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I am a current n1 owner rooted and all that good stuff, but usually before i purchase something I look it up online and see what the deal is.
I checked out the specs it looks pretty nice(just as good as evo4g droidx desirehd)
Yeah each phone has its pros and cons, but the nexus s is ****ing SICK I was in both verizon and sprint stores yesterday and checked out the samsung phones, for they all use the same screen and the quality of the devices are amazing. Yeah there lightweight and not made of a metallic material but no1 says the that about exotic cars being light weight either haha idk bad analogy maybe.
Nexus S is really nice tbh coming from a nexus 1 owner who is severely disappointed with the plain display and HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE touch screen nexus S rocks nexus ones socks off.
Still disappointed about the video recording situation and i understand its a software issue instead of hardware which makes me very happy so no worries on that front.
Also I use my nexus one with the stock SD card which is only 4 gigs and I think that is plenty enough for me and i only fill it up from nandroid backups haha idk this is just my view on things and for those who are uncertain about buying a nexus s. Def going to bestbuy tommorow to buy me one of these then ima buy a oem housing for my n1 and new battery and give it to my brother (his first android phone) he will def love it just as much as i did.
But the matter of the fact is that i dont see why people say its a let down when google obviously knew what the phone would be they said they worked with every department of samsungs engineer team to make the phone so these specs are going to be as up to date as the nexus one was and still is.
These dual core phones although are probably going to be ****ing epic and stuff, but like honestly what are we all going to use these dual cores for? saving battery would probably be the biggest pro but like dual cores processors wtf are we gonna do play some pc games or render movies? idk thats just me !
what you guys think?
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Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job
It's because everyone is brain washed by the terms Steve Jobs uses a lot. "Revolutionary" and "Magical."
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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job
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Not really, the .1 update is just the changes from finalizing AOSP approvals.
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It's because everyone is brain washed by the terms Steve Jobs uses a lot. "Revolutionary" and "Magical."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZS8HqOGTbA&feature=related
You should get a great laugh out of that DKYang
That's because people that love their nexus s and haven't had any issues with it aren't starting threads praising how good it is because they are too busy playing with the phone =D
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As an admitted Apple fan who's had an iPhone from V1, up to the iPhone 4, and;
As a guy who's tried Android - Droid X, Samsung Fascinate,
The Nexus S is the best Android phone I've ever used. There are things I still love about the iPhone 4: retina display, build quality (use of metal, scratch-resistant front and rear, amazing battery life), fantastic app selection and peripheral choices galore.
That said, I am really enjoying the Nexus S. The design aesthetic is equal to the latest iPhone in my opinion - the all-black face, the lack of logos on the front face, the curved glass (which looks great and feels great). Gingerbread is more aesthetically pleasing than previous Android versions. The customizability inherent in Android is nice. The app store/marketplace is getting better although there are still glaring omissions vs. the iPhone store (CNN news, for example).
Hardware-wise, I greatly prefer the Nexus S to the Droid X or Samsung Fascinate (Verizon). Better aesthetic, better feel when held in hand or by the face. I wish Samsung had made the back cover out of higher-quality, less scratch-prone materials. Software-wise, it's totally worth it to get faster major updates from Google than to wait for the carrier and device OEM to get their build out. Also, the lack of carrier crapware is much, much better for the consumer.
I'd like Android to combine its great notification system with on-screen notifications when the device is locked a la iPhone (e.g. push news alerts). I'd like a more elegant folder design a la iOS. The new cut & paste and text selection is nice, but I'd like consistency across ALL apps in this regard a la iOS. I'd like a unified inbox for communications from various sources. I'd like them to fix the annoying field bug when adding contacts from Map listings. Android still lags iOS in the clever use of multi-touch gestures across the OS, and it needs to address this. I should be able to swipe and delete like iPhone, vs. long press and menu select, etc. Android also needs its own form of eye candy sprinkled more liberally throughout the OS. Gingerbread's "display off" emulation of a cathode ray tube is a small step in the right direction. The OS should have a lot more of this compelling eye candy to meet or exceed the fit and finish of iOS, but it has to be "uniquely Android" or it will seem like a poor facsimile.
Hardware: I'd like Samsung to keep what they're doing, but up the quality of build materials, particularly on the back of the device. The Nexus S is a big step beyond the Galaxy S design, in my opinion, and better materials like the Nexus One had would go a long way.
In a nutshell, this is the first Android phone that I prefer at times over my iPhone 4. But not always. iPhone still has the advantage over "Pure Google" in Hardware build (some), software elegance (more), and ecosystem app and peripheral choices (most). Vs. the "non-pure Google" phones, it's not even close. People may complain that Apple is "closed" but at least they focus on what's good for the end user. The choices that are made by OEMs and carriers in the Android universe are rarely good for end users, and this is on display with the superior Nexus line of products.
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I am a current n1 owner rooted and all that good stuff, but usually before i purchase something I look it up online and see what the deal is.
I checked out the specs it looks pretty nice(just as good as evo4g droidx desirehd)
Yeah each phone has its pros and cons, but the nexus s is ****ing SICK I was in both verizon and sprint stores yesterday and checked out the samsung phones, for they all use the same screen and the quality of the devices are amazing. Yeah there lightweight and not made of a metallic material but no1 says the that about exotic cars being light weight either haha idk bad analogy maybe.
Nexus S is really nice tbh coming from a nexus 1 owner who is severely disappointed with the plain display and HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE touch screen nexus S rocks nexus ones socks off.
Still disappointed about the video recording situation and i understand its a software issue instead of hardware which makes me very happy so no worries on that front.
Also I use my nexus one with the stock SD card which is only 4 gigs and I think that is plenty enough for me and i only fill it up from nandroid backups haha idk this is just my view on things and for those who are uncertain about buying a nexus s. Def going to bestbuy tommorow to buy me one of these then ima buy a oem housing for my n1 and new battery and give it to my brother (his first android phone) he will def love it just as much as i did.
But the matter of the fact is that i dont see why people say its a let down when google obviously knew what the phone would be they said they worked with every department of samsungs engineer team to make the phone so these specs are going to be as up to date as the nexus one was and still is.
These dual core phones although are probably going to be ****ing epic and stuff, but like honestly what are we all going to use these dual cores for? saving battery would probably be the biggest pro but like dual cores processors wtf are we gonna do play some pc games or render movies? idk thats just me !
what you guys think?
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I believe its hardware, not software. But some day can be hacked with reduced FPS, just like Nexus One
All Google and Samsung knew is that they dont need to spend money on building the phone because it already existed for 6 month. They had lots of time to test Gingerbread on this hardware, and things like lack of Gorilla, LED, Bluetooth 3.0, SD-card, make me think they ran out of parts and used whatever was available at the time.....and in the end the phone is close to $600 bucks with tax in USA and even more in EU.
for me it's hardware deficiency lack of microSD support, no Bluetooth 3.0, the software is clean which is perfect IMO
I think people that are coming from other phones and maybe some Nexus One owners are happy with NS (I would be), But people with Galaxy S line phones (as myself) look at Nexus S as a downgrade. If NS was FREE or maybe $50 bucks, then I would give it some thought, but for $600 there is nothing to think about. Ps. I dont use FFC, flash/flashlight is pretty much the only positive hardware I see in NS.
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I think people that are coming from other phones and maybe some Nexus One owners are happy with NS (I would be), But people with Galaxy S line phones (as myself) look at Nexus S as a downgrade. If NS was FREE or maybe $50 bucks, then I would give it some thought, but for $600 there is nothing to think about. Ps. I dont use FFC, flash/flashlight is pretty much the only positive hardware I see in NS.
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It isn't a downgrade at all if you're sick of waiting for Samsung and/or T-Mobile to deliver the newest and latest Android. Not only that but open-sourced kernels, Samsung Vibrant (and other Galaxy S phones) relies on leaks and the final version has not been released. Who knows when they will become available.
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Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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2.3 runs fine on my captivate. I dont have any of the issues you are talking about. I read that a lot of people are having issues with the new screen. It may not be all 2.3 related.
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It isn't a downgrade at all if you're sick of waiting for Samsung and/or T-Mobile to deliver the newest and latest Android. Not only that but open-sourced kernels, Samsung Vibrant (and other Galaxy S phones) relies on leaks and the final version has not been released. Who knows when they will become available.
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I was sick of waiting......not anymore. I really dont care about official 2.2 because leaked Froyo for Vibrant is 100% fast and stable (with Nero and Voodoo). As far as 2.3 vs 2.2, for me they are the same...2.3 featuring looks and animations outside and game optimization under the hood. I already have all Ginger looks and animations, and i dont play games. I would put it this way, Touchwiz 2.2 has MUCH more useful features then 2.3
PS. It looks like Vibrants in USA officially get shipped with Froyo already. EDIT: ****ing Samsung switched the dates again
yes, waiting for 2.2 was an agony for SGS owners, now that most devices are on 2.2 it'll be another big challenge to get 2.3 for the rest of the SGS line up.
and it's true SGS takes to long to receive any Official release of 2.2/2.3 all 2.2 and now 2.3 that people got their hands on, was all leaked out or ported from other phones.
that's the only positive thing i like about the NS
People are complaining for two main reasons.
1. The hardware is nothing groundbreaking, the Nexus One was far better than anything else available when it launched. The Nexus S hardware is not bad but it is not any better than what is already on the market. I think people expected the Nexus line of phones to move Android forward, the way the Nexus One did and the Nexus S did not do that. The hardware just did not move the bar like the Nexus One did.
The only advantage to the Nexus S is the software (getting updates first and pure Android). This is enough for me to consider getting one in addition to my G2, but many people won't think this is a big enough difference to justify the purchase.
2. People always expect more when they pay more, I would bet more people paid full price for their Nexus S than other phones. Higher expectations = more complaints.
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Personally, my complaints are entirely about Gingerbread. It's disappointing to see so many glitches with stock Android.
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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job
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Lol!
But yeah i dont think its the phone being bashed for being whack...its just peoples expectations for the ns was set a lil too high.
Samsung couldve saved so much time just removing touchwiz from the gs
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People are complaining for two main reasons.
1. The hardware is nothing groundbreaking, the Nexus One was far better than anything else available when it launched. The Nexus S hardware is not bad but it is not any better than what is already on the market. I think people expected the Nexus line of phones to move Android forward, the way the Nexus One did and the Nexus S did not do that. The hardware just did not move the bar like the Nexus One did.
The only advantage to the Nexus S is the software (getting updates first and pure Android). This is enough for me to consider getting one in addition to my G2, but many people won't think this is a big enough difference to justify the purchase.
2. People always expect more when they pay more, I would bet more people paid full price for their Nexus S than other phones. Higher expectations = more complaints.
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.....+1 this was said so beautifully.
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Well after almost a week with the new Sprint Nexus-S 4G, I plan to return it and get my EVO going again. My EVO was rooted with the best Sense based ROM, "Myn's RS 5" I still think the EVO 4G is one of the better smartphones on the market ( if rooted, and good ROM installed ) even a year after it's release, and the EVO-3D should be even better yet.
I wanted the Nexus for the lightweight form factor, and easy fit in pocket...beautiful screen...and better battery life.
Well a week later I can NOT stand "vanilla" Android, didn't realize how much I took "Sense UI" for granted, basic Android feels so, uh basic, and years outdated. I mean come on the default Voice mail is to call a phone # to access messages, lol that's from the 90's man. The dialer and contacts also seem super basic and like iPhone1 or Android 1.5, and the default e-mail for non gmail is horrible, the standard e-mail widget on the EVO is perfect, and ten million times better.
So many things on "vanilla" Android just seems to be done so poorly and outdated, makes me wonder what people like about ? I know it is meant to be tweaked and played with, and add all your own custom apps and widgets, but that is stupid to me, that is just saying stock Android sucks.
Plus the battery life on my Nexus-S is not stellar like expected, sure it is better than my EVO, but barely, and the screen is actually harder to see outside in the sunlight.
Will go back to my EVO 4G, and upgrade to the EVO-2 ( 3d ), can only imagine a Myn's based ROM on that beast, with Android 2.3...dual cores...1gb memory...4gb storage...higher res screen...
Only thing I don't like on the EVO is it's thick and bulky size, it is borderline just too heavy, and big, not the 4.3" screen, I mean look at the new Galaxy S-2, that is 4.3 but super thin and lightweight, wish HTC could slim it down a bit.
Opinions ?
To each their own, I guess. I haven't tried the Nexus and don't plan to get one. I'm holding out hope we'll get we'll get the Galaxy S 2. I prefer AOSP over Sense. Sense feels gaudy to me and forces an aesthetic I don't care for. I like a lean, minimalistic approach that I can customize and make my own.
Either way. Welcome back.
You know you can put different ROMs on the Nexus S right?
I won't go with the Nexus S because it doesn't have a notification led [RETARDED] and because it's a minor bump from the Evo [not worth the loss of an upgrade] but it seems like most of your issue is the ROM itself.
Unfortunately, I read on the EVO 3D forum that if Myn can't get his hands on an EVO 3D for the upgrade price, he probably won't be devving for it. He technically doesn't qualify for an upgrade yet I believe.
So...hey, donate some money so he can buy one I guess or figure out a way to get him one for the upgrade price.
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To each their own, I guess. I haven't tried the Nexus and don't plan to get one. I'm holding out hope we'll get we'll get the Galaxy S 2. I prefer AOSP over Sense. Sense feels gaudy to me and forces an aesthetic I don't care for. I like a lean, minimalistic approach that I can customize and make my own.
Either way. Welcome back.
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That's what Myn's ROM "Warmtwopointtwo" is for, it is still "Sense" based, but gets rid of all the crapware and bloatware, and streamlines everything in the background, just keeping the core "Sense" stuff. It is a very clean and stripped down look, and then can still be themed and customized to your hearts content.
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Unfortunately, I read on the EVO 3D forum that if Myn can't get his hands on an EVO 3D for the upgrade price, he probably won't be devving for it. He technically doesn't qualify for an upgrade yet I believe.
So...hey, donate some money so he can buy one I guess or figure out a way to get him one for the upgrade price.
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hmm...I am surprised on this forum, there isn't a Sprint rep that can cut Myn a deal, get him one for the upgrade price and not pay full retail ? I thought after one year you can upgrade to a new phone by renewing on a new 2yr contract and get the phone for the $199 price ? And usually most people have a $150 gift certificate by staying with Sprint after like 10 months, I know I got one.
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That's what Myn's ROM "Warmtwopointtwo" is for, it is still "Sense" based, but gets rid of all the crapware and bloatware, and streamlines everything in the background, just keeping the core "Sense" stuff. It is a very clean and stripped down look, and then can still be themed and customized to your hearts content.
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I've tried it before. It by far is my favorite Sense rom, but I still prefer AOSP roms.
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I've tried it before. It by far is my favorite Sense rom, but I still prefer AOSP roms.
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So whats the best AOSP ROM ? CM 7 ?
Wish Cyanogen 7 was ready for the Nexus-S 4G, but they say have to wait for CM 7.1 that has official support for 2.3.4 that is on the Sprint Nexus-S.
I also got the nexus s two days ago and to be honest I love it. It a lot slimmer and lighter than the evo and it actually does not feel like its bulky in the pocket. The screen it very nice, but at times it seems a little oversaturated. Even thou it's got a 5mp camera it takes great pics and the video recording it's pretty good as well, granted it's not recording at 720p. Overall I am really enjoying a smaller phone ( didn't realize the evo was so massive compared to other phones) and hope that sprint gets a dual core 4 inch phone. I was saving my upgrade for the evo 3d but after having the nexus s I might just keep this and skip the evo 3d. Hopefully there will be a nexus 3 by the end of the year?? who knows.
in caparison to the evo;
...stock vanilla is just fine for me, straight to the point. Battery has lasting longer than the evo, nexus s does not have notification led but there is an app called "noled" which has been working just fine, love the phone design.
To be honest the evo is capable of doing everything i ever needed from a phone, and so does the nexus s ( but better for gaming) but with new and bigger tech coming out every 6months you always feel like you "need" the latest. So far the thing I'm really enjoying about the nexus is the size, it feels like the perfect size.
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So whats the best AOSP ROM ? CM 7 ?
Wish Cyanogen 7 was ready for the Nexus-S 4G, but they say have to wait for CM 7.1 that has official support for 2.3.4 that is on the Sprint Nexus-S.
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I've been using Deck's AOSP rom. There's a link to it in the Android Development forums. I use 1.0 because GB 2.3.4 roms have a MMS issue. I use Savages Zen BFS 2.1.0. You may like it.
CM7 has been unusually shaky, consider their track record. I have hope 7.1 will being more stable than the past releases.
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hmm...I am surprised on this forum, there isn't a Sprint rep that can cut Myn a deal, get him one for the upgrade price and not pay full retail ? I thought after one year you can upgrade to a new phone by renewing on a new 2yr contract and get the phone for the $199 price ? And usually most people have a $150 gift certificate by staying with Sprint after like 10 months, I know I got one.
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UT OH! Someone hasn't been paying much attention for the last three months...
I was almost going to get Nexus. Glad I didn't. EVO 3d will be beast.
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I feel the opposite I'm keeping the nexus
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here's wishing there was a 'you must be borderline MR' button...
you do realize you can put almost whatever UI you want on almost any android phone, right?
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CM7 has been unusually shaky, consider their track record. I have hope 7.1 will being more stable than the past releases.
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I agree. CM is the only thing that makes AOSP any good. Without it, it does kinda suck. Unfortunately, CM hasn't been very good for me since CM6, forcing me to go back to Sense.
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here's wishing there was a 'you must be borderline MR' button...
you do realize you can put almost whatever UI you want on almost any android phone, right?
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Try putting a Sense based ROM or UI on my Nexus-S, there is only one that I know of, and it is in beta, with a lot of features still not working. Don't know of any other "Sense UI" for the Nexus-S ?
Nice thing with Sense based phones, is they get the Sense ROM's of course, but also can easily install the AOSP ROM's too.
Watch this good hands on video of the new EVO 3D, mainly showing off Sense 3.0, which I what I wanted to see more of, I could give two ****s about the 3D on the phone. Actually I wish Sprint sold two versions, the "Sensation" non 3D version is slightly thinner, but exact same hardware.
But Sense 3.0 looks very ncie
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Lol that video is like us trying to get Virus's rom to work right
Eh, it's only boring if you have no imagination and/or no ability to make things how you want them.
Vanilla android does one thing nicely, that's let you do anything you want. ADW and themes is a great example of that. I'm on AOSP right now and here's my homescreen, you may not like it, but if you don't think you could have made it how you wanted then you just didn't want to try. This is why we like Android over iOS, because we have freedom of expression, not conformity to look like everyone else's.
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Eh, it's only boring if you have no imagination and/or no ability to make things how you want them.
Vanilla android does one thing nicely, that's let you do anything you want. ADW and themes is a great example of that. I'm on AOSP right now and here's my homescreen, you may not like it, but if you don't think you could have made it how you wanted then you just didn't want to try. This is why we like Android over iOS, because we have freedom of expression, not conformity to look like everyone else's.
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So when I click your image on my evo is that the difference in screen size to scale? Or has the size of the image been reduced a bit?
I love htc but they did us wrong with the kernal source. I know we got it but they made us wait a while. Even though we did well without is thanks to our awesome devs. I was wondering if all you out there will stick to htc or go elsewhere due to the support? Im not totally mad because like i said we did great without it. Let me know whats in on your mind.
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i'm still gonna support HTC cause no matter what they got the build quality and i love sense still the best
Yeah Sense UI is what keeps me with HTC, its just so pretty and their phones are solid, but here recently i have been thinking alot about them doing us wrong on source but HTC is where ill prolly stay.I have been looking at the Design too
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The build quality on HTC's are solid. The kernel source was really frustrating to me and the way Samsung is handling things makes me want to go Samsung next device. Alas I still have another year+ for an upgrade.
I love HTC I know they took a lot to release the kernel source, like everybody else the build of their phones is great, the htc loggers issue and now the wimax issue.. and still love sense no other manufacturer skin on top is better.
I just switchd to the Motorola Photon just cause it has a great build quality, better radios the international capabilities and is faster overall but the most important thing is that I bought it brand new for only 250 bucks that was less than half price...
But I would definitely buy HTC again in the future.
I agree with others that HTC makes a great phone, and I love Sense; but I'll probably go to a different manufacturer next time around due to the lack of communication from HTC about the delay in releasing our source plus the data logging being done unscrupulously by HTC.
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Yeah Sense UI is what keeps me with HTC, its just so pretty and their phones are solid, but here recently i have been thinking alot about them doing us wrong on source but HTC is where ill prolly stay.I have been looking at the Design too
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I was thinking of the Design too. I figured by New Years/Christmas that maybe the price would drop a little and i can get a good deal on it
It's true HTC did screw everyone by holding up the Source Kernel. I for one am truely pissed off by this. But that being said, I WILL buy an HTC device when I finally decide to retire my Shift. Because I prefer their devices to all the others I have owned (Samsung, Motorola, LG, Sanyo).
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I agree with others that HTC makes a great phone, and I love Sense; but I'll probably go to a different manufacturer next time around due to the lack of communication from HTC about the delay in releasing our source plus the data logging being done unscrupulously by HTC.
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The data logging is done by all manufacturers... samsung's is called "carrier iq"... we will never escape big brother...
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The data logging is done by all manufacturers... samsung's is called "carrier iq"... we will never escape big brother...
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You can believe that , big brother is always watching. Here's a little tid bit for all you out there. I read somewhere recently that their are over 1 million surveillance cameras active in the US
I'm gonna stick with HTC because they have the best quality android phone with sprint. The samsungs and lgs feel like toys and also feel like if you dropped them they'd break. Plus Sense is awsome....
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Although HTC has delayed the Evo Shift kernel source they have stuck to their word on other devices. Look at how fast the kernel source for the HTC Sensation and HTC Evo 3D were released. But like others said I am also pissed about how they kept it from us for so long. Then the only reason they did is because we all got sick of it here on xda and decided to bug the sh** out of them about it. Next time we need to not wait so long and get on their a**es right away
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Definitely will stay with HTC. They, imo, have the best quality devices. And yes ill say it also, sense rocks!!
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I will go with whatever company has a phone with the features I am looking for and it must be able to be rooted fully and I want the Kernel sources released in a timely manner. Build quality is one major thing I do look for. I will not switch from Sprint either...I get too good of an employee discount through my work(24%).
I was in Sam's Club yesterday and handled some of the phones and the Epic Touch 4G is way too big and feels cheap. I would probably not buy a Samsung because of how they feel even though the features and screens seem nice...way too big on the Epic Touch. But nice if they made a high end phone in a 4" screen or smaller like last years models. I am not sure if the screens would overcome the build quality...tough call. Samsung does seem a little better lately with support though.
The Photon felt really nice. It felt solid and seemed to have nice features including a nice kickstand. The styling is a nice change as well. I would consider a Motorola based on build quality and features but I wouldn't buy one until a full root was achieved. They seem better lately but I don't trust them as a company.
The HTC EVO Design 4G felt the best of the bunch. I would love that phone if it had the specs of some of the higher end phones. The build quality was great. It reminded me of the Nexus One based on how it has the unibody type build to it. I would consider this phone in a heartbeat if it had a dual core processor.
The EVO 3D was nice as well but I hate the fact I would be buying a phone with 3D. Even though I could turn it off I hate knowing I am paying for a feature like that which I don't care about. Give me the EVO 3D specs in the EVO Design body/screen size minus the 3D and I'd be in heaven.
It is just too bad you have to buy a tablet sized screen to get the best specs anymore. After owning the EVO Shift as my first smartphone and using Swype and Swift Key X I will not buy another phone with a hardware keyboard but I will also not buy a phone with a screen larger than 4" so I am in a sort of dilemma as I don't have a lot of choices these days in high end phones. Hopefully by January-June 2013 there will be better options with better sized screens available. That Epic Touch just felt huge. There is no way it would be comfortable to put in my pocket.
Anyway, back on topic. Yes, I would buy another HTC but not out of brand loyalty or anything like that. I buy based on what the phone has to offer.
amoled looks soooo good that I'll be jumping brands when the time comes.
I'm actually upgrading from my shift to an epic 4g touch but strictly for issues with the device(ie. Messages, contacts, replacements w/ corroded motherboards) but I plan on keeping my shift and rooting it. Just can't stay with a manufacturer who can't do anything to help on a carrier who only cares about high end devices.
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Ok what if google can get updates out like apple does to its devices. Notice sprint does not even have ics yet for the nexus s since sprint is launching the galery nexus soon so I bet sprint just only,let a few phone get the ics update as a beta if you will as then user would not buy the newer ics phone. So if google charged a small update fee provided your phone meets the requirements. Or why does google even allow all these add ons like sense and touchwiz. Why not have the pure google non skinned version for like a few dollars and if you want the custom sense then wait for htc samsung to release it a year later.... cough cough fryo.... cough cough gingerbread....
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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those average non xda people dont even know root or the latest software means it more of a phone to call and text and browse internet. they dont care if their phone has the latest and greatest updates.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
/trollface
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
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You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
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I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
/trollface
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Lol I don't either. Meaning we don't buy it. PERIOD!!!!
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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+1
And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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+1
And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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i would pay for official updates if it means they come as soon as google releases them. perhaps google should not release any updates until all carriers and manufacturer are ready to push them to all phones that meet the requirements. Do what microsoft does and they just push them to all phones at the same time so the carriers dont have a say in the matter... sort of like windows update on the pc. just check for the update and then install... carriers and manufacturer have too much power to decide who gets what...
I'd love to have mine done in a timely manor. I hear it's nice this time of year!
NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
No. Just like I would not pay extra for gas to have someone else come out and pump it for me. In both cases we already pay too much, for gas, for the phones, service and insurance. If all phones were free I would think about it. But you pay more for a better phone, it damn well better be updated in a reasonable timely manner.
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The manufacturer should be providing timely updates as part of buying the phone. We should expect new versions of the OS until at least the EOL and then bugfixes and security updates for another two years past that as a minimum.
Now that we're done with fantasy land, I wouldn't mind paying a nominal charge for a version update provided that they have a stable bug-free version of the current OS. IMHO Samsung never got there with the Epic.
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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The average non-xda user wouldn't know what 'stock' android is, and frankly, they probably wouldn't be impressed with it for this reason right here
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
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I haven't used Sense, but from my limited experience, Blur is horrid. TW smokes it by a mile. I enjoyed some of the features of Touchwiz, no joke.
And OP, while Google may now own Motorola Mobility, it doesn't mean they own all the hardware. It just means they kind of do with Motorola. They still don't with Samsung, HTC, LG, Sony, etc etc etc.
I'm still a firm believer the biggest reason Google bought Moto was for the patents, not to try and complete with Apple by owning both hardware/software.
EDIT: For the record, I think the number one way to go about the issue is this: all android phones, stock, come with their own skin out of the box by default. However, the user has the ability to go with stock Android upon bootup or something like that. Maybe a tutorial that guides users stating what that skin brings to the table. Maybe something saying here's what you'll have with the skin vs without it, and list off apps and features associated with it.
This way, us android-heads can get any phone we want with stock android, and the average user still has the same options as today.
I wanted to put something of worth within this thread as a conversation topic, but it has become rather vexing trying to pick apart the compilation of sentences that the OP's has been using lol, though me saying I mean no offense would not help I don't think heh.
In regards to paying for an upgrade, it does occur in iOS when the next incremental upgrades come to the iPod Touch Line, for iPhone's a user is guaranteed that update due to being on a monthly plan with their device unless that device is gradually replaced in which case it goes no further upgrade wise as there is a new iteration close to it in price and internal size, if iPad's are affected in the same way being on carrier/off carrier I'm unaware, I also haven't upgraded my iPod Touch in a long while either to test the validity of that, so I'm open to correction. Though iOS has been on 5.x for a bit anyways.
In this case.
Android lacks something iOS does in this case, uniformity, which is how Apple portrays their control over their platform and why it's so popular and simple to use, they limit what can be used and what is used and set a basis forward to keep compatibility in the long run. The Nexus Line is controlled by Google and their partner in each step of the way, more by Google however because they essentially get to pick and choose what they want which works well in the whole grand scheme of things, which means timely updates are to come. They don't have control over LG, HTC, Sony, or Samsung for that matter in their other endeavors in Android and what "crap"(lack of more proper word) that's proprietary they decide to put within the platform for the sake of bragging rights, they're their own entities which for the most part have added to the overall disconnection of Android across the board. Buying out that specific aspect of Motorola was a play for patents to avoid lawsuit not a play for control.
Saying you'd pay money for an update to Android on your phone becomes problematic, in our case, ICS. If you paid $10 because you to have the update when it came out, in the following months it'd be very likely it'd have problems, and you'd be the prime benefactor of said problems. You paid $10 for an update, now what about the update to address that issue? Or the update following that update to address the following issues? Or what if you paid for an update and never got an update in the long run, just for the sake of not having one?
Would those be paid as well? I'm only throwing forth baseless scenarios, because this arrives to the entitlement aspect of things. Paying to get an update makes you entitled to said update, when a company can G.A.F less about an older piece of hardware having support when they've devices in their minds which are twice as good as last years model. I understand where you're going with this thread but, paying for your update in software wouldn't make the fact that your phone is aging any better, nor would it make Android any more uniform, it'd only make it more annoying of a platform due to it. It's not a better alternative than just waiting it out on what you're currently using until you can upgrade your line to something new. Spending more money to have your phone officially supported is rather foolish. In my opinion though.
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And essentially the Epic isn't EOL/EOS. It just happens to be on it's last legs. So whether it's last update is stable or not won't matter at that point.
tiitle is self explanatory, just curious coming from a HTC wether (because im hell bent on buying nexus 4 due to spec for the price plus google update support) we will see any HTC Sense UI based roms?
Short answer: No. Sense is an HTC skin job, this is an LG.
Second: Why the hell would you do that?
Highly doubt it. People usually get nexus devices for the pure stock Android experience and having skins like HTC sense just ruins it. That's why we didn't see any FULL port for Galaxy nexus. Just unfinished ports that nobody used as daily driver
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It's possible, I remember there being a project to try and get sense on the GNex, but it would probably take a long time since there aren't many people who want it so the number of developers and testers would be small.
Here's a video of a pre beta that came out - video
No. Its horrible and worse. You will like stock.
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if you really want htc skin then get the htc one x+
After all the time I spent to make my s3 work and look like aosp on the nexus, including the on screen button with the hardware ones disabled, now that I've sold it for the nexus, it seems just mental to apply sense or whatever else interface ...to me at least
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People have been trying for a long time now to port Sense to various phones (Sense4All etc). Though there has been progress, it can't even be considered beta yet. So if getting Sense is a concern to you, don't buy the N4. Safe to say, its not gonna happen.
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This. One X is a much better looking phone anyway. And it may not be quite as powerful, but it's easily in the same league.
I really hope so. While stock Android is nice, it would be great to have options. Sense 4 would freaking fly on this phone.
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Short answer: No. Sense is an HTC skin job, this is an LG.
Second: Why the hell would you do that?
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What Antebios said. Don't even dream of it happening because it won't.
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What Antebios said. Don't even dream of it happening because it won't.
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There's no reason why it couldn't, if there was a few developers that really really wanted to do it, it's possible. It's just extremely unlikely.
Would love to see a port of the Sense 4+ keyboard though. IMHO, it's better than stock (even stock 4.2).
I think Sense5 would be fun to play with. Sure most Google fan-boys don't like it, but it's still nice; just needs refinement (specifically for battery use).
i would definitely flash a sense rom on the nexus... plain AOSP looks a bit dud after a while.
If you like HTC crap (I own an HTC, and personally hate them for their policies, but that's another story..) so much, go for the OX+, which is fine.
There is a lot of personal opinion based guestimation here. I thought google flagships released all the device information to the public so that it would be easy to make roms. I remember the good ol days of the nexus 1 when if you got bored of plain jane you could toss sense on it. Get bored with that toss cyan on it. Get bored with that, here is a port for a different phone, and so on. Sense has GREAT photography features but it does use up a LOT of memory. Looks are a matter of taste though. If you love clean and simple and no bells and whistles then light weight roms are where its at. Sense comes with plenty of spaces filled in though. It truly is a Skin job looking modern and sleek. That's my 2 cents I guess.
so the short and most conclusive answer is: Its possible.
No it is not possible. Sense requires HTC drivers and frameworks. Many great devs have tried over the years and they all end up mostly not working for things like data, camera and things like that.
Sense is not a skin on top of android it is a whole different version of android like a different linux distro with closed sourced files that will only run on HTC devices.
Wanna switch phones man, sense sucks and stick with what you got.. I have HTC and 95% of the time I'm on a CM10 rom
Highly doubt it'll ever happen.
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