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HSPA+ Whats the deal?!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.

Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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HSPA+ is run on GSM networks NOT CDMA which is what sprint and Verizon use. Hence the different stuff on each network ex. EVDO, and HSPA

I think at&t also is going to be using hspa+

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you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.
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Yes, but keep in mind that leak is coming from Korea and it's going to be at MWC so it's no surprise that it only mentions a GSM / HSPA+ version. Nothing says that there wont be a CDMA / LTE / Wimax version for Sprint / Verizon.
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HSPA+ is what the GSM carriers are doing for 4G right now. I think ATT is going to do LTE, T-mobile doesn't plan on it...I just switched back to sprint from t-mobile and the speed difference is ridiculous. Even on 4G, I am getting half the data speeds that I did with t-mobile HSDPA. Definitely not what I expected.

When the original Galaxy S was announced, it was GSM only as well but variants came out for all the carriers. I wouldn't buy anything from Samsung though, regardless of how appealing it seems.

*sigh*
HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.

drmacinyasha said:
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HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.
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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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Um, actually most of the world uses GSM, which is why gsm phones are commonly referred to as "world phones"
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No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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Actually, the term pre-dates combo GSM/CDMA devices and was used to refer to GSM phones since GSM networks were the predominate cell technology outside of the US (and still are).
Oh, and to the OP, HSPA+ is being marketed as "4G" currently by AT&T alongside their yet-to-be-launched LTE network. Talk about confusing You may find that with a little bit of effort,( or none at all) HSPA+ equipped devices will bet interchangeable between T-mobile and AT&T. There are also rumours that some LTE-equipped devices will be able to swap between Verizon and AT&T.

Yep..me too. Actually breaking my contract (less than a year in because of Sprints abysmal speed) as soon as Infuse, or Galaxy 2 etc break.

Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow

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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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I lived in Cambodia for five years and travelled between often to Thailand and other countries. They all use GSM...

I'm breaking contract with T-mobile. I had a G1, loved it. Got a Vibrant, it was a nightmare trying to get it to work correctly, although I can't lie, I still enjoyed having it. Got a Nexus S, too many problems, returned it. Got a MT4G, nice phone, runs smoothly, but the screen was too small and the phone itself is a bit on the ugly side.
The real determing factor for me was that Sprint has 4G in my area, all of the other providers have 3G, and T-mobile is still running on Edge. I'm within my 30 day trial period w/ Sprint and the Evo, and I'll see how it goes. I was really hoping on going w/ Verizon and the HTC Thunderbolt, but alas, it's still up-in-the-air when it will come out. Verizon is more expensive as well when it comes to data plans. And as far as the MT4G, although CM7 runs very well on it, and it is very stable, I still can't bring myself to buying a 4G phone from a company that only offers Edge in my area (supposedly the military base near here is using their 3G towers to link to Afghanistan, but that's their problem, not mine)

gessin64 said:
Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow
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Do yourself a favor... don't buy a Samsung device. They make good screens, I'll admit. But you'll be waiting for updates forever, and somebody won't release the code... just look at the Vibrant threads... they haven't even gotten CM6, let alone CM7.

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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You're an idiot. The only places outside of North America that CDMA are used are sporadically in China, a carrier or two in Japan, here and there in the rest of Asia, and that's about it.
"World phones" are AT&T (since they use different frequencies than the rest of the world's GSM networks except for... Telstra in Australia?), Verizon, and Sprint phones which have extra radios that support the standard quad-band networks. That's why there's two models of the Nexus One: A T-Mobile/World model, and the AT&T model.

The future of mobile is going to be in wifi not cellular. Hspa+ is TM's trial run at nailing down seemless transfer from 4G to wifi for data and voice calls. Assuming there are not many stumbling blocks, their future (and any other wireless companies that dont want to be left behind) will be into switching to running purely off wifi towers.

At&t may get SG2 first??? (boo)

http://www.gizmocrunch.com/rumors/6686-att-samsung-galaxy-s2-release-date
Now this all just speculation but that just sucks if its true for us vibrant users! I really want a sg2 and i hope were not last of the 4 carriers to get it.
Att and samsung are having a special invite event
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/05/03/att-and-samsung-mobile-special-event-date-galaxy-s-ii-usa/
ur opinions?

Its probably the samsung infuse. With a 4.5 inch super amoled plus and 1.2 ghz humming bird processor. Its not a dual core, and still has froyo, so nothing to worry about.
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i predict att will announce it's release first, then tmob will undercut their release date by like a week like they did with the first sgs.

that would be so cool if thaT happened! then at least we would have a release date

Actually, I would be happy if the Sg2 was quad band 3g so that I could run ATT or T-mobile 3g. That would make it a better seller.

i just hope tmo doesnt screw the sg2 up like the did the vibrant.

If Tmobile does screw it up, the international version is always available...

technically, at&t customers can already just use the international version of the SGS2 as it is now. so yeah, at&t pretty much has it as is (damn tmo's AWS bands!).

Oniyuri said:
technically, at&t customers can already just use the international version of the SGS2 as it is now. so yeah, at&t pretty much has it as is (damn tmo's AWS bands!).
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Yeah, but T-Mo's AWS bands make our 3G about 7x faster then AT&T. xD
Hell, it's even faster then Sprint's 4G WiMax, and it comes close to Verizon's 4G LTE network (in the few markets where it hits 8-10mbps, and not 15-17 like in others).

SGS II at 1.4GHz available in Sept.

Sammy will release SGS II at 1.4GHz this September to battle against iPhone 5.
http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-to-upgrade-galaxy-s-ii-to-counter-apples-iphone-5?=57923

Looks good but I think it's a little iffy to assume that TMobile will offer the SGSII for sale in the US. Indeed, while I really like the SGSII and the development community which supports the Samsung devices I'm unlikely to purchase a new phone for use on TMobile until I see which way the AT&T merger goes. I suspect other TMobile subscribers feel the same way I do and will be jumping ship if AT&T/TMobile merge...

Hopefully they will include Hercules in this update.
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What pisses me off the most is that I can't even buy the phone from overseas and use it with T-MoFo and get 3G. I was planning to get the SGS-II, and now the upgraded version comes with no hope that T-mobile will get any of them.

طوني تبولة said:
What pisses me off the most is that I can't even buy the phone from overseas and use it with T-MoFo and get 3G. I was planning to get the SGS-II, and now the upgraded version comes with no hope that T-mobile will get any of them.
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Overseas phones are usually unlocked so you can use it with any providers. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mobile.
SGS II specs are impressive but I don't like the physical Home button, looks too much like iPhone that's why they are being sued among other things. I like the way Vibrant buttons are.
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I'm waiting for the Nexus 3
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T-Mobile T989 (Hercules???)
Sammy T989 just passed BT & Wi-Fi certification. This could be T-Mobile version of SGS II.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/06/samsung-t989-receives-bluetooth-wi-fi-approval-is-this-the-samsung-hercules/
Looks like September will be a HOT month!!!
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se7en10 said:
Overseas phones are usually unlocked so you can use it with any providers. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mobile.
SGS II specs are impressive but I don't like the physical Home button, looks too much like iPhone that's why they are being sued among other things. I like the way Vibrant buttons are.
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yeah, they are unlocked, so you can use a tmob sim, but they don't use tmob's hspa/hspa+ bands. so it's akin to using an iphone on tmob: edge only.

ronin4740 said:
Looks good but I think it's a little iffy to assume that TMobile will offer the SGSII for sale in the US. Indeed, while I really like the SGSII and the development community which supports the Samsung devices I'm unlikely to purchase a new phone for use on TMobile until I see which way the AT&T merger goes. I suspect other TMobile subscribers feel the same way I do and will be jumping ship if AT&T/TMobile merge...
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Honestly I'm beginning to think T-Mobile is *determined* to offer substandard versions. Such as the Sensation getting less memory than the EVO 3D.. Why no true "WOW FACTOR" phones, just middle of the road dreck from TMO? Or back in the day when the rest of the world get the HTC Magic and TMO got the Sapphire, a Magic with less memory.... So... I doubt we'll see it on TMO also. But it will be a nice phone for those who can get/use it!

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yeah, they are unlocked, so you can use a tmob sim, but they don't use tmob's hspa/hspa+ bands. so it's akin to using an iphone on tmob: edge only.
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Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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lotherius said:
Honestly I'm beginning to think T-Mobile is *determined* to offer substandard versions. Such as the Sensation getting less memory than the EVO 3D.. Why no true "WOW FACTOR" phones, just middle of the road dreck from TMO? Or back in the day when the rest of the world get the HTC Magic and TMO got the Sapphire, a Magic with less memory.... So... I doubt we'll see it on TMO also. But it will be a nice phone for those who can get/use it!
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Some people on verizon complain that they don't have a dual core device until now, they are suspecting that it may be due to the droid lines that keep the carriers from getting dual core devices.. I'm not even sure if tmobile will get the nexus prime with all the pending buyout going on.. There's no future for tmo anymore i believe.. Im going att when everything finalizes

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Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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Tmobile uses 2100 aws spectrum for 3g which is why international and att phones dont have 3g on tmob. But att uses standard 3g bands same as rest of the world so you can for example buy a unlocked international sgs2 and get 3g on att.
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Wait is this dual core or single core?
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se7en10 said:
Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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that quad band/'world phone' bands are for calls. for data, tmob uses 1700 and 2100 (the reason att wants to buy them). the vibrant also supports the att 1900 3g/hspa+ band hence why it will usually work with att 3g.

se7en10 said:
Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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GSM-Wise: most phones that have been manufactured in the last ~4 years work on all GSM networks (They are Quad band)
but that means they are able to make phone calls and connect @ edge speed.
There is a different set of bands for 3G. Most 3G networks around the world use 2100 MHz. In the Americas, the 1900MHz is the most commonly used except few networks like T-Mobile and a couple of networks in Canada that use the AWS which uses 1700/2100MHz combination.
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.

طوني تبولة said:
There is a different set of bands for 3G. Most 3G networks around the world use 2100 MHz. In the Americas, the 1900MHz is the most commonly used except few networks like T-Mobile and a couple of networks in Canada that use the AWS which uses 1700/2100MHz combination.
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.
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Ok, always thought as a World phone it would have all the bands to work everywhere in the world. Guess not then!

Alex530 said:
Wait is this dual core or single core?
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Dual
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Dual
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Good stuff.
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طوني تبولة said:
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-official-for-canada-on-bell-virgin-mob/

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-official-for-canada-on-bell-virgin-mob/
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Sadly, none of them uses AWS band (1700/2100)
Bell Mobility and its subsidiary (Virgin Mobile), and SaskTel use the 850 and 1900MHz which is supported by the International version of Galaxy S II.
AWS really sucks (click to see the small list of the providers that use this band)

T-Mobile SGSII

hey all, i was wondering if anyone had any information on the SGSII potentially coming to T-Mobile in the US. I read online that we might not get an actual SGSII and the we might get the Hercules and i've also heard that the Hercules will be the T-Mo version of the SGSII. I really would love to get one so i'm just hoping that they come stateside.
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Havent heard of anything for tmobile, just sprint/bell and possibly att lte sgs2.

Juls317 said:
hey all, i was wondering if anyone had any information on the SGSII potentially coming to T-Mobile in the US. I read online that we might not get an actual SGSII and the we might get the Hercules and i've also heard that the Hercules will be the T-Mo version of the SGSII. I really would love to get one so i'm just hoping that they come stateside.
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The Hercules is a variant of the U.S. market Infuse with a dual-core TI SoC. What other features it has haven't been confirmed. It's due out in September. T-Mobile won't be getting a version of the SGS2.
http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/17/exclusive-samsung-hercules-t-mobile-dual-core-infuse-4g/

would it be possible to buy an I9100 and unlock it and use it on tmobile
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would it be possible to buy an I9100 and unlock it and use it on tmobile
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You'd only get EDGE data speeds. Your only hope for a version that works on T-Mobile's bands is if Wind Canada gets one. But the Canadian's on the forum have said it's a Bell Canada exclusive so it's a long shot.

BarryH_GEG said:
You'd only get EDGE data speeds. Your only hope for a version that works on T-Mobile's bands is if Wind Canada gets one. But the Canadian's on the forum have said it's a Bell Canada exclusive so it's a long shot.
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Just got SGS2, it is connected to t-mobile usa, and it does only get EDGE speeds, and no HSPA+.
I can still keep it for trying out stuff for a bit, and would install any custom mods to try. If won't work, I may want to return it.
Is Wind Canada the only one with HSPA+ which is an option here?
There is no way to add only that support on top of a stock android?
The other feature that's needed to make it an excellent offering it T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling.
Any suggestions?

Ok, got an att sim and hspa+ works getting 6mbit downloads wih sgs2 now. Will only have that sim for test for three days. Though att is definitly costlier than tmobile for data and phone plans and they charge for overage rather than throttle.
Still my preference would be to hspa+ on tmobile, get tmobile wifi calling to work etc.
Also noted that tmobile wifi calling wont show as an app that backup software can see.
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arntgur said:
Ok, got an att sim and hspa+ works getting 6mbit downloads wih sgs2 now. Will only have that sim for test for three days. Though att is definitly costlier than tmobile for data and phone plans and they charge for overage rather than throttle.
Still my preference would be to hspa+ on tmobile, get tmobile wifi calling to work etc.
Also noted that tmobile wifi calling wont show as an app that backup software can see.
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I don't see AT&T being quite more expensive unless you really need the unlimited minutes. Otherwise you could get the medianet plan since the S2 isn't detected as a smartphone, which will solve your data problem for overages.

On tmobile i pay $25 for 'unlimited' data which means after 5gb it is throttled. I am on a no contract plan. Price for contract plan is $30 for the same data plan.
If i dont pay for overage its great. Yet them not recognizing it as smartphone may not hold for too long, as us flavors of s2 are being prepared.
While it does last that they dont recognise it as a smartphone, are you also on smallest data plan and pay the minimum?
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On tmobile i pay $25 for 'unlimited' data which means after 5gb it is throttled. I am on a no contract plan. Price for contract plan is $30 for the same data plan.
If i dont pay for overage its great. Yet them not recognizing it as smartphone may not hold for too long, as us flavors of s2 are being prepared.
While it does last that they dont recognise it as a smartphone, are you also on smallest data plan and pay the minimum?
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There is an unlimited non smartphone data plan in att for just $15 and many of us are on that plan.
We do get hspa+ speeds on this plan. Pretty good deal compared to tmobile.
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I just bought an unlocked SGSII http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176292 from Newegg on "sale." It states that it has UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz.
I thought T-mobile used 900 and 2100. Can anyone explain why it doesn't work with T-mobile?
Thanks.

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I just bought an unlocked SGSII http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176292 from Newegg on "sale." It states that it has UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz.
I thought T-mobile used 900 and 2100. Can anyone explain why it doesn't work with T-mobile?
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T-mobile uses 1700 and 2100, not 900 and 2100.

That would explain it.

Rrr, guess i missed the same point about tmobile's bands. There was a list of the 4 freauencies and no distinction of which one is for voice, data etc.
So running a speed test using AnTuTu benchmark clearly shows sgsii is a great pick performance wise as it is dominating the charts. Though that app lack a distinction for original cpu speeds. I may overclock it if i get time as its a fun game, thouhgh not right now.
Data plan wise, on att usa, you are on $15 for non smartphone. The its ar their mercy, and they could identify sgsii as smartphone anytime in which case we'd loose that excellent option, right?
Now got my previous smartphone, mytouch 4g with tmobile on a family plan. And that one would likely not fit on att hspa+ eigher. I can validate it later with my test card from att.
Phone plan wise att family starts at $69 for 700 min for two lines, and they also got 550 min unadvertized for $10 less. This is still $10 above t mobile base for family at $49, yet no big deal if att data is cheaper at $15 with the mentioned 'non smartphone' option.
With att data on hspa+, you vuys easily use the mobile access point without limitations? Have anyone tried vpning and working on that, remote desktop to work machine for a significant time, full working day, etc?
With my att test sim, hspa+ downloads are fine, anywhere from 1.5 to 6 mbits, uploads sometimes were slow around 300
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... uploads were around 300 kbit.
Will test it some more today and tomorrow from more locations in the area.
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arntgur said:
Now got my previous smartphone, mytouch 4g with tmobile on a family plan. And that one would likely not fit on att hspa+ eigher. I can validate it later with my test card from att.
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To save you and everyone else the trouble, as of now:
- There is no AT&T phone that supports HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network
- There is no T-Mobile phone that supports HSPA+ on AT&T's network
- There is no unbranded phone that supports HSPA+ on T-Mobile and AT&T, you have to pick one or the other. The SGS2 does not support, and most likely will never support, T-Mobile's funky AWS bands.
The Hercules is rumored to have AT&T's bands. So was the G2X and it didn't.

Thanks, that clarifies.
To maintain at least HSPA+ speeds, I can either Of two options:
- keep sgsii, move to AT&T, find how to migrate another existing smartphone since my tough 4g won't work with AT&T's data. *Maybe sell it and get another AT&T phone.
- return sgsii and stay on tmobile.
Have talked to AT&T support, and they confirmed that data plans for non smartphones begin at $10. *And that sgsii does not show as anything in their systems now neither a smartphone nor a non-smartphone. *And that it is correct that they can't guarantee anything about not identifying it as a smartphone in future.
So the best chance of the $15 data for non smartphones to last is if we get lucky enough that when they do launch the us AT&T version of sgsii, then the international one will be left out.
I am not exactly clear why the $15 non smartphone plan is needed over the $10 one. *Though, cant test too much with my AT&T temp sim, as they didn't want to change the plan the store gave me due to being on a trial period.
Still got today to try att sim out and can return with no fees, so will call or step by the store and check if that would be possible. *One challenge is that they already saw the phone and got excited, and listed it as a smartphone plan. * ..., we'll see how it goes...
Then I am also reading that AT&T talks about a dual LTE/HSPA+ support, yet that lte may take time to be battery friendly (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162330&page=2). *
So possibly waiting for LTE to mature is not practical, in which case maybe no point in waiting for AT&T us version of sgsii which may only add LTE.
Coming from tmobile hspa+ usage since nov 2010, now when testing AT&T, it is more influenced from during the day traffic and speeds are slower vs faster speeds at less conventional hours. *Also seeing some sporadic speed tests issues coming from another device using the wifi hotspot - usually the upload, sometimes download too is near zero speed. *While most speed tests are decent. *Then have not seen any of that on tmobile.
One issue making me consider moving to AT&T is that tmobiles speeds in my new place are very bad for hspa+ if it at all it gets an*hspa signal. *Used to never need wifi and get consistent 4-6 mbits downloads ..., now getting even 1 from tmobile is a challenge.
Then, would like fast Internet when traveling overseas. *And tmobiles phone worked well last time with fast speeds. * Then I have seen some mentioning that tmobiles bands could be better for world traveling than AT&T, is that so?
(For instance*http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=4d1bbd0f46632e8d&hl=en has:
I can only say I use T-Mobile version and it IS working. I don't have AT&T one, can say nothing about it. Reason I have in mind while selecting model - in the most of the world T-Mobile version will have better coverage.
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arntgur said:
Thanks, that clarifies.
To maintain at least HSPA+ speeds, I can either Of two options:
- keep sgsii, move to AT&T, find how to migrate another existing smartphone since my tough 4g won't work with AT&T's data. *Maybe sell it and get another AT&T phone.
- return sgsii and stay on tmobile.
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- The $10 plan requires an unlimited messaging plan. The $15 plan is a stand-alone.
- The carrier versions of the SGS2 will have different model numbers and a different series of IMEI codes so I doubt that would effect the international SGS2 in AT&T's database.
- Our SGS2 won't support LTE. But it's going to take AT&T at least a year and a half to get any meaningful LTE penetration.
- I came from T-Mobile. AT&T's HSPA+ clocks a lot slower than T-Mobile's and isn't as widely available. For some reason though, things like video buffer less for me even though the speeds clock slower.
- AT&T is far better for international travel. They have roaming data plans you can pre-purchase that are less than 1/4 of what T-Mobile charges. Also, because the SGS2 is unlocked, you can pick up a SIM locally if you want to.

I'm surprised T-Mo isn't getting the GSII, they're usually good with Android.Well, this sucks...

jasonleb1 said:
I'm surprised T-Mo isn't getting the GSII, they're usually good with Android.Well, this sucks...
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No offense, but they're also the smallest carrier and are in the process of going away. I'm guessing they're getting an Infuse variant instead because Samsung's got the production capacity and probably cut them a deal.

UK 4G LTE Thread

So what does everyone think about this phone not getting 4G in the UK, yet the S3 will?

RambJoe said:
So what does everyone think about this phone not getting 4G in the UK, yes the S3 will?
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not happy if that is the case! what is this based on?

After checking with Three today while ordering new phone, they confirmed that the phone is 4g enabled and will work when the network is ready. At the moment the network has been upgraded to HSPDA+ and the phone can make use of that...
Hope this is all true and not a sales ploy...

MadfishGTB said:
After checking with Three today while ordering new phone, they confirmed that the phone is 4g enabled and will work when the network is ready. At the moment the network has been upgraded to HSPDA+ and the phone can make use of that...
Hope this is all true and not a sales ploy...
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Boy! I'm gonna ask them to send me that in writing. If true that would be great! I'm with three

MadfishGTB said:
After checking with Three today while ordering new phone, they confirmed that the phone is 4g enabled and will work when the network is ready. At the moment the network has been upgraded to HSPDA+ and the phone can make use of that...
Hope this is all true and not a sales ploy...
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Trouble is, what frequencies will be enabled? 800, 1800 etc, etc? Will we be forced to have multiple versions of the phone which are carrier dependent like in the States?

It makes no difference to me as in the uk 4G will only be available in limited areas for a year or two and by then itll be time for the note 3. 4G would be of no use to me at all where I live in the uk.
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I want to buy the note 2, but all these 4g frequencies fuss and no 100% confirmation from the carrier i use T-Mobile is holding me back.
As far as i know t-mobile will use a different frequency (ee) that note 2 does not support but again am not 100% sure.
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I had a conversation at the 3 store trafford centre one of the staff advised that 3 wasn't updating to 4g but would boost their internet to 46mb ....
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MadfishGTB said:
After checking with Three today while ordering new phone, they confirmed that the phone is 4g enabled and will work when the network is ready. At the moment the network has been upgraded to HSPDA+ and the phone can make use of that...
Hope this is all true and not a sales ploy...
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How can people who have the phones check?

Not sure, would like to know so I can check on Thursday...
TBH, even if it doesn't have 4g I don't think i'll be too bothered as I've never thought download speeds were an issue... HD vids on youtube always downloaded without issue for example...
Faster is always better though so will be nice to have that extra bandwidth

Originally Posted by MadfishGTB
After checking with Three today while ordering new phone, they confirmed that the phone is 4g enabled and will work when the network is ready. At the moment the network has been upgraded to HSPDA+ and the phone can make use of that...
Hope this is all true and not a sales ploy...
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I got the same reply when talking online to Three CS earlier tonight.

Has anyone got their's from 3 yet?
I think I might go for it tomorrow, for the £34 one.
Do 3 let you upgrade to the One Plan mid contract though, in case I decide I want tethering? lol
That would be amazing if it was 4G, or maybe if I can get a seller to tell me it does.

The Galaxy Note II (N7100) definitely does NOT handle 4G. The good news is that it does handle HSDPA+ which is in "real world" tests gives 4G a good run for its money without the price premium. EE are expected to charge around £15 a month on top of their existing 3G tariffs per month for their 4G with data caps.
Late last night, Ofcom, EE, Vodafone and O2 agreed a faster rollout of 4G in the UK with EE4G starting in the next few weeks in some cities. Vodafone and O2 will bid for new frequencies early next year and hope to be up and running by Spring 2013. EE will therefore have a lead of around 20 weeks but are expected to insist on a minimum term contract of 12 months.
I am staying with HSDPA on 3 and will see what competition does to prices next year and what real world performance and coverage is like. Others can risk their money being Guinea Pigs!
EE will be offering the 4G version of the Note II (N7105) for customers prepared to pay for an extended contract. It will be available from EE from October 15th.
I have just ordered the N7100!
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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/47806/samsung-galaxy-note-2-lte-ee-uk-4g
15th October

RambJoe said:
Has anyone got their's from 3 yet?
I think I might go for it tomorrow, for the £34 one.
Do 3 let you upgrade to the One Plan mid contract though, in case I decide I want tethering? lol
That would be amazing if it was 4G, or maybe if I can get a seller to tell me it does.
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U can tether on all u can eat data ...
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mancuk29 said:
U can tether on all u can eat data ...
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Whilst this is possible it is specifically NOT permitted under their terms and conditions.
Three only permit tethering on their mobile data packages intended for laptops and myfi devices. If you try to use an "all you can eat" phone sim in a myfi device from Three, it does not work. Despite this, it is possible to tether a phone even though it is not officially allowed.
Needless to say, the data SIM route is more expensive than the "all you can eat" packages intended for unfettered phones.
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htc6500uk said:
The Galaxy Note II (N7100) definitely does NOT handle 4G. The good news is that it does handle HSDPA+ which is in "real world" tests gives 4G a good run for its money without the price premium. EE are expected to charge around £15 a month on top of their existing 3G tariffs per month for their 4G with data caps.
Late last night, Ofcom, EE, Vodafone and O2 agreed a faster rollout of 4G in the UK with EE4G starting in the next few weeks in some cities. Vodafone and O2 will bid for new frequencies early next year and hope to be up and running by Spring 2013. EE will therefore have a lead of around 20 weeks but are expected to insist on a minimum term contract of 12 months.
I am staying with HSDPA on 3 and will see what competition does to prices next year and what real world performance and coverage is like. Others can risk their money being Guinea Pigs!
EE will be offering the 4G version of the Note II (N7105) for customers prepared to pay for an extended contract. It will be available from EE from October 15th.
I have just ordered the N7100!
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Are you sure about this?
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php
On there the N7100 supports 4G!
Arghhh this is so confusing. I'm currently finished my contract with Orange and just on a roll-on contract with them. And want to use their upgraded EE's 4G and 3G signal.
Are you sure N7100 doesn't have 4G embedded? The GSM website differs..

Can everyone on 3 network just give me am idea of the download speed you get with your phones on HSPDA (or + if you get it) ?
I'm on t mobile ATM but thinking of jumping ship...

b4d5h0t said:
It makes no difference to me as in the uk 4G will only be available in limited areas for a year or two and by then itll be time for the note 3. 4G would be of no use to me at all where I live in the uk.
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Have to agree with this.
Where I live and work these days, I won't see 4G LTE for at least a couple of years, so the lack of LTE in the Note II makes no difference to me.
Coupled with the fact that I'd rather have truly unlimited 3G from Three, as opposed to what is likely to be a tiered data plan on 4G from EE, LTE just isn't a required feature for me at present. Given the current data plans from Orange and TMo, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the data limits for EE's LTE were quite low and expensive - even a 5GB data plan won't last long at LTE speeds if you're really going to use LTE as it is intended.
Also, EE's LTE at 1800MHz isn't going to have great indoor penetration when compared to the LTE at 800MHz that we will see once the spectrum is auctioned off next year, so I'd rather wait for something better.
Ordered my Note II from Three yesterday, as my contract was coming to an end. I fully expect to replace it this time next year, despite the fact I will have to pay full price as I'll only be a year into the contract, so it's not as if I will be 'stuck' for two years anyway!
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Dave
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Doesn't this mean it won't support 4G?
http://www.samsung.com/uk/news/localnews/2012/uk-availability-of-samsung-galaxy-note-ii-announced
Specifically:
Network
3G: HSPA+ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)