Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
jaewon223 said:
Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
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Honeycomb not gingerbread
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Enough this kind of threads , every day allot of threads starts to ask same question ,
please use search function or just read the first page of the thread, you will find allot of threads about ICS
Although this thread is unneeded, it does baffle me that there has been no word on an official release.
hoss_n2 said:
Enough this kind of threads , every day allot of threads starts to ask same question ,
please use search function or just read the first page of the thread, you will find allot of threads about ICS
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trust me this is not the worst...people are really getting annoyed and there isn't ics yet
Towle said:
Although this thread is unneeded, it does baffle me that there has been no word on an official release.
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ikr...where are the leaks?
jaewon223 said:
Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
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The difference between HC (which is what you meant) and ICS isn't as earth shattering as people expect it to be. ICS for phones and tablets was built on the 3.0 source. HC has had h/w acceleration (which is the biggest benefit to 2.X users) since it was launched. The UI's been cleaned up and there's some additional features but that's about it. The Prime was launched with HC and upgraded to ICS and most of the discussion was on what was hosed not any dramatic improvements. Now for people moving from 2.3 to 4.0 (ICS) than yes, there's are big and noticeable improvements.
3.2 is certainly usable for me and I don't find it particularly frustrating. The Teg2 chip has limitations and Android itself can be frustrating but ICS isn't going to change that.
ICS makes your whole experience on this tablet a lot better. Maybe because the Prime is quad-core and differences may not be noticeable?
ICS on the tab makes a world of difference. So much so that im willing to forfeit the cameras.
I messaged them yesterday outta boredom and the answer was as expected ...
Ronny Cain > Samsung Canada - What's going on with the status for ice cream sandwitch for tablets and other devices ?
Samsung Canada - Ronny, we don't currently have a hard date we can share with you for the Ice Cream Sandwich update, but we know it's not too far off. Thanks for your patience.
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I messaged them yesterday outta boredom and the answer was as expected ...
Ronny Cain > Samsung Canada - What's going on with the status for ice cream sandwitch for tablets and other devices ?
Samsung Canada - Ronny, we don't currently have a hard date we can share with you for the Ice Cream Sandwich update, but we know it's not too far off. Thanks for your patience.
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You should have said this is the year the Earth ends, so you would at least like to see what it was like before that happened
jaewon223 said:
Is there an official release on a Samsung ICS update or are we dependent on outside sources for ICS on the tablet. This tablet is near unusable with Gingerbread and an extremely frustrating experience.
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yes, with Gingerbread this tablet is near unusable . try HC for a change...
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Enough this kind of threads , every day allot of threads starts to ask same question
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Agreed. A dead forum is much better!
this forum never dies though ._.
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ICS makes your whole experience on this tablet a lot better. Maybe because the Prime is quad-core and differences may not be noticeable?
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I have an HP touchpad running CM9 ICS, a 16gb Gtab10.1 running CM9 ICS, and a 32gb Gtab 10.1 running the latest HC 3.2 (Overcome ROM), and honestly, I haven't noticed much difference in the "whole experience" between the ICS and HC. Maybe I'll run some more benchmarks, but I know the quadrant scores on the two were about the same. Though I guess I should try streaming HD video to the Gtab, and see if that's better on ICS.
Maybe samsung will add their own "spin" on ICS when they build it, but compared to the generic form of ICS, I'd bet that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between HC and ICS.
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I have an HP touchpad running CM9 ICS, a 16gb Gtab10.1 running CM9 ICS, and a 32gb Gtab 10.1 running the latest HC 3.2 (Overcome ROM), and honestly, I haven't noticed much difference in the "whole experience" between the ICS and HC. Maybe I'll run some more benchmarks, but I know the quadrant scores on the two were about the same. Though I guess I should try streaming HD video to the Gtab, and see if that's better on ICS.
Maybe samsung will add their own "spin" on ICS when they build it, but compared to the generic form of ICS, I'd bet that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between HC and ICS.
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Yeah you shouldn't rely on quadrant scores man.
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I haven't noticed much difference in the "whole experience" between the ICS and HC.
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Dianne Hackborn is a Google engineer and periodically writes about various features/issues with the OS. Here's an excerpt from one of her blogs...
"Full" hardware accelerated drawing within a window was added in Android 3.0. The implementation in Android 4.0 is not any more full than in 3.0. Starting with 3.0, if you set the flag in your app saying that hardware accelerated drawing is allowed, then all drawing to the application’s windows will be done with the GPU. The main change in this regard in Android 4.0 is that now apps that are explicitly targeting 4.0 or higher will have acceleration enabled by default rather than having to put android:handwareAccelerated="true" in their manifest. (And the reason this isn’t just turned on for all existing applications is that some types of drawing operations can’t be supported well in hardware and it also impacts the behavior when an application asks to have a part of its UI updated. Forcing hardware accelerated drawing upon existing apps will break a significant number of them, from subtly to significantly.)
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Other than tweaks, enhancements, and some new features there's little difference between ICS and 3.X. Reports of ICS greatly improving performance are exaggerated. Phones are different because 2.X didn't fully support h/w acceleration so their gains are far more significant.
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while quadrant may not be perfect, it's a tool one can use to gauge relative performance out of a device. The reason I ran the quadrant test in the first place, was because I didn't perceive a noticeable performance increase on ICS on the GTab (and quadrant seems to back this up).
So these people claiming that the user experience is so much better on ICS are either coming from gingerbread, or (probably) have a bad installation of Honeycomb (or maybe they have a lot of bloatware?).
as Barry H explained, the two OS's aren't as different as people think. That said, I do like ICS a little bit better, as there are a few (minor) differences in the UI.
mike-y said:
while quadrant may not be perfect, it's a tool one can use to gauge relative performance out of a device. The reason I ran the quadrant test in the first place, was because I didn't perceive a noticeable performance increase on ICS on the GTab (and quadrant seems to back this up).
So these people claiming that the user experience is so much better on ICS are either coming from gingerbread, or (probably) have a bad installation of Honeycomb (or maybe they have a lot of bloatware?).
as Barry H explained, the two OS's aren't as different as people think. That said, I do like ICS a little bit better, as there are a few (minor) differences in the UI.
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BarryH just reads a lot. Dianne Hackborn "explains." Comparing stock HC with a lean AOSP ICS ROM isn't really fair; of course there will be peformance differences. Comparing a tweaked 3.2 ROM with ICS would be a better example.
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is there any etas or a estamet on the ics update from actual cymod or samsung
CM 9 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=galaxy+tab+10.1+ics
Samsung http://lmgtfy.com/?q=galaxy+tab+10.1+samsung+ics
i mean the offical ones
You could check one of the many threads already talking about it.
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samwest39 said:
is there any etas or a estamet on the ics update from actual cymod or samsung
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Yep Samsung released ICS on the Google Nexus. If you want update from cymod, check the dev forums. All the info is there.
As of right now, there is no official ETA on Cyanogenmod9 (ICS) although from looking at their latest work (Nightly Builds, they are close. They will have to go through some Betas and then a RC (Release Candidate,) but even the Alphas are in a very good state. Usually by the time it is in Beta, CM is in a daily-driver condition.
As for Samsung's official ICS rom, the company has committed to bringing ICS to the entire Galaxy Tab line in Q1 of 2012, which means in the first 3 months of the year (Jan, Feb, March) Bear in mind that there is the possibility that they will miss that deadline due to unforseen bugs and isssues, so they may end up delivering in Q2, which would still put them on track for their initial promise of the first half of the year.
Hi everyone
I am pretty new to all this stuff with the tabs. I am running tasks 13.1 ROM with pershoots latest kerrnel.
Does anyone know what advantages or what ics has offer.
My tab is running great now but i am still very curious about ics
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AUSTAB2012 said:
Hi everyone
I am pretty new to all this stuff with the tabs. I am running tasks 13.1 ROM with pershoots latest kerrnel.
Does anyone know what advantages or what ics has offer.
My tab is running great now but i am still very curious about ics
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The tab is much much faster with ICS and the general performance is better. For example theres no lag when using the appswitcher.
Some things aren't working yet (Camera, native VPN) but since a few days even hardware-accelerated video is working. Just do a nandroid backup and try it out, it runs REALLY great! I would never go back
Some useful links to get a feeling for whats new:
Android 4.0 Highlights (SDK Platform preview)
Android 4.0 - Official Site
Galaxy Tab WIFI CM9 KANG - Preview ROM of CM9
Isilmalith said:
The tab is much much faster with ICS and the general performance is better. For example theres no lag when using the appswitcher.
Some things aren't working yet (Camera, native VPN) but since a few days even hardware-accelerated video is working. Just do a nandroid backup and try it out, it runs REALLY great! I would never go back
Some useful links to get a feeling for whats new:
Android 4.0 Highlights (SDK Platform preview)
Android 4.0 - Official Site
Galaxy Tab WIFI CM9 KANG - Preview ROM of CM9
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i agree the Kang release is good enough to use every day. IMO Honeycomb is rubbish and this rom is way better
ICS is to HoneyComb what Windows 7 is to Vista
just plain better!
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ICS is to HoneyComb what Windows 7 is to Vista
just plain better!
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LOL +1
10char
Does ICS make it faster?
I just picked up a 10.1 and am very dissapointed with its performance. Very laggy and not a great user experience.
Before I sell it or put too much effort into it, do any of the ICS builds make a noticeable improvement in the over all performance? Or is it just a better UI?
Honeycomb is downright awful IMO, and I would rather have GB stretched out on this thing given the inconsistency of HC. I know ICS will address some of those concerns, but if it doesn't also bring with it a performance improvement I think I will sell this thing.
Thanks for your input!
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Before I sell it or put too much effort into it, do any of the ICS builds make a noticeable improvement in the over all performance? Or is it just a better UI?
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ICS is much better than HC, not just the UI. At the moment, there's still a few things that don't work (camera, for example). But don't take my word, try it, it will only take a few minutes and then you decide if it's good enough.
you can get immediate and excellent performance by just going to GalaxyTask custom ROM - ICS is even more smoother
BJNK said:
I just picked up a 10.1 and am very dissapointed with its performance. Very laggy and not a great user experience.
Before I sell it or put too much effort into it, do any of the ICS builds make a noticeable improvement in the over all performance? Or is it just a better UI?
Honeycomb is downright awful IMO, and I would rather have GB stretched out on this thing given the inconsistency of HC. I know ICS will address some of those concerns, but if it doesn't also bring with it a performance improvement I think I will sell this thing.
Thanks for your input!
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Thanks for the info, both of you!
I have the 3G version so GalaxyTask is out. Any other recommendations?
animatechnica said:
you can get immediate and excellent performance by just going to GalaxyTask custom ROM - ICS is even more smoother
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BJNK said:
Thanks for the info, both of you!
I have the 3G version so GalaxyTask is out. Any other recommendations?
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Try the ICS 3G Rom from Mobalito: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1461240
Compared to the stock honeycomb that comes with the 10.1, this is night and day. Performance on stock honeycomb was a JOKE. Lagged like my HTC Hero. Same day as I bought the pad I installed this ICS ROM and it's been awesome ever since. Only need the camera working now!
You wont be dissapointed. This is a great piece of hardware, but shipped with unoptimized software. Flash your own software in and you'll love it!
Even going to a custom 3.2 rom will give a lot of speed and responsivness. 3.1 is realy realy not the best rom to put on a device and help "selling" the thing!
I've been running Galaxy Task Slim 13.1 and it's realy better than stock 3.1. I haven't tryed the stock 3.2 yet though, that might be a performance jump also!
I too agree. After the switch to the ICS there is no way to revert back to the old HC version. This despite the lack of the camera and the VPN......
Isilmalith said:
The tab is much much faster with ICS and the general performance is better. For example theres no lag when using the appswitcher.
Some things aren't working yet (Camera, native VPN) but since a few days even hardware-accelerated video is working. Just do a nandroid backup and try it out, it runs REALLY great! I would never go back
Some useful links to get a feeling for whats new:
Android 4.0 Highlights (SDK Platform preview)
Android 4.0 - Official Site
Galaxy Tab WIFI CM9 KANG - Preview ROM of CM9
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Thanks for replying after the recommendation I have upgraded to p4wifi milestone 3, its awesome.
Is there anything that you recommend to make it even better apps etc?
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t1mman said:
ICS is to HoneyComb what Windows 7 is to Vista
just plain better!
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Come on man its a big diff! Haha honeycomb is usable atleast not vista
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When I bought the Xoom last year I installed the latest Tiamat rom (now Nandroid' at 2.2.2) and it ran really well, although the limitations of the hardware occasionally reared it's ugly head; I guess tablets can't come close to laptops at the mo now matter what mega ROM is installed.
I'm running Miui on an HTC DHD and it is an AWESOME Rom and nothing at all like vanilla Honeycomb, just on another level. I was hoping that when ICS came out there would be something similar for the Xoom. So I waited like a hungry dog for ICS to land and a stable(ish) build to come out and have now tried both EOS and Kang CM9 and both run well but how are they so vastly different from Vanilla ICS? I do really appreciate all the effort that's gone into getting these roms to us but if they're the same (or similar) in terms of looks, performance, usability etc what's the advantage with ICS over Honeycomb apart from a pretty small performance upgrade? Sure ICS does look a little different but only a bit, nothing drastic.....so can someone who knows more about these things tell me, what's the biggy with ICS?
Perhaps I'm expecting too much here but it seems a lot like the forums just got crazy giddy waiting for ICS to come out so then whipped themselves up into a lather (for maybe no valid reason) and that now the insanely mad push to get ICS working efficiently across the Android universe is more of a case of why man went to the Moon?.....because it's there, not because we needed to.
I think your sort of neglecting the big picture. Your looking at it from the perspective of someone who is already running Honeycomb on your Xoom. I think if you were running a HP Touchpad (for example) with Gingerbread you would be warming up a lot closer to ICS. Not every tablet has honeycomb on it so lets face it you are spoiled by the Xooms OS.
Oh and ICS has some nice features for example I can remove app from the recent app list by dragging it out of the list.
HC was a beta; ICS is a stable release
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what's the advantage with ICS over Honeycomb apart from a pretty small performance upgrade?
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Its not small by any means. The performance increase is night and day.
A lot of the hype in general for ICS is for previous gingerbread users. Its a huge change for them in terms of UI. For honeycomb users, ICS is more like finally getting a stable release of the OS; honeycomb was IMO a beta test. Limited to tablets (which was a pretty small portion of Android users) and very buggy with quite a bit of work that needed to be done. Now we have a full release with some nice new features, proper performance and support for tablets and phones.
As for the custom roms, I'm pretty certain stock ICS Xooms don't have face unlock. The EOS settings are nice as well as built-in overclocking. I'm sure somewhere down the line the ad-hoc support will be sorted out and I remember reading a post by one of the EOS devs that they haven't even begun to work on performance optimization so this ROM could get even faster/smoother/better on battery.
The biggest reason to move is that ICS actually takes advantage of your second (or more) cores more efficiently than HC 3.x ever did.
Gingerbread for the most part, will not utilize a 2nd core at all even if you had one. That 2nd core would sit there idle. AFAIK.
So, ICS on Xoom is a huge boost in performance. You can see this as you use the device. Lag is completely removed from almost all tasks. With EOS Wingray/Stingray, you can even over clock to get even more performance out of the old Tegra 2.
Stability, smoothness in the UI, and overall polish. The browser is also WORLDS better.
+1 on previous comments RE: smoothness, performance. I was able to start playing with official ICS a couple of Thursdays ago when it rolled onto my Xoom as I was introducing myself to my nursing students.
AFAIK, and have tested, read/write to "external" SD card issue is partially fixed from the standpoint of apps directing r/w to the actual name Xoom gives the ext SD... with HC, the only way I could get it working was by using the File Manager for Honeycomb (can't recall the dev's name off the top of my head). Now, as more devs are updating their apps for ICS tablet compatibility, some are making the change and some aren't.
~ BereanPK
anyone knows when the 3g version in europe will get ics?
Well for one thing we won't really see all the benefits of ICS for awhile.
Remember ICS is the attempt to standardize App compatability between Phone and Tablets.
Until more phones get ICS we won't truly see the entire benefit of it.
And it's still relatively new and not fully fleshed out by the community yet.
They are still struggling with getting it up and running on devices (like ours which Team EOS is doing a great job with!)
HC was specifically written for Dual Proc units.
ICS' main goal is to support ANY number of internal procs which is a boon to Single proc devices and future multicore devices.
It also allows consistency of OS so that cheaper android tablets can be made. I can see single proc bargain Tablets on the way soon now that ICS doesn't care how many cores you have!
And the fact that it runs on phones and tablets just means easier coding for App developers because they can write one set of code to work on EVERY android device and have better compatability.
ICS was a very smart move by Google and provided the Manufacturers don't mess it up with bloatware creating problems we are all better off having it!
I don't think ICS has even scratched the surface of what it can do!
HC may be a bit more mature and stable but thats only because it's been in development longer...ICS will get there and more!
Hi all DEV,
Looking at how similar the P6800 is as compare with Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note, Exynos-MALI-SAMOLED, is it possible to port Gingerbread or even ICS onto the tab?
The current honeycomb OS is really crappy as compare to the smooth Gingerbread and ICS. Replacing TW with ADW is just a temp solution to bring back some speed, but the overall system performance still lags much. It looks as if HC is weighing over tons that our 1.4ghz exynos can't pull ...
Hope to see more seasoned devs coming into P6800 soon.
Best Regards,
David
ruffruff said:
Hi all DEV,
Looking at how similar the P6800 is as compare with Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note, Exynos-MALI-SAMOLED, is it possible to port Gingerbread or even ICS onto the tab?
The current honeycomb OS is really crappy as compare to the smooth Gingerbread and ICS. Replacing TW with ADW is just a temp solution to bring back some speed, but the overall system performance still lags much. It looks as if HC is weighing over tons that our 1.4ghz exynos can't pull ...
Hope to see more seasoned devs coming into P6800 soon.
Best Regards,
David
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I think that the Tab 7.7 still has limited availability in a multitude of places which is probably affecting development. Probably due to lawsuits and such including Apple.
The Tab 7.7's getting ICS in Q2 officially though, but I wouldn't be surprised if Touch Wiz slows that down too. :l
Please developers port ics onto ours p6800 i ll pay you
I must agree hc sucks terible. I also would like to see a uniforum between my s2 and 7.7
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sincerely hope the devs can help us here.
Am I the only one here who doesn't seem to be having any problem's whatsoever with my device? Seriously... HC isn't slow at all for me, and my 7.7 runs circles around my Note in terms of overall speed and utility. What's everyone complaining about? I don't get it...
You may be seeing that the 7.7 is getting a lot of sales. If one percent of the buyers have problems, that will result in a lot of posts here. Happy buyers don't post problem stories.
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You may be seeing that the 7.7 is getting a lot of sales. If one percent of the buyers have problems, that will result in a lot of posts here. Happy buyers don't post problem stories.
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I'm one of the happy buyers, but partly because I know it will get an ICS update eventually
Me too
appelflap said:
I'm one of the happy buyers, but partly because I know it will get an ICS update eventually
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Me too. I love this tablet in so many ways but The laggyness is killing Me. I Hope a ICS will improve this
ics will improve it for sure, becouse i have my own experience. My girl have an huawei media pad, this tablet has dual core 1,2 ghz and comes with honeycomb. The first days was terrible, very laggy and frustrating, after few days a developer has released an unofficially coocked rom based on ics... now the huawey media pad of my girl is more fast then my p6800.. PLEASE SOME BIG BRAIN HERE CAN DO A COOCKED RPM WITH ICS FOR OURS P6800 ? i ll do any donation and i ll be sure that other users do the same think
Again, all this "lag?" I have no idea what you people are talking about... Seriously... What lag? ;;
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Again, all this "lag?" I have no idea what you people are talking about... Seriously... What lag? ;;
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different people has different standard, if we use the term "less smooth" would it better?
hello just wanna point out that the device for me plenty smooth already just that whenever i put a couple of active widgets it gets kinda laggy so you may want to remove and use less widgets just a thought before someone makes a custom rom without the stock twlauncher and the added bloatware
the galaxy tab 7.7 has 700+ ram and the system always use 500+ XD what the hell does samsung run in the background that needs that much ram ???? i think if the bloatware were removed even on HC 3.2 this device will probably pretty fast
Suggest that adw ex launcher be installed..... Does wonders to make interface less laggy...
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Am I the only one here who doesn't seem to be having any problem's whatsoever with my device? Seriously... HC isn't slow at all for me, and my 7.7 runs circles around my Note in terms of overall speed and utility. What's everyone complaining about? I don't get it...
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Again, all this "lag?" I have no idea what you people are talking about... Seriously... What lag? ;;
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You know very well what these people are talking about since you even switched to using ADW EX. I could say a lot more but id rather not
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Suggest that adw ex launcher be installed..... Does wonders to make interface less laggy...
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That's just a temporary solution..maybe just need to bear with HC until iCS release.
Everyone will have different levels of satisfaction between "desired" and "achieved" levels of performance. Mine's slick. YMMV.
Highly doubtful any dev is going to put in the time to port ICS or even a ROM since as soon as ICS is released, all the hours upon hours of work becomes rather wasted. After Samsung releases ICS, THEN we should see serious modding.
That and increased availability of the device.
change LCD density to 240. BAMfFf! = gingerbread!
Actually, I used ADW right from the get go because it's my launcher of choice. Never have been a fan of TouchWiz personally...
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change LCD density to 240. BAMfFf! = gingerbread!
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Post screen shot. From what I know about the 7.7, changing the LCD density on this device is a quick and easy way to end up with a soft brick...
Well,as expected,since i already had ICS on my phone for like 2 months, the ASUS ICE CREAM is a dream come true.(i am not gonna comment about whining noobs who dont even know how to install a clean system).
Now i see the light,i see why the tablets are the future, i feel the smoothness of instant typing in all kind of web pages,the stability of the system (i get a 2600 quadrant score with stock rooted rom but after i have manually removed lots of useless asus bloatware in system, and optimised the kernel and system with rom toolbox).
My thoughts are,what about honeycomb?
I bought the tablet so as to replace my netbook and laptop and profit from all the benefits of android system in a powerfull system.I was not that stupid to think that a tablet is a netbook but....honeycomb made my tablet go on the shelf for like 2 months.
I refused to keep using a device that was not working the way it was advertised.
I tried everything with the abysmal honeycomb. Stock,all the custom roms,all the kernels,all the tips,you name it.
In every 10-20 minutes i aways had one problem.A force close of the browser,white blocks (bbrrrrrr), slow system out of nowhere etc...
So,why they even released a bad written software? Just to keep on with the apple fan boys?
As a consumer,how can we be protected again in future attempts of delivering a malfunctioning product?
Could you even go a legal road?
They say that the all mighty ICS is not absorbed in every device and that google will try to get jelly bean sooner.
What if jelly bean is a new Honeycomb?
Do we have a formal voice and maybe a refund or anything against those kind of politics or we have only the great xda to whine about in a forum post...?
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Me, unlike you, have returned to HC. ICS is buggy and tons of apps forclose or simply are not even supported yet.
The dev support is just starting, Kernel has not been released, so no OC or UV yet.
In 2 months or less this will change. But until then HC is the better choice.
I think you'll end up putting your device on the shelf again. ICS is a bit smoother but the things it does are the exact same. It is not a miracle upgrade. It is not completly new. It is not bringing you some new exp. that you couldn't have gotten on HC.
/shrug
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Me, unlike you, have returned to HC. ICS is buggy and tons of apps forclose or simply are not even supported yet.
The dev support is just starting, Kernel has not been released, so no OC or UV yet.
In 2 months or less this will change. But until then HC is the better choice.
I think you'll end up putting your device on the shelf again. ICS is a bit smoother but the things it does are the exact same. It is not a miracle upgrade. It is not completly new. It is not bringing you some new exp. that you couldn't have gotten on HC.
/shrug
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You are semi-correct. On the tablet HC to ICS isn't that big of a jump, but Gb to ICS on the phone end is a huge jump.
This is going to be more of a one OS for all devices, starting with ICS. Instead of having 2.1 compatible but not 3.2 compatible, everything will be compatible, we'll just see Phone, Tablet or TV variants of the same app. Like IMDb, it looks different on my HTC Glacier, than it does on my TF101, than on my Logitech Revue.
ICS is just a stepping stone, nothing more, nothing less.
neidlinger said:
You are semi-correct. On the tablet HC to ICS isn't that big of a jump, but Gb to ICS on the phone end is a huge jump.
This is going to be more of a one OS for all devices, starting with ICS. Instead of having 2.1 compatible but not 3.2 compatible, everything will be compatible, we'll just see Phone, Tablet or TV variants of the same app. Like IMDb, it looks different on my HTC Glacier, than it does on my TF101, than on my Logitech Revue.
ICS is just a stepping stone, nothing more, nothing less.
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I think you'll see jelly bean before you get consistency. I could be wrong and hope I am.
tweaked said:
I think you'll see jelly bean before you get consistency. I could be wrong and hope I am.
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I've seen a lot of reports that are saying its ICS, they could be wrong/I could be wrong, But i will say this. When i'm running ICS on my Glacier, Apps [in the market] that show up that didn't before. more specifically, tablet apps show up.
tweaked said:
Me, unlike you, have returned to HC. ICS is buggy and tons of apps forclose or simply are not even supported yet.
The dev support is just starting, Kernel has not been released, so no OC or UV yet.
In 2 months or less this will change. But until then HC is the better choice.
I think you'll end up putting your device on the shelf again. ICS is a bit smoother but the things it does are the exact same. It is not a miracle upgrade. It is not completely new. It is not bringing you some new exp. that you couldn't have gotten on HC.
/shrug
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I have -bought- over 500 apps and counting.I have installed all of them,not counting the free apps i use from amazon appstore and only one stupid quotes app and 2-3 g5 entertainment games are not compatible.
How you have problems with ICS is still a mystery to me,since im stating facts.
Imagine the kernel source out and a month to devs,what our eyes have to see.
The ICS is so good that i dont miss custom roms at all and that says something.
The return to the laggy HC with the practically unusable dock keyboard which you wrote one word and the second letter was first and the first letter was second,is even a greater mystery to me.
I hope that google learned from the mistakes of the past and i hope i will never see a honeycomb software again.
Corporations should learn to respect costumers and not doing a 100m race.
ICS is a very good start...
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karapoutsoglou said:
I have -bought- over 500 apps and counting.I have installed all of them,not counting the free apps i use from amazon appstore and only one stupid quotes app and 2-3 g5 entertainment games are not compatible.
How you have problems with ICS is still a mystery to me,since im stating facts.
Imagine the kernel source out and a month to devs,what our eyes have to see.
The ICS is so good that i dont miss custom roms at all and that says something.
The return to the laggy HC with the practically unusable dock keyboard which you wrote one word and the second letter was first and the first letter was second,is even a greater mystery to me.
I hope that google learned from the mistakes of the past and i hope i will never see a honeycomb software again.
Corporations should learn to respect costumers and not doing a 100m race.
ICS is a very good start...
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GTA 3 sometimes loads. Sometimes does not.
Peggle loads and dies.
New Game on Nvidia meltdown to mars - Loads and is buggy.
Need for Speed - Any of them. Won't load. Die
I could continue..
All the above running perfectly on HC.
Your 500 apps must be useless ones. At least to me.
ICS will be fine in a month or so. Its not ICS that is the issue. it is the Apps.
I personally do not have "issues" with HC. It runs smoothly. No reason to update until I can OC, UV, and play the games I like...
But hey, Thats just me. No reason you can't love ICS.
I tried the ICS build from Asus but it seems half-baked to me. The Quick Settings look terrible too. I ended up going back to Prime! 2.1.1 because it just seems more polished to me, and the performance and functionality isn't that different.
Once Roach finishes up his ICS ROM, I imagine thats what I'll be using. His stuff just seems so much more finished feeling.
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GTA 3 sometimes loads. Sometimes does not.
Peggle loads and dies.
New Game on Nvidia meltdown to mars - Loads and is buggy.
Need for Speed - Any of them. Won't load. Die
I could continue..
All the above running perfectly on HC.
Your 500 apps must be useless ones. At least to me.
ICS will be fine in a month or so. Its not ICS that is the issue. it is the Apps.
I personally do not have "issues" with HC. It runs smoothly. No reason to update until I can OC, UV, and play the games I like...
But hey, Thats just me. No reason you can't love ICS.
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This is a tablet made for doing a variety of things. not just playing games.
And have you ever thought that your issue lays with the developers for not supporting ICS. Google pushes a source code, Manufacturers and 3rd party developers create Operating Systems for us to enjoy. It's the app creators to make sure their apps run with the newest OS.
All of the apps that i use on my Tablet, work perfectly on ICS. I have no reason to resort back to Hc.
neidlinger said:
This is a tablet made for doing a variety of things. not just playing games.
And have you ever thought that your issue lays with the developers for not supporting ICS. Google pushes a source code, Manufacturers and 3rd party developers create Operating Systems for us to enjoy. It's the app creators to make sure their apps run with the newest OS.
All of the apps that i use on my Tablet, work perfectly on ICS. I have no reason to resort back to Hc.
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It says in^ its not ICS that is the issue. it is the Apps.
I dont call it resorting. i call it getting full functionality. I prefer everything working, I prefer running at 1.5ghz, and I prefer Undervolting. Battery = forever lasting....
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It says in^ its not ICS that is the issue. it is the Apps.
I dont call it resorting. i call it getting full functionality. I prefer everything working, I prefer running at 1.5ghz, and I prefer Undervolting. Battery = forever lasting....
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To each his own, i like living on the EDGE. Not that i need to, but i like being at the forefront.
tweaked said:
GTA 3 sometimes loads. Sometimes does not.
Peggle loads and dies.
New Game on Nvidia meltdown to mars - Loads and is buggy.
Need for Speed - Any of them. Won't load. Die
I could continue..
All the above running perfectly on HC.
Your 500 apps must be useless ones. At least to me.
ICS will be fine in a month or so. Its not ICS that is the issue. it is the Apps.
I personally do not have "issues" with HC. It runs smoothly. No reason to update until I can OC, UV, and play the games I like...
But hey, Thats just me. No reason you can't love ICS.
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GTA runs perfectly and no issues. Meltdown i have downloaded this afternoon and have not used it yet(quite a gamer you are).
But lets forget games and stuff,what do you thing of the internet experience? what do you think about browsing? Is it better worse or the same as HC?
And what about office apps? Are they snappier and faster than HC or the same? or worse?.....
Can you write a big text comfortably in a web page in ICS or do you finger cross not to have force closes and white blocks and lose 40 minutes of your life cause there is no lazarus add on?
Do you feel comfotable to work office in HC or ICS?
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For me browsing on ICS is so good, I almost stopped browsing on my computer.
I'm one of the folks that apparently has fully functioning ICS. I have no complaints. But by the above post, there was no way ICS was every going to remotely live up to your expectations. I like OC my tablet as well, but I never had the expectation that Asus would deliver me a stock rom that would do so. I mean do disrespect or criticism to anyone not happy with ICS. But let's just face it, this update had big expectations and hype and could have done everything perfectly and people would still not like it. Nothing that has a certain level of hype or expectation ever lives up to it, be it a tablet OS or anything else. That said ICS is great for me, I have no complaints thus far, and hope that others with problems get them solved, so that they can enjoy their tablet as much as me.
Ill1 I'm with you. Maybe I'm just lucky or we with great working ICS did something different or better, but everything is just peachy on my end.
I have one little bug with the camera, if you have a pin or pattern lock screen setup then switching from camera to panoramic doesn't initiate the camera and eventually fc's.
But my GTA 3 works so do all my other apps. Things are generally smoother and faster.
Next stop is trying to root this thing using Ubuntu so I can be ready to put CM9 on it whenever it comes out
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a.mcdear said:
I tried the ICS build from Asus but it seems half-baked to me. The Quick Settings look terrible too. I ended up going back to Prime! 2.1.1 because it just seems more polished to me, and the performance and functionality isn't that different.
Once Roach finishes up his ICS ROM, I imagine thats what I'll be using. His stuff just seems so much more finished feeling.
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You can turn off the ugly Asus menu in the settings, under Asus customized setting.
ICS for me has been flawless, I dont know what some of you did to screw it up so bad. If you updated without wiping then dont complain about bugginess, do it the right way and then see ifyou have issues.
karapoutsoglou said:
GTA runs perfectly and no issues. Meltdown i have downloaded this afternoon and have not used it yet(quite a gamer you are).
But lets forget games and stuff,what do you thing of the internet experience? what do you think about browsing? Is it better worse or the same as HC?
And what about office apps? Are they snappier and faster than HC or the same? or worse?.....
Can you write a big text comfortably in a web page in ICS or do you finger cross not to have force closes and white blocks and lose 40 minutes of your life cause there is no lazarus add on?
Do you feel comfotable to work office in HC or ICS?
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I love ICS. But I need to be able to fiddle with settings and stuff. Its an addiction. Once a kernal is available I'll jump for good. And I also have a back up of the ICS with all my installs and a copy of the kernel so I can jump back and forth. I love Chrome.
I use a third party keyboard I don't have typing issues. I just saying, HC isn't terrible. Infact I would say its a bit more stable as of right now. /shrug
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I love ICS. But I need to be able to fiddle with settings and stuff. Its an addiction. Once a kernal is available I'll jump for good. And I also have a back up of the ICS with all my installs and a copy of the kernel so I can jump back and forth. I love Chrome.
I use a third party keyboard I don't have typing issues. I just saying, HC isn't terrible. Infact I would say its a bit more stable as of right now. /shrug
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i wait a custom kernel (blades hopefully) too, anxiously....
cant imagine the experience with a moddest overclock and some kernel goodies as add ons...
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So, now that we've had JB on our KF for about a month, I'm wondering why Google made 4.1 Jelly Bean, instead of just updating ICS to v4.1. Don't get me wrong, JB is fine but aside from Google Now, I don't see any real benefits of JB over ICS. I guess it's nice that on some JB roms, you can have either a tablet or phone ui but I just have the rom I'm using on tablet and haven't had any need to switch to phone. I'm on twa_priv's CM10 SGT7 rom and it runs great but so did his CM9 rom.
I guess it's no big deal but you would think that to go from ICS to JB, the corresponding version number would be Android 5.x. but IMO, I don't think this "update" warranted going up a full version number, or from ICS to JB. In my everyday use, I really don't see a difference between the two. Google talks about Project Butter, well ICS ran damn smooth for me, so I'm really not noticing the butter.
To sum it up, while there's nothing really wrong with JB, for me, it's pretty underwhelming to be considered a major revision update. Any and all opinions are welcome, especially those pointing out specific JB features/benefits that I'm not seeing.
Mike T
There's enough changes under the hood for it to be a newer version.
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There's enough changes under the hood for it to be a newer version.
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That's a very general statement. What are some of these changes that may make a difference to allow it to be a whole new version, as opposed to an updated version of ICS?
Mike T
Because it sounds better from a marketing stand point?
I see your point that to a front end user not an whole lot of differences. But I think they did a lot of optimization and performance enhancements that the developers considered to be worthy of an upgraded OS rather than a patch to the old version.
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sweeds said:
Because it sounds better from a marketing stand point?
I see your point that to a front end user not an whole lot of differences. But I think they did a lot of optimization and performance enhancements that the developers considered to be worthy of an upgraded OS rather than a patch to the old version.
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Very good point re: Marketing. I would think Google introducing the Nexus 7 with something "different" in JB makes sense. For me, after playing around with it and looking through the file structures, it feels like an updated ICS with a nicer notifications interface and a cool new killer app in Google Now. IMO, there's very little difference both visually and performance-wise from ICS. Maybe rightfully so, because ICS is a very good OS on its own.
I'm all for progression and I think that Google Now has tons of potential. GN is a big selling point for me with JB, I just hope that Hashcode, or some other programming genius finds a way to get a mic working, so we can take advantage of its capabilities. Of course, regardless, I'll still want to be on the cutting edge, using the latest and greatest OS...unless it's a total dud!:laugh:
Mike T
I think that between Project Butter, new notifications and Google Now that there's enough to call it a new version ie JB, but it's just not big a change according to google for a major version change, just a minor one.
Just imagine what's going to be needed for the next major version change