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4G unlimited web?

Why is it not illegal to advertise and have us pay for 4G service that most of us don't receive? My bill says 4G not internet. I believe that is misleading. Yes I understand the service might not be available in all areas, but we are being forced to actually pay more for the same service.
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hammer4203 said:
Why is it not illegal to advertise and have us pay for 4G service that most of us don't receive? My bill says 4G not internet. I believe that is misleading. Yes I understand the service might not be available in all areas, but we are being forced to actually pay more for the same service.
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You're not forced to do anything and nobody owes anything to you. You pay as much as everybody else does. Don't like what you get with T-mobile - feel free to leave and get raped by any other carrier
Verizon - don't know what they got but it's expensive last time I checked.
Sprint $10 additional premium internet fee
AT&T - don't even get me started with them.
You wouldn't have to worry about none of this if you bough a JitterBug

You don't actually pay more for the data plan. They just call it 4G internet. It's the same price as the regular unlimited data plan. It's marketing spiff.
You can always call in to loyalty and see if you can't get the preferred android web. $20. Or go to another provider. You chose T-mo. You chose the MT4G. If you didn't want the data plan, they why did you get a smartphone?????

Remember to get the deal you have to agree to the $10 price hike. All I'm saying is they label it 4G and tout about it all the time and most of the tmo network is still on 2G. I was told to go and harass the local tmo manager about the slow network. That they actually have input on network upgrades. You know how they were suppose to change the tier frequencies over? Guess what. The government is trying not to release those now. Which in turn keeps us from moving up just to 3G. The courts finally ordered mississippi to release them. I can't really blame tmo for that. I get good service and respect from my local tmo store to make me stay. I even protested them when they tried to fire him.
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Remember to get the deal you have to agree to the $10 price hike.
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What hike? I'm on $25 unlimited web/400 text/mms plan and have been since I got G1, same thing with my wife who picked up G2. Price for new customers is higher, they have a choice and they can go anywhere else if they think they can find a better deal.
Existing customers grandfather plans, you just have to ask for it. Or, you can buy your phone outright and not have a data plan with it at all or just buy cheaper plan.
But in any case, everyone has a choice and if you think t-mobile does not fit your lifestyle or too expensive or has bad coverage - you have 14 days to change your mind and return the phone/cancel service.

Not exactly what I was trying to get across. They sell the 4G phone and make you upgrade to get the good price. The bill it as 4G unlimited web! That is considered fraud. We don't have anything but 2G here. It really has nothing to do with money at all! All I want is what they say I'm paying for. 4G! Actually I will settle on 3G.
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That's how they can subsidize that phone and sell it to your for $50 or $150, because you're paying for the data plan.

It's pointless....

LOL Its funny to see a thread like this, this is pretty much like us EVO users who complained about the $10 premium data add-on in the summer.
I'm just here to say that that grass isn't greener anywhere with this issue, just live with it or don't buy a "4G" capable phone.
Sprint & T-Mobile are the only two so far that are at least keeping 4G unlimited, vs. future AT&T & VZW's tietered (overage trap) solutions.

hammer4203 said:
Not exactly what I was trying to get across. They sell the 4G phone and make you upgrade to get the good price. The bill it as 4G unlimited web! That is considered fraud. We don't have anything but 2G here. It really has nothing to do with money at all! All I want is what they say I'm paying for. 4G! Actually I will settle on 3G.
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lol how ignorant are you? U get the phone for $150 when it retails for 500 or so... do you think tmobile is just giving their phones away at garage sale prices? you will pay for that phone over a length of time and increased data is one way they can do it... if they are only selling that phone with that certain data plan then be ready to pay their premium prices if u want that phone...
besides that, why would you buy a 4g phone and complain about not getting 4g when you do not even live somewhere that has 4g? come down to phoenix or head over to NY and you can have all the 4g you want, I assure you that you will get it and will get a little more what you pay for there...
anyway, my mom just picked this phone up yesterday, was 130 with her upgrade and buy 1 get one free assuming you had 2 lines to upgrade with... it was 15 for 200mb of data or 30 for unlimited (5gb) of data and they had a promotion for new data customers could get unlimited for 20 a month...
I really have no idea what you are ranting about... nothing they are doing is illegal... you have 4g capabilities, you just cannot use it where you live... tough luck buddy...

Just to shut this guy up here -
T-Mobile have 2 4G phones, the MT4G and the G2. Unlimited data plans for them are the same as you would pay on the Vibrant, the Cliq and the Behold II. What extra charge are you seeing?

borodin1 said:
You're not forced to do anything and nobody owes anything to you. You pay as much as everybody else does. Don't like what you get with T-mobile - feel free to leave and get raped by any other carrier
Verizon - don't know what they got but it's expensive last time I checked.
Sprint $10 additional premium internet fee
AT&T - don't even get me started with them.
You wouldn't have to worry about none of this if you bough a JitterBug
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This is just funny. I payed through the nose for Verizon service and i constantly shop around to see if other carriers are more reasonable.
I have unlimited everything on two phones and I'm about equal to what I was paying at Verizon with no data. My speeds are way faster for data than any of my friends on ATT, Verizon, Sprint.
They'll throttle your speeds if you go over 5gb I think.... Just stop tethering and playing Starcraft lol.

All the "4G Unlimited Web" means is what Watson (T-Mobile 's computer system) calls the internet plan for the MT4G and the G2.
It's a billing code that is associated to the phone, and is the same exact thing as the Android Unlimited Web plan ($30/$25 if grandfathered in; for non-MyTouchs) and the MyTouch Unlimted Web ($30; for pre-G2/MT4G MyTouch phones).
The regular unlimited web plan ($10/mo) which you are probably considering as being much cheaper is for non-smartphones. Android phones are extremely data-intensive. They are constantly updating email, weather, etc., as compared to regular phones which only connect when the user chooses to. As such, I think T-Mobile has every right to charge a little more for a phone that constantly uses bandwidth. Besides, we're lucky. T-Mobile is pretty much the cheapest carrier for unlimited web, and also the only one that doesn't FORCE you to have internet.
Like someone else said, if you've been with T-Mobile for a long time (more than 2yrs and the longer the better) you can generally get CS to change your internet to the "MyTouch Preferred" internet. It's the same thing as the 4G Unlimited Web, but is $20/mo instead.
As for the legality of the plan name, you still get the 4G speeds if you go into a 4G zone. So no, it's in no way illegal to post that. You aren't paying more and they aren't forcing you to pay for the internet (don't want it? Call CS and cancel it. Heck, you may even get someone nice who will give you a month or two free...)
On a side note, if you think it's too expensive, but just have to have internet on your phone, get the cheaper 200MB plan for the MyTouch. You still get the guaranteed 4G speed, but just get cut off at 200MB (but I really wouldn't suggest it)
Hopefully everything I told you help put everything in perspective.

I'm currently on the myTouch unlimited + 400 text for $24.99. Will I "NOT" get HSPA+(4g speeds) without the 4g data plan??? Only network I get is HSDPA which is 3g. Any input is appreciated.
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[Q] The best pay as you go in US

Hi everybody!
Looking for some advice from US members.
I'm gonna travel in US for almost a month: couple weeks at Hawaii and couple weeks for LA, SF and NY.
Could somebody suggest a best pay as you go plan for this trip not for calls but for unlimited data or something looks like unlimited. I got Nexus S 3G. And is there this roaming prices or it doesn't matter where you actually is in US?
PS: Surely I can look through all the networks websites but I just thought that locals should know this and the answer won't take much time.
Thanks!

T-Mobile USA offers a no-contract package for US$30 a month that gives you 100 minutes talk, unlimited (to the US) SMS and unlimited 3g data (speeds throttled to 2g after 5gb use).
http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/monthly-4g-plans
Nationwide coverage, roaming included. You might have to pay the activation fee (usually US$35) but that's about the only option in the US that is GSM, works with any unlocked phone, and offers what you're looking for.

Thanks a lot! That's what I needed
Cheers!

lol, you forgot about boost, $50 for unlimited everything with shrinkage to $35 i believe unless it changed, really don't remember

A2CKilla said:
lol, you forgot about boost, $50 for unlimited everything with shrinkage to $35 i believe unless it changed, really don't remember
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This won't work for a Nexus S though (Boost is CDMA I believe)... and the shrinkage wouldn't happen for a long time. I'm on the $30 a month T-Mobile one and it works great! Make sure you have the right radios for your phone to work on T-Mobile though. Also, the plan does come with 4G (at least if you consider HSPA+ 4G...). Otherwise, AT&T will give you 500 MB on prepaid for $25 a month and you can combine that with a few options for text and talk. The only problem with the T-Mobile deal is that it is online only (unless you get it at Walmart), so you will have to go a few days without service while you wait for your sim to arrive.

A2CKilla said:
lol, you forgot about boost, $50 for unlimited everything with shrinkage to $35 i believe unless it changed, really don't remember
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Shrinkage kicks in after how many months?
Antoxin said:
I'm gonna travel in US for almost a month: couple weeks at Hawaii and couple weeks for LA, SF and NY.
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He said about a month.
T-Mobile also has a unlimited $50 plan.
He also said he has his own phone. GSM. Won't work on the CDMA / iDEN network. CDMA phones just being locked.
Antoxin said:
I got Nexus S 3G.
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You weren't very helpful A2CKilla.

zigzackattack said:
This won't work for a Nexus S though (Boost is CDMA I believe)... and the shrinkage wouldn't happen for a long time. I'm on the $30 a month T-Mobile one and it works great! Make sure you have the right radios for your phone to work on T-Mobile though. Also, the plan does come with 4G (at least if you consider HSPA+ 4G...). Otherwise, AT&T will give you 500 MB on prepaid for $25 a month and you can combine that with a few options for text and talk. The only problem with the T-Mobile deal is that it is online only (unless you get it at Walmart), so you will have to go a few days without service while you wait for your sim to arrive.
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IS there some special radio required?
AT&T with 25$ for 500 Mb is not even close to T-Mobile's offer.
Probably I have to order sim few days prior arrival. Does Walmart always have these sim's in stock?
What I didn't get is how to buy this plan. There is no option to buy simcard with this plan. So do I have to buy just simcard without a plan than activate it and choose a plan? If so why I can't do it by buing sim at tmobile office?

There are Walmart stores all across the country. When you buy it there they'll give you the activated sim right there in store. US GSM carriers toss the sim in free when you buy the plan... part of the activation fee. And no special radios required. T-Mobile uses the international 3g bands. Its at&t that uses weird frequencies
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Andassaran said:
There are Walmart stores all across the country. When you buy it there they'll give you the activated sim right there in store. US GSM carriers toss the sim in free when you buy the plan... part of the activation fee
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Cool thanks!

I edited my last post right as you replied lol.
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Andassaran said:
I edited my last post right as you replied lol.
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Got it thanks!

sprint's LTE maybe not unlimited??

if this true, i know alot of people will be leaving sprint. but it doesn't make sense, still unlimited data is the only reason to be with sprint. hopefully will be grandfather in and still have all the data we can eat.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...E-could-lead-to-end-of-unlimited-data_id24120

tkeyes said:
if this true, i know alot of people will be leaving sprint. but it doesn't make sense, still unlimited data is the only reason to be with sprint. hopefully will be grandfather in and still have all the data we can eat.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spri...E-could-lead-to-end-of-unlimited-data_id24120
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You can never be grandfathered in. When you upgrade your phone to LTE and sign a new contract it will have any new restrictions and price changes. Hopefully it will not happen but if it does they will still need to be cheaper than the competitors or their coverage issues will cause people to switch.

You can possibly just buy the phone at full price and keep your plan. Not sure how they are gonna handle the LTE guess we may find out in Jan.
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5FOOTER said:
You can possibly just buy the phone at full price and keep your plan. Not sure how they are gonna handle the LTE guess we may find out in Jan.
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Yes until your contract runs out and then they are free to change your plan or you sign a new contract with the new plan. If you upgrade riiiiiiighhhht before they change the plans then you can get almost 2 years out of it but doubt they would activate LTE and start selling LTE phones without the rates in place.

kennyglass123 said:
Yes until your contract runs out and then they are free to change your plan or you sign a new contract with the new plan. If you upgrade riiiiiiighhhht before they change the plans then you can get almost 2 years out of it but doubt they would activate LTE and start selling LTE phones without the rates in place.
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that's incorrect, thats what should be the case, but its not ask anyone that had or has an data card, wifi hotspot with sprint. one day it was unlimited data the next day it wasnt. i was still under contract till next year.

tkeyes said:
that's incorrect, thats what should be the case, but its not ask anyone that had or has an data card, wifi hotspot with sprint. one day it was unlimited data the next day it wasnt. i was still under contract till next year.
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Ouch, that is worse. But doesn't it actually say unlimited data in our contract? Then that would get you out of an ETF anyway.

I don't think Sprint will get rid of unlimited data. Sprint has been advertising unlimited data for months and it is definitely a customer catcher, I mean just look at their latest commercial.
Them upgrading to LTE would simply make it even better .

Wild speculation from a no-name idiot "analyst". Did he even bother to read the executive summary of the Network Vision strategy update webcast?

k0nane said:
Wild speculation from a no-name idiot "analyst". Did he even bother to read the executive summary of the Network Vision strategy update webcast?
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Great post.
Let's face it, a lot of these "analyst" are just giving random thoughts based on speculation. We won't know until we get an official word, but I seriously doubt that sprint will be cutting unlimited.
Sprint has already officially said their network is handling all of it's users and not being stressed, especially with the iPhone not even touching the current 4G network, let alone LTE.

HanMan5000 said:
Great post.
Let's face it, a lot of these "analyst" are just giving random thoughts based on speculation. We won't know until we get an official word, but I seriously doubt that sprint will be cutting unlimited.
Sprint has already officially said their network is handling all of it's users and not being stressed, especially with the iPhone not even touching the current 4G network, let alone LTE.
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Sprint has promised to stay unlimited, maybe they'll throttle, but looking at their advertising campaign they better not or else they'll look like hypocrites.... Besides, if Sprint doesn't have unlimited, what's there to stay for? Nothing, and they know it.
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kennyglass123 said:
Ouch, that is worse. But doesn't it actually say unlimited data in our contract? Then that would get you out of an ETF anyway.
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maybe i talked to the wrong 3 ppl, it was $80 to get out of it, oh well. the crazy thing is that my clear internet is better then sprint. arent they using the same network.
the "analyst" and we doing the same thing just guessing, till sprint says their plans.

If you use At&t, I need a minute from you

We have bunch of thread about Throttle Data. If you don't like getting throttle please sign this petition and spread the word in our xda community. We need to get more people sign this petition faster so we can resolve the issue. And tell At&t to F*** Off because i hate when I pay for unlimitated data and only get about 3.5 to 4 GB with full speed. SO PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION HERE.

Honestly speaking, will this really do anything? At&t reserves the right to throttle or stop your data service as they see fit. Shady and screwed up, I know, but it is defined in the contract we signed when we all got service from them.

My data isn't throttled, but I don't actually use more than 3GB a month.

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Well we know how these companies tend to suck our hard earned money.
We have to sign a contract and still limit our usage.
I suggest move to another network which have a better data plan from AT&T.

This wouldn't do anything. It's obvious no one likes data throttling.

vbansal said:
Well we know how these companies tend to suck our hard earned money.
We have to sign a contract and still limit our usage.
I suggest move to another network which have a better data plan from AT&T.
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Move to T-mobile Switched from ATT and not regretting. Everything unlimited for the same price I paid at ATT for only 500 mins and 2 GB plan

The Big red did the same to me.Not even 2gb, but .7gb! I am not sure if I can sign being on the big red/ AT&T 15 unlimited non-smartphone plan.

profipix said:
Move to T-mobile Switched from ATT and not regretting. Everything unlimited for the same price I paid at ATT for only 500 mins and 2 GB plan
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doesnt TMO throttle you too?

Yes they do. Sprint is the only one that does not.

ngocdao said:
doesnt TMO throttle you too?
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Only if you don't have a grandfathered plan. I've never been throttled on TMo. I routinely use over 10GB of data per month including tethering.

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We have bunch of thread about Throttle Data. If you don't like getting throttle please sign this petition and spread the word in our xda community. We need to get more people sign this petition faster so we can resolve the issue. And tell At&t to F*** Off because i hate when I pay for unlimitated data and only get about 3.5 to 4 GB with full speed. SO PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION HERE.
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Are you guys kidding me?
In Germany every provider only guarantees for 300MB - 1GB without being throttled to 64kbit/s while the plan states "unlimited"
You can get 4GB from T-Mobile if you pay extra...

well you can always change apn and have hspa+ speed on At&t better than sprint and t-mobile.

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well you can always change apn and have hspa+ speed on At&t better than sprint and t-mobile.
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That only works if your device actually has the bands for T-Mobile and AT&T packed in there. Software can't change hardware.

Well i have skyrocket which is similar to t989 so when i get throttle i change my apn.
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That only works if your device actually has the bands for T-Mobile and AT&T packed in there. Software can't change hardware.
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cajunflavoredbob said:
Only if you don't have a grandfathered plan. I've never been throttled on TMo. I routinely use over 10GB of data per month including tethering.
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Person said switch to tmobile.. cant get grandfathered data.
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Person said switch to tmobile.. cant get grandfathered data.
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T-Mobile does have 5GB and 10GB options that now include FREE TETHERING! Yes, you're still throttled after the 5 or 10GBs of data. But.....5GB for 30$ including tethering beats AT&T easily. 10GB for 60$ including tethering as well.... (referencing classic plan pricing here) is not bad either.
Only Verizon ATM beats it with Their double data promo (example: 10GB for 5GB price of 50$). That's a promo, not everyday pricing either.
Oh, yeah....NO TETHERING INCLUDED on Verizon either.....
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Whatever works better for you then hey, more power to you but ..you get what you pay for... and quality > quantity for me.. hehe
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Whatever works better for you then hey, more power to you but ..you get what you pay for... and quality > quantity for me.. hehe
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I have no quality issues with T-Mobile. Fast HSPA+ speeds plus four bars (68-72dBm). I'll admit outside major metropolitan areas T-Mobile is lacking, but for the majority of us living in those major metropolitan areas....T-Mobile is the better deal.
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Person said switch to tmobile.. cant get grandfathered data.
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The person I responded to only asked about data throttling. You can grab a promo plan from them anyway that includes tethering, just as babydoll suggested.
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I have no quality issues with T-Mobile. Fast HSPA+ speeds plus four bars (68-72dBm). I'll admit outside major metropolitan areas T-Mobile is lacking, but for the majority of us living in those major metropolitan areas....T-Mobile is the better deal.
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I've never had issues with them either. They cover most of my routes in South Louisiana to my customers' homes. They've recently expanded their 3G coverage as well. I was pretty excited to see be able to stream last.fm again in some out of the way places.

Straight Talk BYOD!!!!!

Didn't know if this had been posted but ST just into'd new bring your own device plans! Now we can take our unlocked GSII's and use them on ATT network for $45 unlimited talk/text/web! Obviously this is not a big deal for those that live in Tmobiles 3g/4g footprint but it is for me since I don't.

I wonder if their data speeds are like simple mobile

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I wonder if their data speeds are like simple mobile
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What speeds are you getting with simple mobile? Here are some reported speeds from users on ST byod.--> http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1737642-Post-Your-Straight-Talk-Speedtests

Oh I'm not on simple mobile I just remember a thread about their 3g speeds being under 200kbps. Haven't heard much good or bad with straight talk

Is there data throttle caps?
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im switching to simple mobile this month, this month's TMO bill was 119.00 dollars, i say F to that when i can pay 60.

welcome to Simple! lol i keep trolling my presence wherever SIMple is talked about. sorry deah suh.

Yeah simple isn't bad I was getting good speeds I'm on T-Mobile prepay now just because I get to have a ringback tone
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Doesn't t-mobile have a 50 dollar unlimited everything for prepaid...?

tspx23 said:
Doesn't t-mobile have a 50 dollar unlimited everything for prepaid...?
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i think its unlimite talk and text and 200mb data
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Is there data throttle caps?
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Generally they begin capping around 2gigs. Not bad though for $45. Only reason this appeals to me is I can't get T-Mobile 3/4g service but I can get AT&T hspda service. As far as I know, this is the cheapest unlimited plan that runs on AT&T's network.

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Doesn't t-mobile have a 50 dollar unlimited everything for prepaid...?
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It does, unlimited minutes and messages, 4G with speeds throttled after the first 2G - but it's only available as a family plan: 2 phones, 2 plans, 2 x $50 / mo.
Great if you've got a family member who's interested, and you both live in the t-m ob footprint.
The same plan's available BYOD for $60/mo, which is a lot more when you consider that the family plan includes phones.
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Didn't know if this had been posted but ST just into'd new bring your own device plans! Now we can take our unlocked GSII's and use them on ATT network for $45 unlimited talk/text/web! Obviously this is not a big deal for those that live in Tmobiles 3g/4g footprint but it is for me since I don't.
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I'm on the T-Mobile 'fringes', so, yeah, this is interesting.
I can use my T989 on ST? Is there an unlocker?
Got a link to the ST BYOD plan(s)?
Thanks!

Might be good add a back up

I used Simple Mobile's $40 per month plan and data speeds were horrible. It was so bad I switched to their $60 unlimited. Then this past weekend T-mo had that free phone giveaway thing for new customers, so I ended up signing up for the $60 plan for 2GB of data. Same price as Simple and I only really use about 2GB per month anyway, so it works well for me plus a free Galaxy S 2 is always cool with me.
The one thing about t-mo I really like is that if you call them there are a lot more options than what you see on the web. For example, I use Google Voice so I don't need SMS. That cuts $10 out of the bill right there, but you have to call to get them to take that out, can't do it via the web I don't think.

When is the Straight Talk SIM plan coming out?! Will they do 4G? God, I hope so, $45 bucks for all the **** they offer is a STEAL, especially if you use it with a smartphone... Unlike I am doing with GoPhone ATM

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The one thing about t-mo I really like is that if you call them there are a lot more options than what you see on the web. For example, I use Google Voice so I don't need SMS. That cuts $10 out of the bill right there, but you have to call to get them to take that out, can't do it via the web I don't think.
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I hadn't realized there were call-only deals. I'll have to call them. No idea if they're flexible on their BYOD plans (I don't need SMS either)

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i think its unlimite talk and text and 200mb data
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the 200mb is 4g, but its unlimited internet access just slows to edge. but the $60 optioin is better, comes w/2gb of 4g speeds then edge. About $64.80 after taxes on monthly 4g plan.

thebigcheese44 said:
When is the Straight Talk SIM plan coming out?! Will they do 4G? God, I hope so, $45 bucks for all the **** they offer is a STEAL, especially if you use it with a smartphone... Unlike I am doing with GoPhone ATM
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Knowing AT&T, if you use Straight Talk, the data speeds are probably capped at 512kbps.

Didn't work for me. I cannot even use SMS with their unlimited $45 plan. Data is down as well. I'm on Straighttalk AT&T SIM card. Customer support reset the options on their side twice, but it didn't help. I tried two different phones with this SIM card to no avail.

texts should be working but for data, did you put in the new APNs? Data wont just work if you just insert the SIM card in since AT&T and ST have different APN's