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Nexus One has the multitouch problem. it's axis and coordination are a bit off when using multitouch.
I was never able to confirm this on my device because I was always on WiinMo; However, we have android now -d
Using the Android "Multitouch Visible Test" application from marketplace, I've noticed that everything seems to be working find on the HD2 and I am not getting any weird results.
Can anyone else confirm how theirs is doing?
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-aria-multitouch-test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmVyfKzv2o0&feature=player_embedded#!
lemonspeakers said:
Nexus One has the multitouch problem. it's axis and coordination are a bit off when using multitouch.
I was never able to confirm this on my device because I was always on WiinMo; However, we have android now -d
Using the Android "Multitouch Visible Test" application from marketplace, I've noticed that everything seems to be working find on the HD2 and I am not getting any weird results.
Can anyone else confirm how theirs is doing?
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-aria-multitouch-test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmVyfKzv2o0&feature=player_embedded#!
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I have tried and tested my HD2 (TMOUS) running Bangsters latest android ROM and I dont have a problem with MT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
the hd2 seems to pack better screen digitizer than most htc android devices even better than its sister the evo 4g look at this video and read the comments
multitouch issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P9vMAvvkGY
touch sensor lag issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOje7dcRlo&feature=related
the hd2's touch screen really is impressive. as far as i can tell its just as good as the iphones touch screen.
i remember from having a g1 which used a cheaper capacitive screen only being able to register 2 points as long as they wernt on the same horizontal or vertical plane, if yuou did it would average out to the middle between the 2 fingers. so it wasnt a true multi touch screen.
can i remind you guys that this is development, this really belongs in the android general, or even q and a.
this forum really is getting littered with posts that do not belong, and its making finding usefull info difficult
Linkman8x said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
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Stop using the tip of your finger. Do you have dry hands? Use the pad of your finger as opposed to the tips.
PoisonWolf said:
Stop using the tip of your finger. Do you have dry hands? Use the pad of your finger as opposed to the tips.
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This issues is known by some HTC HD2. The installed display are not the same.
The problem is on Windows Mobile as well. I've tested other HD2 in Market, they dont have this issues.
Multitouch is great.
But when i play nova and have two touch dots on same y axis (in landscape) both dots move together along the y axis.
So when im moving with left pad and trying to look up on left ped im having problems.
I moved the walk and look pads in NOVA on different axis. But its harder to play that way than its originaly intended.
my HD2 in this test works wery well no faults with axis and lag is almost invisible
I have the same issues! ..the thing is.. i can't fix it.. there's no HTC in my country! if i send it by mail i would risk it would brake or never see it again!
Linkman8x said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUJFLIfYiY
This is my HD2, the touchscreen sucks T_T
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Well then u have a HTC HD2 of the 1. or the 2. Generation
with the new one u have no Touchscreen issues
see YT for more informations
Sorry that I keep asking noob questions today! I was wondering does the HD2 have multi touch in Android? Dont really care about Windows mobile. For stuff like pinch to zoom in browser or games like Nova with need multi touch?
Thanks.
Pinch to zoom on browser, maps ect. Yes.. as far as the game Idk..
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edit: never mind my previous post. forgot we were talking about android.
afaik multitouch on hd2 with android works pretty good everywhere. cant remember any games in particular, but it works everywhere else that it should work
runningdap said:
well, the answer is both yes and no...
hd2's captive screen allows multitouch, but because winmo is a really old OS they didn't really updated it so that it supports multitouch 100%.
On the other hand, if you run android on hd2, you can see multitouch working pretty good though.
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Great thanks to both of you that is great to hear! If someone wants to tell me it works in games too I would be super happy. Not just Nova that was just the first multi touch game that came to mind.
multitouch works with newton cradle at least.
HD2 Does not support True multi touch. As you can see when you touch both finger on screen then when both finger on the same line your multi touch will freeze. USe market multitouch visulisation 2 to test it and you will know what i mean.
i think it assumes two fingers but more it doesn't work. does desire hd solve this isue?
devilonline said:
i think it assumes two fingers but more it doesn't work. does desire hd solve this isue?
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Yes, the DHD is able to recognize up to 4 fingers and thus 4 different moves.
That's because of the built in clearpad 3000. It even supports up to ten fingers. But this depends on the driver.
hi i have been have a very big problem with the multitouch on the HD2 running in android NAND the best way of showing this is using the app multitouch visualizer 2 which is free on the market its shows that when the touching two points on the screen when two axis become near each other from the vertical axis or the horizontal it will move both points that are being touched
is anyone working on this problem and if so are you working on more than 2 point multitouch for the HD2 android
chappersjohn said:
hi i have been have a very big problem with the multitouch on the HD2 running in android NAND the best way of showing this is using the app multitouch visualizer 2 which is free on the market its shows that when the touching two points on the screen when two axis become near each other from the vertical axis or the horizontal it will move both points that are being touched
is anyone working on this problem and if so are you working on more than 2 point multitouch for the HD2 android
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You should post this in the right section Android Q&A
The multi touch is a known issue. There are debates on whether or not the HD2 supports more than two fingers also, but that is irrelevant right now, as two finger multi touch doesn't even work properly. However we also don't know if it is the HD2 that simply can't handle the two finger touch or is it the drivers.
Now iunno if anyone is actually even going to bother with the problem as the only times the problem is an annoyance, is during gaming, but that is, gaming with a joystick and etc. So I don't think devs are actually going to bother with a problem they don't even know whether its the device or software.
ah...
but since it only support two touch i think mine got a lil bit problem with 2 touch,
like it will get trouble when i am trying to put 2nd touch... like playing gt game, which im breaking it also react my steering that makes me unable to play it...
so it is cant be fix then?
thank for the information then
The hd2 can only support 2 touches, there is no problem with axis inversion , although when the two points are close to each other they lock and that is a hardware problem
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
hentyanto said:
ah...
but since it only support two touch i think mine got a lil bit problem with 2 touch,
like it will get trouble when i am trying to put 2nd touch... like playing gt game, which im breaking it also react my steering that makes me unable to play it...
so it is cant be fix then?
thank for the information then
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No, can't be fixed. When the touch touches are near the same axis, they will both show touches on the same axis. Pretty sure it's a hardware problem. This is one of the big points I always tell people when they're trying to decide between HD2 and a native android phone, along with the fact the HD2 screen is only 56,000 colors compared to 4million a native device has.
well if it is a hardware problem can some one give me a link to a source that shows this
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well if it is a hardware problem can some one give me a link to a source that shows this
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Why would you need a source, it has been proven changing the code wont do anything it is know that these panels have issues with point locking
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chappersjohn said:
well if it is a hardware problem can some one give me a link to a source that shows this
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I'm not about to dig up old threads about the touchscreen driver development or irc logs... any of the devs that have worked on drivers for the touchscreen have said this. I remember seeing cotulla discussing it in irc sometime in the last few months. Touchscreen is not going to get any better than it is right now... there has been a lot of work on it over the last year and a half.
i resume this thread to notice that isn't an android issue... it happend on windows mobile also.. and is irritating..
daevoq said:
i resume this thread to notice that isn't an android issue... it happend on windows mobile also.. and is irritating..
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yeah, hardware normally doesnt change when moving to another os
M..N said:
...there is no problem with axis inversion , ..
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There is definitely axis inversion and a few other bugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8ipacbcao
The Hd2 is single-touch and pinch-to-zoom.
It was never intended to have multitouch or android.
well... let this multitouch be for pinch to zoom only but this issue is disturbing while normal tapping on the keyboard.... You tap next letter of your word and You don't release the previous letter so this "next" letter won't be recieved. The touch runs between my fingers, look :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTsvyRh3fqE
gogodu5sU said:
There is definitely axis inversion and a few other bugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8ipacbcao
The Hd2 is single-touch and pinch-to-zoom.
It was never intended to have multitouch or android.
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It is not single touch, it dual touch not true multitouch axis inversion is happening in the video as they are putting the fingers to code to the edge of the screen so its messing up.
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Is the keyboard multi-touch? Many keyboards aren't and can only receive a single input at a time so even if you type really quickly, you need to make sure you left one finger completely off the screen before typing the next. I can type pretty fast using the HTC_IME that comes with multi-touch. I mean, you can't hit "shift+a" to get a capital "A" but you can hit a key before letting go of another key and the keyboard will still pick up the correct keystrokes most of the time.
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It is not single touch, it dual touch
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Dual touch mode allows a two sensor system to track the absolute location of two simultaneous events provided that they are located in different regions of the screen.
What you mean is Dual Control or Gesture Input aka pinch-to-zoom.
M..N said:
It is not true multitouch axis inversion
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yeah, it's virtual...your Multi Dual Touch...
h.nocturna said:
...keyboard will still pick up the correct keystrokes most of the time.
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because the first pressed button gets released first
When I was using MDJ_FroYo_Revolution_v._2.1_NAND, i think, Multitouch was doing well. There were no such thing like multitouch problem, even while crossing the fingers. Now I'm using BOYPPC-SHIFTPDA GINGER 2.3.3_V10 and I have problem with multitouch. I'm 100% sure that I was using some ROM with well working multitouch. Maybe someone should check it?
Sorry for poor English...
Edit: I was not MDJ_FroYo_Revolution_v._2.1_NAND. When i figure out, I will make a video for a prove.
where is the proof?
arhanghel92 said:
where is the proof?
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Umm I starting to think that i was dreaming... -.-'
Honestly i have no problems with multitouch either using Gingerbread .
There s a couple other things that are a lil quirky but nothing that would make it unusable
no news about multitouch fix?
nikola360 said:
no news about multitouch fix?
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I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones
dazza9075 said:
I personally think its very unlikely you will get any fix, the reason being, we are not ment to have this on our devices, we have slight differences to our phones that will complicate things. Multitouch its self is very different on teh HD2, being only 2 fingers.
WP7 isnt like WM, as it stands you cant chop and change ROMS, to make newer/more stable ones
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yet .
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
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THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
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ir's not 4 point we're going for, it's stable working 2 point that we want. By the time 4 point is actually useful and common, all of the current WP7 devices will have obsolete hardware anyways
THUDUK said:
Not sure the hd2 will ever have more than 2 point multitouch, its a hardware issue, the wp7 phones all have at least 4 point multitouch.
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On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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yes and who is going to develope and release a driver for an old device that isnt even supposed to have WP7 on it?
at the very best, we can get a driver that is pretty much compatible with our device but since its not for our device we cant expect it to work properly.
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On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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The digitizer itself is limited to two point multi-touch. Its a hardware limitation not a software one, and it isn't anything that can be patched with a driver.
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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No it is hardware limited, that post has been proven wrong.
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avpenkov said:
On Android 4 points multitouch works great, the tehnology is a little old but it works, just needs a right driver or some patch for WP7))
Its just a meter of time))
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Since when has Android working 4 point multitouch on Leo? At least for me not even 2 Point multitouch is working perfectly fine on Android e.g. the axes problem...
Hawkon said:
No, the two point multi-touch is software limited. See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651877
Is it possible to make a new driver for WP7 on the HD2?
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Did you actually read that post? The proof in that post is the word of some random customer service rep. While every actual developer who has worked with the HD2 touchscreen, including cotulla, who wrote the drivers for android port, have said that they are sure that it's a hardware limitation of 2 point multitouch.
Ok, sry. I just took a quick look at it, but anyways, the driver for WP7 is a bit buggy when using 2 fingers.
On my device it often jumps back and forth...
I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.
^Why are you here? Just looking for an opportunity to slate wp7?^
No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.
Pagnell said:
No, I'm discussing the subject at hand, which is multitouch and WP7's lack of it when run on the Leo.
Hope that helps.
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im just sick of hearing about how much better android is in these forums
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I find it truly amazing anyone would be interested in WP7 on the HD2 without a usable multitouch at least partly working. Having to press both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time makes playing even the most simple multitouch games almost impossible and even browsing and photo viewing becomes a chore. Then you have current fundamental omissions like copy/paste and you are left with a phone operating system which is little more than a joke when used on the Leo.
Still, each to their own but if you like the interface that much just use Launcher 7 on Android.
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multitouch works ok in many games and apps I think... I'll have to do some testing to make sure, but I thought it was only when trying to pinch to zoom that you had to get both fingers on screen at once. The multitouch on the HD2 doesn't really ruin much on WP7... I usually don't notice. But maybe I'm just not trying enough apps.
I am currently running a NAND Android build on my HD2.
I want to test out WP7. Is there a SD card build for WP7 instead? I don't want to erase my current NAND Android build, so is there a way to run WP7 from SD card instead?
nope, not yet, and in my opinion not very likely either
Was looking for something similar
Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
Pagnell said:
Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
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Isn't the multitouch a HW limitation? i expect to ever see that working correctly...
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Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
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its unlikey that there will be any fixes for anything, and to be honest its not an issue anyway, multi touch works fine, you just have to adapt a little.
I used WM then moved to Android for my social dealings and finally ive moved to a 100% WP device and you cant pay me to move back, wp is a rock solid OS that works well, I used to mod the crap out of WM and droid OSs now i really dont feel the need to and i dont miss not being able to do it either, its very odd to start with but a couple of weeks later and im converted!
Gotta agree with Dazza. I've used it exclusivley for three months now. It is nearly flawless. There are a few points where I know I am hitting limitations due to the hack (Multi touch works, just not flawlessly). but these are no more, in fact less so than the flaws I always seemed to hit running android and there is no comparison to old WM builds. Even with the awesome ROM's that were available towards the end.
Even without NoDo or Mango, even with multi touch that will never be more than 2 point and sometimes be slower to respond then I would like, this will see me through to my next upgrade when I'll get whatever the latest WP7 iron is and my HD2 will be nailed to my wall in homage to the most ground breaking phone I can remember. even 2 years later it's versatility keeps it in the game!
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Isn't the multitouch a HW limitation? i expect to ever see that working correctly...
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It technically is and isn't. HTC says that the HD2 can support more than 2 point multitouch, but the software limits it to 2. But that is for Windows Mobile 6.5! So, in theory, it can be fixed, but the process to do so is not worth it.
And if you really want to, you can run NAND Windows Phone 7 and SD Android together
dazza9075 said:
its unlikey that there will be any fixes for anything, and to be honest its not an issue anyway, multi touch works fine, you just have to adapt a little.
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Works fine? No it doesn't. You have to press your fingers on the screen at exactly the same time for it to be recognised. This makes playing multitouch games almost impossible and makes other multitouch features within the OS (browsing and photo viewing for example) a chore at best.
Still, if you're happy with it that's all that matters.
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It technically is and isn't. HTC says that the HD2 can support more than 2 point multitouch, but the software limits it to 2. But that is for Windows Mobile 6.5! So, in theory, it can be fixed, but the process to do so is not worth it.
And if you really want to, you can run NAND Windows Phone 7 and SD Android together
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HTC doesn't say it supports for the 2-point multitouch. One random customer service person that works at HTC who probably didn't know what they were talking about doesn't count as HTC saying that.
Every dev that has worked on the touch screen or drivers for it have said its a hardware limitation of 2 point... and it's not even true, full 2point touch... that touch sensor was actually only designed to do pinch to zoom, but the clever devs were able to write drivers that allow us as close to real 2point multitouch we'll get on the HD2. But there's the problem of if your 2 fingers get close to the same axis line, it will register them as on the same line. That happens with our touch screen because it was designed for only pinch to zoom type multitouch originally.
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Works fine? No it doesn't. You have to press your fingers on the screen at exactly the same time for it to be recognised. This makes playing multitouch games almost impossible and makes other multitouch features within the OS (browsing and photo viewing for example) a chore at best.
Still, if you're happy with it that's all that matters.
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thats very much open to ones needs, I dont really play games so for me, once you adapt your fingers to hit at the same time there isnt an issue.
Too much hatin' going on here... or should I say pessimism?
Everyone just remember how TERRIBLE android was when it was first ported to the HD2. As for WP7, the first build I tried after 3 months is almost FLAWLESS. It is so fast, smooth, you can get Live services running in a few moments with just a few tweaks AND you can dual boot with Android. I see WP7 improvements on the horizon.
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Too much hatin' going on here... or should I say pessimism?
Everyone just remember how TERRIBLE android was when it was first ported to the HD2. As for WP7, the first build I tried after 3 months is almost FLAWLESS. It is so fast, smooth, you can get Live services running in a few moments with just a few tweaks AND you can dual boot with Android. I see WP7 improvements on the horizon.
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im glade you do, i dont, but o be honest there is very little id want changed, bar wp7 updates, actual hd2 compatibility updates are unlikely to change in the near future
Thanks for the reply guys. I upgraded to Gingerbread and find it very stable with improved performance. I am no longer interested in WP7...
Good for you, OP. I used WP7 for a few weeks, but it was too slow, ate too much of my battery even on standby, had no decent free nav, had few decent apps that I needed, was horribly hamstrung, and offered an abominable web surfing experience. On the positive side, it was smooth as silk and the boot time was amazing.
I think it still has potential, but I'll wait for WP7.9 or whatever they'll call it. I live in the present and I can't waste time using an OS because of what I think it can be in the future.
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Seriously, you're not currently missing much, just stick with Android until the numerous WP7 issues on the Leo are fixed. Don't hold your breath though, there hasn't been much in the way of fixes since DFT released the original rom nearly three months ago. For example, multitouch (or the lack of it) is a major dealbreaker for me.
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I couldn't be bothered so much about multitouch, my Android has a that irritating zoom in icon on the web and pics anyway, I want to try WP7 but switch back to a NAND Droid when I feel like it. So seriously a WP7 SD version would take the cake.
farcry27 said:
I couldn't be bothered so much about multitouch, my Android has a that irritating zoom in icon on the web and pics anyway, I want to try WP7 but switch back to a NAND Droid when I feel like it. So seriously a WP7 SD version would take the cake.
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or you can back up your android ROM via CWM, so when you want to go back to Android after you check out WP7 you can just restore your nand droid via cwm in like 5 minutes.