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30FPS Issue is in 1 word OUTRAGEOUS... Proposed "clean" solution?

I know this has been said again and again, but I just have to put my opinion out there..
To realize what provoked this thread see here and a benchmark test on youtube where the evo gets pwnt by the nexus one and droid x on so many levels.
HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi!
I cannot understand how they thought we'd sit back and allow this.
Android is the home of nerds, enthusiasts, overclockers, benchmarkers and rom chefs.
This isn't the typical iphone userbase, we notice a lack of performance and inefficiency.
Both of which our phones are in no short supply of..
Our tests and kernel tweaks have proved that this DEFECT can be bypassed, so why are they still going on about hardware limitations?
How come our PREMIUM phones that we have to pay an extra 10 bucks per month just to own, can't even catch up to the very first android phone (G1) in terms of 2D FPS?
How come everybody else is capable of 60fps while we with our "revolutionary multimedia phones" can't even churn out anything past 30FPS without tweaks, and hacks, and best of all voiding our warranties.
It's ****ing blasphemy I tell you.
How about a rom that allows for disabling of hdmi?
I don't know just how ingrained it is with the snapdragon CPU or more likely the gpu, but it's surely possible.
I mean how many of us would've gotten these phones if we knew it was either hdmi or 60fps?

Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699290

topdnbass said:
HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi! <-That should be a poll option
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Aridon said:
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699290
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HDMI is their excuse isn't it, Droid X has HDMI will it always be limited to 30FPS?

Personally, I'd rather loose battery life and HDMI (never going to use that ****) output for no lag and better performance.
At least give us the option, HTC.

For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
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According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.

topdnbass said:
For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.
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are you implying i have no friends?

Indeed.
Screw implying.
You straight up got no friends bro!
Sorry, better luck next time.
Sent from my Evo 4G

I don't really understand why I'd use hdmi. This thing isn't pushing out .mkv files is it?
And you better believe I'm not spending extra money on a fancy mini hdmi cord. F that.
Take out the hdmi, give me a freaking Ethernet port instead Haha. Id prolly use that at least once, which will be more than I ever use hdmi.
(Actually come to think of it 4g to wired Ethernet tether for devices that don't support usb tether would be rather slick.)

Now that HTC fixed the grounding issue on the phone with the OTA update, my attention is now completely on the FPS issue. This is really frustrating. I have 5 days left to return my phone and I am really trying to figure out what to do. I don't want to go to Verizon because it's more expensive and I'm still in contract until Oct if I return the Evo. $50 ETF isn't a huge deal though. I've never been an apple fan and have never personally owned an iPhone but when you put the Evo next to Apple's latest, the screen choppiness really shows. It makes me mad. It makes me feel like the Evo is still behind the iPhone (when on paper is was not at all).
Look, I'm not sitting here saying that 30FPS is making my phone crappy and less enjoyable. The thought of getting duped by HTC is what bothers me. HTC sold us something on paper, and delivered something else. Isn't that called bait and switch?
Another problem is that none of the Sprint sales people, HTC customer service reps, or Best Buy/RS employees know enough about FPS to realize what it has done to our "wicked fast" phone. They look at us like we're crazy. I was describing the grounding issue to my local RS sales guy and he was giving me a look like I was being a baby about it.

Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.

donatom3 said:
Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.
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The motion blur you see when you swipe screens or scroll in the browser is a result of 30FPS. I still have it after the update. Use a nexus one or droid and you'll see the difference. It's very noticeable side-by-side. Sure, I don't see it when I'm using my phone. My brain gets used to it. The problem is that phones that have been out for 12 months have better screen motion than we do with our "wicked fast" phone.

meh at least we don't have to deal with this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=954054

Wow! Seems pretty widespread... That really sucks. On top of that, they have to deal with the manipulations as Apple tries to dodge the complaints.

Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons

BrianDigital said:
Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons
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I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.

coolguy949 said:
I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.
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Hardy har, atleast I used one comma hey look htc just released a patch to fix the cap. Soley based off your whiney post

This is a public forum. People complain on it. Get used to it.

ahh fanboys make me smile

Recent news from HTC about 30 fps cap reported by Engadget.

Thought this would fit in the development thread. Please move to general if felt needed. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/htc-says-evo-4gs-30fps-cap-on-video-output-cant-be-increased/#comments
"HTC says EVO 4G's 30fps cap on video output can't be increased
By Chris Ziegler posted Jul 9th 2010 5:31PM Even though we've seen evidence of a hack that circumvents it, we've been able to corroborate a story over at AndroidGuys this week that the HTC EVO 4G's 30fps cap on screen output is a terminal condition -- so says HTC, anyhow. The official story is that the cap was necessitated by the phone's support for HDMI-out, and there's no way the company could craft a software update to nix the limitation. Of course, as usual, we have every faith that the xda-developers community is going to magically take care of this in a way that's easy enough for at least power users to install -- but until then, you'll just need to deal with a frame rate that's just barely perceptible to the human eye. We suspect you'll manage."

Not really breaking news IMO, they have been saying that.
I can see where people might get excited by your thread title only to be disappointed tho lol

Rippley05 said:
Not really breaking news IMO, they have been saying that.
I can see where people might get excited by your thread title only to be disappointed tho lol
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Agreed, changed to recent news. Dont want to mislead anyone.

Wrong section....

Well that's a shame.
Guess we won't have their engineers to help us on this one
More work for us..
When we truly fix this cap, we should all get together one day, knock on peter chou's door and hold out our phones running silky smooth gears.

They've been saying that since day one.. Are we seriously getting trolls here or is it just a coincidence that someone feels the need to reiterate this every day?
I'll sit here and enjoy the 46FPS on my novatek panel for now, hopefully at 60FPS soon enough.

I wonder if its possible to fix this issue but break HDMI output?
I mean I could care less about hooking my phone to my TV to watch anything in HD...
Or am I missing something

Housoft said:
They've been saying that since day one.. Are we seriously getting trolls here or is it just a coincidence that someone feels the need to reiterate this every day?
I'll sit here and enjoy the 46FPS on my novatek panel for now, hopefully at 60FPS soon enough.
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Just sharing the most recent news my man. And I dont think HTC ever confirmed this. They claimed to have been "working on it". I figured the devs would like to see what HTC recently said. Move the thread if you have the power to then!!

I've wondered if it could be fixed by killing power to the HDMI-out. Seems like HTC woulda been able to include an HDMI-out toggle and enable 60fps w/ HDMI toggleOFF if that were the case though.

old news and wrong section

Housoft said:
I've wondered if it could be fixed by killing power to the HDMI-out. Seems like HTC woulda been able to include an HDMI-out toggle and enable 60fps w/ HDMI toggleOFF if that were the case though.
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That seems like the logical thing to do. However, you have to remember we're talking about HTC.
On another note, I would love to get rid off the HDMI port to have full 60fps. I know for sure that I'll never ever use that stupid feature in my life from a phone.

jblazea50 said:
That seems like the logical thing to do. However, you have to remember we're talking about HTC.
On another note, I would love to get rid off the HDMI port to have full 60fps. I know for sure that I'll never ever use that stupid feature in my life from a phone.
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If HTC turns out to be right and the screen *must* be limited to 30fps in order to enable HDMI, then it seems to me like the development community has a pretty clear (if difficult) plan in front of them. Once 60fps is figured out, then including a settings-style toggle between 30FPS/HDMI and 60FPS/No HDMI would be the solution. Hell, auto-toggle it when an HDMI cable is plugged in or yanked, too. And if we ever get an always-on HDMI out for the whole interface, that switching system could still work. Well, in theory.

This makes me rethink purchasing the Epic 4G

I was browsing Youtube for Galaxy S video out demonstrations and came across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epytWcOFpYo
As you all know, the Epic 4G doesn't have this feature. This really disappoints me. I was hoping to be able to play games and browse the web on my 42" tv, but now I won't be able to with the Epic. I don't know why Sprint and Samsung removed such an important feature of the Galaxy S line. We should write to Sprint and Samsung over the removal of this feature and ask them why? I hope it's just a software crippling rather than a hardware one, or Sprint has really let me down for the last time.

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I was browsing Youtube for Galaxy S video out demonstrations and came across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epytWcOFpYo
As you all know, the Epic 4G doesn't have this feature. This really disappoints me. I was hoping to be able to play games and browse the web on my 42" tv, but now I won't be able to with the Epic. I don't know why Sprint and Samsung removed such an important feature of the Galaxy S line. We should write to Sprint and Samsung over the removal of this feature and ask them why? I hope it's just a software crippling rather than a hardware one, or Sprint has really let me down for the last time.
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I'm pretty sure they'll have tv out for the epic by the end of the year

Have faith in the Devs my brother, for they shall deliver that which samsung&sprint will not.

This is purely speculation on my part.
I believe they will have TouchWiz 3.0 and TV out with the Froyo update later this year. As some of you might know, the current version of TouchWiz is more like 2.5 and is missing a few of the 3.0 features. I believe Sprint made this choice because of some of the issues the 3.0 version is having with lag and black screens.
Also I am hoping the USB to HDMI cable from Samsung will also come out this year and solve the issue.

kaotikevo said:
I was browsing Youtube for Galaxy S video out demonstrations and came across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epytWcOFpYo
As you all know, the Epic 4G doesn't have this feature. This really disappoints me. I was hoping to be able to play games and browse the web on my 42" tv, but now I won't be able to with the Epic. I don't know why Sprint and Samsung removed such an important feature of the Galaxy S line. We should write to Sprint and Samsung over the removal of this feature and ask them why? I hope it's just a software crippling rather than a hardware one, or Sprint has really let me down for the last time.
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All needed TV out files are in epic OS dump so I'm a little confused were those claiming features been removed are getting info from.
Can you supply source?

Pops_G said:
This is purely speculation on my part.
I believe they will have TouchWiz 3.0 and TV out with the Froyo update later this year. As some of you might know, the current version of TouchWiz is more like 2.5 and is missing a few of the 3.0 features. I believe Sprint made this choice because of some of the issues the 3.0 version is having with lag and black screens.
Also I am hoping the USB to HDMI cable from Samsung will also come out this year and solve the issue.
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This. Probably. I suspect the software on the Epic is limited due to stability and time constraints. I wonder how soon someone can port over these features from say the Vibrant or Captivate. Unfortunately Samsung isn't the best to rely on for timely updates... but one can hope. In the meantime... DLNA for those with compatible TVs or PS3s

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I believe Sprint made this choice because of some of the issues the 3.0 version is having with lag and black screens.
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No, it was primarily due to the landscape orientation mode not working on the 3.0.

ConceptVBS said:
No, it was primarily due to the landscape orientation mode not working on the 3.0.
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This is true. Samsung needs to update touchwiz 3.0 to work in landscape. The epic has lost a lot of features the other sgs phones have due to this. We all now how well samsung does updating there phones\software so good luck on that. It will be hard to port sgs rom's due to the hardware changes. Im sure there will be a rom with touchwiz 3.0 sometime but front camera, keyboard & landsacape will not work until they get ported if they can get ported(samsung drivers are not fully released so who knows how that will work out). They may have changed the back camera do to space issues. There are reports that the epic camera and video recording are not as good as the other sgs phones. Nothing comfirmed yet on rear camera until we get a epic teardown.

What I'd like to know, if the Epic does get micro usb - hdmi, how would you charge it? All of the micro usb - hdmi cables I've seen weren't split for power.. so you're looking at a couple hours max viewing IF it works.

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What I'd like to know, if the Epic does get micro usb - hdmi, how would you charge it? All of the micro usb - hdmi cables I've seen weren't split for power.. so you're looking at a couple hours max viewing IF it works.
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It does split. The charger goes in the HDMI end.
http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/microusbhdmi.JPG
That said, I'm going to make absolutely sure that the lack of TV-out via component and/or HDMI on the Epic is merely a software issue before buying it, and not due to a lack of the appropriate hardware.

I don't know what's the validity of the information on the page I'm going to link, but I clicked on a link comparing all the Galaxy S versions and I see that the Epic 4G's audio subsystem runs on a lower frequency than the others. It runs 44100hz instead of 48000hz, and seems to be the only one missing a controller named Wolfson WM8994E.
If this information turns out to be true, then the Epic 4G uses a different 3.5mm hardware piece, thus probably lacking the tv out feature from this port. I hope this is just misinformation. Here's the link comparing the phones : http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id=45&c=all_samsung_galaxy_s_variants

Man, you're bringing me down!!!

kaotikevo said:
I was browsing Youtube for Galaxy S video out demonstrations and came across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epytWcOFpYo
As you all know, the Epic 4G doesn't have this feature. This really disappoints me. I was hoping to be able to play games and browse the web on my 42" tv, but now I won't be able to with the Epic. I don't know why Sprint and Samsung removed such an important feature of the Galaxy S line. We should write to Sprint and Samsung over the removal of this feature and ask them why? I hope it's just a software crippling rather than a hardware one, or Sprint has really let me down for the last time.
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I thought more tv-out phone only showed vdo and pictures through the HDMI? I will never use a phones HDMI. Will there be any games on the phone that will be worth playing on the TV and how would you control the game with the HDMI wire hanging out the side of the phone? I also don't understand why you would want to go on the web with your phone through TV when you are at home. Isn't you home PC faster and has a better picture. I think the the TV-out would look bad on my 82" tv.

I will be truly bummed if Sammy ripped us on TV out hardware.
Phone that doesn't have Youtube HD application , Wifi for Sprint TV & TV out feature.
Hmm How Sprint and Samusung can consider that a multimedia phone is beyond me
They should classify it as a gaming phone.

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I thought more tv-out phone only showed vdo and pictures through the HDMI? I will never use a phones HDMI. Will there be any games on the phone that will be worth playing on the TV and how would you control the game with the HDMI wire hanging out the side of the phone? I also don't understand why you would want to go on the web with your phone through TV when you are at home. Isn't you home PC faster and has a better picture. I think the the TV-out would look bad on my 82" tv.
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Many like myself use their phone for Pictures and Video recording.TV out feature allows us to view such material using AV composite TV cables.
http://www.amazon.com/eXtreme-Composite-Cable-Apple-Video/dp/B000EAGKIM
Such cables provide good video quality and sound which is great for home use , any TV anywhere
All other S galaxy phones have it so should Epic , If Epic fails to provide feature its a major downer I will more then likely go back to EVO

sling said:
I will be truly bummed if Sammy ripped us on TV out hardware.
Phone that doesn't have Youtube HD application , Wifi for Sprint TV & TV out feature.
Hmm How Sprint and Samusung can consider that a multimedia phone is beyond me
They should classify it as a gaming phone.
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YouTube HQ is available on the phone (just press "Menu" & "Watch in high quality"). Sprint TV must be used over your phone connection, because it needs to authorize that you are a Sprint user. TV Out is in the hardware... it will probably make it back into the software next month (or so) when Android 2.2 Froyo rolls out.
This phone is a premium media phone. Can playback 1080p, 720p, 480p video perfectly. Plays games at 60 fps. 5.1 Surround sound. Super AMOLED screen that makes LCD look dull and grey.

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YouTube HQ is available on the phone (just press "Menu" & "Watch in high quality"). Sprint TV must be used over your phone connection, because it needs to authorize that you are a Sprint user. TV Out is in the hardware... it will probably make it back into the software next month (or so) when Android 2.2 Froyo rolls out.
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I believe EVO allows Sprint TV wifi....I could be wrong.
Well Hopefully they didn't use cripple jack...that's what it comes down to.
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This phone is a premium media phone. Can playback 1080p, 720p, 480p video perfectly. .
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Nice combo not doubt about that my worry is that such great quality cant be viewed on my 50" Samsung plasma.
A true media phone should allow it.

Supposedly sprint asked Samsung to take the tv out feature because of the sprint tv :S im pretty sure our devs will give it back to us
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I believe EVO allows Sprint TV wifi....I could be wrong.
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As previously mentioned in this thread, sprint tv is not available over wifi regardless of the phone. I can also confirm that the evo does not allow it either.

kennethpenn said:
YouTube HQ is available on the phone (just press "Menu" & "Watch in high quality"). Sprint TV must be used over your phone connection, because it needs to authorize that you are a Sprint user. TV Out is in the hardware... it will probably make it back into the software next month (or so) when Android 2.2 Froyo rolls out.
This phone is a premium media phone. Can playback 1080p, 720p, 480p video perfectly. Plays games at 60 fps. 5.1 Surround sound. Super AMOLED screen that makes LCD look dull and grey.
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I hope you're right about the hardware supporting tv out from the 3.5mm jack to rca and micro usb to hdmi, and Sprint and Samsung enabling them when Froyo hits. I think I'm holding out for the phone until I see confirmation that the hardware supports it. If not there's always the other Galaxy S phones on other carriers. I'd hate to pay more money for a phone that's crippled in key aspects of the Galaxy S line, such as multimedia

Honeycomb 3.1 release date and features for Iconia

From the source from Acer Thailand, Iconia A500 will be upgrade to OS version 3.1 from 23th June to first week of July through OTA (depend on your location).
the features which added in 3.1:
1. Supports full Microsoft Exchange Active Sync.
2. Support for connecting to a USB device for cutting: the Mouse and Keyboard wired and wireless / case to a USB Thumb Drive and was able to connect via USB Hub T / support JoyStick and GamePad / a Smartphone is. storage (Storage) for the Iconia Tab.
3. Media support more and WMA / WMV to improve the display of MPEG-4 Simple Profile.
4. Iconia Tab HDMI connection from the monitor to display HD 1080p.
5. Chrome Browser to update the display on the same computer (Desktop View) automatically and display the Quick Control for fast, easy access.
6. The adjustment, which improves the sensitivity of the touch screen Smartphone is fast / medium / slow.The system alerts when inserting or removing the Micro Sd Card and USB Thumb Drive / The Zoom Widget.

Osm. So excited.
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Great stuff! Thanks for the info! Let the wait continue...

It's bad. They didn't mention about unlock the bootloader~

Good info!
Yes, thank you so much for the infor.

GREAT!!!THX

Yay
Thanks for the update!

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It's bad. They didn't mention about unlock the bootloader~
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When you consider how many people are banging on in here about 3.1 and how it's going to fix 1000's of bugs (Yah, Ok, I know, I'm exaggerating..), there's NOT really a hell of a lot in that list that's all worth screaming for joy about.
I probably won't even bother updating.
There's not a lot in there I want, maybe 1080 output on hdmi (was that "i" or "p"?? If it's 1080i, I definitely won't bother updating just for that..)
Oh, it was "p" (you can't see the original messages when you're entering your one, silly that).. I might update for that.

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When you consider how many people are banging on in here about 3.1 and how it's going to fix 1000's of bugs (Yah, Ok, I know, I'm exaggerating..), there's NOT really a hell of a lot in that list that's all worth screaming for joy about.
I probably won't even bother updating.
There's not a lot in there I want, maybe 1080 output on hdmi (was that "i" or "p"?? If it's 1080i, I definitely won't bother updating just for that..)
Oh, it was "p" (you can't see the original messages when you're entering your one, silly that).. I might update for that.
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I personally definitely find the support for wider range of media files and 1080p support already more than worth the upgrade. Not that 720p is anything to scoff at either, but I got a 1080p TV here and my friends have those too, so obviously it's great to have if I wish to hook my tab up to TV.
Besides, people are saying the 3.1 makes the whole thing a lot smoother and faster, so ain't that already good enough of a reason to upgrade?

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Besides, people are saying the 3.1 makes the whole thing a lot smoother and faster, so ain't that already good enough of a reason to upgrade?
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The A500 really feels much smoother with HC 3.1

fast / medium / slow <----- Whats that mean?

the 3.1 will not unlock the bootloader...
why even think about it now?
- They have plan to unlock it, they speak about, and they are aware because HTC will do as well, so just have to wait...
everything comes right when you have the guts to wait for

Fluffbutt said:
When you consider how many people are banging on in here about 3.1 and how it's going to fix 1000's of bugs (Yah, Ok, I know, I'm exaggerating..), there's NOT really a hell of a lot in that list that's all worth screaming for joy about.
I probably won't even bother updating.
There's not a lot in there I want, maybe 1080 output on hdmi (was that "i" or "p"?? If it's 1080i, I definitely won't bother updating just for that..)
Oh, it was "p" (you can't see the original messages when you're entering your one, silly that).. I might update for that.
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your reasoning is confusing, that's all i'm saying. What would make you upgrade, not like we have a custom recovery to roll back to 3.0.1
The game pad and mouse and keyboard is enough for me to upgrade

sanaell said:
the 3.1 will not unlock the bootloader...
why even think about it now?
- They have plan to unlock it, they speak about, and they are aware because HTC will do as well, so just have to wait...
everything comes right when you have the guts to wait for
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I think they'll not saying it in official. Chance will be 50/50

Thanks for the update. Can't wait.
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Nice, 1080p is a must for some, no news about 1080p mp4 playback?, high profile 720p mp4 video playback is only software and it's choppy (powerpoint like, low fps) and mkv is non existent, I really want tegra to shine because it has the power to.
Also any info about recording at least decent 720p from rear camera, right now kinda sucks (too grainy).

Justray said:
Nice, 1080p is a must for some, no news about 1080p mp4 playback?
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1080p mp4 seems to work nicely in 3.1
I tried that Bourne video that was used in a youtube review of the Iconia that played fine on the Xoom and barely at all on the Iconia. It works fine in 3.1

I'm going to be in RDP heaven with mouse support

Fluffbutt said:
When you consider how many people are banging on in here about 3.1 and how it's going to fix 1000's of bugs (Yah, Ok, I know, I'm exaggerating..), there's NOT really a hell of a lot in that list that's all worth screaming for joy about.
I probably won't even bother updating.
There's not a lot in there I want, maybe 1080 output on hdmi (was that "i" or "p"?? If it's 1080i, I definitely won't bother updating just for that..)
Oh, it was "p" (you can't see the original messages when you're entering your one, silly that).. I might update for that.
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I actually had the Xoom before trying out the Iconia. The transition between 3.0.1 to 3.1 was very nice. The system was more responsive, browser was faster and more stable, better support for high profile movies, and the re-sizable widgets made my screens so much more useful. The whole OS seemed more stable, no more random FCs.
So I personally am looking forward to the update.

bparvin said:
I actually had the Xoom before trying out the Iconia. The transition between 3.0.1 to 3.1 was very nice. The system was more responsive, browser was faster and more stable, better support for high profile movies, and the re-sizable widgets made my screens so much more useful. The whole OS seemed more stable, no more random FCs.
So I personally am looking forward to the update.
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Yup that's why I waiting for it so long. I hope Acer won't disappoint us.
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Finally Solution to HDMI port (CES 12)

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
Sometimes, the simplest ideas are the best ones, and Analogix Slim Port technology certainly qualifies as both. It's a cabling solution that allows you to mirror what's on your phone or tablet's screen to your TV via microUSB -- instead of needing an extra HDMI or MHL port. Analogix's secret sauce is on a chip embedded in the jack portion of the cable and because it's based on DisplayPort technology, it can connect using HDMI, VGA, or DVI connections. Of course, as an OEM, Analogix won't be selling the cables when they go on sale this summer, but retailers like Belkin and BizLink will probably be put one in your bag for around $20 or $30 bucks.
-engadget
So now we can connect our beloved Play to that TV XD

I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play

ff7fan4eva said:
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
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i dont get you guys it clearly says it uses the MICRO USB port on the mobile device i mean how much more clearer need it be regardless ive sent an email to analogix and will tell u guys what they say

Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Hogwarts said:
Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.

TLRtheory said:
You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now

You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.

Hogwarts said:
I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.

A bit off topic, but I don't think I ever posted this while I was analyzing the play for HDMI.
According to the kernel, the Dev plays have this chipset and all Plays have the drivers for it: http://www.analog.com/en/audiovideo-products/analoghdmidvi-interfaces/adv7520/products/product.html
And this can be seen on the Dell Streak: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell-Streak-Teardown/3512/2
Now, I tore apart my Play (when I had it), and I can confirm that that chip is NOT on my retail r800i. This means that there is no "hidden" port or some unfilled solderpads that can be used to attach a microhdmi. There is NO support on the retail motherboard for it. You can't even buy the ADV7520 chip because there are no space on the retail motherboard for it.

There's no chip or hdmi port on the play I've watched dissasemblies of all types r800a,x,I
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There is a solution where you connect to a bluetooth HDMI dongle using your bluetooth and its specific app to stream phone content onto the screen, I think it was mentioned on Engadget but I cannot seem to find the link for it.

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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
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so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.

Hogwarts said:
so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
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I don't have a theory, as I don't care one bit about TV output of any kind. However, you mentioned that the PSP wasn't powerful enough to beam out content, which is not a problem in the Xperia Play (or Arc and Neo for that matter).

Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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bubblegumballoon said:
Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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Pretty sure it didn't
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AndroHero said:
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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FINALLY someone bothers to actually read the goddamed article

So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.

HearthC0re said:
So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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The adapter is probably accompanied with an app. Although the app would need root acces, atleast I think so.

whilst i think this would be an awesome piece of kit if it works as intended, im a little curious as to how it actually works, afaik the cpu sends its work to the gpu for output, the gpu processes it, and outputs it to the display....so how exactly does the usb port get the information from gpu...maybe easy with root access on one device...but making it work on a wide range of devices would be crazy hard.
im not gonna straight up bash this, because they have said its a vendor agnostic solution, so im assuming they have worked out some technical magic with no downsides to pull this off. I'm all for being proved wrong, i just want to see it in action.

TLRtheory said:
You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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First statement is a bit overstated.
By capability the gpu in the PSP has a fillrate of 30 million polygons/s
I believe our Adreno has 52 mil/s
Plus instead of the capability I believe it was the limitation of USB speeds that affected the computer mirroring software.
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