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Hey just before getting another nexus one wondered if anyone has heard of or predicts any price change for the unsubsidised version in the near future? I heard the HTC Bravo is coming out next month should I wait to see what happens in March?
cheers.
I'd wait until March, though frankly I doubt it: it's Google's current flagship device, blah blah. But just out of curiosity, why a second N1?
buying on behalf of a friend who's total noob. It says the vodafone and verizon versions are due to release in Spring 2010 maybe they'll introduce a new price then if not i doubt there'll be one soon after that
wait till monday. After the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona we'll have more info about future devices such as the Bravo and can more accurately calculate price-drops.
What exactly will be the benefit of waiting for the Bravo? Isn't it essentially the N1 with 720p video recording, a ugly black hardware design, and HTC Sense? I honestly see it as a downgrade. Since Sense will probably be ported over in a ROM, we already have Snapdragon, and I don't know any way to compensate for the 720p recording unless it is software related and can also be ported.
You're right, I don't even like Sense UI anymore. Cool, will wait for the MW Congress. Cheers
p.s. What do you think of ebay as a buying source?
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What exactly will be the benefit of waiting for the Bravo? Isn't it essentially the N1 with 720p video recording, a ugly black hardware design, and HTC Sense? I honestly see it as a downgrade. Since Sense will probably be ported over in a ROM, we already have Snapdragon, and I don't know any way to compensate for the 720p recording unless it is software related and can also be ported.
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720p recording is likely software. When the N1 first launched, the specs said 720p recording, then they pulled it since it wasn't supported yet. From the sounds of it, the Bravo has the exact same hardware, minus a few very small changes, and thus the added features should be portable.
It's only been out for a month, so I wouldn't count on it. Having a price drop that quick would only piss off all of us who bought it at full price.
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720p recording is likely software. When the N1 first launched, the specs said 720p recording, then they pulled it since it wasn't supported yet. From the sounds of it, the Bravo has the exact same hardware, minus a few very small changes, and thus the added features should be portable.
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Thanks for the clarification, that may be a feature I look forward to.
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It's only been out for a month, so I wouldn't count on it. Having a price drop that quick would only piss off all of us who bought it at full price.
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Sounds like something a certain fruit might do...
Well it doesn't look like anything exciting happened at Barcelona, just some lame Samsung Wave and some kiddie sony erricson toys
well that's because MWC only starts tomorrow offically
tomorrow we're also gonna see Intel and Nokia pull off some magic...
I don't think you will see a price drop for a while. The subsidized phone is CHEAP for what it is.... 179 on big red would make this phone a real winner... I just hate verizon for being to pushy with changing phone features.
The most important spec, unknown between the N1 and the Bravo, is the RAM. Most of the specs for the Bravo I've seens said it will have 320mb RAM, instead of the 512mb the N1 has. If this is the case then the Bravo is not an attractive alternative for me. If the Bravo has 512mb RAM. then I like the all black case styling, the optical mouse, and the hard buttons more than my N1.
Will it be possible to flash all the CyanogenMod ROMs we have now for the N1 directly to the Bravo, or will the developers have to re-invent the wheel to transfer the ROMs to the Bravo?
Well as far as I'm aware the nexus is restricted to using less ram because of the operating system so some ram goes to waste? Anyways I've put in the order for 2 nexus one's.... didn't avoid tax this time :S
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Well as far as I'm aware the nexus is restricted to using less ram because of the operating system so some ram goes to waste? Anyways I've put in the order for 2 nexus one's.... didn't avoid tax this time :S
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I believe people here have been working on a RAM hack for the Nexus One to allow it to use more of the available RAM, I'm not really that active in the Nexus One community since I don't yet have the phone, so don't quote me on this though.
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I believe people here have been working on a RAM hack for the Nexus One to allow it to use more of the available RAM, I'm not really that active in the Nexus One community since I don't yet have the phone, so don't quote me on this though.
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Actually, you're pretty much correct. If you're rooted, you can flash the updated kernel and your phone will utilize all the available RAM. Still waiting for Google to give us an OTA, since I'm not rooting this puppy.
I'm curious as to what other potential buyers here on XDA plan to do with the Xoom and why they want it. Maybe we can discover new uses through other people?
HD recording and playback will be awesome. I've never owned a webcam, so the Xoom's cam on the front will be fun. I'm very excited for Honeycomb itself, the revamped apps should be really cool! Besides all that, I really like the Xoom's exterior and formfactor compared to some other tablets. The Notion Ink Adam has similar specs, but I simply don't like how it looks. Also, the imposed UI doesn't appeal to me personality.
As far as usage, being a musician, I want to put in all my sheet music/real books to have with me on the gig and for personal practice. Having to print off sheet music and also having to lug everything around isn't very convenient. With the Xoom, I'll have lots of music accessible with just a few clicks! Also, I've gotten quite a few eBooks recently that will be more comfortably read on the Xoom rather than my laptop or my tiny Eris (3.2" screen!)
Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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And HTC should work on faster OS updates. I'm sticking with the Xoom unless it's too pricey...but even then I'll wait until I can afford it/prices lower! I hope the bootloader isn't locked...
I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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It's not too much from what a high-end smartphone costs off-contract now in reality. Though, for a poor college student...
As far as the bootloader, there's no info yet. This is Motorola's latest statement:
We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
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We'll have to see if anything new info leaks by the Xoom's release, hopefully it'll be unlocked.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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You're welcome. I agree, Motorola has set high standards. Info on one of HTC's tablets is out already: Leak: Topaz Specs (Gizmodo)
The Xoom still looks better!
The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Go here for the Toshiba tablet specs:
http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Most if not all of the specs for the Toshiba Tab have been released on it's website: www.thetoshibatablet.com. And yes, I did take the update situation into consideration with my previous post. Hence the "because it is Google's lead device.."
Seems like a nice pad but I couldn't figure out how much memory it comes with? I plan on using about 25gbs just for music, I never plan on hooking this (or my sd card)to my desktop for music again. Also I don't see myself ever buying a Toshiba product, I would prefer LG slate over this but that's just me. If this pad has 32gb on board memory the only reason it will be cheaper is because of no 3g an obviously its Toshiba. Another thing don't drop it, it's not made with the gorilla glass so bumps and drops can crack the screen easily
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I have T-Mobile so I actually did take the LG-G Slate into consideration, but with an 8.9" screen I said never mind. Also, I'm sure Toshiba's tab will be "decent". Judging from photos, and small previews, people seem ok with the device so far.
Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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Eclair~ said:
The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
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Argh, don't know why I thought it was HTC!
I had not seen specs for the Toshiba tablet until this morning. Looks pretty good. Looking at that, It does make the Xoom look like it's not hard to beat. As you said, the Xoom will be successful because it's the first Honeycomb tablet and it'll be under Verizon. Motorola has hinted at a Wifi-only and different sizes (7" variant?) as well, which will help later on in the year.
However, there's always something coming that's better with mobile devices. I want a tablet now, the Xoom is what I'm going to get!
Besides, even if it does become overshadowed by over tablets this year, I won't mind--I'm still rockin' a HTC Droid Eris proudly!
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Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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There's supposed to be a Galaxy Tab 2, wonder what that will have in store. Motorola has hinted at releasing different sizes of the Xoom later on too. I personally want the larger screen size though for pdfs, documents, movies, etc
Played with the xoom today, I will be getting one. And yes the software is done and doesn't crash. I can't wait for this device. It is alot heavier then you expect but is soooooo sexy
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So I am switching to AT&T and I'm trying to decide whether the Atrix or the GS2 would be better. If I were to get the GS2 it would be the international version. The pricing and release date doesn't matter and all the accessories for the atrix doesn't matter for me.
TL;DR Which one do you prefer? Give a reason as to why you would want either one.
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Well that depends.
Spec wise the only thing the Moto has on top of the S2 appears to be resolution.
Everything else the S2 is far ahead, but it is also not available for purchase.
motorola typically these days has locked boot loaders so it makes it impossible to root.. that is a killer for me. there are all kinds of software that i use that needs root.
2nd nothing compares to the brightness especially in sun of the samsung super amoled screens.
but what did you expect to hear.. you are posting this on a samsung forum?
also if you are like me if you have an unlocked phone that att doesnt know the imei range.. you can stay on the 10 per month unlimited family data plan..
although the extra att charges for data (if you are not on family unlimited) is basically butt rape anyway as i never go over 200-300 meg per month
Well I have a Galaxy S Vibrant right now. I do love the screen and also the amouny of customization available but, I don't care for Samsung takinh forever on OTA updates and releasing the source code.
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Just an update on what Igkahn said:
The Atrix has actually already been rooted, but it is all signed and therefore no custom kernels are available right now and won't be for a while until someone figures it out.
That being said, I absolutely hate Motorola's Motoblur, and would choose the Galaxy S2 twenty times over the Atrix. The TouchWiz 4.0 on the Galaxy S2 also looks awesome.
I'm still tossing up between these 2 phones.. but in defence of the Atrix Tegra owns Exynos it would appear according to Anadtech.
Also I fear we're looking at some serious delays to the galaxy.. I don't think they'll be out until May earliest..
People need to stop using the anandtech benchmarks as any meaningful measuring stick. Constantly doing so just reeks of willful ignorance. The Atrix has the S2 beat since there is no release date in sight, but you can already get an Atrix at the store right now in the US. I'll be waiting til March for the S2 but if nothing shows up, I might get the Atrix instead.
Moto phones are a nightmare
Atrix will be locked up like every other Moto phone
if DEVs are unable to unlock it, then you are stuck using stock ROM forever
it might not affect regular users, but if you are a PRO user that want the best out of the phone, then it'd not be the phone of choice
Papi4baby said:
Well that depends.
Spec wise the only thing the Moto has on top of the S2 appears to be resolution.
Everything else the S2 is far ahead, but it is also not available for purchase.
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One word: Pentile..
There is a huge amount of misinformation in this thread. A truley staggering amount of massively misleading misinformation.
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motorola typically these days has locked boot loaders so it makes it impossible to root.. that is a killer for me. there are all kinds of software that i use that needs root.
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This is not true. While Motorola do have locked bootloaders, the Atrix was rooted before it was released. Titanium backup e.t.c work fine without it.
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I'm still tossing up between these 2 phones.. but in defence of the Atrix Tegra owns Exynos it would appear according to Anadtech
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Anadtech have said themselves that this is prerelease software on unfinished drivers. Let's wait and see final hardware / software before we make judgements. Also, there will be a variant of the SGSII with Tegra 2 inside (model number 19103)
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if DEVs are unable to unlock it, then you are stuck using stock ROM forevere
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Again, untrue. The Milestone and Droid X both have locked bootloaders that none one has cracked and both have custom ROMs, the only thing you can't change is the Kernel. Also the Atrix has a signed bootloader rather than an encrypted one, which improves the possibility of it being cracked (albeit a slim one)
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One word: Pentile..
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I presume you are talking about the Atrix having Pentile, not the SGSII? It is an annoying decision, IMHO the trade off of going Pentile is greater than the benefits of the higher resolution, so I wish they had put a little more cash into it. I case anyone doesn't know the SGSII has a Super AMOLED+ screen which doesn't use the pentile arrangement, hence the jump in screen size from 4" to 4.27"
A lot of posts in this thread are giving out false information, please do research before posting something as fact as people rely on these forums for reliable information when thinking about a purchase.
Galaxy S2 will have the Atrix 4g beat when the phone is released. Tegra2 devices are not yet fully flash supported right now according to some articles. Both phones will be good. I prefer Samsung because they have some kick ass hardware.
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Galaxy S2 will have the Atrix 4g beat when the phone is released. Tegra2 devices are not yet fully flash supported right now according to some articles. Both phones will be good. I prefer Samsung because they have some kick ass hardware.
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Lets see.. I do hope so because I'm tossing up between the two devices even though I really want it now and can purchase the atrix already
I do fear though that as tegra is being used everywhere and also as the reference platform for Honycomb it will get all the special attention.
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Anadtech have said themselves that this is prerelease software on unfinished drivers. Let's wait and see final hardware / software before we make judgements. Also, there will be a variant of the SGSII with Tegra 2 inside (model number 19103)
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True, but bear in mind they were talking about a March? release initially... but looking like April now.
How much work on drivers can they get done in that time? and if the hardware isn't finalised by now they are going to struggle to get this out before iPhone 5.
Oh and and i9103 would be the dream device, but I'm looking to buy ASAP... I can't keep waiting forever
It'll be SGS II for me,as long as there are no encryption/locking issues.
I have the fear the the signed/locked bootloader thingy on the Atrix will never be fully 'worked out',and i don't want my android experience limited even in the slightest way.
If Supercurio,Sztupy,Hardcore and friends can work their magic without limitations on the SGS II then the deal is sealed.Otherwise long life to my SGS.
PS: but will happen to SGS II exynos if tegra 2 becomes the de facto baseground for all future android itinerations?
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PS: but will happen to SGS II exynos if tegra 2 becomes the de facto baseground for all future android itinerations?
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Nothing. Why, what should happen?
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Again, untrue. The Milestone and Droid X both have locked bootloaders that none one has cracked and both have custom ROMs, the only thing you can't change is the Kernel. Also the Atrix has a signed bootloader rather than an encrypted one, which improves the possibility of it being cracked (albeit a slim one)
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noooo, you're missing my point.
I've a Moto phone, and it's locked, but it's using a hacked ROM as well, so we all know it's possible to use Custom ROMs
but the problem is, with a locked bootloader, signed or whatever, it drives away developers and good cooks
and when the phone is not popular among the DEV community, chances are you'll most likely get stuck with whatever is out of the box
Another well known issue with Motorola
they put it plain and clear, they do not want to upgrade the phone OS
so if you got your phone with Froyo 2.2, don't expect to see GB 2.4 on it
Moto have a public schedule for OS phone upgrades https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
so make sure your phone is listed, else...
if the galaxy 2 would have a 540 x 960 screen like the atrix then there'd be no doubt about it , such a shame that samsung chose to go with 480x800
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if the galaxy 2 would have a 540 x 960 screen like the atrix then there'd be no doubt about it , such a shame that samsung chose to go with 480x800
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They didn't have any other choice. The SAMOLED+ screen has more subpixels than any other screen, and it is therefore impossible to place more pixels on a surface of the same size with the current manufacturing technology (which is most likely one of the reasons why they had to bump the size to 4.3" and 4.5" for the Infuse). They would have either had to make the screen even bigger (ugh, too big), or dropped the extra subpixels (sacrifice sharpness).
Anyway, it's bye bye to the pentile grid which is probably the best news as far as the screen goes
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They didn't have any other choice. The SAMOLED+ screen has more subpixels than any other screen, and it is therefore impossible to place more pixels on a surface of the same size with the current manufacturing technology (which is most likely one of the reasons why they had to bump the size to 4.3" and 4.5" for the Infuse). They would have either had to make the screen even bigger (ugh, too big), or dropped the extra subpixels (sacrifice sharpness).
Anyway, it's bye bye to the pentile grid which is probably the best news as far as the screen goes
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wow, u really convinced me with that! do u work for samsung ? xD
I have the Xoom right now and love it. However, I'm attracted to the size and weight of the XYKeyboard. I want 4.0 as soon as possible and LTE doesn't mean anything to me.
I have the option to switch out my Xoom for the XYKeyboard when it comes out, but don't know if I should. Is there any other tablet coming out that I should maybe be waiting for. No, not an iPad. And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
I definitely don't want to get the XY and find out the ICS is going to take longer.
Thoughts?
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And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
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First I've heard of that. The only thing that came close was one reviewer's website who got a faulty unit... when it was exchanged he got 2+ more hours of battery and lasted a good 11 hours. 11 hours isn't crap to me... not to mention the ability to carry around a spare battery in the dock to give it 18+.
Xyboard doesn't ship with ICS. No tablet shipping before the new year is. The Xyboard is only a little bit faster than the original Xoom. It's not worth upgrading. If you want a new tablet, get the Transformer Prime. It's a tad bit more expensive but the hardware in it blows the Xyboard out of the way. If that isn't enough to sway you, consider this: Xyboard is the stupidest name for a gadget I have ever heard.
I should also point out that the Xoom will probably get an ICS ROM before the Xyboard gets updated.
honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
The XY thingy is a joke & a slap in the face to xoom original owners. I have a Asus transformer prime on pre-order.Motorola has lost my business.
I'm a happy Xoom owner also passing on the xyboard. The tablet just doesn't justify the $800 cost (32gB w/o contract) and although dual core is probably enough for me, that doesn't mean I'm going to pay a premium for it and forget quad core is going to be released soon. No microSD, although not critical, is something I'd expect. This is like a middle of the road tablet with a super premium price. Verizon and Motorola must think there are a lot of people willing to pay to have the embedded LTE modem.
I really don't need a new tablet right now so I can wait. For a new buyer, a Xoom or Transformer is a much better bang for your buck. Samsung and Sony have come out with press releases on their next Andriod tablets to be announced in February and at CES (Jan 10th); that doesn't mean they'll be shipping, but I'm not in a rush to buy.
With Apple, many people just buy out of brand loyalty or wanting an Apple device. Motorola releases this device as if its brand loyalty is as strong as Apple. I like Motorola products but this is just a complete disappointment from the specifications to the price. No wonder they aren't seeding media with demo units for testing/reviews. I haven't seen one in depth review; compare that to the Transformer Prime which is seems everyone has except me.
I tried the XY a few days ago (Xoom 2 in the UK) and honestly it is barely an upgrade. The Thinness and weight is nice but it actually felt a little slower than my Xoom, though that's probably because I have mine over clocked. Also the Xoom will get ICS first, the XY is not stock Honeycomb, the changes are little but noticeable and in my opinion make it look a little tacky compared with the Xoom.
Also those weird corners I'll admit feel comfortable and more natural in portrait mode but in landscape I didn't really like the feel, the edges felt sharper and unnatural.
If I were you I would either stick with the Xoom or if you really want an upgrade go for the Transformer Prime, that thing is a beast and when you compare the prices there is really no comparison between the two.
From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
overclock your xoom then wait for a quad core, personally I think ics underlying core won't be to much of a improvement over honeycomb, a few improvements and new theme, but not to much to get overly excited about.
but maybe I am trying to avoid getting let down lol
ill see what GED tablet comes out after IO at the end of June. My xooms not even a year old yet
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From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
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The original Xoom is using a Tegra 2 Processor.
The Xyboard is using a Texas Instrument OMAP4 processor.
And I think Motorola WANTS to upgrade the Xyboard first to ICS but it would be a pain, cause Xyboard is running Motorola Blur so they have a lot of editing to do.
Whereas Xoom is straight up original Android with no modifications, so will be easier to slap ICS on there!
Just wait longer. The xoom is not yet outdated, so the only real difference in the XY would be its profile.
Dispatched at the speed of light from my XOOM
Im thinking hold off for a bit before you buy the XY which is more or less the same as the Xoom.
I say this because I honestly see Xoom getting ICS before XY.
I'll probably never understand the thought process behind a name like XYBoard as Xoom 2 sounds MUCH better. On that note I'm disappointed with the Xoom 2 from a spec sheet perspective. It doesn't offer much of an incentive to "upgrade" to it from my original Xoom. That being said, the Transformer Prime is a true upgrade based on it having that Tegra 3 processor . Someone mentioned that a dual-core processor is fine for Android and I agree: it is perfectly fine for Android...for now. A quad-core tablet is more future-proof, IMHO.
Now, synthetic benchmarks don't mean everything, but it's interesting that the XYBoard 10.1 benchmarks as well as the Transformer Prime in Quadrant, Linpack and Sunspider in our tests.
There's no full blown Motoblur UI on the 10.1 (US shipping model). It's pretty vanilla Android with a handful of Moto and Verizon apps thrown in.
The much improved form factor (let's face it, super-thin and light are popular) is a big mass market improvement over the Xoom. Note, I said mass market, I know some of you guys and gals don't care so much. But it's as thin and light as the iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, and they seem to be the sweet spot with consumers. Likewise the Transformer is uber thin too.
The IPS display is a huge improvement. The one thing I truly hated about my Xoom was the washed out LCD vs. the Transformer/Tab 10.1/iPad 2. It's colorful and much brighter.
I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
pdagal said:
I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
Sandso9 said:
honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
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The Xoom specs are fine, but with an attitude like yours towards newer more powerful stuff will only hold innovation back. Rather than saying "we don't need it" we should be saying "lets find something awesome to do with it!"
When the laser was invented people thought it was useless and that nobody would ever need one.
My Verizon Xoom had bloatware loaded too (not much since Honeycomb was a day old when the Xoom was released, and these were not apps I minded-- games and Verizon data manager/account manager). All products offered by carriers have some apps added or mods made (look at the VZW Galaxy Nexus with Google NFC removed). But the OS on the XYBoard looks pretty clean to me-- no Motoblur (OK, the browser icon is squared off), no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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...... no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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Nice review ... from what i understand if you want a biger files than 4gb you will have to format your disk ? what formats android native supports ? most of my usb flash drives are formatted with ext4 ...
Is there any good video player that support mkv 1080 p with this tablet ?
Since it's a Linux format, I'd guess that ext4 would work (I don't have a drive formatted ext4 to test though). FAT32 works, but that's not much help for very large capacity drives.
Just read this from Android central.
http://www.androidcentral.com/purpo...ak-ahead-mwc?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
If true, I look forward to jumping from Tegra 2 to 3!
(Crosses fingers...please have unlockable bootloader..)
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Update. Fake rumor http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-3-rumor-isnt-real-we-wish-it-was
Access denied trying to view that page. I also like the jump. I feel like the atrix 2 was a major let down, it also didnt get a lot of attention from the carrier and marketing wise, hopefully the 3 is much improved.
And it should have an FP scanner as well
I don't know if I really should buy something from MOTO again.
But I never ever buy an Android phone without testing it.
Things like 1080p playback, USB stability, stability in general and of course an open bootloader are more important for me than great hardware specs.
I want more stability!
Use the fuc...... hardware this time!
But the Atrix 3 looks really well.
Hope that MOTO learned from their stupid decisions...
Motorola Atrix 4G AT&T unlocked
Nice, Tegra 3 is the future.
I was disapointed to not see Tegra in the Atrix 2, thought Moto gave up on nvidia.
jzaslice said:
Just read this from Android central.
http://www.androidcentral.com/purpo...ak-ahead-mwc?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
If true, I look forward to jumping from Tegra 2 to 3!
(Crosses fingers...please have unlockable bootloader..)
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Color me skeptical. The photos look like someone took an Atrix 4G and slapped some crude signs next to them. Notice that there's nothing on the display itself, just a blank screen. It may be legit, but like the article said, it could be a fake, so I'm not putting any stock in it until there's confirmation.
This phone is worth getting if our amazing devs move to it. But spec wise looks promising
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Its too late for me. A Sony phone or galaxy s3 for me. The unlocked bootloaders from the beginning attracts all kinds and a lot of devs. Plus Samsung encourages custom ROMS. They're getting to be a better OEM since the galaxy s2 line. Shoot, there's an ICS ROM leak for a couple of American galaxy s2 phones as we speak! When is some of Motorola's phone's update? Q3...
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nay.
you've been duped!
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-3-rumor-isnt-real-we-wish-it-was
Wow whatta fail. Android Central is usually the last place I get my android news but this rumor seemed a bit intriguing. Oh well...maybe a samsung will be next for me.
ifalldownalot said:
nay.
you've been duped!
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-3-rumor-isnt-real-we-wish-it-was
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2gb ram would be nice but that just means more likely not happening.
We've been stuck at this 1gb ram for a while now....
KingKuba13 said:
2gb ram would be nice but that just means more likely not happening.
We've been stuck at this 1gb ram for a while now....
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What the hell am I going to do with 2GB of ram and a quad core cpu on my phone ?
Render 3D animations? LOL
Linux, anyone?
Motorola Atrix 4G AT&T unlocked
I would love 2GB of RAM and more internal memory than the regular Atrix(32GB instead of 16GB).
I don't really care that much if its a quad-core and dual-core because the software barely takes advantage of the dual core processor if they are going to go with quad-cores now then make the processors take advantage of software for once with apps and video games as well as being able to play HD videos of different formats.
I would settle for a nice dual core 1.5-1.7 Ghz processor that is battery efficient
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I don't really care that much if its a quad-core and dual-core because the software barely takes advantage of the dual core processor if they are going to go with quad-cores now then make the processors take advantage of software for once with apps and video games as well as being able to play HD videos of different formats.
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exactly why I plan on keeping my phone for a long time.
it's fake . i Thing the gonna build razor 2 or droid 5 with better qwerty
"It's shopped, I can tell by the pixels" . Though I did have my doubts by look since it looks a similar shape of our atrix, but with the hardware buttons blacked out and the logo flipped to the bottom. If it is true (slim chance), I think the 2 gigs of ram would be overkill for most users, save power users and linux folks. Well we shall see in time I guess.
That sucks! I was really looking forward to that phone if it was real! That would have been a monster of a battery in the thing. Week long use anyone?