my desktop. Conversely, HTC and Motorola drivers and software work like they are supposed the first time I run them.
There's definitely a reason that Samsung is in 3rd place behind them. Given the issues that the Galaxy S, their flagship device has.... I don't see them overtaking either of those two companies anytime soon.
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There's definitely a reason that Samsung is in 3rd place behind them. Given the issues that the Galaxy S, their flagship device has.... I don't see them overtaking either of those two companies anytime soon.
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Hate to break it to you, but Samsung is already the #2 mobile phone manufacturer in the world, after Nokia.
iTunes and the iPhone updating system has had it's fair share of USB related and just bug related problems when updating software or restoring. Nice error messages they give you. Googling them brings you a plethora of people complaining right on the official Apple forums (a rarity because the forum is nazi-moderated).
I have no serious issues with my Vibrant. I know what I like and what I don't. I don't like stock Android.. I know that for certain. Same with a large QWERTY device. Not my thing anymore. I know that people like to ***** and moan on forums, a LOT. The G2 forum has already been graced with a "where is mai andriod 3.0s???" thread and a TON of complains/bugs. From poor signal, to random reboots, from loose hinges, to complaints about where they have the USB port.
Samsung is O K
I have worked with sooo many systems over the last 15 years........ All have their problems. Samsung Galaxy phones are one of the better ones I have dealt with. I tweaked my very first cell phone in the 1980's (set it up with a fake ring tone).
The important thing is notice how many very very good custom ROM and tweaks have come out for this phone That speaks to how much people like the phone. Like I have said before... the phone makers can and must do better.......alot of the lame bugs are because of laziness or just being in a rush. My Vibrant is a great phone. I just want a perfect phone just like all the techies in this forum.

Samsung Vibrant old news already?

Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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you don't know much about the field and business of technology do you?
The second you buy any electronic device, it is obsolete before you even walk out of the store with it. It's something you have to accept if you make any electronics purchases.
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Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.
Even though they keep coming out with new phones doesn't mean yours isn't good. Root that baby, flash a rom and fall in love with your phone all over again.
Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
4.5" screen
5+mp camera w/ flash and dedicated camera button
actual hard buttons
and of course ANDROID
And of course with the same 13-1500mAh batteries these has, so we'll have like 5000 threads about terrible battery life, etc.
Personally, I don't think there is anything great about the Vibrant outside of the screen. That was Samsung's main selling point. The GPU is good, but there are now apps popping up left and right that are claiming "No Support for Samsung Galaxy S."
Yahoo Messenger for Android now has no Support for Galaxy S, Lol.
Not going to bother buying another Samsung phone anyways, but certainly not going to buy another phone with internals outside of the mainstream.
I personally view them going in another direction IRT hardware has a massive failure. That's like buying a Windows Computer with an AMD Processor, and Microsoft telling you Live Messenger isn't supported on you computer because you got AMD instead of Intel, or Microsoft Office won't run on your computer because you're running Windows Vista instead of 7, or WoW won't run on your computer because you got an ATI instead of an NVidia. Massive failure, IMO.
Apps > Hardware.
Then there's the issue of a bunch of apps simply being incompatible due to the phone only having Android 2.1...
If you expect a Nexus S or whatever to change that, then I dunno what to say. 90% of high end smartphones run Snapdragons and most don't run TouchWiz, so developers will continue to target architectures which are the majority - as they should, cause targetting Samsung's phone and ending up with apps that crash and burn on all those other phones would be utterly retarded.
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Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.
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yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!
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cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
4.5" screen
5+mp camera w/ flash and dedicated camera button
actual hard buttons
and of course ANDROID
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in a few weeks new Galaxy S/Nexus S coming to Tmobile. maybe it will be dual and 99.9% it will have flash. and the best thing, no more waiting for updates, and it will already come with Android 2.3
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Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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Got in the site... i figured it out and didn't have to watch that whole video lol
Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.
Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
Thing about it is, I thought about this too.. What is out that your phone can't do? It can run all the latest apps, and will even be able to support gingerbread. You could have a 5ghz phone, but what good will it do? The 1/4 second that it would be quicker would not be noticeable.
Galaxy S. Maybe the next version will include the P, so it will have a GPS~
Slow down??? Hell no! Speed up with new devices already. And the Vibrant is just fine. I use it, it has an awesome screen, and new updates get uploaded on XDA almost on a daily basis. And I love watching new phones appear. It just means that by the time I get around to another upgrade in about 14 months, the phones at that time will be that much better. So keep innovating, companies, and improving and releasing new phones.
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Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?
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Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.
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What exactly are you talking about. No one is complaining about technology advancing. People are complaining mostly (and mostly indirectly) about the rate at which hardware/devices are deprecated and forgotten about.
Lots of people come from a long background in using computers, so they are not used to seeing a 1 year old device become "unsupported" for the most part.
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Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
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Yes, those threads piss me off so much I don't even open battery threads anymore unless it's one I posted in and there's a chance a reply may be directed at me.
Most people with great battery life hardly use the phone. I get 20 hours easy when it sits there in Standby for 18.5 of those hours. Once I start using the phone, the battery is crap. I actually had to uninstall some very useful applications so the battery wouldn't commit suicide.
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Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?
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Yep. Actually noticed the G2 add play 3x tonight. The hinge is crap, but at least the phone works as expected.
A phone doesn't have to be "really that good" to be worth the investment. In many cases, like the Vibrant, when the phone is supposed to be "really that good" it just turns out to be a failed result of overreaching.
I got this phone because it had a lot of storage in it, and it's not like T-Mobile had that many choices when it came to high end smartphones when the Vibrant was released. Some people replying to posts act like the G2, MyTouch4G, HD7, etc. were being sold in stores in July/August.
There was the HD2, and the Vibrant. That's it. The rest of T-Mobile's phones were utter crap.
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yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!
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This right here. What should have been a wonderful experience has been badly sullied by non-existent support.
Buying a phone on a 2 year contract and finding out that the phone isn't even properly supported for 4 months should be enough to piss anyone off.

Samsung thinks that 2.2 is a marketing Gimmick?

Ok I know that its bad to jump to conclusions on this but I was listening to a recent podcast on Engadget where they were talking about Samsung devices. I saw it on their site and I knew I just had to listen having a Vibrant. I was enjoying their bashing about on things and then they mentioned that a Samsung rep told them that they think of 2.2 as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure that's just some guy who doesn't understand what 2.2 or 2.3 do for our phones.
But what do you think about that? I mean looking at how long it takes to get updates for the phone, does a part of you believe that this maybe true?
What's your thoughts?
hmm i can't post the link since i read more than i post but it's on engadget's site and here's the rest of the URL after .com
/2010/11/13/engadget-podcast-219-11-13-2010/
At about 00:17:25 of the podcast.
it doesn't really matter we get 2.2 or 2.3(your dream only) or not. It only matters they sell it more or even more.
Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
Personally, I don't think the average consumer cares that much. Only people like us and similar communities keep on top of what each version does better than it's predecessor.
In the end, you're far better off flashing one of the ROMs here anyway. I've got buddies at work still kickin' it with the G1 due to it's versatility. Why would I want the 2.2 update from T-mobile? Crappy TouchWiz, bloatware and all that nastiness. Only thing I can see it useful for is if I wanted to send in the phone for warranty work.
+1 im on the onyx rom right now and tell you the truth the only thing i want an official 2.2 froyo from tmobile would be to iron out the very lil tiny things thats wrong on this rom other than that i can care less ..
as for gingerbread 2.3 im pretty sure we will have it due to the amazing work of people like som, viral, eugene, and master.
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Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
Personally, I don't think the average consumer cares that much. Only people like us and similar communities keep on top of what each version does better than it's predecessor.
In the end, you're far better off flashing one of the ROMs here anyway. I've got buddies at work still kickin' it with the G1 due to it's versatility. Why would I want the 2.2 update from T-mobile? Crappy TouchWiz, bloatware and all that nastiness. Only thing I can see it useful for is if I wanted to send in the phone for warranty work.
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+1 im on the onyx rom right now and tell you the truth the only thing i want an official 2.2 froyo from tmobile would be to iron out the very lil tiny things thats wrong on this rom other than that i can care less ..
as for gingerbread 2.3 im pretty sure we will have it due to the amazing work of people like som, viral, eugene, and master.
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I am running an unofficial Froyo ROM, and yet to find "wrong", ymmv.
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Ok I know that its bad to jump to conclusions on this but I was listening to a recent podcast on Engadget where they were talking about Samsung devices. I saw it on their site and I knew I just had to listen having a Vibrant. I was enjoying their bashing about on things and then they mentioned that a Samsung rep told them that they think of 2.2 as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure that's just some guy who doesn't understand what 2.2 or 2.3 do for our phones.
But what do you think about that? I mean looking at how long it takes to get updates for the phone, does a part of you believe that this maybe true?
What's your thoughts?
hmm i can't post the link since i read more than i post but it's on engadget's site and here's the rest of the URL after .com
/2010/11/13/engadget-podcast-219-11-13-2010/
At about 00:17:25 of the podcast.
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Well, considering that a Vibrant Froyo ROM already leaked, either that Samsung Rep is full of crap (likely), or Engadget staff is (even MORE likely).
KGaines said:
Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
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If that were the case, ATT, Sprint, and Verizon would all have released Froyo for their GalaxyS devices. So yeah, I pin the blame on Samsung...
I do find it hard to believe that t-mobile is to blame here considering the other galaxy s devices that have yet to implement as well.
And yes it's true a rom here would be a lot better. Not to say that an official rom would be terrible. All roms have bugs, but you would think by now that samsung would want the best for their consumers. Even if they don't know what 2.2 is. Oh and if you were wondering, yes I'm still on the stock rom. I'm just not ready to redo all my settings on my phone when I update to a new rom.
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I do find it hard to believe that t-mobile is to blame here considering the other galaxy s devices that have yet to implement as well.
And yes it's true a rom here would be a lot better. Not to say that an official rom would be terrible. All roms have bugs, but you would think by now that samsung would want the best for their consumers. Even if they don't know what 2.2 is. Oh and if you were wondering, yes I'm still on the stock rom. I'm just not ready to redo all my settings on my phone when I update to a new rom.
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Yeah, I am frustrated with the Samsung heading into Android as well.
They marketed Galaxy S as a such a great phone (which it is) with the ability to upgrade it to the latest (at the time of the launch) OS within months, yet they have released new hardware - Galaxy Tab - with 2.2, and keep the Galaxy S phone users out dry - thanks to these boards I do not have to rely on them, but I did void the warranty by rooting my device and installing the custom ROM. And now they are already marketing Gingerbread platform that will ultimately become second Google dev phone, and again let everyone dry on a Galaxy S phone market.
I do want to get the real Google phone, and knowing that I don't have to rely on the carriers to release the update for me, but seeing how it will be a Samsung device makes me uneasy.
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I do want to get the real Google phone, and knowing that I don't have to rely on the carriers to release the update for me, but seeing how it will be a Samsung device makes me uneasy.
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Nexus S could be a good thing. Very good hardware, Samsung, combined with the best OS development, Google.
Can't google release the firmwares to our phone?
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I am running an unofficial Froyo ROM, and yet to find "wrong", ymmv.
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Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
Oh yeah, do you have an external SD card bigger than 2gb? If so, try copying more than 2gb of data to it.
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Can't google release the firmwares to our phone?
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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According to T-Mobile, Google is the one that pushed out the 2.2 OTA for the myTouch3g 1.0.
Google can't push out updates for phones like the Vibrant, Droid X, HTC Evo, etc. because of TouchWiz, Motoblur and Sense. Google has absolutely no way to update those manufacturer customizations, they can only push stock android to devices.
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Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
Oh yeah, do you have an external SD card bigger than 2gb? If so, try copying more than 2gb of data to it.
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I see. That's why I don't see any wrong I am not using that feature.
SD card.
I didn't see that, hmm will see if I can source a bigger card.
Did you try unmounting the card from the phone and mounting back? I had issues when I flashed 2.2 with my external card, but re-mounting on the phone resolved it.
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Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
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mine works fine
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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Screw Samsung!! Google releases update quickly than Samsung right?
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Samsung is busy kicking out leading edge hardware with little resources available to post sales support. So far samsung has distanced themselves from competitors while alienating some customers. A mistake maybe, a gamble definitely. Going past the holidays presents the lose of existing customers, they've need to make gesture soon.
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mine works fine
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You're talking about a plain old set of headphones that DO NOT have a mic built in? Or an AUX cable to a stereo (again, with NO MIC)? And you get call audio through the headphones and use the phone's built-in mic?
That's funny, because if so, you're the only one that it works for.
Remember: NO MIC BUILT INTO THE HEADPHONES.
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I see. That's why I don't see any wrong I am not using that feature.
SD card.
I didn't see that, hmm will see if I can source a bigger card.
Did you try unmounting the card from the phone and mounting back? I had issues when I flashed 2.2 with my external card, but re-mounting on the phone resolved it.
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Yeah, you won't see any problems if you use an inline mic, or a headset w/mic. I have a plain, no mic AUX cable to my car stereo - I listen to music, and when a call comes in I answer it and call audio comes through my car speakers and I talk using the phone's built-in mic.
As for the SD, yeah, I tried re-mounting it on the phone, and even formatting it on the phone too, but nothing fixed the fact that it was only showing up as a 2.2gb drive in Windows' Device Manager.
The galaxy s is a fine device with really good hardware.. and I really don't have a big of an urge to have froyo, though it would be nice if i could have it on my phone.. but i think samsung is just behind in other aspects knowing that the mobile industry is very highly competitive... from a business perspective, samsung may be all about their sales and profit while ignoring oring their customers' complaints and needs... it's pretty obvious that majority of smarphone users are not power users, nor do they even know what the android os is, but still, samsung must deliver and execute an effective strategy that can refrain the power users from considering another brand.. htc and motorola are doing well in supporting their devices, samsung must do the same if they want to remain in the competition..
what i dont understand is.. what is preventing them from releasing an update that the end-users yearn for when the tab is already on 2.2 and Europe has it too.. oh, it must the customizations from different carriers that is hindering and prolonging the said update.. ughh..
I wonder what our xda devs think, I feel like many of the awesome devs here couldve led a team to get froyo on the Vibrant and had it done long, long ago. Then again I know nothing about development so I'd be interested to read what the more experienced devs think, is it reasonable for it to take this long in the hands of skilled devs? Or does it seem like an incapable personnel problem at Samsung?
Anyway, i would think Sam would want to release it before xmas because after tethering, flash, more ram, all kinds of improvements its like a whole new generation of SGS it gives them a whole new advertising campaign. At least thats how I see it, when i got froyo for my nexus it was like getting a whole new phone.
Maybe people who dont know better will not miss 2.2, but considering its massive popularity, eventually the very ubiquitous SGS is going to be so far behind that it will become prominent news and even novice Android owners are going to take Samsung's inability to update into account when it comes time to replace their SGS. Surely Samsung realizes this.
Personaly I absolutely love their hardware, Ive had three HTC Androids and this one Samsung and its my favorite hardware, but Samsung is now at least below HTC and Moto when I look for my next phone, updates are way more important than Samsung wants them to be.

My observations of Google/android

Hi people,
My wife and i both have notes. I'm rooted and have been running JB ever since the first leak.
My wife's is totally stock, running ics.
She's fed up of waiting for it, and before you all start flaming, she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying (her words not mine)
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know, but at this rate her contract upgrade will be upon her before she even gets jelly bean (due In august!!!) and I doubt she'll stay with android.
Personally I'm beginning to loose faith in Android and the fragmentation of its OS
The most used version is GB still!!!
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
Rant over
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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This answer might be considered standard from now on to every thread, question and rambling comparation of iPhone (6device company) and Android (+1000device not-a-single-company). Full stop.
Flashing a ROM in Odin does not need root :|
My thoughts
The most used version is GB still!!!
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Your Point? Nokia 1110 is the most used mobile phone. How many have you seen using that nowadays?
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
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It's nobody's fault.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
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It took 2 years from Single Core to Dual, but less than 6 months from proper Quad Cores to First Octa Core unveiled.
I used to think investing this many on a mobile phone keep me not in Enthusiast but in mainstream category for atleast 2-3 years. Not 8 months after purchase, it already feel cheap.
At least with iPhone, you have the peace of mind that if you got screwed, so are others, and pain won't resurface until a year or so.
But with Android, its like, you invest 500 Bucks on a phone and 30 minutes later, a new phone twice as powerful for 550 is unveiled set to release 2 months later.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Sadly, Stockholm Syndrome is a little wider than you think.
lol stockholm syndrome. Never heard of it that way with devices/product lock-in. Gave me quite a laugh, cause it could be true. Bit drastic but whatever.
Good thing Apple did push the envelope rushing android and other mobile manufacturers into better areas. Since they lost momentum I hope the Androids momentum continues.
On topic, there is another factor slowing multicountry roll outs, thats the countries themselves, so its not necessary Sammies fault one country is faster then others, go blame your countries for unable to keep up with Trini-Bego
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
Namanarusia said:
I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
Well i kind of agree with you but if a person is too hungry for updates. There always are the custom roms. I am a tw fan and i keep my phone stock but when i get bore or anything i try the custom and use it for a week or two.
So android basically is not locked up. U always have ways out. Good thibg about android is that u always get what google has to offer and plus the OEM update is a bonus.
I like to stay with samsung because of this fact.
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iPhone = One manufacturer, one OS, each iPhone (3g, s, 4s, 5) will run the same official shyt apple gives them
Android = Several manufacturers, several options, several price groups, several specs
Apple = MoFo autocrat
Android = Democracy
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Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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Android users would take it as a compliment. Android is evolving faster - open source - :thumbup:
kingears said:
she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying
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Since when you need root to flash official XXLSZ for Germany via Odin? You don't even loose warranty...
kingears said:
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know
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Then why you're whining when you have no idea what you're talking about?
kingears said:
The most used version is GB still!!!
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So? many people still use old phones and they don't want to change them
kingears said:
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Yes, because it's Google's not OEMs' fault that they can't keep up with updates
kingears said:
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own
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A moment of realisation, why the hell am I responding to a troll?
I'm saying that most android users no nothing about Odin or rooting, that's my point, they are completely reliant upon kies or ota updates being pushed out by the carrier once they've finished adding bloat.
Obviously having an opinion that is different to yours makes me a troll lol, what has this site come too :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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Gambolputty said:
Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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And you don't think that this will alienate people from android? If you look in the play store most comments for apps are about the size of them.
As the thread title says, these are my observations after using android for 5 years, I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, but coming in here and personally attacking me is unacceptable.
Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Because a phone with a battery that cannot be removed is unacceptable, to me anyway.
What happens when the battery is knackered? The phone is redundant.
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warfareonly said:
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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As above
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
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I've been rooting android devices for 5 yrs, I am merely trying to make a point from the point of view of a normal user. People who root and put custom roms on their device are in the minority, in the grand scheme of things.
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As above
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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Oh I totally agree I can't have everything, life is a compromise.
I just think Google is risking losing out on a lot of 'regular' customers because of its business model.
I stand corrected on the in-built batteries, but then your left with no device whilst its replaced, or not i don't know how long it takes.
Plus I don't think we have service centres in the UK???
Easier to just go to a shop and get a replacement battery there and then.
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