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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
You do know that there are over 20 android phones slated to come out in the next 6-8 months, right? The hero isnt unique anyway. We've had hero roms running on the G1 since before the hero even had a US release.
yep its now just part of a series of clones..
Yeah I'm not really a fan of Sense UI, it has a couple of cool widgets but it's such a resource hog. Even if I had a Hero with the extra RAM I'd still use the regular launcher, but that's just me.
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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
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well sense ui is very visually appealing and adds function compared to phones running regular android. why keep sense ui only on hero...its htcs own custom ui so they should be able to do what they want.
plus the hero will just end up being a dud...a prototype for sense ui and see where they can improve upon..just like the g1...and the extra ram really does help with speed and multitasking.
and besides companies custom UIs is only included on phone without the 'with google" branding..(sprint hero is an exception)
Lol, that reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS7qVjr1Vps
OMG, why did HTC port sense to other Phones!, YOU WILL PAY HTC, whaaa, whaaa, I wanted exclusive!!!!
Dude, seriously...
Why do you care ?
Frankly I want to see Android do well. Why do I care if other Android phones get anothers UI ? All I care about is handset makers putting top grade hardware for these things.
In a forum much dedicated to importing UIs and Apps from other phones pretty damn ignorant to get upset about this.
i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
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i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
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they arent clones...tattoo has 1.6
even so, they arent clones..thats like saying two different dell laptops are clones because they both run windows 7
Sense is pretty much HTC's version or "Branch" of android much like Ubuntu is to
Debian (although not as different).
All HTC Phones with sense offer something different.
The Hero is an "All Rounder" (At the moment)
The Tattoo is a low cost budget phone with customisation aimed at the "less geeky" market.
The next "Major Release" they release with Sense UI will probably have the next version of Sense running on a 2.0 backbone and with a larger screen similar to the HD2.
did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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To be honest, I only wanted sense for the widgets and the music app. That was about it, other than that, I could care less about the UI. At the growth rate of android I'm sure custom UIs will be a thing of the past sooner or later.
Samsung listed on their twitter that they should be sending out Froyo towards the end of September, Not too bad, max a 2 months after the phone comes out for a decent update... go go Samsung.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/samsung-confirms-galaxy-s-will-get-froyo-in-september
Cool. Now I hope they stay on top of other updates in the future. And fix the GPS issue, obviously.
hopefully with all that time, they will have a good packaged update with minimal issues!
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Cool. Now I hope they stay on top of other updates in the future. And fix the GPS issue, obviously.
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I personally never had an issue with the GPS, it's very quick and extremely accurate. Have you tried the fix for it?
^^x2 never had an issue either
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Whoa there cowboy...
You do realize that tweet "confirmation" was from Samsung UK and just for Galaxy S on UK networks?
Until Samsung US confirms specifically for Vibrant, I wouldn't hold your breath through September.
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You do realize that tweet "confirmation" was from Samsung UK and just for Galaxy S on UK networks?
Until Samsung US confirms specifically for Vibrant, I wouldn't hold your breath through September.
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Yes I do, however when they say "All Networks" I think i'm only hoping it would include US
2 months is a long time to wait......
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2 months is a long time to wait......
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Not considering that it just released, I would consider that a fairly quick update imho.
considering the evo4g has been out for over a month and a half, its just getting it in august, granted yes its the first week of august but its gonna take a full month and a half to roll it out. its gonna be screaming fast on our vibrants as soon as we get it though. be patient, its gonna be awesome
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2 months is a long time to wait......
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Really? Two months is pretty quick considering the phone just launched here.
2.2's been out for a couple months now right? I think they should have shipped out with 2.2!
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Really? Two months is pretty quick considering the phone just launched here.
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Froyo haas been out for a coupe months on the Nexus already, its obnoxious that ask these vendors delay os updates for no real reason.
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Does any of this matter though? The only deadline I care about is when cm6 is ported over and works flawlessly.
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Does any of this matter though? The only deadline I care about is when cm6 is ported over and works flawlessly.
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+1 We'll get FroYo faster with a CM6 port, and that will work better anyways.
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Froyo haas been out for a coupe months on the Nexus already, its obnoxious that ask these vendors delay os updates for no real reason.
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There are a lot of reasons why these things get delayed. True, Google released 2.2 a few months ago and Nexus users already have it, but you have to realize that the N1 is a reference device and was meant to be used to show off what Android can do. Of course it will get updates first, because it's what Google uses to build off of.
Once Google releases the code, there are two more layers before going to the consumers - the phone manufacturer, and the mobile provider. Samsung has to deal with each of the mobile providers to make sure that their version has what they want included and that it's all working properly. Corporate bureaucracy is not a quick and smooth path to travel down - they probably have four hour meetings to discuss what color the worthless "MobiTV" icon should be.
I work in research for consumer goods so trust me when I say that manufacturers don't cater to consumers like us on these forums. While they certainly take us into consideration, they want to maximize reach and, thus, have to work with the lowest common denominator - John Q. Public. Why do you think the iPhone is so popular? It's pretty and it's easy to use.
Would you prefer Samsung blast out updates that don't work properly and spend all day on these forums looking for "fixes" for your issues, or that they get it (mostly) right the first time?
Samsung and T-mobile don't want to risk pissing off one-million people so that one hundred people get their Froyo early.
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+1 We'll get FroYo faster with a CM6 port, and that will work better anyways.
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+2 cm smashes regular froyo with all them goodies.. one would be 360 rotation so we can flip the phone upside down and surf the web when were in a poor signal area.... keep the antenna at the top....
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Froyo haas been out for a coupe months on the Nexus already, its obnoxious that ask these vendors delay os updates for no real reason.
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There are real reasons why HTC, Moto, and Samsung don't have updates immediately. The Nexus One runs a naked version of Froyo. As in, no extra customizations. As it should be for a reference device.
Love it or hate it, HTC, Moto, and Samsung used customized version of Android. HTC Sense, Moto Blur, and Touchwiz. These require extra testing. If you look at the test build for the Galaxy S that's available, Touchwiz hasn't just been ported to 2.2. Samsung has made some real and significant' improvements which require fine tuning.
I've noticed the following from screenshots and impressions:
1. A rotation lock button is now part of the Touchwiz notification bar. A HUGE plus IMO.
2. New select/copy/paste menu in the browser. Another big plus
3. Tweaked video player UI which from all accounts is a nice improvement.
4. Backlight adjustment by sliding your finger on the notification bar has been disabled/removed. A good move considering the amount of complaints I've seen about accidental adjustments when not using the auto backlight feature
5. Reworked settings menu for easier access.
6. I haven't seen it, but hopefully a voice-to-text button on the next version of SWYPE
All these enhancements are all proprietary to Samsung an require additional testing.
I'd rather they release a stable, fast build than to rush the release and face the kinds of bugs people are already complaining about. If you have no patience, feel free to swap your device for a Nexus One, HTC, or Motorola. I for one and excited they've kept their promise and is releasing the update in a respectable time frame. Not to mention no phone can replace the Super AMOLED goodness on this phone.
Also don't forget that HTC has much more experience with building and releasing custom interfaces. From what I've seen, Motoblur doesn't seem as refined or comprehensive as the enhancements from Touchwiz. Samsung is new to the Android game and has done as respectable job learning from their mistakes with the Behold II.
Just my 2 cents.
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There are real reasons why HTC, Moto, and Samsung don't have updates immediately. The Nexus One runs a naked version of Froyo. As in, no extra customizations. As it should be for a reference device.
Love it or hate it, HTC, Moto, and Samsung used customized version of Android. HTC Sense, Moto Blur, and Touchwiz. These require extra testing. If you look at the test build for the Galaxy S that's available, Touchwiz hasn't just been ported to 2.2. Samsung has made some real and significant' improvements which require fine tuning.
I've noticed the following from screenshots and impressions:
1. A rotation lock button is now part of the Touchwiz notification bar. A HUGE plus IMO.
2. New select/copy/paste menu in the browser. Another big plus
3. Tweaked video player UI which from all accounts is a nice improvement.
4. Backlight adjustment by sliding your finger on the notification bar has been disabled/removed. A good move considering the amount of complaints I've seen about accidental adjustments when not using the auto backlight feature
5. Reworked settings menu for easier access.
6. I haven't seen it, but hopefully a voice-to-text button on the next version of SWYPE
All these enhancements are all proprietary to Samsung an require additional testing.
I'd rather they release a stable, fast build than to rush the release and face the kinds of bugs people are already complaining about. If you have no patience, feel free to swap your device for a Nexus One, HTC, or Motorola. I for one and excited they've kept their promise and is releasing the update in a respectable time frame. Not to mention no phone can replace the Super AMOLED goodness on this phone.
Also don't forget that HTC has much more experience with building and releasing custom interfaces. From what I've seen, Motoblur doesn't seem as refined or comprehensive as the enhancements from Touchwiz. Samsung is new to the Android game and has done as respectable job learning from their mistakes with the Behold II.
Just my 2 cents.
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I completely agree with you, yes CM6 will be fantastic, but i believe that a Smart Phone such as our vibrant should be able to get everything out of it without being rooted, and i truly believe that 2.2 and all of Samsung's enhancements will allow this to happen. As long as T-Mobile doesnt choose to take out key features such as hotspot tethering, everything will be fantastinc. and thats my 2 cents.
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Really? Two months is pretty quick considering the phone just launched here.
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well, it launched in USA recently, but in EU its been out for a while.....
Droid X was launched after Vibrant and has 2.2 scheduled to get before 15th...
2 months is acceptable, but i wish Sammy was as fast as Motorola
Hi peeps...
As an HD2 owner at end of contract. One is in a quandry. I wanted S2 on Three AYCE... but now having second thoughts.
S2 excellent spec but looking at videos on youtube, touchwiz looks a little old, like old windows mobile 6, bit basic looking.
Sensation, lower specs but running sense. If it it works well I wont be bothered about rooting.
HD2 owners who have jumped on the Galaxy bandwagon, do you feel the integration of the calendar etc is less flash than Senses' integration etc?
Also, ideally i wanted to get a new phone before my honeymoon at end of the month. So not much time.
Early adopters of S2 are starting to complain about various things, and it's making me waiver. I've been running vanilla android on HD2 so have forgotten alot about Sense, but remembered it looked nice and well integrated.
Currently thinking of getting the htc on a cheap contract or buy, then buy a 3 AYCE sim to use with it. Decisions decisions!
Your thoughts...?
I had desire hd and i prefere touchwiz that sense, few bits id like to change on here but overall it isn't too bad, social hubs need to be removed "that's a must", i wouldn't say its like windows no way.
Havent tried sense 3.0 so couldn't compare.
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I guess the only way to decide is to pop down to the local 3 store and have a play. Big decision, will have it for a long time.
You do know there such things as launchers that easily replace the stock touchwiz, blur etc.
Just install it and you are good to go.
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HD2 owners who have jumped on the Galaxy bandwagon, do you feel the integration of the calendar etc is less flash than Senses' integration etc?
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My S2 didn't turn up today (should tomorrow), so I can't say on a day-to-day usage. But if you're in doubt then drop by a store somewhere if you can, and ask to have a play with a demo unit. You can't really test integration *properly* but it should give you an idea of what it's like.
As mentioned, you can try out other home launchers (ADW Launcher and Launcher Pro are two considered among the best) to see if you like any of them as an alternative to TouchWiz (or Sense).
Get whichever phone you actually want - as others have said, just replace the stock launchers if you dont like them - plenty of choice there.
Also - might not be a good idea to get the new phone just before your honeymoon, your mrs might not appreciate you having a second honeymoon period at the same time
There's more to it than the launchers in sense. Their own apps, and then the nice widgets they provide for you. A launcher just simply can't offer you the full experience.
Anyways on topic. Well personally I wouldn't even think of choosing the sensation due to the measely 1 gb rom. Now 512 on the HD2 was bad enough, but 1gb? And the fact that sense 3.0 is even bigger than other sense versions, so how much space do we actually have for apps? I know we have ways of "expanding storage", but a flagship shouldn't even require us to be doing such. And sense? Am I really going to let sense get in the way of me getting the best speced device out there? With the best screen? Or even best camera (who knows, I can say that sensation won't be packing a "wow" camera since it's HTC)?
Well that's all I can think of.
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I guess the only way to decide is to pop down to the local 3 store and have a play. Big decision, will have it for a long time.
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That is the smart thing to do...ultimatelly it will come down to your own preference. If you are used to Sense, you may not feel like changing...but then again, you might be curious to try something new/different...not necessarily better or worse.
Yeah recently changed from Mdeejays CM7 to BoyPPC and impressed with the LP sense bits. Might pre-order the sensation and in the meantime checkout the s2, if the Sensation does arrive around the 19th, I will have time to decide which I prefer, and presume I can return the Sensation. No PAYG tariff with VF though. Still want the 3 mobile AYCE.
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Hi peeps...
As an HD2 owner at end of contract. One is in a quandry. I wanted S2 on Three AYCE... but now having second thoughts.
S2 excellent spec but looking at videos on youtube, touchwiz looks a little old, like old windows mobile 6, bit basic looking.
Sensation, lower specs but running sense. If it it works well I wont be bothered about rooting.
HD2 owners who have jumped on the Galaxy bandwagon, do you feel the integration of the calendar etc is less flash than Senses' integration etc?
Also, ideally i wanted to get a new phone before my honeymoon at end of the month. So not much time.
Early adopters of S2 are starting to complain about various things, and it's making me waiver. I've been running vanilla android on HD2 so have forgotten alot about Sense, but remembered it looked nice and well integrated.
Currently thinking of getting the htc on a cheap contract or buy, then buy a 3 AYCE sim to use with it. Decisions decisions!
Your thoughts...?
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I would say the intergration on Sense is better. Like you i've been running a Vanilla ROM on my HD2 and it seems to work a lot faster. I use Launcher Pro which is good.
Touch Wiz is o.k but i've not had a proper play with it. The specs alone for the SGS2 make me want to get the phone!! Hopefully I should have one tomorrow.
I tried a pre production model of the Sensation at the Gadget Show Live. Nice phone.
Threes AYCE is good, and there signal (for me at least) is the best in my area thusly their speeds are amazing (2mbps)....but 24m contract...gets thumbs down from me
I like to upgrade my phone every 6 months so in having an 18 month contract, 1 in every 3 times i get a free phone. If i was on a 24m it would be 1 in every 4 phones....if you get what im sayin
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Threes AYCE is good, and there signal (for me at least) is the best in my area thusly their speeds are amazing (2mbps)....but 24m contract...gets thumbs down from me
I like to upgrade my phone every 6 months so in having an 18 month contract, 1 in every 3 times i get a free phone. If i was on a 24m it would be 1 in every 4 phones....if you get what im sayin
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12 month Sim Only AYCE for £25 is pretty good.
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Well personally I wouldn't even think of choosing the sensation due to the measely 1 gb rom. Now 512 on the HD2 was bad enough, but 1gb? And the fact that sense 3.0 is even bigger than other sense versions, so how much space do we actually have for apps?
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Doesn't the Sensation have 786 mb ram, and 4 gb rom, but only 1 gb of which is available to the user? 2 gb is reserved for apps and the other 1 gb is for sense, etc? I'll try and find out where i read this. I might have got it confused with the evo 3d, possibly.
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I was in the same position deciding whether to go with the S2 or Sensation however I was due an upgrade now and would never jump from O2 to Vodafone due to the poor reception I get in my area, nothing comes close to O2. Anyway I ended up getting the S2 as there's no official release date for the sensation on O2 or any other carriers except for June which is ages away. I will definitely be having a look at the sensation and if I like it that much I'll sell the S2 and get one as I have Sense 2.1 on my HD2 and love it, makes Touchwiz look a little plain and boring.
In the meantime I'll be trying out other launchers as I've done with web browsers as the standard S2 browser is pretty poor always defaulting to mobile user agent every use even after selecting desktop. I'm using Dolphin HD and it's really good so far.
I'm definitely missing Sense at the moment just for all the widgets, SMS, friendstream and music the most and then there's the screen layout, home should always be the middle not far left lol. I'm still giving Touchwiz a chance as it's definitely not as bad as I first thought from seeing it in the reviews.
Personally other than Sense I actually liked the bulk and feel of the HD2 also which I'm sure the Sensation will be similar to as the S2 is a little light and there's not alot to it.
You wouldn't be dissappointed with the S2 that's for sure it's a beast of a phone and I'm getting used to the "quirks" I'm not a fan of so I'm sure you could adapt likewise and with the right development support I'm sure there'll be customisations left, right and centre to make it that little bit better
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Doesn't the Sensation have 786 mb ram, and 4 gb rom, but only 1 gb of which is available to the user? 2 gb is reserved for apps and the other 1 gb is for sense, etc? I'll try and find out where i read this. I might have got it confused with the evo 3d, possibly.
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Yeah specs put me off too. But, if the screen allows to read web pages, like the iphone4, then that is a good bonus. Same with reading pdf's, the standard res of HD2 and possibly sg2, means small writing is blurred, again, will be interesting to test the sg2 in the shop.
re: memory, I believe its 4gb: 3gb for whatever and 1gb for user storage.
Recording 1080p, surely you need alot of storage memory, like sg2. htc=fail.
From what I see on GSMarena, it's 1 gb. For the evo 3d it's 4gb storage with 1gb ram.
i've been using htc desire for a year and though i like sense, i haven't really missed it since getting sgs2. sure touch wiz is not as good and the dock looks too much like iphone to my liking but there are so many decent launchers out there in the market which are as good as sense. its the hardware of sgs2 which makes this phone standout and even my iphone friends are well impressed by the screen and the smoothness of the phone.
Still not got hands on gs2 but now waivering to Sensation due to display resolution. Vodafone retentions reckon they will have it 16 to 19th May and will be Sim Unlocked. Will checkout gs2 this weekend. Either way, getting one 12month AYCE on 3mobile sim only.
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From what I see on GSMarena, it's 1 gb. For the evo 3d it's 4gb storage with 1gb ram.
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I just googled "HTC sensation internal memory" and half the results say 1 gb and the other half says 4 gb
I prefer sense over touchwiz any day myself, but i've got to admit, i'm leaning to the SGS 2 purely on hardware alone. Which some might say is a bit naive, i guess.
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The new Sense 3.0 looked really good from what I saw, but ultimately I decided to go for the S II as it looked a much nicer phone and specs wise it seemed better, discounting screen resolution. I mainly used LauncherPro previously and as TouchWiz wasn't really very good I switched over.
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Well after almost a week with the new Sprint Nexus-S 4G, I plan to return it and get my EVO going again. My EVO was rooted with the best Sense based ROM, "Myn's RS 5" I still think the EVO 4G is one of the better smartphones on the market ( if rooted, and good ROM installed ) even a year after it's release, and the EVO-3D should be even better yet.
I wanted the Nexus for the lightweight form factor, and easy fit in pocket...beautiful screen...and better battery life.
Well a week later I can NOT stand "vanilla" Android, didn't realize how much I took "Sense UI" for granted, basic Android feels so, uh basic, and years outdated. I mean come on the default Voice mail is to call a phone # to access messages, lol that's from the 90's man. The dialer and contacts also seem super basic and like iPhone1 or Android 1.5, and the default e-mail for non gmail is horrible, the standard e-mail widget on the EVO is perfect, and ten million times better.
So many things on "vanilla" Android just seems to be done so poorly and outdated, makes me wonder what people like about ? I know it is meant to be tweaked and played with, and add all your own custom apps and widgets, but that is stupid to me, that is just saying stock Android sucks.
Plus the battery life on my Nexus-S is not stellar like expected, sure it is better than my EVO, but barely, and the screen is actually harder to see outside in the sunlight.
Will go back to my EVO 4G, and upgrade to the EVO-2 ( 3d ), can only imagine a Myn's based ROM on that beast, with Android 2.3...dual cores...1gb memory...4gb storage...higher res screen...
Only thing I don't like on the EVO is it's thick and bulky size, it is borderline just too heavy, and big, not the 4.3" screen, I mean look at the new Galaxy S-2, that is 4.3 but super thin and lightweight, wish HTC could slim it down a bit.
Opinions ?
To each their own, I guess. I haven't tried the Nexus and don't plan to get one. I'm holding out hope we'll get we'll get the Galaxy S 2. I prefer AOSP over Sense. Sense feels gaudy to me and forces an aesthetic I don't care for. I like a lean, minimalistic approach that I can customize and make my own.
Either way. Welcome back.
You know you can put different ROMs on the Nexus S right?
I won't go with the Nexus S because it doesn't have a notification led [RETARDED] and because it's a minor bump from the Evo [not worth the loss of an upgrade] but it seems like most of your issue is the ROM itself.
Unfortunately, I read on the EVO 3D forum that if Myn can't get his hands on an EVO 3D for the upgrade price, he probably won't be devving for it. He technically doesn't qualify for an upgrade yet I believe.
So...hey, donate some money so he can buy one I guess or figure out a way to get him one for the upgrade price.
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To each their own, I guess. I haven't tried the Nexus and don't plan to get one. I'm holding out hope we'll get we'll get the Galaxy S 2. I prefer AOSP over Sense. Sense feels gaudy to me and forces an aesthetic I don't care for. I like a lean, minimalistic approach that I can customize and make my own.
Either way. Welcome back.
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That's what Myn's ROM "Warmtwopointtwo" is for, it is still "Sense" based, but gets rid of all the crapware and bloatware, and streamlines everything in the background, just keeping the core "Sense" stuff. It is a very clean and stripped down look, and then can still be themed and customized to your hearts content.
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Unfortunately, I read on the EVO 3D forum that if Myn can't get his hands on an EVO 3D for the upgrade price, he probably won't be devving for it. He technically doesn't qualify for an upgrade yet I believe.
So...hey, donate some money so he can buy one I guess or figure out a way to get him one for the upgrade price.
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hmm...I am surprised on this forum, there isn't a Sprint rep that can cut Myn a deal, get him one for the upgrade price and not pay full retail ? I thought after one year you can upgrade to a new phone by renewing on a new 2yr contract and get the phone for the $199 price ? And usually most people have a $150 gift certificate by staying with Sprint after like 10 months, I know I got one.
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That's what Myn's ROM "Warmtwopointtwo" is for, it is still "Sense" based, but gets rid of all the crapware and bloatware, and streamlines everything in the background, just keeping the core "Sense" stuff. It is a very clean and stripped down look, and then can still be themed and customized to your hearts content.
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I've tried it before. It by far is my favorite Sense rom, but I still prefer AOSP roms.
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I've tried it before. It by far is my favorite Sense rom, but I still prefer AOSP roms.
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So whats the best AOSP ROM ? CM 7 ?
Wish Cyanogen 7 was ready for the Nexus-S 4G, but they say have to wait for CM 7.1 that has official support for 2.3.4 that is on the Sprint Nexus-S.
I also got the nexus s two days ago and to be honest I love it. It a lot slimmer and lighter than the evo and it actually does not feel like its bulky in the pocket. The screen it very nice, but at times it seems a little oversaturated. Even thou it's got a 5mp camera it takes great pics and the video recording it's pretty good as well, granted it's not recording at 720p. Overall I am really enjoying a smaller phone ( didn't realize the evo was so massive compared to other phones) and hope that sprint gets a dual core 4 inch phone. I was saving my upgrade for the evo 3d but after having the nexus s I might just keep this and skip the evo 3d. Hopefully there will be a nexus 3 by the end of the year?? who knows.
in caparison to the evo;
...stock vanilla is just fine for me, straight to the point. Battery has lasting longer than the evo, nexus s does not have notification led but there is an app called "noled" which has been working just fine, love the phone design.
To be honest the evo is capable of doing everything i ever needed from a phone, and so does the nexus s ( but better for gaming) but with new and bigger tech coming out every 6months you always feel like you "need" the latest. So far the thing I'm really enjoying about the nexus is the size, it feels like the perfect size.
Zorachus said:
So whats the best AOSP ROM ? CM 7 ?
Wish Cyanogen 7 was ready for the Nexus-S 4G, but they say have to wait for CM 7.1 that has official support for 2.3.4 that is on the Sprint Nexus-S.
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I've been using Deck's AOSP rom. There's a link to it in the Android Development forums. I use 1.0 because GB 2.3.4 roms have a MMS issue. I use Savages Zen BFS 2.1.0. You may like it.
CM7 has been unusually shaky, consider their track record. I have hope 7.1 will being more stable than the past releases.
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hmm...I am surprised on this forum, there isn't a Sprint rep that can cut Myn a deal, get him one for the upgrade price and not pay full retail ? I thought after one year you can upgrade to a new phone by renewing on a new 2yr contract and get the phone for the $199 price ? And usually most people have a $150 gift certificate by staying with Sprint after like 10 months, I know I got one.
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UT OH! Someone hasn't been paying much attention for the last three months...
I was almost going to get Nexus. Glad I didn't. EVO 3d will be beast.
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I feel the opposite I'm keeping the nexus
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here's wishing there was a 'you must be borderline MR' button...
you do realize you can put almost whatever UI you want on almost any android phone, right?
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CM7 has been unusually shaky, consider their track record. I have hope 7.1 will being more stable than the past releases.
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I agree. CM is the only thing that makes AOSP any good. Without it, it does kinda suck. Unfortunately, CM hasn't been very good for me since CM6, forcing me to go back to Sense.
timothydonohue said:
here's wishing there was a 'you must be borderline MR' button...
you do realize you can put almost whatever UI you want on almost any android phone, right?
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Try putting a Sense based ROM or UI on my Nexus-S, there is only one that I know of, and it is in beta, with a lot of features still not working. Don't know of any other "Sense UI" for the Nexus-S ?
Nice thing with Sense based phones, is they get the Sense ROM's of course, but also can easily install the AOSP ROM's too.
Watch this good hands on video of the new EVO 3D, mainly showing off Sense 3.0, which I what I wanted to see more of, I could give two ****s about the 3D on the phone. Actually I wish Sprint sold two versions, the "Sensation" non 3D version is slightly thinner, but exact same hardware.
But Sense 3.0 looks very ncie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emdKBaC9sao&feature=related
Lol that video is like us trying to get Virus's rom to work right
Eh, it's only boring if you have no imagination and/or no ability to make things how you want them.
Vanilla android does one thing nicely, that's let you do anything you want. ADW and themes is a great example of that. I'm on AOSP right now and here's my homescreen, you may not like it, but if you don't think you could have made it how you wanted then you just didn't want to try. This is why we like Android over iOS, because we have freedom of expression, not conformity to look like everyone else's.
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Eh, it's only boring if you have no imagination and/or no ability to make things how you want them.
Vanilla android does one thing nicely, that's let you do anything you want. ADW and themes is a great example of that. I'm on AOSP right now and here's my homescreen, you may not like it, but if you don't think you could have made it how you wanted then you just didn't want to try. This is why we like Android over iOS, because we have freedom of expression, not conformity to look like everyone else's.
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So when I click your image on my evo is that the difference in screen size to scale? Or has the size of the image been reduced a bit?
Anyone care to speculate if HTC is feeling pressure to put a One on the play store?
Assuming the criteria would be:
-unlocked bootloader
-Stock Android
-Small price reduction (or price match to Dev edition 650)
Personally this woul be a very very good option for a Canadian such as myself. The One is definitely my first choice but Samsung is doing such a good job at luring me in with the things I value. HTC only seems to go half way, especially since Samsung just raised the bar and went full android, so to speak.
Speculate away!
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Anyone care to speculate if HTC is feeling pressure to put a One on the play store?
Assuming the criteria would be:
-unlocked bootloader
-Stock Android
-Small price reduction (or price match to Dev edition 650)
Personally this woul be a very very good option for a Canadian such as myself. The One is definitely my first choice but Samsung is doing such a good job at luring me in with the things I value. HTC only seems to go half way, especially since Samsung just raised the bar and went full android, so to speak.
Speculate away!
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I don't think HTC feels anything like that. As many people said, S4 nexus is expensive for many people and its not like everyone wants stock android. It'll be directed to a certain group of customers.
I definitely agree that a stock S4 is for a very select group of people. I'm not sure how that is too much of a deterrent for HTC... actually I don't understand HTC's actions at all. They always go halfway, it's like the marketing/lawyering departments have the leadership by the balls... Sort of like when the wife lets you buy a new sports car but she only approves small block engines that are sporty. Not the same thing at all!!
How much does it cost HTC or Samsung to strip and maintain a phone to AOSP?
I can't imagine the HTC One with out Sense 5. It makes it for me (as well as the build etc).
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I can't imagine the HTC One with out Sense 5. It makes it for me (as well as the build etc).
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I agree, I will chose Sense 5 over stock any day. Now if it was Sense 4.1 or touchwiz I can understand wanting it gone, but Sense 5 is so great IMO. I wouldn't mind the option, but things like camera (getting the image chip to work with pure android) and battery life seems to be what always keeps my HTC phone away from the pure android feel.
I have used plenty of HTC phones in the past and most of them had some form of HTC sense on them, and i have always preferred sense over stock. My last device was a nexus 4 which was pure aosp, and while it was definitely not bad, i found myself wanting sense on it all the time. I get that people have their own preferences, but htc builds their devices around sense and optimises sense to use on their hardware. I don't think HTC would release a aosp version. It would be nice if it did because we would get updates faster, but i don't see that happening anytime soon.
I read an article yesterday about some HTC Employee who tweeted something along the lines of "You can pay $649 for a cheap bit f plastic...or you could wait " Maybe HTC has something already in the works?
*EDIT* Found another article stating that HTC have denied rumours that they will be releasing a "Nexus" HTC One.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-denies-htc-one-nexus-edition-plans-15282252/
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I don't think HTC feels anything like that. As many people said, S4 nexus is expensive for many people and its not like everyone wants stock android. It'll be directed to a certain group of customers.
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^^ This. I feel releasing an aosp SIV especially not under the Nexus moniker is nothing more then another attempt to saturate the market and artificially inflate sales numbers. I think for that tiny community who doesnt root an aosp out of the box is a viable option. Look at our community though, we have aokp, cm, pa and all that jazz. For the larger community of rooters and flashers it just seems redundant to me.
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I have been using AOSP on all my devices since the very beginning, but for some reason i find myself really enjoying sense, i tried flashing CM10 but i did not like it =/ im just going to patiently wait for sense 5.1 4.2.2
I mean you could just get the dev edition and put cm10 on it, will take 5 minutes to flash
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I mean you could just get the dev edition and put cm10 on it, will take 5 minutes to flash
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Way too buggy
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I would like to add that putting something on the play store increases online availability dramatically. It's generally difficult to buy unlocked cell phones online without paying an extra premium. Especially if you don't live in the US! Yes there are ways but the party store is very accessible and hassle free. As a Canadian this is a huge plus. Just look at how many of us are screaming to get access to a Dev edition.
I've had to spend over 100 bucks in services for the privilege of doing so and then warranty suddenly becomes a huge issue. This is a huge reason the S4 is appealing as a person who doesn't do contracts.
I didn't like AOSP on my HTC One, for some reason sense is so freakin smooth and the eco system is amazing.
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I have been a nexus user for 3 years and personally prefer sense after switching to HTC one. Sense 5 is really awesome
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Maybe I should give sense a try... I'm seriously hooked on AOKP though... The level of customization is superior to none! Or maybe I an missing something.
Pretty much that is my end game desire. HTC one with 64GB and AOKP ponies.
I should apologize! Apparently the xperia Z pushed to aosp long before the S4. This really make me consider HTC stepping up to the plate as a real possibility since all the kids on the block are doing it.
Throwing it into the play store might not happen though.