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[Q] HD2's Multitouch Visible Test

Nexus One has the multitouch problem. it's axis and coordination are a bit off when using multitouch.
I was never able to confirm this on my device because I was always on WiinMo; However, we have android now -d
Using the Android "Multitouch Visible Test" application from marketplace, I've noticed that everything seems to be working find on the HD2 and I am not getting any weird results.
Can anyone else confirm how theirs is doing?
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-aria-multitouch-test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmVyfKzv2o0&feature=player_embedded#!

lemonspeakers said:
Nexus One has the multitouch problem. it's axis and coordination are a bit off when using multitouch.
I was never able to confirm this on my device because I was always on WiinMo; However, we have android now -d
Using the Android "Multitouch Visible Test" application from marketplace, I've noticed that everything seems to be working find on the HD2 and I am not getting any weird results.
Can anyone else confirm how theirs is doing?
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-aria-multitouch-test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmVyfKzv2o0&feature=player_embedded#!
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I have tried and tested my HD2 (TMOUS) running Bangsters latest android ROM and I dont have a problem with MT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T

the hd2 seems to pack better screen digitizer than most htc android devices even better than its sister the evo 4g look at this video and read the comments
multitouch issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P9vMAvvkGY
touch sensor lag issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOje7dcRlo&feature=related

the hd2's touch screen really is impressive. as far as i can tell its just as good as the iphones touch screen.
i remember from having a g1 which used a cheaper capacitive screen only being able to register 2 points as long as they wernt on the same horizontal or vertical plane, if yuou did it would average out to the middle between the 2 fingers. so it wasnt a true multi touch screen.
can i remind you guys that this is development, this really belongs in the android general, or even q and a.
this forum really is getting littered with posts that do not belong, and its making finding usefull info difficult

Linkman8x said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
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Stop using the tip of your finger. Do you have dry hands? Use the pad of your finger as opposed to the tips.

PoisonWolf said:
Stop using the tip of your finger. Do you have dry hands? Use the pad of your finger as opposed to the tips.
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This issues is known by some HTC HD2. The installed display are not the same.
The problem is on Windows Mobile as well. I've tested other HD2 in Market, they dont have this issues.

Multitouch is great.
But when i play nova and have two touch dots on same y axis (in landscape) both dots move together along the y axis.
So when im moving with left pad and trying to look up on left ped im having problems.
I moved the walk and look pads in NOVA on different axis. But its harder to play that way than its originaly intended.

my HD2 in this test works wery well no faults with axis and lag is almost invisible

I have the same issues! ..the thing is.. i can't fix it.. there's no HTC in my country! if i send it by mail i would risk it would brake or never see it again!

Linkman8x said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
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Well then u have a HTC HD2 of the 1. or the 2. Generation
with the new one u have no Touchscreen issues
see YT for more informations

HD2 Multi Touch?

Sorry that I keep asking noob questions today! I was wondering does the HD2 have multi touch in Android? Dont really care about Windows mobile. For stuff like pinch to zoom in browser or games like Nova with need multi touch?
Thanks.

Pinch to zoom on browser, maps ect. Yes.. as far as the game Idk..
Sent from my HTC Vision HD2

edit: never mind my previous post. forgot we were talking about android.
afaik multitouch on hd2 with android works pretty good everywhere. cant remember any games in particular, but it works everywhere else that it should work

runningdap said:
well, the answer is both yes and no...
hd2's captive screen allows multitouch, but because winmo is a really old OS they didn't really updated it so that it supports multitouch 100%.
On the other hand, if you run android on hd2, you can see multitouch working pretty good though.
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Great thanks to both of you that is great to hear! If someone wants to tell me it works in games too I would be super happy. Not just Nova that was just the first multi touch game that came to mind.

multitouch works with newton cradle at least.

HD2 Does not support True multi touch. As you can see when you touch both finger on screen then when both finger on the same line your multi touch will freeze. USe market multitouch visulisation 2 to test it and you will know what i mean.

i think it assumes two fingers but more it doesn't work. does desire hd solve this isue?

devilonline said:
i think it assumes two fingers but more it doesn't work. does desire hd solve this isue?
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Yes, the DHD is able to recognize up to 4 fingers and thus 4 different moves.
That's because of the built in clearpad 3000. It even supports up to ten fingers. But this depends on the driver.

Multitouch problems...

Hi,
how is your experience with multitouch on the HD2? For me many games with multitouch don't work correct. Multitouch zooming works, but also doesn't really really work perfect.
How is your experience? Is this a hardware problem of the HD2 as WM6.5 didn't support multitouch so this wasn't necessary? Or is this a driver problem that might be improved by other WP7 roms?
max

maxpg said:
Hi,
how is your experience with multitouch on the HD2? For me many games with multitouch don't work correct. Multitouch zooming works, but also doesn't really really work perfect.
How is your experience? Is this a hardware problem of the HD2 as WM6.5 didn't support multitouch so this wasn't necessary? Or is this a driver problem that might be improved by other WP7 roms?
max
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WP7 is designed for 4 point multitouch and the HD2 is only 2 point. Just dont put your fingers so close together.

For me it doesn't even really work with 2 Fingers. When I have a game where i have to press a "button" for right and another "button" on the other end of the screen to jump this doesn't really work...

jase33 said:
WP7 is designed for 4 point multitouch and the HD2 is only 2 point. Just dont put your fingers so close together.
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you really don't know what you are talking about , how an os with 4 point multitouch won't recognize two points accuratly , it is just driver issue

[Q] Multitouch

no news about multitouch fix?

nikola360 said:
no news about multitouch fix?
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I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones

dazza9075 said:
I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones
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yet .

Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express

THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
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ir's not 4 point we're going for, it's stable working 2 point that we want. By the time 4 point is actually useful and common, all of the current WP7 devices will have obsolete hardware anyways

THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
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On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))

avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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yes and who is going to develope and release a driver for an old device that isnt even supposed to have WP7 on it?
at the very best, we can get a driver that is pretty much compatible with our device but since its not for our device we cant expect it to work properly.

avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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The digitizer itself is limited to two point multi-touch. Its a hardware limitation not a software one, and it isn't anything that can be patched with a driver.

No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?

Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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No it is hardware limited, that post has been proven wrong.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA Premium App

avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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Since when has Android working 4 point multitouch on Leo? At least for me not even 2 Point multitouch is working perfectly fine on Android e.g. the axes problem...

Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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Did you actually read that post? The proof in that post is the word of some random customer service rep. While every actual developer who has worked with the HD2 touchscreen, including cotulla, who wrote the drivers for android port, have said that they are sure that it's a hardware limitation of 2 point multitouch.

Ok, sry. I just took a quick look at it, but anyways, the driver for WP7 is a bit buggy when using 2 fingers.
On my device it often jumps back and forth...

I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.

^Why are you here? Just looking for an opportunity to slate wp7?^

No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.

Pagnell said:
No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.
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im just sick of hearing about how much better android is in these forums

Pagnell said:
I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.
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multitouch works ok in many games and apps I think... I'll have to do some testing to make sure, but I thought it was only when trying to pinch to zoom that you had to get both fingers on screen at once. The multitouch on the HD2 doesn't really ruin much on WP7... I usually don't notice. But maybe I'm just not trying enough apps.

how good is the legend's dual touch experience ?!

hey guys i wanna know if the legend's dual touch is good enough to play games that require you to press 2 buttons @ the same time ! thanks

2 is fine, if the app only requires two touches. Otherwise, you're out of luck, because there points on the screen doesn't work. Hardware doesn't support it.
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA App

Asovse1 said:
2 is fine, if the app only requires two touches. Otherwise, you're out of luck, because there points on the screen doesn't work. Hardware doesn't support it.
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA App
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yes let's say playing with emulators on it is fine , lets say you can run and jump at the same time no problem , right ? thanks for your kind reply
Edit : just hit the thanks button

skyboyextreme said:
yes let's say playing with emulators on it is fine , lets say you can run and jump at the same time no problem , right ? thanks for your kind reply
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just hit his thanks button and i also hope that our x8 is DT capable

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh, not necessarily. I use Gameboid a LOT, and I must depend on the Legend's hardware buttons (unfortunately) to play effectively.
Here's an example of where it fails: Let's say you were jumping diagonally, or required a control where you would need to have points on Up (Dpad) + Right (Dpad) + A. Putting one finger between Up + Right, and putting the other finger on A would screw the screen up and it would think you'd be pressing B and Down (Dpad). Not the greatest.
The hardware buttons I have set up for the Legend on Gameboid are: A = trackpad button, B = BACK button, Search for Right Trigger. On games such as Super Mario Advance 2 where I occasionally have to fly, I put my finger on the Dpad, right thumb on B (screen), and index finger on trackball.
It's pretty difficult to get used to, but play around with the controls, it'll get comfortable eventually.

Asovse1 said:
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh, not necessarily. I use Gameboid a LOT, and I must depend on the Legend's hardware buttons (unfortunately) to play effectively.
Here's an example of where it fails: Let's say you were jumping diagonally, or required a control where you would need to have points on Up (Dpad) + Right (Dpad) + A. Putting one finger between Up + Right, and putting the other finger on A would screw the screen up and it would think you'd be pressing B and Down (Dpad). Not the greatest.
The hardware buttons I have set up for the Legend on Gameboid are: A = trackpad button, B = BACK button, Search for Right Trigger. On games such as Super Mario Advance 2 where I occasionally have to fly, I put my finger on the Dpad, right thumb on B (screen), and index finger on trackball.
It's pretty difficult to get used to, but play around with the controls, it'll get comfortable eventually.
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thanks again , so it's no nothing that we can call "Dual Touch"

Having pinch-to-zoom at the very, very least is quite handy, I'll admit.
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA App

Thanks for all the help you rock lol
Sent from my X8 using xda premium

Ive use dual screen touch on the legend using Snesoid, PES 2011, Fifi and a few others. It wasn't a great experience and I gave up. Snesoid runs ok but slows down badly once you touch the screen, touch it twice and, well its not worth it. The CPU just doesn't seem to cope with these games and touch at the same time. They all work fine on a HTC desire using touch I found.

NX3 said:
Ive use dual screen touch on the legend using Snesoid, PES 2011, Fifi and a few others. It wasn't a great experience and I gave up. Snesoid runs ok but slows down badly once you touch the screen, touch it twice and, well its not worth it. The CPU just doesn't seem to cope with these games and touch at the same time. They all work fine on a HTC desire using touch I found.
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Does the desire got a much better dual touch well I guess it uses a clearpad 2000 unlike the legend that uses clearpad 1000....
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Not sure its the screen more that I'm doing stuff very cpu intensive like emulation or gaming and the additional overhead of inputs via touchscreen is too much. No not time critical apps like zooming maps the legend responds very well. Snesoid works better with sound off, free's up a few more cpu cycles it seems.

Try this app from the Market, it will give you an idea of how our multi-touch (or rather, lack of) works:
https://market.android.com/details?id=org.metalev.multitouch.visualizer2&hl=en
Then try it on other devices if you have the chance to!

Asovse1 said:
Try this app from the Market, it will give you an idea of how our multi-touch (or rather, lack of) works:
https://market.android.com/details?id=org.metalev.multitouch.visualizer2&hl=en
Then try it on other devices if you have the chance to!
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Thanks! This looks better than the other testing app I was using which was just red and blue circles.