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so I purchased the transformer after rave reviews online. Unfortunately I'm finding an incredibly sluggish experience akin to my nexus 1 on stock 2.1. I'm at 3.1 and the latest firmware and the thing is almost unusable even after a fresh reboot. The launcher is sluggish and all tasks are jerky and delayed. Anyone have any tips to optimizing. The performance? I thought about an although launcher but that seems. Like it SHOULD be unnecessary on hardware like this....
My nexus on cm7 with go launcher is smooth as butter... any ideas? Any known issues?
So on a stock rom it feels like... a stock rom? Give it time. As honeycomb matures and more custom roms with optimizations come out it will definitely get better. The one complaint I have right now is choppy flash video which apparently does not affect other devices (even with equal hardware).
Basically, Asus needs to implement some fixes (like Flash) then get the source code into the hands of devs around here and we will be sorted. Honestly though, it's really not bad as it is. I'm loving it!
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Any known issues?
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Yes there are several if you read here and elsewhere, but nothing like you're describing AFAIK.
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so I purchased the transformer after rave reviews online. Unfortunately I'm finding an incredibly sluggish experience akin to my nexus 1 on stock 2.1. I'm at 3.1 and the latest firmware and the thing is almost unusable even after a fresh reboot. The launcher is sluggish and all tasks are jerky and delayed. Anyone have any tips to optimizing. The performance? I thought about an although launcher but that seems. Like it SHOULD be unnecessary on hardware like this....
My nexus on cm7 with go launcher is smooth as butter... any ideas? Any known issues?
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To me the default launcher on Asus is very sluggish even when 3.1 came out. I recommend get ADW Launcher Pro. Been using it from day one. Its also sluggish with the Samsung 10.1
I got mine yesterday, TBH I'm also little disappointed with the overall performance given its’ hardware spec. But its NOT extremely laggy a you describe. Early builds of most Android ROMs are like this. I experienced similar issues with my Galaxy S when I first got it, but with time things improved a lot. So I am anxiously waiting for Asus to come up with better ROMs (fixing Flash performance and overall laggyness of the browser and launcher).
@OP, there are plenty of youtube videos showing general performance; go through them and see if you experience anything out of the ordinary.
I haven't noticed the sluggishness myself. There have been a couple hiccups during periods of high load, thats about it.
I did turn Animations to "Some" though...
No slugishness for me. Even before 3.1 I didn't notice any. The animations could be set to be faster sometimes but thats about it. No jerkiness for sure.
++ there's something wrong with your Transformer.
I wouldn't describe the launcher as 'super smooth' but it's not 'almost unusable' by any stretch.
I have an HTC Incredible (almost identical hardware to the Nexus One) running CyanogenMod 7.03 (Android 2.3) and the Transformer is faster without a doubt.
The first thing you should try is a factory reset.
Is the interface and browser smooth like the ipad? I ask because i tried out a couple of stock android tabs like the sony s and xoom at a store and their scrolling and zooming was quite laggy compared to the ipad, same goes for the browser.
The whole issue about the unsmooth scrolling is much better on 3.2 ROMs, like for example Task650 GalaxyTask ROM.
It isn't entirely gone, but I hope this will come with Ice Cream Sandwich/Android 4.0.
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And to answer your questions: Yes, apart from occasional stuttering, it is as smooth as the iPad. Custom ROM/TouchScreenTune App do the trick for me.
Most of the apps in the system support H.W acceleration (browser , etc ) but the UI itself doesn't support it (it will come in ICS ) like the main launcher and the rotation and translations in the system that is why it shutters allot when using live wallpapers that is because the load is n the processor it self not on the gpu but ICS should fix all this issues, as i noticed even alpha builds are smoother than honeycomb
Android will always have more "stuttering" than the ipad. It's pretty simple to imagine why: on an ipad, all there is is a bunch of little standard sized icons. They don't display information, they don't change, they don't move or supply anything more than a link to open your app. They're just little cached images and so the whole interface moves smoothly because there's nothing to see, no work for the processor. Also, the screen is low resolution (1024x768), so there's less pixels to move around.
Android on the other hand has widgets that change and display information. They are not standardized and are often resizable. The whole interface is far more complex than the ipad. And the screen is higher resolution (1200x800) so there's more pixels.
So, sure, if "smooth scrolling of the homescreen" is your top priority, I'd say go with an ipad. It will always be simple and smooth. Emphasis on the simple.
If, on the other hand, you want customizability and information without having to open your apps, and a little jerkiness in the homescreen is OK with you, get an android tab.
Last bit: android allows you to install a different launcher (that's part of what I mean by "customizability"). ADW EX is very smooth...
Many of the roms on this forum can give you HW acceleration.
All i want is a silky smooth browser like the ipad/iphone. Tried android 2.2, 2.3,3.0,3,1,3.2, sense 3.0, sense 3.5, wp7, wp 7.5 NONE I REPEAT NONE can come close to the consistent smoothness of the safari browser. Is there a browser in the android market that can come close, cause i tried opera and its still not as smooth. Hope ICS will make it so.
Safari for ipad /iphone doesn't have flash so for sure it will be smoother , try opera mini it doesn't have flash so it shuld be faster
I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
I'm also verry happy with the Launcher in Overcome
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All i want is a silky smooth browser like the ipad/iphone. Tried android 2.2, 2.3,3.0,3,1,3.2, sense 3.0, sense 3.5, wp7, wp 7.5 NONE I REPEAT NONE can come close to the consistent smoothness of the safari browser. Is there a browser in the android market that can come close, cause i tried opera and its still not as smooth. Hope ICS will make it so.
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I use dolphin HD with flash loading on demand. It is the best browser I've used on any device so far.
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otaku1984 said:
I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
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My experience is exactly the opposite. Touchwiz is so smooth and fluid in ways that regular honeycomb can't touch. The typind lag in the browser in stock honeycomb was enough to ruin the whole experience.
The only overcome rom I see is a touchwiz rom, where is this aosp overcome rom? I'll check it out on the off chance it is better than stock android.
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I've found that hardware acceleration is much smoother without TW. I'm running AOSP 3.2.2 (Overcome ROM) and have not noticed any lag and even noticed scrolling in say, Music, to not jump at all. Smoother than the iPad for sure.
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Where did you get Overcome AOSP ROM and that too 3.2.2
It is still TW. Right?
Will it be smooth like the ipad, when ics comes? Ive tried the overcome rom and there is still a bit a jerkiness/lagginess when using the screen capture function, exiting in and out, flipping through pages etc.
No. Get an ipad if smooth scrolling homescreens are the most important feature on a tablet for you.
3.2 will give you that smoothness. i use adw launcher ex and it pretty much fixed any lag. also recommend using spareparts+ to speed up opening window.
doesnt hurt to oc either
if you're not going to contribute then you can just keep ur post to yourself slack04
Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.
Yes, ICS will bring hardware acceleration to the entire experience, should be a transformation.
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Answering the op question what lag? Sure if you have a slow device running top of the range os you will get lag
But since 3.2 I haven't seen any lag
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I think lag can be caused by many issues. For one, widgets with heavy graphics and constant refreshes can use up a lot of resources. There are also poorly made apps running in the background that may slow things down. I would just keep the homescreen as simple as possible if performance is a concern.
If ICS runs as smooth as it does on the Galaxy Nexus, yes, it will.
We will see it as soon as the first "complete" ROMs pop up, everything else is complete speculation.
3.2 made the tab a lot better, but still not completely lagfree in my opionion. Its response time varies from perfect (browser) to mediocre (app switcher - at least until its open).
Are you running on stock rom? I am running Task650 & Phantoms "In Paris" V5 OC'd to 1.4Gz with ADW launcher and it is pretty darn smooth even on Honeycomb 3.1. It will only get better with the 3.2 update coming in the near future. Check it out if you haven't already done so!
hardware acceleration in ICS improve performence allot , see alpha builds on the single core original galaxy tab 7 and HTC hd2 on youtube and you will see the big improvement in speed even with live wallpapers
Though it is true that ICS will have hardware acceleration, android will always lag at some point, seeing as it is an OS capable of being installed on a wide range of devices, and it can not be fully optimized for 1 device to make it lag-free.
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Though it is true that ICS will have hardware acceleration, android will always lag at some point, seeing as it is an OS capable of being installed on a wide range of devices, and it can not be fully optimized for 1 device to make it lag-free.
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this is not 100% true , the kernel function is to make the hardware make use of the options in the software ,so that is why each device has its own kernel , thus with good kernel each device can benifit from the hardware acceleration on its way , so existance of (hardware acceleration ) with supported kernel should eliminate lag
Im using the overcome rom, isnt that the best if i want the smoothest experience possible?
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this is not 100% true , the kernel function is to make the hardware make use of the options in the software ,so that is why each device has its own kernel , thus with good kernel each device can benifit from the hardware acceleration on its way , so existance of (hardware acceleration ) with supported kernel should eliminate lag
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But many companies don't bother with a good kernel. They pretty much use "Does it boot? Get it out the door" as a mantra.
The reason iOS is so smooth is because Apple tests devices for months and months to make sure the user experience is great. They put user experience over anything else, even features. I still get terrible lag on 3.2 while using my GT8.9. But hopefully ICS will fix that. But I won't bet money that all the lag will be gone. There's just not much optimization there, and throwing more cores at the software isn't going to fix that.
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Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.
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Same here, because of your ROM! OP, get on Task's ROM. And have a funeral for your tablet lag.
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Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.
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^^What he said...
Running GalaxyTask6.3 rom oc'd to 1.4ghz using adw ex launcher with boosted ics theme and it is SMOOTH as any apple device on the planet!
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Im using the overcome rom, isnt that the best if i want the smoothest experience possible?
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Nope task650 v6.3 is the way to go
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3.2 was a nice upgrade in speed but after using ICS on my galaxy nexus I really can't wait for it to come to the tab 10.1 in one form or another.
The Galaxy Nexus does feel much smoother. Not sure if it's the hardware acceleration or just tighter code, but I'm eager to get ICS on my tab.
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i'm getting lag when flipping page's & application's as well .
swiping between homescreens with a decent amount of widget and you wil notice a bit of lag, also using the tab in portrait mode is also laggy(sad to see it still havent been fix). The ics roms are still in alpha i believe? Do you guys think it will be smoother when everything is final?
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swiping between homescreens with a decent amount of widget and you wil notice a bit of lag, also using the tab in portrait mode is also laggy(sad to see it still havent been fix). The ics roms are still in alpha i believe? Do you guys think it will be smoother when everything is final?
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i hate to say it but its most likely a hardware issue... the Tegra-II (2) is a very crappy processor (depending on who you talk to i guess) they [samsung/nvidia] didnt really think this through when they created this tablet... MHO...
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I don't use many widgets but I have absolutely no lag. So try reflashing. but even still once its finished it will be even faster.
and I think its technically in beta now.
the portrait mode in CM9 is still not there yet though. but I never use portrait mode so it doesn't bother me.
are you overclocking at all?
TBH I'm not sure why you felt that complaining deserved creating a new thread.
Mine is butter smooth in portrait or landscape... using ICS.
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i hate to say it but its most likely a hardware issue... the Tegra-II (2) is a very crappy processor (depending on who you talk to i guess) they [samsung/nvidia] didnt really think this through when they created this tablet... MHO...
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I don't know, you can use adw and there's one lag whatsoever.
maybe try closing any background apps that are running. They could take up RAM and slow down the tab
I have ICS with NO widgets and flashed 3x and still have some lag, not a lot but no butter smoothness as some of you claim.
And I refuse to use ADW because it makes it feel like an oversized phone, and this is a real Tablet
It's pretty smooth for me, even with a couple of widgets on the main screen.
You don't need to be worried about it, if anything look for the Xoom ICS videos. That is a finished update for a very similar hardware tablet. It's a lot better than the current incarnation of ICS to the Galaxy Tab.
Not to mention that ICS is still pretty alpha, if not just experimental.
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swiping between homescreens with a decent amount of widget and you wil notice a bit of lag, also using the tab in portrait mode is also laggy(sad to see it still havent been fix). The ics roms are still in alpha i believe? Do you guys think it will be smoother when everything is final?
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Hmm likely a reflash is needed. i have ADW using 3 screens with 9 widgets and 32 apps and no lag
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Never had lag on my tablet with any kang rom in either portrait or landscape.It's the smoothest I've ever seen.
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swiping between homescreens with a decent amount of widget and you wil notice a bit of lag, also using the tab in portrait mode is also laggy(sad to see it still havent been fix). The ics roms are still in alpha i believe? Do you guys think it will be smoother when everything is final?
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TBH this is as smooth as ics gets. android as a whole is not known for butterly dripping smooth, android is a full blown os for mobile phone / tablet with unspeakable power. the power to one day rival laptops not to rival butter for smoothness! if all you want is butter smooth transition moving from screen to screen, wait for a windows phone os tablet or get an ipad.
Tegra2 libs/drivers are outdated. Once source is released then I believe there will be a significant improvement. Head over to the cyanogen webpage, where cyanogen basically says what I stated above.
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Disable wallpaper scrolling. It definitely solves the lag problem on homescreen. Use trebuchet, apex etc. But only on landscape mod not on portrait. It's a Tegra 2 issue. Every device that comes with Tegra 2 have it.
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Disable wallpaper scrolling. It definitely solves the lag problem on homescreen. Use trebuchet, apex etc. But only on landscape mod not on portrait. It's a Tegra 2 issue. Every device that comes with Tegra 2 have it.
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But, even the galaxy tab 7.7 with it's 1.4ghz exynos cpu was very laggy on honeycomb when watching it on you tube, the smoothness difference between that and the galaxy tab 10.1 was very little. So it's more of a android tablet ui problem rather than a tegra problem, I believe. The tegra 2 isn't that bad; when overclocked to 1.2-1.4ghz to keep it up to date with other tabs.
I have never experienced much lag at all on my Tab.. Have tried both ICS versions and they both flat out fly! Task's ROM 14 Slim which is TW 3.2 based is screaming fast as well...
I think some people may have a poorly written app(s) running in the background that's zapping memory..
portrait lag is never going to be fixed unless a dev here fixes it for them.
the xoom has official ics and its still laggy in portrait and in other places....so counting on the devs here for something
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But, even the galaxy tab 7.7 with it's 1.4ghz exynos cpu was very laggy on honeycomb when watching it on you tube, the smoothness difference between that and the galaxy tab 10.1 was very little. So it's more of a android tablet ui problem rather than a tegra problem, I believe. The tegra 2 isn't that bad; when overclocked to 1.2-1.4ghz to keep it up to date with other tabs.
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The UI problem I'm talking about occurs only on portrait mode. It's buttery smooth on landscape but lags on portrait doesn't matter whatever you do. That's the Tegra 2 problem.
Some have pretty low standards for defining lag. Lag for me is anything below 30 frames per second. 60 is optimal, 30 is minimum.
With that said, my gtab gets really laggy when LWP is activated (which isn't the case for the SGS2) despite running on task rom + pershoot [email protected] 1.4ghz.
..and yes I'm running ADW launcher.
I hope that ICS will fix this but im not expecting too much given that Tegra 2 is a POS processor that could hardly run anything properly.
Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
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Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
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Honeycomb not gingerbread
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Enough this kind of threads , every day allot of threads starts to ask same question ,
please use search function or just read the first page of the thread, you will find allot of threads about ICS
Although this thread is unneeded, it does baffle me that there has been no word on an official release.
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Enough this kind of threads , every day allot of threads starts to ask same question ,
please use search function or just read the first page of the thread, you will find allot of threads about ICS
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trust me this is not the worst...people are really getting annoyed and there isn't ics yet
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Although this thread is unneeded, it does baffle me that there has been no word on an official release.
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ikr...where are the leaks?
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Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
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The difference between HC (which is what you meant) and ICS isn't as earth shattering as people expect it to be. ICS for phones and tablets was built on the 3.0 source. HC has had h/w acceleration (which is the biggest benefit to 2.X users) since it was launched. The UI's been cleaned up and there's some additional features but that's about it. The Prime was launched with HC and upgraded to ICS and most of the discussion was on what was hosed not any dramatic improvements. Now for people moving from 2.3 to 4.0 (ICS) than yes, there's are big and noticeable improvements.
3.2 is certainly usable for me and I don't find it particularly frustrating. The Teg2 chip has limitations and Android itself can be frustrating but ICS isn't going to change that.
ICS makes your whole experience on this tablet a lot better. Maybe because the Prime is quad-core and differences may not be noticeable?
ICS on the tab makes a world of difference. So much so that im willing to forfeit the cameras.
I messaged them yesterday outta boredom and the answer was as expected ...
Ronny Cain > Samsung Canada - What's going on with the status for ice cream sandwitch for tablets and other devices ?
Samsung Canada - Ronny, we don't currently have a hard date we can share with you for the Ice Cream Sandwich update, but we know it's not too far off. Thanks for your patience.
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I messaged them yesterday outta boredom and the answer was as expected ...
Ronny Cain > Samsung Canada - What's going on with the status for ice cream sandwitch for tablets and other devices ?
Samsung Canada - Ronny, we don't currently have a hard date we can share with you for the Ice Cream Sandwich update, but we know it's not too far off. Thanks for your patience.
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You should have said this is the year the Earth ends, so you would at least like to see what it was like before that happened
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Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
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yes, with Gingerbread this tablet is near unusable . try HC for a change...
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Enough this kind of threads , every day allot of threads starts to ask same question
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Agreed. A dead forum is much better!
this forum never dies though ._.
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ICS makes your whole experience on this tablet a lot better. Maybe because the Prime is quad-core and differences may not be noticeable?
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I have an HP touchpad running CM9 ICS, a 16gb Gtab10.1 running CM9 ICS, and a 32gb Gtab 10.1 running the latest HC 3.2 (Overcome ROM), and honestly, I haven't noticed much difference in the "whole experience" between the ICS and HC. Maybe I'll run some more benchmarks, but I know the quadrant scores on the two were about the same. Though I guess I should try streaming HD video to the Gtab, and see if that's better on ICS.
Maybe samsung will add their own "spin" on ICS when they build it, but compared to the generic form of ICS, I'd bet that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between HC and ICS.
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I have an HP touchpad running CM9 ICS, a 16gb Gtab10.1 running CM9 ICS, and a 32gb Gtab 10.1 running the latest HC 3.2 (Overcome ROM), and honestly, I haven't noticed much difference in the "whole experience" between the ICS and HC. Maybe I'll run some more benchmarks, but I know the quadrant scores on the two were about the same. Though I guess I should try streaming HD video to the Gtab, and see if that's better on ICS.
Maybe samsung will add their own "spin" on ICS when they build it, but compared to the generic form of ICS, I'd bet that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between HC and ICS.
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Yeah you shouldn't rely on quadrant scores man.
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I haven't noticed much difference in the "whole experience" between the ICS and HC.
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Dianne Hackborn is a Google engineer and periodically writes about various features/issues with the OS. Here's an excerpt from one of her blogs...
"Full" hardware accelerated drawing within a window was added in Android 3.0. The implementation in Android 4.0 is not any more full than in 3.0. Starting with 3.0, if you set the flag in your app saying that hardware accelerated drawing is allowed, then all drawing to the application’s windows will be done with the GPU. The main change in this regard in Android 4.0 is that now apps that are explicitly targeting 4.0 or higher will have acceleration enabled by default rather than having to put android:handwareAccelerated="true" in their manifest. (And the reason this isn’t just turned on for all existing applications is that some types of drawing operations can’t be supported well in hardware and it also impacts the behavior when an application asks to have a part of its UI updated. Forcing hardware accelerated drawing upon existing apps will break a significant number of them, from subtly to significantly.)
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Other than tweaks, enhancements, and some new features there's little difference between ICS and 3.X. Reports of ICS greatly improving performance are exaggerated. Phones are different because 2.X didn't fully support h/w acceleration so their gains are far more significant.
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while quadrant may not be perfect, it's a tool one can use to gauge relative performance out of a device. The reason I ran the quadrant test in the first place, was because I didn't perceive a noticeable performance increase on ICS on the GTab (and quadrant seems to back this up).
So these people claiming that the user experience is so much better on ICS are either coming from gingerbread, or (probably) have a bad installation of Honeycomb (or maybe they have a lot of bloatware?).
as Barry H explained, the two OS's aren't as different as people think. That said, I do like ICS a little bit better, as there are a few (minor) differences in the UI.
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while quadrant may not be perfect, it's a tool one can use to gauge relative performance out of a device. The reason I ran the quadrant test in the first place, was because I didn't perceive a noticeable performance increase on ICS on the GTab (and quadrant seems to back this up).
So these people claiming that the user experience is so much better on ICS are either coming from gingerbread, or (probably) have a bad installation of Honeycomb (or maybe they have a lot of bloatware?).
as Barry H explained, the two OS's aren't as different as people think. That said, I do like ICS a little bit better, as there are a few (minor) differences in the UI.
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BarryH just reads a lot. Dianne Hackborn "explains." Comparing stock HC with a lean AOSP ICS ROM isn't really fair; of course there will be peformance differences. Comparing a tweaked 3.2 ROM with ICS would be a better example.