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Nexus One has the multitouch problem. it's axis and coordination are a bit off when using multitouch.
I was never able to confirm this on my device because I was always on WiinMo; However, we have android now -d
Using the Android "Multitouch Visible Test" application from marketplace, I've noticed that everything seems to be working find on the HD2 and I am not getting any weird results.
Can anyone else confirm how theirs is doing?
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-aria-multitouch-test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmVyfKzv2o0&feature=player_embedded#!
lemonspeakers said:
Nexus One has the multitouch problem. it's axis and coordination are a bit off when using multitouch.
I was never able to confirm this on my device because I was always on WiinMo; However, we have android now -d
Using the Android "Multitouch Visible Test" application from marketplace, I've noticed that everything seems to be working find on the HD2 and I am not getting any weird results.
Can anyone else confirm how theirs is doing?
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-aria-multitouch-test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmVyfKzv2o0&feature=player_embedded#!
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I have tried and tested my HD2 (TMOUS) running Bangsters latest android ROM and I dont have a problem with MT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
the hd2 seems to pack better screen digitizer than most htc android devices even better than its sister the evo 4g look at this video and read the comments
multitouch issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P9vMAvvkGY
touch sensor lag issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOje7dcRlo&feature=related
the hd2's touch screen really is impressive. as far as i can tell its just as good as the iphones touch screen.
i remember from having a g1 which used a cheaper capacitive screen only being able to register 2 points as long as they wernt on the same horizontal or vertical plane, if yuou did it would average out to the middle between the 2 fingers. so it wasnt a true multi touch screen.
can i remind you guys that this is development, this really belongs in the android general, or even q and a.
this forum really is getting littered with posts that do not belong, and its making finding usefull info difficult
Linkman8x said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
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Stop using the tip of your finger. Do you have dry hands? Use the pad of your finger as opposed to the tips.
PoisonWolf said:
Stop using the tip of your finger. Do you have dry hands? Use the pad of your finger as opposed to the tips.
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This issues is known by some HTC HD2. The installed display are not the same.
The problem is on Windows Mobile as well. I've tested other HD2 in Market, they dont have this issues.
Multitouch is great.
But when i play nova and have two touch dots on same y axis (in landscape) both dots move together along the y axis.
So when im moving with left pad and trying to look up on left ped im having problems.
I moved the walk and look pads in NOVA on different axis. But its harder to play that way than its originaly intended.
my HD2 in this test works wery well no faults with axis and lag is almost invisible
I have the same issues! ..the thing is.. i can't fix it.. there's no HTC in my country! if i send it by mail i would risk it would brake or never see it again!
Linkman8x said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
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Well then u have a HTC HD2 of the 1. or the 2. Generation
with the new one u have no Touchscreen issues
see YT for more informations
Hi,
how is your experience with multitouch on the HD2? For me many games with multitouch don't work correct. Multitouch zooming works, but also doesn't really really work perfect.
How is your experience? Is this a hardware problem of the HD2 as WM6.5 didn't support multitouch so this wasn't necessary? Or is this a driver problem that might be improved by other WP7 roms?
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maxpg said:
Hi,
how is your experience with multitouch on the HD2? For me many games with multitouch don't work correct. Multitouch zooming works, but also doesn't really really work perfect.
How is your experience? Is this a hardware problem of the HD2 as WM6.5 didn't support multitouch so this wasn't necessary? Or is this a driver problem that might be improved by other WP7 roms?
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WP7 is designed for 4 point multitouch and the HD2 is only 2 point. Just dont put your fingers so close together.
For me it doesn't even really work with 2 Fingers. When I have a game where i have to press a "button" for right and another "button" on the other end of the screen to jump this doesn't really work...
jase33 said:
WP7 is designed for 4 point multitouch and the HD2 is only 2 point. Just dont put your fingers so close together.
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you really don't know what you are talking about , how an os with 4 point multitouch won't recognize two points accuratly , it is just driver issue
hi i have been have a very big problem with the multitouch on the HD2 running in android NAND the best way of showing this is using the app multitouch visualizer 2 which is free on the market its shows that when the touching two points on the screen when two axis become near each other from the vertical axis or the horizontal it will move both points that are being touched
is anyone working on this problem and if so are you working on more than 2 point multitouch for the HD2 android
chappersjohn said:
hi i have been have a very big problem with the multitouch on the HD2 running in android NAND the best way of showing this is using the app multitouch visualizer 2 which is free on the market its shows that when the touching two points on the screen when two axis become near each other from the vertical axis or the horizontal it will move both points that are being touched
is anyone working on this problem and if so are you working on more than 2 point multitouch for the HD2 android
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You should post this in the right section Android Q&A
The multi touch is a known issue. There are debates on whether or not the HD2 supports more than two fingers also, but that is irrelevant right now, as two finger multi touch doesn't even work properly. However we also don't know if it is the HD2 that simply can't handle the two finger touch or is it the drivers.
Now iunno if anyone is actually even going to bother with the problem as the only times the problem is an annoyance, is during gaming, but that is, gaming with a joystick and etc. So I don't think devs are actually going to bother with a problem they don't even know whether its the device or software.
ah...
but since it only support two touch i think mine got a lil bit problem with 2 touch,
like it will get trouble when i am trying to put 2nd touch... like playing gt game, which im breaking it also react my steering that makes me unable to play it...
so it is cant be fix then?
thank for the information then
The hd2 can only support 2 touches, there is no problem with axis inversion , although when the two points are close to each other they lock and that is a hardware problem
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hentyanto said:
ah...
but since it only support two touch i think mine got a lil bit problem with 2 touch,
like it will get trouble when i am trying to put 2nd touch... like playing gt game, which im breaking it also react my steering that makes me unable to play it...
so it is cant be fix then?
thank for the information then
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No, can't be fixed. When the touch touches are near the same axis, they will both show touches on the same axis. Pretty sure it's a hardware problem. This is one of the big points I always tell people when they're trying to decide between HD2 and a native android phone, along with the fact the HD2 screen is only 56,000 colors compared to 4million a native device has.
well if it is a hardware problem can some one give me a link to a source that shows this
chappersjohn said:
well if it is a hardware problem can some one give me a link to a source that shows this
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Why would you need a source, it has been proven changing the code wont do anything it is know that these panels have issues with point locking
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chappersjohn said:
well if it is a hardware problem can some one give me a link to a source that shows this
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I'm not about to dig up old threads about the touchscreen driver development or irc logs... any of the devs that have worked on drivers for the touchscreen have said this. I remember seeing cotulla discussing it in irc sometime in the last few months. Touchscreen is not going to get any better than it is right now... there has been a lot of work on it over the last year and a half.
i resume this thread to notice that isn't an android issue... it happend on windows mobile also.. and is irritating..
daevoq said:
i resume this thread to notice that isn't an android issue... it happend on windows mobile also.. and is irritating..
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yeah, hardware normally doesnt change when moving to another os
M..N said:
...there is no problem with axis inversion , ..
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There is definitely axis inversion and a few other bugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8ipacbcao
The Hd2 is single-touch and pinch-to-zoom.
It was never intended to have multitouch or android.
well... let this multitouch be for pinch to zoom only but this issue is disturbing while normal tapping on the keyboard.... You tap next letter of your word and You don't release the previous letter so this "next" letter won't be recieved. The touch runs between my fingers, look :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTsvyRh3fqE
gogodu5sU said:
There is definitely axis inversion and a few other bugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8ipacbcao
The Hd2 is single-touch and pinch-to-zoom.
It was never intended to have multitouch or android.
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It is not single touch, it dual touch not true multitouch axis inversion is happening in the video as they are putting the fingers to code to the edge of the screen so its messing up.
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Is the keyboard multi-touch? Many keyboards aren't and can only receive a single input at a time so even if you type really quickly, you need to make sure you left one finger completely off the screen before typing the next. I can type pretty fast using the HTC_IME that comes with multi-touch. I mean, you can't hit "shift+a" to get a capital "A" but you can hit a key before letting go of another key and the keyboard will still pick up the correct keystrokes most of the time.
M..N said:
It is not single touch, it dual touch
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Dual touch mode allows a two sensor system to track the absolute location of two simultaneous events provided that they are located in different regions of the screen.
What you mean is Dual Control or Gesture Input aka pinch-to-zoom.
M..N said:
It is not true multitouch axis inversion
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yeah, it's virtual...your Multi Dual Touch...
h.nocturna said:
...keyboard will still pick up the correct keystrokes most of the time.
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because the first pressed button gets released first
When I was using MDJ_FroYo_Revolution_v._2.1_NAND, i think, Multitouch was doing well. There were no such thing like multitouch problem, even while crossing the fingers. Now I'm using BOYPPC-SHIFTPDA GINGER 2.3.3_V10 and I have problem with multitouch. I'm 100% sure that I was using some ROM with well working multitouch. Maybe someone should check it?
Sorry for poor English...
Edit: I was not MDJ_FroYo_Revolution_v._2.1_NAND. When i figure out, I will make a video for a prove.
where is the proof?
arhanghel92 said:
where is the proof?
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Umm I starting to think that i was dreaming... -.-'
Honestly i have no problems with multitouch either using Gingerbread .
There s a couple other things that are a lil quirky but nothing that would make it unusable
no news about multitouch fix?
nikola360 said:
no news about multitouch fix?
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I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones
dazza9075 said:
I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones
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yet .
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
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THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
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ir's not 4 point we're going for, it's stable working 2 point that we want. By the time 4 point is actually useful and common, all of the current WP7 devices will have obsolete hardware anyways
THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
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On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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yes and who is going to develope and release a driver for an old device that isnt even supposed to have WP7 on it?
at the very best, we can get a driver that is pretty much compatible with our device but since its not for our device we cant expect it to work properly.
avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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The digitizer itself is limited to two point multi-touch. Its a hardware limitation not a software one, and it isn't anything that can be patched with a driver.
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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No it is hardware limited, that post has been proven wrong.
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On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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Since when has Android working 4 point multitouch on Leo? At least for me not even 2 Point multitouch is working perfectly fine on Android e.g. the axes problem...
Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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Did you actually read that post? The proof in that post is the word of some random customer service rep. While every actual developer who has worked with the HD2 touchscreen, including cotulla, who wrote the drivers for android port, have said that they are sure that it's a hardware limitation of 2 point multitouch.
Ok, sry. I just took a quick look at it, but anyways, the driver for WP7 is a bit buggy when using 2 fingers.
On my device it often jumps back and forth...
I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.
^Why are you here? Just looking for an opportunity to slate wp7?^
No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.
Pagnell said:
No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.
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im just sick of hearing about how much better android is in these forums
Pagnell said:
I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.
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multitouch works ok in many games and apps I think... I'll have to do some testing to make sure, but I thought it was only when trying to pinch to zoom that you had to get both fingers on screen at once. The multitouch on the HD2 doesn't really ruin much on WP7... I usually don't notice. But maybe I'm just not trying enough apps.
I am going to buy HTC HD2 or HTC Desire HD.
1)From what I know hd2 was made to work with Windows Mobile but supports Android, I wanted to know if the HD2 will run Android smoothly without problems & bugs? Android Market works?
2)The HD2's touch is smooth while running Android? or it has delays?
3) How the Desire HD is different from the HD2? I know the camera is better in desire hd and also the RAM is a bit higher, but what else
4)HD2 works perfectly with Android 2.3 Gingerbread?
5)The phone memory in the HD2 is lower than the Desire HD, wanted to know if it's making a big difference.
6)Desire HD run games/Apps faster than HD2?
That's all for now, thanks for helper
koloko12 said:
I am going to buy HTC HD2 or HTC Desire HD.
1)From what I know hd2 was made to work with Windows Mobile but supports Android, I wanted to know if the HD2 will run Android smoothly without problems & bugs? Android Market works?
2)The HD2's touch is smooth while running Android? or it has delays?
3) How the Desire HD is different from the HD2? I know the camera is better in desire hd and also the RAM is a bit higher, but what else
4)HD2 works perfectly with Android 2.3 Gingerbread?
5)The phone memory in the HD2 is lower than the Desire HD, wanted to know if it's making a big difference.
6)Desire HD run games/Apps faster than HD2?
That's all for now, thanks for helper
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1)HD2 runs android smoothly imho... android 4.0 may have a few problems but thats like every other device
2)im running sense 3.5 which is gingerbread and the touch screen is very responsive no delay
3)dont know anything about the desire but i know that the roms for desire get ported to hd2 so we get there roms anyway
4)as i said earlier gingerbread sense 3.5 is great (using the ENERGY rom)
5) i dont thik the less memory makes a difference i have installed a fair few apps and still have room to spare
6)app/game speed differs between devices some may be faster on hd2 than desire you never know... i find the apps are quite fast
hope this helps
Thanks MkBy for the fast response, here are some more things I would Like to know
1)What you suggest to buy?
2)Which one is cheaper?
3)I might buy one of them from someone (not new from shop), what should I check to make sure the phone is working well and without problems?
koloko12 said:
Thanks MkBy for the fast response, here are some more things I would Like to know
1)What you suggest to buy?
2)Which one is cheaper?
3)I might buy one of them from someone (not new from shop), what should I check to make sure the phone is working well and without problems?
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I haven't used the DHD too much so I can't say which is better but 0my HD2 on CM7 appeared to keep up in performance in terms of scrolling, web browsing, opening apps etc. (i.e. not benchmarks) with my friend's DHD on CM7, and I would guess the HD2 is cheaper but the HD2 is absolutely terrible for playing HD games or games involving multitouch. In order for HD games to run smoothly you have to sacrifice either speed or graphics, and the HD2's screen only supports 2 points which is a massive let down for me. As much as I love the HD2, if it were up to me and both were around the same price I would go for the DHD, even if it is a slight bit more expensive
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the HD2's screen only supports 2 points which is a massive let down for me
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You mean that if I will try touch the screen on HD2 with three fingers it will detect only two of them?
koloko12 said:
You mean that if I will try touch the screen on HD2 with three fingers it will detect only two of them?
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Yes, unfortunately It does that very poorly as well, I can't describe it but sometimes it appears to lock the two points together if they are on the same line if you know what I mean, it's quite difficult to describe.
Let's compare the Touch screen to SE Xperia's touch screen, I know that in Xperia you can work with 2 fingers and even more, HD2 can work with 2 fingers like Xperia does? I mean same quality of touch
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Let's compare the Touch screen to SE Xperia's touch screen, I know that in Xperia you can work with 2 fingers and even more, HD2 can work with 2 fingers like Xperia does? I mean same quality of touch
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1 Finger flawless
2 Fingers decent
3+ Fingers doesn't work
NONE OF THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INNUENDO
As I said before, I might buy one of them from someone (not new from shop), what should I check to make sure the phone is working well and without problems?
I have an HD2 and am currently running the Energy ROM with sense 3.5 and Gingerbread. The screen is extremely responsive and over all the phone works great. I would recommend getting the HD2. It is one of the best phone out there as far as specs go and it isn't that expensive anymore.
If you want to buy a second-hand HD2, I would like to suggest you to check:
1. 3G data connection (refer to This)
2. Button response
3. Camera flashlight
4. Record video for 5 mins
5. earphone jack and some MP3
6. blue tooth file transfer
7. speaker
8. GPS in some navigation apps
9. Wifi of course
10.Ninja fruit for multi-touch test
Better bring a TF card with files or pics you want to test.
Since my HD2 has data connection freeze issue, I suggest you to buy a whole new handset like ONE X (if you like htc), with warranty. All these unsolved problems on HD2 are driving me crazy.
I'm running hd2 with ics tytung v1.5 with little to no known problems other than music app fc'ing. Their is a touch issue, namely screen lag, but I only notice it when playing games at a fast pace. Hd2's seem to regarded as highly adaptable as well. Not sure about dhd.
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1 Finger flawless
2 Fingers decent
3+ Fingers doesn't work
NONE OF THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INNUENDO
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LOLOL
I think if you need faster device, Desire HD is choice (i see from the specifiaction..), but if you need monster device, HD2 is choice,,,,
It can running a lot of OS,,,
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I'm running hd2 with ics tytung v1.5 with little to no known problems other than music app fc'ing. Their is a touch issue, namely screen lag, but I only notice it when playing games at a fast pace. Hd2's seem to regarded as highly adaptable as well. Not sure about dhd.
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Hi dooshbag45, I am thinking of changing my gingerbread rom to ICS. My current rom keeps rebooting when I am using headphone to listen to music. If i use loudspeaker it does not reboot. I have even had to think twice buying a beats audio headphone because of this problem. Does the ICS rom that you're using only fc or rebooting also? Is it only when you're using the default music app or also with third party app? Mine even reboots when i am using winamp.
hd2 pros
Many OS available (android, wp7, Ubuntu, etc)
Great screen (for devices age)
EASILY nodded
Cons
Touchscreen issues - using more than one finger recognition, failing digitizer (design flaw)
Data drop (happens to some, a simple disconnect/reconnect solves)
1 rear 5mp cam
Specs are showing their age but still hang with the best of em!!!
I've had a hands on with a friends DHD so the below is based on a QUICK hands on
DHD pros
Native android
Slight advantage on HD2 (hardware specs)
Cons
Smaller screen
You want android ... You're stuck with it!
Cons
Smaller screen
You want android ... You're stuck with it!
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Incorrect. The Desire HD has a screen of 4.3", which is as large as the HD2.
Hi
I've used both. And both are great devices too. The only drawback for both of em are lack of front cam. But IMHO go for a newer model. Like sensation and EVO 3d. You may get it cheaper also.
But the final decision be yours.
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