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Hey I was reading online that if Verizon suspects that you're using wireless tether that they can cancel your contract. Also, I read in the TOS that if you "alter your device" that it's also grounds for termination. Does that mean that if you've rooted your Droid PERIOD and they find out about it they can cancel your contract?
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yep. just sbf before you go to a verizon store or have to send it in. then they cant find out sense its out of the box condition
Wow. That's messed up. Before today I just thought they could refuse my warranty. I didn't realize they could cancel my contract altogether. I can understand them gettin pissy about Wireless Tether since that's technically rippimg them off, but JUST rooting the phone? Due to the new electronic copyright law it's my legal RIGHT to be able to root it. Why do you think they see fit to cancel your contract just bc you've got full power over your device?
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thats freakin bull****. if verizon cancels my contract because i have a cool theme and full control im going to court and making them give me free service forever. but on a more serious note, that is definitely not the case unless verizon somehow found a loophole in the law.
Well, the "loophole" is their TOS. Lol. Anyway, I wish I could find the link to tha again so I could show you guys the excerpt from the TOS. Does anyone have a link to that?
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I don't know how likely it would be for them to cancel a contract since you would be walking away with a phone that retails for 569.99 and they would be losing out on about $100 per month which is probably somewhere around 60 to 70% profit.
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Since Verizon has ended New every 2, this tells me they don't need to be "competitive" (Thank you iphone). I've had great discussions in the past about when Verizon gets the iphone that either their prices will go up or they'll change something against the consumer. Ending New every 2 is probably one of them and threatening to cancel on the basis of TOS infringement is another.
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Wow. That's messed up.
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Dude, every wireless carrier has the same conditions spelled out one way or another; Verizon is not special in this regard.
Good points... does it say anything about if the device has to be activated at the time? If I rooted a phone in the past but have not with my new ones. If Verizon finds out could they still cancel my plan or no because I signed a new one at the time of upgrade? Just wanted to see everyones views.
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I cant imagine Verizon cancelling anyones contract for rooting. They make alot of money on the phone plans not really the phones. Its easier to get out of a marriage then a phone contract without penalties
crap i was just going to root my dx
contract canceled?
I personally find this he hard to believe. I go to my verizon store quite often And everyone that works there knows my phone is rooted. I Always have to show off my new rom and my new theme. Last week I had to take my phone in because it would not charge And the service guy had to check out my phone ended up it was the charger. He was impressed with the a new Liberty Rom. He was even thinking about rooting his phones to do this. Not one employee in the store said anything about cancelling my contract.
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Hey I was reading online that if Verizon suspects that you're using wireless tether that they can cancel your contract. Also, I read in the TOS that if you "alter your device" that it's also grounds for termination. Does that mean that if you've rooted your Droid PERIOD and they find out about it they can cancel your contract?
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I wouldn't worry about that unless your downloading hordes of data. If you bought the phone on the plan deal then Verizon looses if you cancel your contract early because the Droid X is/was a $600 smart phone. They wouldnt cancel anything unless you were costing them money. Lawyers just put that mumbo jumbo in so they give the company options to terminate bad customers.
Yep....they are gonna cancel your contact and tell you to keep all the potential money they could have made off of you over the years....all because you rooted your phone....lol.
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Man its mostly hot air n scare tactics while I was upgrading from my droid eris at the store I was taking to a rep and I asked if he rooted his and he told me yeah cuz he had a newer phone but used his eris as his internet at home
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I doubt they would cancel anyone's contract over root. You would have to let them keep your phone for something, otherwise just ask for it back and un-root. They wouldn't be able to prove anything.
What would be bad about them canceling a contract over a root?
You get at walk way from an etf...
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When you send ur phone in for replacing it goes to someone who does a hard reset anyway so Verizon really doesn't know now if something goes wrong and you take it to the store most likely they'll chalk it up with rooting.... just sbf before sending it back that being said my step dad had one and it kept booting to cwm everytime and not booting past it.. took it to the store and they sent him a replacement i sbf'd the old one and sent it on its way back
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I already posted this in another thread, but how do I safely sbf? I've UNINSTALLED (not renamed) several bloatware apps and I wanna get them back and rename them instead. How do I do that? SAFELY. I don't wanna brick my X.
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I am looking for a Droid X device to buy for developing purposes only. Both eBay and Criagslist mention some devices come with bad ESN at cheaper prices. Will it be a problem to use it for testing work?
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
KK
PS I already own a Motorola Xoom. Don't wanna test it with my early developing work.
KawaKoder said:
I am looking for a Droid X device to buy for developing purposes only. Both eBay and Criagslist mention some devices come with bad ESN at cheaper prices. Will it be a problem to use it for testing work?
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
KK
PS I already own a Motorola Xoom. Don't wanna test it with my early developing work.
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The problem you will have is you will not be able to put it in service with Verizon thus you can't test phone calls or mms. There maybe more things but that's the main thing... I don't see any issues for developing since you have us users to test that for you. I know @bigxie is a developer of Apex and he doesn't have a Verizon account aand his roms are awesome..
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I believe you can send call state intents over adb.
Thanks for prompt answers.
I don't indent to use any phone services. Just testing apps that I developed.
For you the users who are curious, I am working on a game engine with some physics stuff for Android-based devices.
KK
KawaKoder said:
Thanks for prompt answers.
I don't indent to use any phone services. Just testing apps that I developed.
For you the users who are curious, I am working on a game engine with some physics stuff for Android-based devices.
KK
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Sweet!
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Bad ESN = possibly bad from being reported stolen.
If you're going to buy a bad ESN device, contact VZW and ask why it is bad. They'll tell you.
Would suck to get it taken away from you.
Thanks for the tip.
KK
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Bad ESN = possibly bad from being reported stolen.
If you're going to buy a bad ESN device, contact VZW and ask why it is bad. They'll tell you.
Would suck to get it taken away from you.
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yeah, big time trouble for buying a stolen device
Don't buy bad esn phones and support thieves.
It's not always theives, if your let your account lapse with Sprint or Verizon they will eventually blacklist your ESN. I've got one of those myself from a friend.
Now I guess you could say failing to pay your bill is stealing, in a sense, but I mean that the device wasn't stolen.
In a way it was. A Droid x costs the store it was bought from almost 600 dollars. They sell it for 150. You stop paying your bill within a set amount of time, the store gets a charge back from VZW for the commission it was paid to discount the phone below cost...
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stayin100 said:
In a way it was. A Droid x costs the store it was bought from almost 600 dollars. They sell it for 150. You stop paying your bill within a set amount of time, the store gets a charge back from VZW for the commission it was paid to discount the phone below cost...
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I think I covered that pretty well, and anyone who chooses to do that is sent to collections, etc. It's not like they're off the hook. Life happens. My point is, you're not necessarily supporting the physical theft of devices from other people.
For letting you the folks know, I just purshased a Droid X with CLEAN ESN at eBay for 240 bucks. Now, I am able to test my development work on it, no more slow emulators.
Thanks for all the help you gave me.
KK
he asked what app i used ( i said none of course) and when in reality i didn't hit "hide on PDA net" but he asked if i used MIFI.
( i got out of this by saying i put my sim into another phone and it must have done something odd because the phone was an OLD phone that was having issues)
Was there a point? What did the rep say about tethering?
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Makes no sense...what are u trying to say?
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I was just saying what the rep said. I don't know much about it but people seem to be collecting these experiences on xda from what IV been reading about so I figured I'd add my 2¢
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I still have no clue what you're talking about. Your first post is confusing,and your second doesn't clarify anything.
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Sorry,what im I'm trying to say is that there asking about it in depth now and automatically assuming you'r trying to do wrong. I'm only informing anyone who wanted to read what I was told.
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??? looks like a "bad trip" post to me... ???
Give him some credit... at least he came here instead of wandering through a forest while he was on that trip.
"Bad trip" post? What does that mean?
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"Bad trip" post? What does that mean?
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As in it looks like you ate a bag of mushrooms soaked in LSD and posted your thoughts on XDA.
And I'm an AT&T employee if you have any questions about Tethering.
And no, that doesn't mean I understand your first post.
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"Bad trip" post? What does that mean?
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he's talking about you being on drugs. havent you ever seen Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas?
Most employees of carriers don't really care about you tethering. Sometimes they will tell you to get the sale. Sometimes even if they tell you, the end user is not able to perform the task.
Really, we don't care. Do it if you want. We're not reporting you or notating on your account that you are tethering for free.
This is like the carry threads on CC/OC forums. Like children saying, I open carried today. This guy stared at me and a kid asked if I was a cop. TEHE.
But really, I don't work for ATT. I work for another carrier. Reps would rather earn your trust for you to keep coming back to them. There's a internal war going on with Store Sales Reps and Customer Care / Over the Phone Reps. We'd rather have you deal with us in the store.
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Most employees of carriers don't really care about you tethering. Sometimes they will tell you to get the sale. Sometimes even if they tell you, the end user is not able to perform the task.
Really, we don't care. Do it if you want. We're not reporting you or notating on your account that you are tethering for free.
This is like the carry threads on CC/OC forums. Like children saying, I open carried today. This guy stared at me and a kid asked if I was a cop. TEHE.
But really, I don't work for ATT. I work for another carrier. Reps would rather earn your trust for you to keep coming back to them. There's a internal war going on with Store Sales Reps and Customer Care / Over the Phone Reps. We'd rather have you deal with us in the store.
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You have no idea how many customers come in trying to hide the fact that they rooted / jailbroke / have installed tethering apps on their phones.
We really do not care. At all. It's your computer, you know the TOS, do what you want to do.
It only bothers me when they directly lie about it to me and I have to call them out on it....
Ahaha oh I get it now. Yah i posted this when I got home from a physics midterm so that was most likely why. And I actually do have a question every rep i have spoken to Gave me a different answer to this: what does teathering actually cover. Is phone to car Bluetooth teathering? One rep said yes another said no. Would plugging the Asus padphone into its dock (basicly just a bigger screen n battery) be teathering like on he atrix ?)
I even asked my friends mom who works in the corporate part she had almost no idea and said the obvious hotspot answer.
(Sorry for errors still getting used to the prime keybored)
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Ahaha oh I get it now. Yah i posted this when I got home from a physics midterm so that was most likely why. And I actually do have a question every rep i have spoken to Gave me a different answer to this: what does teathering actually cover. Is phone to car Bluetooth teathering? One rep said yes another said no. Would plugging the Asus padphone into its dock (basicly just a bigger screen n battery) be teathering like on he atrix ?)
I even asked my friends mom who works in the corporate part she had almost no idea and said the obvious hotspot answer.
(Sorry for errors still getting used to the prime keybored)
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I guess we will see. If AT&T sells the setup, then I would have a hard time imagining us calling that tethering.
But most likely in our system it would be detected as tethering.
We'll see!
How would that be detected? Wouldn't the data be ending at the device? ( I very much dislike what companys have done to data plans) it is still a confusing topic.
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How would that be detected? Wouldn't the data be ending at the device? ( I very much dislike what companys have done to data plans) it is still a confusing topic.
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one way it can be detected are through packet headers. when you're tethering, all your device is doing is acting as a router. it doesnt modify anything (although i'm sure there's an app for that).
Pdanet? Doesn't it have a hide function? I have heard of that. I do think that u.s carriers are going to start going overboard with this though.
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And I'm an AT&T employee if you have any questions about Tethering.
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So the other day I was told that ATT could see your tethering through the Wifi Tether app (one that isn't supposed to use standard tethering protocols) is this true?
You guys should shop around with T-Mobile if you are that concerned about tethering. I was offered a plan that was $5 cheaper than the one I'm on two days ago. The new plan would have been unlimited voice/text and 10GB/month data with unlimited tethering. It was offered by the phone CS rep. The price was $55/month. I didn't take it since I don't want to be on contract. He said the normal price of the plan was $65. All I was calling for was to ask when I originally signed up with T-Mobile, since it's been so long that I forgot.
Also, my current plan is 1000 minutes, unlimited text, and unlimited data with tethering for $60/month.
Just food for thought. T-Mobile reps, like any other carrier, could care less whether or not you tether.
I unlocked my bootloader and then went to:
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/home/
At the lower right under SERVICE & REPAIR
Click on :Submit for Repair
Entered my IEMI and got an err code of 100-99.
I did the same with my wife's 'M (stock) and was able to browse the whole trouble-shooting gamut.
So even though the unlock is unofficial the Droid is able phone home about it.
I wasn't sure. Anyone want to confirm this?
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I new it voided the Warranty , just did not think it would be registered remotely .
Yea I just checked mine n it said out of warranty...which its not even two months old... I may just give support a call sometime and play dumb asking the why...
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I think it's a root checker
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I think it's a root checker
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Unlikely. Don't you think the privacy notification agreement, that you must click, can read your bootloader code?
Edit I see your point but both can be monitored.
I see that... as it has the root checker in the stock recovery... I know once upon a soak in my d4 days they needed my imei number to send another push after that every post he (matt the forum manager) pretty much knew I was rooted... never said it but kept asking if I was rooted...
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I see that... as it has the root checker in the stock recovery... I know once upon a soak in my d4 days they needed my imei number to send another push after that every post he (matt the forum manager) pretty much knew I was rooted... never said it but kept asking if I was rooted...
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no, it is a root checker.
I called them shortly after I got my device (and rooting it, of course) - and they asked for my IEMI, and after I gave it to them, they said that the phone was rooted.
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no, it is a root checker.
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Yea... my quote didn't go through...
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Rooted and unlocked here but was able to log in and start the warranty process (I had to cancel out as I do not have an issue). Note: I pay the $6 or $7/month for warranty coverage through Verizon.
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Rooted and unlocked here but was able to log in and start the warranty process (I had to cancel out as I do not have an issue). Note: I pay the $6 or $7/month for warranty coverage through Verizon.
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biggest scam ever = wireless warranties/insurance...
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biggest scam ever = wireless warranties/insurance...
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You are of course welcome to your opinion, but I've made out very well with such coverage over the years. I always buy used phones (coverage follows phone number and thus transfers) and the fees are a business expense and tax deductible.
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You are of course welcome to your opinion, but I've made out very well with such coverage over the years. I always buy used phones (coverage follows phone number and thus transfers) and the fees are a business expense and tax deductible.
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glad they have worked out for you... but my understanding is that you pay $7/month, and if, for example, your phone is smashed/stolen, you'll get a replacement (most likely a refurb) for free. however, there is a $100 deductible.
so, let's just say, for example, that 12 months into your contract, you lose your phone and order a replacement. at this point, you would have spent $184 ($100 deductible + $7/month x 12).
comparatively, you could get a used one on ebay for about the same price (motorola still honors the warranty).
keep in mind that you'll be eligible to get a new phone at the discounted rate 22 months into a contract.
so, for me, given that losing/damaging a phone is a rarity, the numbers just to do not make sense (now watch me jinx myself and lose/damage my phone this weekend while at the beach).
essentially, all you are doing is taking a bet, and it's a losing bet in the long run....
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glad they have worked out for you... but my understanding is that you pay $7/month, and if, for example, your phone is smashed/stolen, you'll get a replacement (most likely a refurb) for free. however, there is a $100 deductible.
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I've never paid a deductible. It's been a while since I have needed the coverage, but I remember getting a brand new Droid 3 after my Droid 2 bricked.
keep in mind that you'll be eligible to get a new phone at the discounted rate 22 months into a contract.
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To me, that's the scam; the 2-year contract. I haven't been under contract with Verizon in years.
so, for me, given that losing/damaging a phone is a rarity, the numbers just to do not make sense (now watch me jinx myself and lose/damage my phone this weekend while at the beach).
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I truly hope not! But you also bring up a good point as I'm on and off my boat very frequently and dropping it in the water and/or me falling in (that's happened a few times) justifies the insurance for me.
essentially, all you are doing is taking a bet, and it's a losing bet in the long run....
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When it's a legit business expense it's not a big deal. $7/month compared to what it costs me to operate a small business every month is nothing. Payroll and rent are the big ones.
Have a good time at the beach!
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I've never paid a deductible. It's been a while since I have needed the coverage, but I remember getting a brand new Droid 3 after my Droid 2 bricked.
To me, that's the scam; the 2-year contract. I haven't been under contract with Verizon in years.
I truly hope not! But you also bring up a good point as I'm on and off my boat very frequently and dropping it in the water and/or me falling in (that's happened a few times) justifies the insurance for me.
When it's a legit business expense it's not a big deal. $7/month compared to what it costs me to operate a small business every month is nothing. Payroll and rent are the big ones.
Have a good time at the beach!
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no disagreement on the 2-year contract scam - but that's the price we pay for discounted devices. hence the new programs currently being offered...
I have the warranty/insurance from Verizon as well... for simple issues I don't have to pay just mail my phone in when the replacement gets here... but if its an issue with say water damage, broken screen broken USB port stuff of that nature its a $100 deductible...
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ezknives said:
I have the warranty/insurance from Verizon as well... for simple issues I don't have to pay just mail my phone in when the replacement gets here... but if its an issue with say water damage, broken screen broken USB port stuff of that nature its a $100 deductible...
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right. for simple issues, they'll send you a free replacement even if you don't have the insurance.
Back on topic... I sent my sisters RAZR HD in that was at one point rooted to get service. They didnt seem to care.
I want to move back to Android after a stint with Windows Phone 8. Where can I get the cheapest price for the Verizon Note 3 off-contract? The Verizon online store has it for $700.
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I want to move back to Android after a stint with Windows Phone 8. Where can I get the cheapest price for the Verizon Note 3 off-contract? The Verizon online store has it for $700.
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Try craigslist. You are not going to find the Note 3 off contract for less than $550-600.
Way too early to get it cheaper. It's a highly anticipated device so everyone is gonna get asking price for it. Like ericdabbs said, try craigslist after its already been released. There will be people who bought it then found it too big for them.
I paid $745 via Verizon website
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Won't buying on Craigslist risk your phone being banned after someone defaults on payments?
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Won't buying on Craigslist risk your phone being banned after someone defaults on payments?
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No, because that phone will be assigned to your account not theirs.
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Way too early to get it cheaper. It's a highly anticipated device so everyone is gonna get asking price for it. Like ericdabbs said, try craigslist after its already been released. There will be people who bought it then found it too big for them.
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I figured full price at the start but thought to ask you guys because someone might find a deal/special.
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No, because that phone will be assigned to your account not theirs.
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Perhaps Verizon and Sprint still ESN block and attach to account.
GSM phones block across the board and are only attached to the original account.
I thought with LTE they would do the same. Glad they don't. It's very scummy.
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It's all junk on cl to mean anymore. Buying a $600+ phone on there scares me anymore. I will pay full retail and know it had been in my hands it's whole life
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You will have to pay ~$700 unless you find someone dumping their used one. But that won't happen for at least a couple of weeks after launch.
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It's all junk on cl to mean anymore. Buying a $600+ phone on there scares me anymore. I will pay full retail and know it had been in my hands it's whole life
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I have bought & sold many phones on craigslist. You just have to be careful who you're dealing with, and you have to know what you're buying. And make sure you verify the ESN status before handing over money.
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You will have to pay ~$700 unless you find someone dumping their used one. But that won't be likely for a couple of weeks after launch.
I have bought & sold many phones on craigslist. You just have to be careful who you're dealing with, and you have to know what you're buying. And make sure you verify the ESN status before handing over money.
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I have bought and sold tons in years past. Until this year. Too many shady people with shady phones and mix matched boxes for phones and stuff. I looked at half a dozen s3 for a backup phone then I threw the towel in. They were all junk. Won't risk that anymore. I always esn check and usually activate them on the stop. Never any issues with that just the stuff on there anymore is no good
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I have bought and sold tons in years past. Until this year. Too many shady people with shady phones and mix matched boxes for phones and stuff. I looked at half a dozen s3 for a backup phone then I threw the towel in. They were all junk. Won't risk that anymore. I always esn check and usually activate them on the stop. Never any issues with that just the stuff on there anymore is no good
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Yep, I've met sellers with oddball stuff that didn't match their ad, or they just seemed shady, and I didn't waste time bailing out. Trust your gut. If something doesn't seem right, there is usually a good reason why it feels that way.
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You will have to pay ~$700 unless you find someone dumping their used one. But that won't happen for at least a couple of weeks after launch.
I have bought & sold many phones on craigslist. You just have to be careful who you're dealing with, and you have to know what you're buying. And make sure you verify the ESN status before handing over money.
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This........ ^^
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Yep, I've met sellers with oddball stuff that didn't match their ad, or they just seemed shady, and I didn't waste time bailing out. Trust your gut. If something doesn't seem right, there is usually a good reason why it feels that way.
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Yeah I've bought those even when my gut says no and still make money and don't know how haha but I'm done for awhile at least
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I would say eBay from someone who bought one and decided it was "too big" and was too late in returning it, also check swappa.com
Craigslist always has people who buy the phone at upgrade price and immediately sell for a couple hundred off full retail. They make some easy cash and you save some. Just make sure you meet the seller at a Verizon store to verify not stolen. On a side note if you live in a marginal coverage area you can open a new account and get phone for discount price. Wait 15 days and complain about signal. They let you walk from contract with no charge. Then you just pop your sim in and bingo bango bongo. Im on my parents family plan with unlimited so this worked for me last year.
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Check Swappa. I'm not sure I'll be keeping my glitch-ordered white 32gb Note 3. I already bought my GS4 at full retail.
Will have to see what my first impressions are...