Ok guys, so i was very disappointed with the android keyboard. Its a great keyboard but something about it and the nexus just didn't work well in landscape mode. So i was browsing around the forums and i found a port, i decided to try it out. Now, its a simple apk file that doesnt replace the original one. To me it seems a bit better, i think the keys are a bit wider but then it might just be me. I wanted to post it here and have some of you guys try it out and tell me if there is a difference or if i just think its different. Tell me your guy's feedback, thanks.
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Ok guys, so i was very disappointed with the android keyboard. Its a great keyboard but something about it and the nexus just didn't work well in landscape mode. So i was browsing around the forums and i found a port, i decided to try it out. Now, its a simple apk file that doesnt replace the original one. To me it seems a bit better, i think the keys are a bit wider but then it might just be me. I wanted to post it here and have some of you guys try it out and tell me if there is a difference or if i just think its different. Tell me your guy's feedback, thanks.
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I'm giving it a try, I'll let you know in a few days how I like it.
Just installed this... I do believe the keys are a bit bigger in this version, but it's very subtle.
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Just installed this... I do believe the keys are a bit bigger in this version, but it's very subtle.
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It is a bit taller and very subtle but i think thats what i was really looking for, something a bit taller. In landscape the space is easier to push and the rest of the key aren't bad. I have to say i am quite happy with this one.
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It is a bit taller and very subtle but i think thats what i was really looking for, something a bit taller. In landscape the space is easier to push and the rest of the key aren't bad. I have to say i am quite happy with this one.
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The other slight difference I can tell is that the keys are slightly rounded as opposed to the squared off keys on stock.
Works for me - seems to produce fewer errors than the stock keyboard - thanks!
Rich
Been using this keyboard since yesterday and it's quite nice. Thanks for posting the link.
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Been using this keyboard since yesterday and it's quite nice. Thanks for posting the link.
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Agreed. Its quite nice. I've had a lot fewer errors (auto-corrected or not) than on the stock keyboard. Nice post OP!
Giving it a shot and seems to be better so far.
As a huge critic of the stock keyboard, I'm very excited to try this. Installing now. Will drop feedback after a day or two of use.
Initial impressions:
-Yes, the keys are definitely higher, slightly so. This should make it feel less cramped. I can tell already the extra room makes it easier to type.
-I still wish we can long press respective letter keys to get to their alternative symbols as oppose to only being able to long press the period key to find commons symbols.
-This will take more time to test, but it seems it's harder to recreate the double-letter hit issue which I criticize the keyboard heavily about. If this turns out to be true... hurray! Kenvan, have you noticed the double-letter issue popping up less? EDIT: Nevermind, it's rearing its ugly head again, but my early impression seems to show it happening less, which is a good start.
OP, where did you find this alternative? Thanks for sharing. I can tell it's better than stock just for the shear extra room. I ask because I'm wondering if the creator did anything else software-wise to make it better, if you all are reporting it's less prone to errors. I'd be curious to know what he did.
nvm need more research.
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As a huge critic of the stock keyboard, I'm very excited to try this. Installing now. Will drop feedback after a day or two of use.
Initial impressions:
-Yes, the keys are definitely higher, slightly so. This should make it feel less cramped. I can tell already the extra room makes it easier to type.
-I still wish we can long press respective letter keys to get to their alternative symbols as oppose to only being able to long press the period key to find commons symbols.
-This will take more time to test, but it seems it's harder to recreate the double-letter hit issue which I criticize the keyboard heavily about. If this turns out to be true... hurray! Kenvan, have you noticed the double-letter issue popping up less? EDIT: Nevermind, it's rearing its ugly head again, but my early impression seems to show it happening less, which is a good start.
OP, where did you find this alternative? Thanks for sharing. I can tell it's better than stock just for the shear extra room. I ask because I'm wondering if the creator did anything else software-wise to make it better, if you all are reporting it's less prone to errors. I'd be curious to know what he did.
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Yea i read your post on the other keyboard thread you started. Yea so far i am really noticing a lot better results with this keyboard. I have been testing it for a week now and its going great. I was browsing around the android section in the threads and i found it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878073&highlight=Keyboard
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Yea i read your post on the other keyboard thread you started. Yea so far i am really noticing a lot better results with this keyboard. I have been testing it for a week now and its going great. I was browsing around the android section in the threads and i found it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878073&highlight=Keyboard
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Hmmm...that's odd. Per the first post of that thread, this is just a port of the Gingerbread keyboard that was originally made for earlier versions of Android.
So this is our stock keyboard with what modifications. The changelog in that post doesn't suggest anything special about it in terms of making it better on our Nexus S than the stock.
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Hmmm...that's odd. Per the first post of that thread, this is just a port of the Gingerbread keyboard that was originally made for earlier versions of Android.
So this is our stock keyboard with what modifications. The changelog in that post doesn't suggest anything special about it in terms of making it better on our Nexus S than the stock.
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Yes, i was a bit hesitant to try this because i figured it was just our keyboard ported over but its different from our keyboard. Its a very slight difference, but a difference indeed. The keys are slightly longer and that just seems to make things a bit easier, for me and so far for the few who have attempted the keyboard. I took a screen shot of both stock and this ported stock, i guess you can call it, and you can see the slight difference.
Plus, i was just wandering around and i found this thread and thought "what the heck, let see it," it was never originally meant to go onto the nexus s but it seems better than what came with nexus s.
This keyboard rocks. Thank you!
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After a typing all day with this version of the stock keyboard, I am noticing it produces the same issues/errors as the regular stock version. I'm still noticing the double-letter hits with the first words of letters and/or the last words of letters ("eexample" or "examplee"); I'm also still noticing missed presses ("exmple"), but on the plus side: I am noticing far less missed space bar presses. Another issue that still occurs is the system missing auto corrections that it would normally get. For example, typing "tgan" usually automatically corrects to "than" but sometimes it misses it, and I see "tgan" throughout my emails. Very frustrating.
I predict the reason most people are reporting less errors using this version versus the reg. version is because of the higher keys. This alone makes this version better than the reg. version. But in terms of software, it's more or less the same, and the same problems creep up.
In the end, I'm going to return to Better Keyboard 8. Although it has the same issues (double-letters, etc.), at least it's features are more robust. Quick "?" key, or long-press for all letters alone makes it far easier to type on. Key height adjustment allows you to pick what's perfect for you too, and etc.
Honestly, it's disappointing and straight up baffled why Google themselves don't just implement all or some of these features to their keyboard. Sorely missing from both the stock keyboard and BK8 are custom auto-corrections, a feature Smart Keyboard Pro implements flawlessly. It's just a shame SKP has its own slew of issues with Gingerbread (it misses space bar and letters like crazy); oddly, none of these issues happen using SKP on my Vibrant. I don't know why.
In any case, thanks again for sharing, OP.
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I would really like this one:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10037202-1.html
Really really nice
http://www.swypeinc.com/index.html << here is the product website
This is awesome. I'm looking forward to test it.
Really nice idea
This is just awesome, i can't see it working in theory, but in reality it does, it's great.
He convinced me with Mississipi
great idea. i haven't seen the video just read the text and seen the picture. it seems it is more for one handed use, because you have to hold down your finger until the word is completed. I personally use both hands/thumbs on my hardware and software keyboard (mississippi took me 6 taps to get the word with TouchPal, now unless swype can beat those taps it won't improve only degrade my productivity)...I'd still give it a try though it seems cool.
Swype uses one 'tap' for Mississippi.
Watch the video.
Looks Awesome!
This looks AWESOME! I signed up for the beta and received an e-mail telling me they will let me know when the beta is available.
one word - WOW
This looks simply AMAZING. I can't wait to give this a go, as I've yet to be too impressed with ANY other input method over the years; although there's been some great ones. If swype works as promised, I reckon this could be the 'be all, end all' input method.
good info, thanks.
Wow I can´t wait to test it!
this will be intresting for both my diamond and touch screen laptop
man, this is unbelievable. considering most of the time is wasted on finding the right letters on the virtual keyboard when/when-not using a pen, this will be amazing even for touch usage.
i'm mind blown. gotta get this
Interesting to note that someone else has had a go at this already:
http://www.mobiletextinput.com/
But definitely this keyboard looks better
It surely looks nice, and with a stylus it will rock, but don;t you think the friction will be a little too much for thumb writing?
I've seen the video on this programme (I think it's an interview by CNET). You sure can swipe around the keyboard fast.... but you need the engine to come up with the list of predicted words for you to select. If that can't be improved, while you will have an easier time to just 'swipe' your finger around, you may not be able to input your text a lot faster. You may end up spending more time waiting for the list to appear and select the desired words.
this is awesome but I feel strange..I think its impossible using swap the letters can appear exactly as we want..I mean when we want to write
"allready" how can we swipe over from a to l and how bout double l? hard to use i think
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this is awesome but I feel strange..I think its impossible using swap the letters can appear exactly as we want..I mean when we want to write
"allready" how can we swipe over from a to l and how bout double l? hard to use i think
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firstly.. its "already" one l..
but I read on CNET that it is actually really easy:
"Little tricks make it possible to capitalize words (jerk the stylus up and down) or select double letters (wiggle the pen over a letter)."
the only disappointing thing is that in the video, the portion that is actually on a WM device, the keyboard appears sluggish and there is a delay when entering words. hopefully thatll be improved!
here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10037202-1.html
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firstly.. its "already" one l..
but I read on CNET that it is actually really easy:
"Little tricks make it possible to capitalize words (jerk the stylus up and down) or select double letters (wiggle the pen over a letter)."
the only disappointing thing is that in the video, the portion that is actually on a WM device, the keyboard appears sluggish and there is a delay when entering words. hopefully thatll be improved!
here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10037202-1.html
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i'm sure we can worry about the delay think when we get to the "using the keyboard" bridge... and give feedback, just like with any other app.
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firstly.. its "already" one l..
but I read on CNET that it is actually really easy:
"Little tricks make it possible to capitalize words (jerk the stylus up and down) or select double letters (wiggle the pen over a letter)."
the only disappointing thing is that in the video, the portion that is actually on a WM device, the keyboard appears sluggish and there is a delay when entering words. hopefully thatll be improved!
here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10037202-1.html
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lol well the point is if we want to entered double or even tripled words can it be done? example I want to think "emmmmm....I'll see it later"
will be really hard to accomplish using this keyboard hehe especially for people who like to express their feelings with strange words
Ok my fellow nexus one lovers... I had a Nexus one for about a month, and upon first opening the phone, there was dust, so I immediately got a replacement. I thought it was cool that next day when I show up at work, they had sent me my replacement so I was quite suprised on the service. Anyways, the phone was great, loved every aspect EXCEPT when texting, it wouldn't register my delete, and instead, a stupid smiley... in a way, I was getting pissed cause google was "smiling" at me when I was trying to do something else.
So my question is, I really want to go back, or wait for the HD2, but I feel the nexus is a better fit, especially when I use almost all the google features... but the texting/screen issue is a factor... I know people all over have this issue, and there isn't a resolution yet (that I've found) so what do I do? Wait? Suck it up and get it again? What are your suggestions???
FREE ME FROM MY BLACKBERRY!!!!!!!!!
Cheeze[iT] said:
Ok my fellow nexus one lovers... I had a Nexus one for about a month, and upon first opening the phone, there was dust, so I immediately got a replacement. I thought it was cool that next day when I show up at work, they had sent me my replacement so I was quite suprised on the service. Anyways, the phone was great, loved every aspect EXCEPT when texting, it wouldn't register my delete, and instead, a stupid smiley... in a way, I was getting pissed cause google was "smiling" at me when I was trying to do something else.
So my question is, I really want to go back, or wait for the HD2, but I feel the nexus is a better fit, especially when I use almost all the google features... but the texting/screen issue is a factor... I know people all over have this issue, and there isn't a resolution yet (that I've found) so what do I do? Wait? Suck it up and get it again? What are your suggestions???
FREE ME FROM MY BLACKBERRY!!!!!!!!!
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It took me 3 phones to get all my issues fixed. If you're worried about fast customer service, get a phone that is supported directly by a carrier (Mytouch3g, droid, etc).
I have a good friend who just got a droid after being a huge crackberry fan. He loves it.
The nexus one is a pilot program so there will be growing pains to endure.
In terms of the touch issues watch your other fingers around the edge of the touch screen. I notice whenever my screen goes wonky a finger that shouldn't be touching the screen is.
Keep in mind you can get other keyboards than the stock that are agruably better anyway.
Good luck and thanks for supporting Android.
Didnt realize you were talking about screen issues, since using Cyanogen I havent expierenced them, but I dont know if they've been fixed for regular users.
hmm I didn't pay any attention to it after I rooted/flashed cyanogen... guess I'm going to have to think about this one a little bit. but overall I loved it. Do you guys think it will be fixed.... someday?
Well its an issue that theyve been made well aware of on their support forums so I would assume theyre working on a solution, I dont know why they wouldnt be.
just curious, but are you using the stock keyboard?
No, im using better keyboard right now and use smart keyboard and swype from time to time, just like to mix things up every once in a while, I type so fast on this thing now that smart keyboard and better keyboard have pretty much made swype useless to me. Smart Keyboard is free in the market and Better Keyboard is like 2 bucks and is pretty similar but is theme-able which I like. I also dont use auto correct or suggestions or any of that stuff so I dont know how they work for those.
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No, im using better keyboard right now and use smart keyboard and swype from time to time, just like to mix things up every once in a while, I type so fast on this thing now that smart keyboard and better keyboard have pretty much made swype useless to me. Smart Keyboard is free in the market and Better Keyboard is like 2 bucks and is pretty similar but is theme-able which I like. I also dont use auto correct or suggestions or any of that stuff so I dont know how they work for those.
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Smart Keyboard and Better Keyboard are really just the stock keyboard with minor differences and more customization (but nothing innovational), if you really want to enjoy your typing experience - I suggest installing the HTC_IME, the typing creation cooked up by HTC for their Sense UI phones.
Nothing really beats it, I don't see how anything could. Swype though, is lovely.
I still feel like I type faster on smart or better keyboard, it could be I just havent gotten used to HTC IME yet, i used it all the time on my mytouch but ive just gotten so use to these keyboards that I dont even have to look to type, like typing this whole thing for example. I guess in the end its all just personal preference.
whats the "htc ime" ? link? seems interesting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624416
not every input on the hardware keyboard is recognized & I know this is an issue with the epic as I've read quite a few folks experiencing it around the web but I'm curious if any1 who frequents this site has it & maybe found a fix or something. its a real p.i.t.a having to constanty fix what I'm typing because of this issue. epic #2 because of this not trying to make it #3 to only happen again
+1 I have the same issue. No solution that I know of, maybe we are just too fast for it. LOL, hopefully we will wee a fix when the developer ROMs start coming out. I don't know. On a similar note, the spelling correction doesn't happen for me either. And I have the rocking screen. Although I'm not worried enough about any of that to get it swapped for a new one.
I am having the same issue... every now and then the keyboard doesn't recognize certain inputs especially hen you start typing pretty quickly on it...
BTW I typed when not hen just showing it is doing it now haha.
I use smart keyboard pro to allow the text prediction and edit to occur.
Hope this is a software issue not faulty keyboard...tried to take it in to sprint and the only thing they said they would do was do hard reset on the device and wipe all data.... ya that wouldn't do crap
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I thought it was just me typing too fast. It seems like it doesn't register when two keys are hit too closely together
I actually noticed that when typing really fast, sometime the keyboard freezes up.
It SEEMS like its because the keyboard registers a button long press, because the phone opens up the little addition letters popup.
Either way its really annoying because I don't use any of the additional long press symbols! I'm hoping when custom roms are created, they can remove the button long press menu!
I think you guys should write down what buttons exactly aren't registering. If you all have the same issues with the same buttons, then its probably a fixable issue - or its hardware. If its issues with different buttons, then its probably going to be harder to fix.
it really isn't any certain buttons its just once you get to typing pretty fast it just can't keep up and will RANDOMLY miss letters... so my report would be that it isn't any certain letters at all just dependent on how fast your typing...
Another thing is that sometimes it isnt just when typing fast it happens as well when I'm typing slow
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it really isn't any certain buttons its just once you get to typing pretty fast it just can't keep up and will RANDOMLY miss letters... so my report would be that it isn't any certain letters at all just dependent on how fast your typing...
Another thing is that sometimes it isnt just when typing fast it happens as well when I'm typing slow
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exactly .. and its annoying !
I'm fairly confident it's a hardware problem because if I press the buttons firmly (not hard but firm if that makes sense) it will register the letters regardless of how fast I type.
Yup, I've experienced this as well. It's annoying but not a dealbreaker, yet.
I feel like tipping my hat into this topic. I just switched from AT&T to Sprint, got the Epic, been a happy camper thus far. I have noticed the same exact keyboard issue, and I've noticed that it isn't getting as much coverage as it should be.
With my epic, it's COMPLETELY RANDOM. It'll happen 500 times in one sentence, and sometimes, it won't happen for an entire hour. It doesn't seem to be a hardware issue, because no matter how slow I type, or how firm I press down on the keys, the problem will rear it's ugly head.
I'll wait this out until the end of the 30 days. On the 29th day, if nothing's been done, via Sprint/Samsung or XDA, I shall swap for an Evo.
I use the keyboard constantly and have never experienced this.
I do routinely experience *extra* keypresses because of my giant fingers.
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I use the keyboard constantly and have never experienced this.
I do routinely experience *extra* keypresses because of my giant fingers.
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same here... had my epic since launch and never had or even heard of this issue until now...
I do however have issue w/ the onscreen keyboards auto correction feature and the fact that i can be difficult to go back and edit w/o arrow keys... but thats my gripe w/ swype... not the epic ... lol
Then I'm guessing its worth it to get a swap since not everyone is having this issue.
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Xodium said:
Then I'm guessing its worth it to get a swap since not everyone is having this issue.
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I would consider it a defect and as I use the keyboard pretty much exclusively for typing (I still can't figure out how the heck anybody uses a virtual keyboard - that's why I bought the Epic), I would definitely return it if I had any issues with the keyboard that I thought were caused by either a hardware or a software bug. If the second one I got was the same, I would return it again and get a different phone entirely, on a different carrier if necessary. That's how important I consider the keyboard.
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I would consider it a defect and as I use the keyboard pretty much exclusively for typing (I still can't figure out how the heck anybody uses a virtual keyboard - that's why I bought the Epic), I would definitely return it if I had any issues with the keyboard that I thought were caused by either a hardware or a software bug. If the second one I got was the same, I would return it again and get a different phone entirely, on a different carrier if necessary. That's how important I consider the keyboard.
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Unfortunately, I have only two choices where I live now. Verizon or Sprint. And seeing as Verizon made me famous on the internet, I won't be going back to them anytime soon. Plus, their only good, keyboarded Android phone, the Droid 2, has the same crappy-feeling keyboard, and Motoblur/eFuse is the dealbreaker. (I do hold high hopes for the enV touch 2/enV Pro or whatever they're calling it, as the voyager form-factor is pretty neat, and the keyboard was actually decent)
Sprint seems to be batting a thousand when it comes to good Android phones. Not to mention their service is cheap and effective here.
Plus, not all bad. I think an Evo + Better Keyboard would be SWEET.
I'm actually having the same keyboard problem, where it misses a LOT of keypresses (depending on how fast I type). Is it really a defect in the phone?
I am having this, too, but I it seems like not everyone is. Guess it's going back to Sprint tomorrow.
5 phones since launch day ... all swapped for brand new ones because all have the issue. some weren't as bad as the others and since getting #5 a few days ago I seem to only have had it happen a few times .. folks claiming not to have it do u use the physical keyboard or swype for majority of inputs ? maybe ya just don't notice lol
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5 phones since launch day ... all swapped for brand new ones because all have the issue. some weren't as bad as the others and since getting #5 a few days ago I seem to only have had it happen a few times .. folks claiming not to have it do u use the physical keyboard or swype for majority of inputs ? maybe ya just don't notice lol
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Like I said, I use the physical keyboard exclusively. Never had this issue. I use it for searches, texts, personal emails, even business emails to customers. And I type fast enough that when Samsung put out that "world record" commercial with the guy using Swype a while back, I was like "that's supposed to be fast?"
I wonder if there is some service or app that is interfering with the keyboard on some of you guys' phones; something that's taking over the whole system for a half second every once in a while.
Ton of feature rich keyboards I know...but I like this.
Like the huge space bar...less errors. http://www.mediafire.com/?wy2wryijxpvk7q7
Once you've had swype you don't ever go back
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Once you've had swype you don't ever go back
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BS. Never liked swype and don't use it. The version on the Epic Touch is buggy and slow.
rockky said:
Ton of feature rich keyboards I know...but I like this.
Like the huge space bar...less errors. http://www.mediafire.com/?wy2wryijxpvk7q7
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Thanks for sharing. But, I can't find voice recognize. Any idea?
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BS. Never liked swype and don't use it. The version on the Epic Touch is buggy and slow.
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Seriously I never tried it before the note and I find it far quicker and more accurate to type, really impressed.
And definitely wouldnt use another keyboard now that didnt work by tracing out the word.
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Seriously I never tried it before the note and I find it far quicker and more accurate to type, really impressed.
And definitely wouldnt use another keyboard now that didnt work by tracing out the word.
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Yea. I used swype on my HD2.
I mean I could go back, but Swype is so much quicker and easier.
I like Swype!
I've tried Swype a few times but I can't get the feel of it at all so never use it. Trying the ics keyboard now and finding it's a bit better at auto correcting spaces which is handy.
Swype rules.
S-pen toggle ICS keyboard
love this ICS keyboard layout (having such a small space bar on others just pisses me off), but is there any way to add the Pen input for it on the SGN? kinda defeats the purpose of it on this handset if you can't use it.
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Seriously I never tried it before the note and I find it far quicker and more accurate to type, really impressed.
And definitely wouldnt use another keyboard now that didnt work by tracing out the word.
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Swype is by far the best. It's so easy and simple and forgiving. I barely even hit my intended letters and it almost always knows what I'm typing. The idea of taping out messages or emails seems archaic now. Especially with the s-pen....it's just such an effortless pleasure.
Takes a day, max. That being said, is love to be able to use Swype on the ics keyboard.
JG
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Ton of feature rich keyboards I know...but I like this.
Like the huge space bar...less errors. http://www.mediafire.com/?wy2wryijxpvk7q7
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Thanks
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I tried the keyboad but have no comment as of now. Why? Because it still lags just like the previous other keyboards I've tried, if your a fast texter like myself the phone is slow & cannot catch up which leads to mistakes in EVERY word I write, it's a nightmare...
I hope they fix this issue in the next update.
Currently using ''smart keyboard pro'' which I think is one of the BEST keyboards, also being VERY customizable & comes with several great skins, all of which are great in their own way, even the colours you can change...
I think the note will be FAR superior once it gets the ice cream update and will be even smoother and faster than what it already is.
I found it initially lagged but after turning off most of the features it works OK now aside from occasional lags which I assume is due to some other application slowing it down. Its auto correct can be intermittent but I have it turned down as I don't want it too aggressive
... How long did it take you to feel like you'd made the right choice?
Right now the only thing I'm liking is the screen...
Scrolling in the browser seems choppier than my stock n900, and I'm missing the keyboard massively...
Really want to end up loving it, but all I can see right now are things that make me feel like it;s a massive step backwards...
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... How long did it take you to feel like you'd made the right choice?
Right now the only thing I'm liking is the screen...
Scrolling in the browser seems choppier than my stock n900, and I'm missing the keyboard massively...
Really want to end up loving it, but all I can see right now are things that make me feel like it;s a massive step backwards...
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Well...to be honest i don't know what to say - if you don't like it, you don't like it - you get used to it. Few year ago i was all about physical keyboards, but with introduction of the iPhone i realized it's time to let go. It took me some time but i finally got used to on-screen keyboards - and believe you me, there isn't a single on-screen keyboard that's better than the one on the Note ( the stock ICS / CM9 one, not the TouchWiz crap ).
About the scrolling...what ROM/Browser do you use ? I recommend CM9 with stock browser - super smooth "iphone-like" experience.
been there, done that. i got used to it really fast. the only thing that i'm really missing is the keyboard. i send a ton of text. but u get used to the virtual keyboard by time.
also, my note runs really smooth. i flashed a stock ICS and i'm running latest speedmod kernel.
I came from the n900 and it took a few weeks but you will get there. I missed the keyboard at first but when o use the n900 now I carnt use the hardware keybord , all I can say is stick with it you will grow to love the note and won't want to go to any other phone .
Bit i will say I'm cursed I had the dreaded USB port failure on my n900 several times and now had it on my note so be careful
But the n900 is the only phone I know to survive a 90mph tumble down the road and survive the note isn't as durable get a cover on that screen
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bletozavr said:
been there, done that. i got used to it really fast. the only thing that i'm really missing is the keyboard. i send a ton of text. but u get used to the virtual keyboard by time.
also, my note runs really smooth. i flashed a stock ICS and i'm running latest speedmod kernel.
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Reluctant to upgrade to ICS because I don't want to lose flash in the browser.. I've got used to the web in my pocket being the same as the web on my desktop..
mistman said:
I came from the n900 and it took a few weeks but you will get there. I missed the keyboard at first but when o use the n900 now I carnt use the hardware keybord , all I can say is stick with it you will grow to love the note and won't want to go to any other phone .
Bit i will say I'm cursed I had the dreaded USB port failure on my n900 several times and now had it on my note so be careful
But the n900 is the only phone I know to survive a 90mph tumble down the road and survive the note isn't as durable get a cover on that screen
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Yep, this was my second N900, the first one suffered the dodgy port, was fixed, then broke again, and so I got a brand new one last March. Was fine literally up until about a month ago at the end (luckily) of my holiday, when it wouldn;t switch on. Now if the battery runs out I have to reflash, and the power button does nothing, either when the phone is on off.. Ah well..
It's not so much the general typing, so much as ctrl-x,c,v, and cursor keys to edit text and scroll up/down dialog windows in browsers etc, but after a quick google it seems there's other keyboards with cursor function.
Ctrl+N for a new browser window, or contact was always well handy, and being able to start typing someone's name to bring up their details rather than having to press contacts first...
Also I can't figure out how to use keys to interact with flash in the browser...
Akiainavas said:
Well...to be honest i don't know what to say - if you don't like it, you don't like it - you get used to it. Few year ago i was all about physical keyboards, but with introduction of the iPhone i realized it's time to let go. It took me some time but i finally got used to on-screen keyboards - and believe you me, there isn't a single on-screen keyboard that's better than the one on the Note ( the stock ICS / CM9 one, not the TouchWiz crap ).
About the scrolling...what ROM/Browser do you use ? I recommend CM9 with stock browser - super smooth "iphone-like" experience.
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At the mo I'm on gingerbread and using the stock browser, literally just got the note today, but keen to delve right in once I'm sure I'll be keeping it. Was well at home in the terminal on the N900, power kernel, overclocking etc, but it all seemed a lot safer - I've seen a lot of threads about people accidentally bricking their Notes...
Just had a little play with some N64 roms, the increased screen size and speed are at least a couple of nice plusses so far...
Trying to find a PSX emulator, ideally free... Again, I think having the N900 spoiled me..
Tedri Mark said:
Reluctant to upgrade to ICS because I don't want to lose flash in the browser.. I've got used to the web in my pocket being the same as the web on my desktop..
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Flash works just fine on ICS. The only thing is that Chrome for Android doesn't support flash. The rest of them does.
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LordManhattan said:
Flash works just fine on ICS. The only thing is that Chrome for Android doesn't support flash. The rest of them does.
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Ah, sweet, maybe I will do the upgrade then, although still a bit nervous as I've heard that even the official Samsung ICS release is not 100% safe?
Or have I just misinterpreted that?
Seems that although flash is working, it is maybe not working as well as under gingerbread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666913
I came from n900, the second best phone I got after my lovely Note of course!
Yes I did miss the hw keyboard but when I found swype option it was an OMG it is really rally fast for typing, in both case you need two hands, so it is not a problem in this case.
About the browser, on n900 was a real desktop browser with flash included, really great, never missed my laptop under this point of view. But, Note with ICS seems to be good too, didn't test enough but saw an option to turns it as a desktop browser, and we have here last flash version!
If we talk about battery life, n900 loses badly, Note is incredible with batt, longer last, whole working day with some fun included. I just charge my note once a day.
Well I don't remember what other things did like to me on n900, that means I don't miss it yeah!
Ohh the contact manager was better on n900, never had duplicates contacts, the synchronization with social networks was amazing. On Note, after many months with can't handle SNS sync properly, in fact my contact list is a mess
Hope it helps, regards mate!
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i came from an n900 as well.
its not too bad once you figure how to get things done.
i still prefer the hardware keyboard on the n900 though since i could feel the keys, so i could type without looking. but after a bit of practice with the note, i got a lot faster (to the point where my note lags, stutters and doubles up on letters). the only thing i'd prefer would be a slightly smaller screen for typing, so i'll probably get a smaller phone next time.
the only thing i really miss from the n900 is the integrated stand. that was useful for when you want to watch movies.
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Ah, sweet, maybe I will do the upgrade then, although still a bit nervous as I've heard that even the official Samsung ICS release is not 100% safe?
Or have I just misinterpreted that?
Seems that although flash is working, it is maybe not working as well as under gingerbread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666913
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Sure, flash isn't the smoothest and best thing on Android, but it runs and does the job. Stay away from the leaked kernels. ROM's that uses Xplodwild's kernel like CM9 and ParanoidAndroid are safe and won't have the brick bug.
Just read the OP and do some research before you flash anything.
Tedri Mark, if you owed a N900 before that means you like physical keyboard and your best choice after the Note would certainly be the Samsung Captivate Glide which has a 4inch screen and keyboard - some say it's a Galaxy S2 with a keyboard. It's better if you look for some reviews on youtube to get a better idea.
until 2011 n900 was the best phone ver made for me but new phones are really way better then that now. about the physical keyboard, i have phones without physical keyboard for 2 years and still missing it . screen keyboards are ok but not good as physical ones for me.
kromosto said:
screen keyboards are ok but not good as physical ones for me.
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Definitely, there is nothing better than a physical keyboard for typing! I missed that too.....if samsung could build a 4.5 or 4.8 inch screen phone with same same specs as the S2 + a physical keyboard, personally I'll sell my Note immediately! I emailed a lot daily and typing using a virtual keyboard is a pain when you are in a hurry with a lot of things to write!
Experimenting with browsers at the Mo, struggling to find one that renders the non mobile version of Facebook properly.. Both dolphin hd and ics browser + seem to struggle with the pop up gallery format... Quite annoying, and I'm not keen at all on the cut down versions and apps.
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well, what you aren't missing is the battery life. It was just ****ty on the N900, and the screensize, and the resolution.
that was a coincidence that you posted it. I have the exact same problem with my conversion from my n900 to a Galaxy Note.
I really really wanted to like the Galaxy Note (i am a linuxfanboy after all for over 12 years)but in all honesty, i don't. I was sad to see such a (in my eyes beautiful) device like the n900 be abandoned by nokia (but that's for another section i guess to QQ) It's not the size that turned me off or the device itself (i love the screensize!), but the way Android works for me. It's just feels cumbersome, sure it can do a LOT of things but most of these things it does "feel" slow at doing, and buggy...
Touchscreen typing in comparison to the N900 feels ... well nothing ofcourse, you don't feel anything at all... a physical keyboard still feels good and better than nothing. Though the onscreen keyboards of android are still way worse than the iPhone keyboard. But I can't get used to this typing. To be fair I think I type faster now on my SGN but that has probably got to do with the fact that I care less about my spelling and 'auto-correct' mistakes. I don't text/mail as much as i used to do only when it's necessary. I don't feel like picking up my SGN if i want to browse anything on the web, games (multitouch anyone?) scrolling is still slow and laggy. Moving around in android is something i do out of neccesity not because i wanted to explore things on my phone like the N900.
Multitasking is badly designed in my eyes on the Android if you set it next to Maemo (CTRL-BACKSPACE for instant satisfaction!). I don't like to push a button for 2 seconds; scroll for the right app and click on the touchscreen and then go to that application; that must be instantaneous to make it really multitasking ready. Clicking the homescreen button; selecting the app on my homescreen feels faster even...).
I try to run the most bleeding edge ICS builds and tirelessly try to convince people (iPhone and Windows)it is better in giving a versatile phone experience(i used the nightlies from CM9) but when they show up with their ****ty iPhones and casually just look up some site and i try to look up the same site. The iPhone is always faster in getting to that specific site; more fluid in scrolling, doesn't fail at sites where it really shouldn't fail (gecko)("never happened before...wait don't go, it's still loading... almost there.. i think"). At the end my friends and i can only look at long youtube movies on my SGN("woah dude your big screen is soo nice! "oops huh did i just turn your SGN off when i hold it in landscape???") but anything other than that, iPhones and even windows phones now gets it done faster and more simple, responsive, less buggy. A year ago when i had the N900, i could look at everything without any of these problems... no mistyping... no workarounds with different browsers...
Cut copy paste... what a joke in comparison to the N900. i'm not even gonna start on that one. Try setting up some commands from the cli on your SGN... pfff (nevermind that %#FG)
Sometimes i'm thinking people are less critical about their phone experience because you only have 3 real choices atm for the newest hardware. android;iOS;winmango. Nokia DNR'd the N900 and their Maemo continuation which was a bad thing but it was a good product and i can't find any of the big companies making something that would remotely resemble the N900. Critical people here, please tell me i'm wrong, i would love to be wrong on this issue.
I'm sad, really sad, that my experience in getting a new (geeky) phone would be great but it's just not. The next level-up for me(android) rolled out a +4 on charisma but i needed the +dexterity and/or +intelligence
Mate, I don´t know if you just ordered a corrupted device...and of course I accept your experiences! But in most parts, I can´t share your points...
Thanathos_78 said:
It's just feels cumbersome, sure it can do a LOT of things but most of these things it does "feel" slow at doing, and buggy...
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Have you ever updated your device? Are you on ICS? And, as we are on XDA here, did you try out some custom Roms? e.g. RocketRom & speedmodkernel?`I had the N900 as well...and dude, if the Note is slow & buggy...the N900 is mordors very darkest ork-hole^^
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Touchscreen typing in comparison to the N900 feels ... well nothing ofcourse, you don't feel anything at all... a physical keyboard still feels good and better than nothing. Though the onscreen keyboards of android are still way worse than the iPhone keyboard.
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Which ones did you try out? There are some damn good KB for everyones taste, I´m sure with that...
Thanathos_78 said:
I don't feel like picking up my SGN if i want to browse anything on the web, games (multitouch anyone?) scrolling is still slow and laggy.
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Again, made some updates etc? At least MY Note is responsive as hell, VERY fast, scrolling is smooth like butter...and especially browsing is the very best experience I ever had on a smartphone (and man, I had them all )
Came from N900.
But I beta-tested the SGS and DeZire... so got accustomed to Android eventually.
There's somethings you can't do easily or at all. It takes alot of fiddling to get it "right".
But eventually you make it yours. And thanks to a really large ecosystem and other great features... it becomes hard to use the N900 again.
I wouldn't pick the DesireZ over the N900... but with the beast (aka n7k) I feel like its a worthy successor. Just need to pray that Android 4.1 Jelly Bean will use the Mainline kernel (3.5) and that it can be further "unlocked" by having deeper API's etc. One project to keep an eye on is the Necesitas, where they're trying to port the Qt (4/5) framework into Android... it would definitely "linux-ify" Android further. Or even the AML project, merging the mainline and Android kernels together.
I've had my Note for a month, and have reached the point where I would never want to go back to the N900 hardware keyboard. I suggest to learn swype, or try a few of the alternative keyboards. But even the stock Samsung onscreen keyboard is quite good - it saves a lot of time having the numeric keys always available.
The one thing I still miss is the N900's "mappero" mapping app (previously called Maemo Mapper). I've tried all of the available open source Android mapping apps, and they either have a deficient feature set, or they are buggy.
With a new platform, you always notice first the things that are missing compared to your old platform. Only later do you notice the things that are better. And so it is with the mapping app. Having discovered Osmand with its very efficient offline vector maps, I would miss those if I went back to mappero with its raster-only offline maps.
The hardware itself is everything that the N9x0 should have become.
ryebuck said:
I've had my Note for a month, and have reached the point where I would never want to go back to the N900 hardware keyboard.
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Nowadays, physical keyboards are not a necessity for most of us since typing on a large screen like the Note is even easier. Thing is writting long emails or typing documents on a phone will always required a physical keyboard because this makes things easier to type at a constant speed with less or no mistakes than pressing virtual buttons on the screen.
If HTC or SAMSUNG could make a tilted screen phone with a physical keyboard similar to the 'HTC TOUCH PRO 2' or 'HTC Tilt 2' with a 4.7-5.0 screen, I'm pretty certain that many of us will shift to this phone.
Typing on galaxy note is awesome with Swype, the only thing is you should get used to it, the other big thing is spellings, since Swype will respond faster if you type correct spellings, for me it works like a breeze, for now with just Weeks into my note I'm deeply in love with this device as i surf the Web using wifi,i don't even open my laptop, the screen is just awesome not to mention the spen, I'm typing this using Swype,
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