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Hey all,
I am thinking of switching from a G1 to the HD2 but still deciding. I like the fact that I can easily load things in to it from my pc (apps, updated ROMS for the OS and all). Does the HD2 have things like that? I liked that my G1 can play nes and snes games and such.
Only thing I do not like on my G1 is the battery life, but then again any phone with a nice big screen is going to have ****ty battery life. Anyone have experience with the battery life?
Just want to see what kind of apps, hacks, and what not there are for it before I get one. I see it has a 1ghz processor, so wondering what it actually is capable of : )
Thanks guys,
Dan
(P.S. I dropped my G1 in water 3 weeks after I got it, so for the last year I am glad its even working at all lol)
I'm sure all those things are capable on an HD2, i currently don't have any games like that..........yet. But depends on how much the battery means to you, just browse the forums, you'll find lots of posts about "****ty" battery life. For me, my battery is fine. Depends on usage. As for "hacks" farthest I've gone so far is Radio and ROM flashing, which i think I'm becoming addicted to it... any more in depth hacks or warez, have to look somewhere else.
it really just depends on what you wanna do with a phone and if ur willing to use task manager on the phone a lot. I found that closing apps via task manager will help you avoid lock up problems other people are having.
i also came from the g1.
but if u like android so much, i say just wait for another android device.
Android does not equate to WinMo.
Both OSs have problems and advantages over the other.
If ur not sure, i suggest you play with a friend's HD2 or something.
I also suggeest you use the task manager when trying it out because you will probably just complain that its laggy, unresponsive and buggy if you don't use the task manager wisely.
Using task manager goes with out saying, it is a windows phone after all : P
I purchased "advanced task manager" for my G1 and use it all the time, so I am used to that anyways.
Android is neat and all, but I am really liking the youtube review and such I have seen, and what this phone can do. Especially since my G1's camera is so ****ty, and it has no headphone jack, which was a huge mistake on their part. : \
I came from the G1 too. I felt the G1 was a bit slow. Also, my G1 battery life seemed horrible. Probably around 12-14hrs before 10%-0% without too much use. Maybe the battery was old. The HD2 is currently giving me much better battery life and I use it more. I barely used the HD2 today, but it was unplugged at 9am and now it's almost 7pm with 82% battery left.
I miss the notification pulldown and the better app integration with it. With gtalk on WM, you have make about 3 taps after you see the notification to get into gtalk.
I miss the power and news/weather widgets from Android. I don't think there is a gvoice app for WM. I would have liked to be able to use gvoice since I finally got an account a couple of months ago.
I also miss the physical keyboard (a little) and the Android onscreen keyboard implementation a little. The WM onscreen keyboard is a little tricky for me since there are a couple of areas that if tapped on hide the keyboard or change it. I think it should be a long tap (instead of quick tap) to activate those annoying functions.
I never use the app store too much on Android, so I don't miss it.
My reasons for the HD2 was the faster processor and huge screen. Also the ability to play any video format.
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it really just depends on what you wanna do with a phone and if ur willing to use task manager on the phone a lot. I found that closing apps via task manager will help you avoid lock up problems other people are having.
i also came from the g1.
but if u like android so much, i say just wait for another android device.
Android does not equate to WinMo.
Both OSs have problems and advantages over the other.
If ur not sure, i suggest you play with a friend's HD2 or something.
I also suggeest you use the task manager when trying it out because you will probably just complain that its laggy, unresponsive and buggy if you don't use the task manager wisely.
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x2. you can pretty much do anything on the hd2 as you can do on the g1 but differently due to the differences in OS. i find it harder to customize the original rom on the phone vs. the stock g1 where more apps and tweaks are readily available whereas on the hd2, you gotta dig deeper (look no further then xda) for certain .cab files that are not in the marketplace or the open market to proceed with certain theme customizations.
yo, peben! this is ryan lol, good to see you posting here too.
It is worth it just for the camera, which is leaps and bounds over the G1, I had a G1.
The screen size makes it better. Bigger is better says my wife.
Beware!
Massive stability issues.
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Massive stability issues.
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I dropped my G1 in water 3 weeks after getting it a year or so ago. Instability is one thing I am used to. I have to pop my battery out at least twice a day. My camera doesnt turn off when I close it and just sucks battery even more horribly then the phone does normally.
Ear speaker works when it wants to, same with loud speaker.
If it is anything better then that, I will be happy.
** EDIT ** Also, is it possible to transfer contacts and what not from my G1 to this easily? I have a good few.
I came from a G1 as well and it has been well worth it for me. Yes the operating systems are different but I can do just about everything now that I can do on my G1 and its, in my opinion, more customizable. Even though I loved it I don't really miss anything about android, in fact I was getting a little bored with it. Battery life for me is much better, multimedia options are better. The speediness, ram, rom and speediness are also huge pluses. Various people have had various experiences but I never had any freezes or other issues with my using stock or custom roms.
I came from the G1. For the first week I thought I may have made a mistake.
I was VERY VERY wrong.
HD2 beats the G1 in every way.
The only thing I miss is ease of finding apps and Google Nav.
The truth is though that Copilot 8 is real Nav system (you don't have to be online to use it). It's just not integrated with gogle maps the way I wish it was.
If you love your G1, stick with it. If you want the best phone on the market,,the HD2 is where it's at.
You'll have to lean how to make all the settings and customizations (there are WAY more ways to customize than the G1) ad get used to using Google to search for apps instead of the marketplace.
After that..you'll LOVE this phone.
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I came from the G1. For the first week I thought I may have made a mistake.
I was VERY VERY wrong.
HD2 beats the G1 in every way.
The only thing I miss is ease of finding apps and Google Nav.
The truth is though that Copilot 8 is real Nav system (you don't have to be online to use it). It's just not integrated with gogle maps the way I wish it was.
If you love your G1, stick with it. If you want the best phone on the market,,the HD2 is where it's at.
You'll have to lean how to make all the settings and customizations (there are WAY more ways to customize than the G1) ad get used to using Google to search for apps instead of the marketplace.
After that..you'll LOVE this phone.
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I do miss those apps!! Coming form Nexus one.
I have navigation in my car, so the only thing I really do with my G1 these days is text, weather, and occasional youtube because it does not do much because of the water damage. I take pics with it sometimes and upload to picasa, but they look ****ty.
ministersin said:
I came from the G1. For the first week I thought I may have made a mistake.
I was VERY VERY wrong.
HD2 beats the G1 in every way.
The only thing I miss is ease of finding apps and Google Nav.
The truth is though that Copilot 8 is real Nav system (you don't have to be online to use it). It's just not integrated with gogle maps the way I wish it was.
If you love your G1, stick with it. If you want the best phone on the market,,the HD2 is where it's at.
You'll have to lean how to make all the settings and customizations (there are WAY more ways to customize than the G1) ad get used to using Google to search for apps instead of the marketplace.
After that..you'll LOVE this phone.
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I've have the g1 and also a hd2. the only thing I really miss is the apps for Android and ease of finding them. I never used the marketplace (it sucks!) except for like a browser or to DL or a Facebook app or something . to bump up to the hd2 is definitely worth it. specially comin from a g1. when I got it I was amazed at how quick and responsive it is. but I missed Android too much and ended up getting the nexus one so now I switch back and forth lol. if u don't think ull miss the OS all that much its deff worth getting. battery life for me I could make it bout a eight hour shift before it'd go into the red but again I was surfing the net on that thing all day at work ...days when I wouldn't power use it the battery wasn't too bad . also with the HTC sense it really covers up the Windows pretty good. and there is a emulator app for it ..nes snes genesis ...with multitouch !
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one more thing. u can sync ur Google contacts with the hd2. life saver :]
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Also coming from G1. I really loved Android and my G1 but when I saw the HD2 I knew it was over. Android is a great OS with a ton of apps, but the phone was just too slow to really take advantage of Android's capabilities.
I was planning on getting a Nexus One eventually, but I always like to try the phone out in the store a few times to see if I really like it at far as speed and ergonomics. Not having Nexus Ones in stores really hurt Google here IMHO as I probably would have gotten one.
I can say for sure that the HD2 is ultra fast with NO LAG for me. I can listen to podcasts, use navigation, switch between apps all with no freezing like I had with my G1. Plus I see way more "oohs" and "aaahs" when I use the big-ass screen in public.
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Also coming from G1. I really loved Android and my G1 but when I saw the HD2 I knew it was over. Android is a great OS with a ton of apps, but the phone was just too slow to really take advantage of Android's capabilities.
I was planning on getting a Nexus One eventually, but I always like to try the phone out in the store a few times to see if I really like it at far as speed and ergonomics. Not having Nexus Ones in stores really hurt Google here IMHO as I probably would have gotten one.
I can say for sure that the HD2 is ultra fast with NO LAG for me. I can listen to podcasts, use navigation, switch between apps all with no freezing like I had with my G1. Plus I see way more "oohs" and "aaahs" when I use the big-ass screen in public.
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yeah it gets you major *****... haha jk
I came from G1, trust me well worth the switch. Processor speed and screen size combined with swype make it great. I was not in love with the idea of no keyboard, but have adjusted
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I came from G1, trust me well worth the switch. Processor speed and screen size combined with swype make it great. I was not in love with the idea of no keyboard, but have adjusted
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Well, I installed swype on my G1 just to test it out and I really like it, but now I already have it on my G1 so its not the biggest selling point lol. But so far everything in this thread is telling me its the right phone to switch to
Another G1 to HD2 person. I do miss android and hopefully soon we will have a port for the HD2.
But, the hardware is super. I love this phone. Great camera, great call quality, large beautiful screen, fast, plenty of customizations, many rom's to switch to if you want.
The more I think about this phone I would like to have android, but only as an option for the apps I like. Otherwise, winmo will do.
Im prolly picking one up on my lunch....Ive been stuck with my broken Cliq for too long.
How many others are picking up today?
I did! and i'm loving smoothness of the phone
Yea, Im really not worried about the latest and greatest, I just want a stable phone that does what it supposed to, and does it well. From what Ive heard from people that already have one, this phone pulls it off. That, an I have a pre-req of a physical keyboard, which made me not a big fan of the N1...should have mine in a couple hrs
I picked mine up already and Im impressed by the speed,but the touch screen is dare I say too responsive,when hitting the harware keys at the bottom of the touchscreen it somehow always does something on the touch screen not intended,and swype always picks up the wrong letter,I swear you barly hover your finger over this thing and it senses touch,kinda anoying,other then that my only complaints are that I set up my faves and after reseting the phone I had to do it again.I like the ui and the sense widgets but could do without the bubble icons and the bloatware,I mean for having 512 internal memory only 130 was available to me stock,and after puting about 7 apps on it's already down to 100,I mean christ my original mytouch is running 2.1 with 20 apps and I have 250 mb internal left without apps to sd.Hopefully some roots this and I can remove all the tmobile crap that you cant even use over wi-fi anyway.plus 2.2 is supposed to open twice the memory and add apps2sd support.the camera could be better,but all in all the phone is very fast and responsive so I wont complain too much,but will take some getting used to as I still love the original mytouch and it's lightweight design and the touch response seemed perfect.2 more complaints though is the slide out keyboard,not a smooth transition,feels kinda roughopening and makes a horrid noise,and the 4 row querty will take some getting used too,and the battery cover removal is assnine I can see it breaking easily.well thats all for now,will share more if I find anything intresting.
Picked mine up today. Not sure if I like the Faves app on the phone, but I'll play with it and see.
Only thing I'm noticing is that I get "The process com.htc.bg has stopped unexpectedly" message about every 10 minutes while messing with it.
Im still adding apps to it, so I'm not sure how it will react once it starts getting loaded with processes running.
the faves widget is fine but the app itself is kinda hokey, not terribly practical.
I've had mine since early April and still LOVE it
I would pick it up if there was some way for me get it at the 129 price.. I already have 2 tmobile lines, mine, and the wife's.. dont wanna pay any more a month than I am arleady paying, I dont see the need to IMHO.
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I picked mine up already and Im impressed by the speed,but the touch screen is dare I say too responsive,when hitting the harware keys at the bottom of the touchscreen it somehow always does something on the touch screen not intended,and swype always picks up the wrong letter,I swear you barly hover your finger over this thing and it senses touch,kinda anoying,other then that my only complaints are that I set up my faves and after reseting the phone I had to do it again.I like the ui and the sense widgets but could do without the bubble icons and the bloatware,I mean for having 512 internal memory only 130 was available to me stock,and after puting about 7 apps on it's already down to 100,I mean christ my original mytouch is running 2.1 with 20 apps and I have 250 mb internal left without apps to sd.Hopefully some roots this and I can remove all the tmobile crap that you cant even use over wi-fi anyway.plus 2.2 is supposed to open twice the memory and add apps2sd support.the camera could be better,but all in all the phone is very fast and responsive so I wont complain too much,but will take some getting used to as I still love the original mytouch and it's lightweight design and the touch response seemed perfect.2 more complaints though is the slide out keyboard,not a smooth transition,feels kinda roughopening and makes a horrid noise,and the 4 row querty will take some getting used too,and the battery cover removal is assnine I can see it breaking easily.well thats all for now,will share more if I find anything intresting.
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My lord... your punctuation is terrible...
I am thinking of grabbing one this afternoon. I also have a pre-req of a physical keyboard, so being with T-Mobile has made me stick with my G1 for this long. My only gripe is the number keys do not have their own dedicated row like the G1, but I can probably get over that.
I also am just looking for a stable phone. With the G1's limited internal memory, I was left to rooting and hacking it up, and it's all getting on my nerves. I am ready for a solid working stock phone that also has a physical keyboard, and this looks to be the one to use. It even has a 3.5mm audio jack to boot!
Picked mine up today, as an early upgrade from my busted G1. SUCH a good call. It runs smoother than I ever expected, the browser blazes, and the only gripes I have are the weird bubble icons and the actual Faves app.
Also, much to my surprise, Flash is installed and working on the phone, though most of the video websites I use don't work. However, being able to see the full national geographic page load on a mobile device... well, let me tell you, it's refreshing. I can't wait 'til they release the Froyo update.
Might be a stupid question here, but does anyone know how to change the wallpaper for the lock screen? I feel like I've tried everything.
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Might be a stupid question here, but does anyone know how to change the wallpaper for the lock screen? I feel like I've tried everything.
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It's pretty simple, but you have to do it through myModes. Hit the menu button while you're on your home screen, then go into myModes. Select "Change your Mode" and while you're there, you have options to change your wallpaper and lock screen, as well as whatever else.
Good luck.
I was gunna pick it up today, but the lady on the phone told me if I hold out till the 26th i'll hit my 18 month period on my contract and it will drop $50 in price. Gunna wait till then, my G1 still works.
Thanks slobatch. I think that's about the one place on the entire phone that I hadnt remembered to look at until you mentioned it.
Just got mine. The Genius button works pretty well, but I've never used voice recog stuff ever since it's been around on phones, so not sure how much use it will get.
I do like it's speed. Just trying to get the feel for it currently, but so far I like it.
I've been about half and half on the voice recognition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Really picky about some things
I use Dragon dictation for voice input, and for those of us to speak the Queen's English well, it works. Awesome!
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The Voice so far has not failed, its seriosuly has to be the best voice controlled app ive used. Its been dead on in calling, and hicupps a tiny bit for text...which is all ive used it for thus far.
Gripes?
The sides the the keyboard are edged, they really should have been rounded (I can see myself taking a dremel to it lol), it gives it a minor uncomfortable feeling, but Im also comming form a Cliq (its leaps and bounds from that phone) so my hands are prolly still "formed" to it.
The phone as mentioned before...is a beast...and he potential it has once its been rooted is going to be fantastic. Now if we can just get a dev to pry their eyes from their noobN1s (thats right mikey, im lookin at you ) and take a look at it. The bloatware and stuff isnt much concern to me, because it will be taken care of once its rooted.
What would set me nice till then is a docking station, and a slim gel case..other wise..to me, its the best android phone w/ a keyboard tmo has to offer.
I picked one up this morning and I am glad I did. They nearly sold out before I showed up (20 minutes after the store opened). Right now I am in the process of reloading my music and CoPilot software while my fiance is napping. She is beyond tired of me testing this phone out today haha!
Mini-Review:
So far it has been very swift and almost too responsive. The phone part of it is very well done and the "linking" structure to hook up your social networks to contacts is very intuitive. Faves....meh. It has potential but I'm not seeing it yet. There isn't too much "bloatware" that concerns me on this phone that I have run in to. The keyboard is GREAT but I can see the concern in regards to the alphanumeric section of the keyboard being confusing. You get over that after a few emails though. My only gripe at the moment is that the market has been really slow and wonky but the same thing happened when I bumped up to 1.6 and 2.1 with CM5 on the G1. The market should be smooth in the next day or so. I'm sure the influx of everyone redownloading their paid apps is not helping. Ok, sorry for the randomness but I just thought I would throw some thoughts out.
i have to agree about the faves, bloatware and the 'odd' keyboard lettering....i also experienced the market being slow though i must say, the 3G has been 'blazing' in nyc...using the speedtest.net app i've consistently hit speeds well over 2 meg!!!!!
not every input on the hardware keyboard is recognized & I know this is an issue with the epic as I've read quite a few folks experiencing it around the web but I'm curious if any1 who frequents this site has it & maybe found a fix or something. its a real p.i.t.a having to constanty fix what I'm typing because of this issue. epic #2 because of this not trying to make it #3 to only happen again
+1 I have the same issue. No solution that I know of, maybe we are just too fast for it. LOL, hopefully we will wee a fix when the developer ROMs start coming out. I don't know. On a similar note, the spelling correction doesn't happen for me either. And I have the rocking screen. Although I'm not worried enough about any of that to get it swapped for a new one.
I am having the same issue... every now and then the keyboard doesn't recognize certain inputs especially hen you start typing pretty quickly on it...
BTW I typed when not hen just showing it is doing it now haha.
I use smart keyboard pro to allow the text prediction and edit to occur.
Hope this is a software issue not faulty keyboard...tried to take it in to sprint and the only thing they said they would do was do hard reset on the device and wipe all data.... ya that wouldn't do crap
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I thought it was just me typing too fast. It seems like it doesn't register when two keys are hit too closely together
I actually noticed that when typing really fast, sometime the keyboard freezes up.
It SEEMS like its because the keyboard registers a button long press, because the phone opens up the little addition letters popup.
Either way its really annoying because I don't use any of the additional long press symbols! I'm hoping when custom roms are created, they can remove the button long press menu!
I think you guys should write down what buttons exactly aren't registering. If you all have the same issues with the same buttons, then its probably a fixable issue - or its hardware. If its issues with different buttons, then its probably going to be harder to fix.
it really isn't any certain buttons its just once you get to typing pretty fast it just can't keep up and will RANDOMLY miss letters... so my report would be that it isn't any certain letters at all just dependent on how fast your typing...
Another thing is that sometimes it isnt just when typing fast it happens as well when I'm typing slow
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it really isn't any certain buttons its just once you get to typing pretty fast it just can't keep up and will RANDOMLY miss letters... so my report would be that it isn't any certain letters at all just dependent on how fast your typing...
Another thing is that sometimes it isnt just when typing fast it happens as well when I'm typing slow
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exactly .. and its annoying !
I'm fairly confident it's a hardware problem because if I press the buttons firmly (not hard but firm if that makes sense) it will register the letters regardless of how fast I type.
Yup, I've experienced this as well. It's annoying but not a dealbreaker, yet.
I feel like tipping my hat into this topic. I just switched from AT&T to Sprint, got the Epic, been a happy camper thus far. I have noticed the same exact keyboard issue, and I've noticed that it isn't getting as much coverage as it should be.
With my epic, it's COMPLETELY RANDOM. It'll happen 500 times in one sentence, and sometimes, it won't happen for an entire hour. It doesn't seem to be a hardware issue, because no matter how slow I type, or how firm I press down on the keys, the problem will rear it's ugly head.
I'll wait this out until the end of the 30 days. On the 29th day, if nothing's been done, via Sprint/Samsung or XDA, I shall swap for an Evo.
I use the keyboard constantly and have never experienced this.
I do routinely experience *extra* keypresses because of my giant fingers.
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I use the keyboard constantly and have never experienced this.
I do routinely experience *extra* keypresses because of my giant fingers.
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same here... had my epic since launch and never had or even heard of this issue until now...
I do however have issue w/ the onscreen keyboards auto correction feature and the fact that i can be difficult to go back and edit w/o arrow keys... but thats my gripe w/ swype... not the epic ... lol
Then I'm guessing its worth it to get a swap since not everyone is having this issue.
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Then I'm guessing its worth it to get a swap since not everyone is having this issue.
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I would consider it a defect and as I use the keyboard pretty much exclusively for typing (I still can't figure out how the heck anybody uses a virtual keyboard - that's why I bought the Epic), I would definitely return it if I had any issues with the keyboard that I thought were caused by either a hardware or a software bug. If the second one I got was the same, I would return it again and get a different phone entirely, on a different carrier if necessary. That's how important I consider the keyboard.
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I would consider it a defect and as I use the keyboard pretty much exclusively for typing (I still can't figure out how the heck anybody uses a virtual keyboard - that's why I bought the Epic), I would definitely return it if I had any issues with the keyboard that I thought were caused by either a hardware or a software bug. If the second one I got was the same, I would return it again and get a different phone entirely, on a different carrier if necessary. That's how important I consider the keyboard.
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Unfortunately, I have only two choices where I live now. Verizon or Sprint. And seeing as Verizon made me famous on the internet, I won't be going back to them anytime soon. Plus, their only good, keyboarded Android phone, the Droid 2, has the same crappy-feeling keyboard, and Motoblur/eFuse is the dealbreaker. (I do hold high hopes for the enV touch 2/enV Pro or whatever they're calling it, as the voyager form-factor is pretty neat, and the keyboard was actually decent)
Sprint seems to be batting a thousand when it comes to good Android phones. Not to mention their service is cheap and effective here.
Plus, not all bad. I think an Evo + Better Keyboard would be SWEET.
I'm actually having the same keyboard problem, where it misses a LOT of keypresses (depending on how fast I type). Is it really a defect in the phone?
I am having this, too, but I it seems like not everyone is. Guess it's going back to Sprint tomorrow.
5 phones since launch day ... all swapped for brand new ones because all have the issue. some weren't as bad as the others and since getting #5 a few days ago I seem to only have had it happen a few times .. folks claiming not to have it do u use the physical keyboard or swype for majority of inputs ? maybe ya just don't notice lol
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5 phones since launch day ... all swapped for brand new ones because all have the issue. some weren't as bad as the others and since getting #5 a few days ago I seem to only have had it happen a few times .. folks claiming not to have it do u use the physical keyboard or swype for majority of inputs ? maybe ya just don't notice lol
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Like I said, I use the physical keyboard exclusively. Never had this issue. I use it for searches, texts, personal emails, even business emails to customers. And I type fast enough that when Samsung put out that "world record" commercial with the guy using Swype a while back, I was like "that's supposed to be fast?"
I wonder if there is some service or app that is interfering with the keyboard on some of you guys' phones; something that's taking over the whole system for a half second every once in a while.
8pen has just been released in the Market, I have just installed it and typing this with it, it is strange but I think it could be OK once I get used to it.
Its 99p in the market, I am going to try it for 24 hours and see how I get on with it!
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Thought I would post a YouTube video since I didn't explain it very well (took me long enough to type the above message ha ha)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3OuCR0EpGo
wow, i still don't understand after watching the video.
Surely everyone uses their thumbs to type so the videos all wrong.
In south Africa. No paid apps in the market. Downloaded mymarket. Can find 8pen but when I click install nothing happens. Mymarket works perfectly for free apps. I am willing to pay for 8pen. Any advice?
Wow that looks just terrible. Typing a single letter with that takes like 10 times more time compared to a qwerty keyboard. It might be less error prone when you get used to it but it's still slow as hell.
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In south Africa. No paid apps in the market...
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Suggest you email dev and he may allow you to purchase via PayPal and send you the app. Problem with that is you always have to check his official app site and remind him to email you any update released. I purchased a To Do app called DueToday like that, oh, and also Tasker in a similar manner. Sucks but what can we do?
BlindType looked so promising and I was waiting for it to get released. Then Google bought the company out! So you'll definitely most likely see BlindType as default keyboard on Gingerbread (Android 3.0)...conjecture...
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wow, i still don't understand after watching the video.
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The same here, I think it will take a very long time to learn this. I use swype at the moment, but I will give it a try.
I will post my findings.
Thanks! They are not coping with their response so that wont happen soon.
I like the idea of an inputmethod that does not involve pressing small keys, but what about lanscape mode? i've got swype and it works great, and if i want to type even faster, i can just go to landscape mode, and i bet landscape mode isn't gonna be easy to use on the 8pen keyboard, which makes it difficult when typing long texts, i don't think this little program is going to have a promising future...
I am using it now and it is very difficult. Swype is much faster.
It is horrible, try it yourself!
I tried it and although I was excited about it at first, it's not a very pleasant experience. It takes too long to spell words and you have to learn a keyboard all over again. Layout could have been better I think. I am not fan of swype, but I think that is a much better experience. This is better than the WinMo6 small keyboards, but nothing compared to the keyboards found in any Android, WP7 and iOS device.
Tried it, wanted to like it, didn't like it.
Uninstalled and refunded.
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i have sweaty palm and i live in humid and hot climate. dragging finger across the screen is just nightmare for me any type of input similar to 8pen or swype never work since sweaty finger just create enough drag to really make the finger almost stuck. Normal input work much better.
Same principal as in "letter board" for people who lost their speech like stroke patients
20:50 First forum post using 8pen.
I have always struggled with a qwerty keyboard & I can't find swype on the android market.
perhaps I can get use to this.
I will see how it goes.
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... How long did it take you to feel like you'd made the right choice?
Right now the only thing I'm liking is the screen...
Scrolling in the browser seems choppier than my stock n900, and I'm missing the keyboard massively...
Really want to end up loving it, but all I can see right now are things that make me feel like it;s a massive step backwards...
Tedri Mark said:
... How long did it take you to feel like you'd made the right choice?
Right now the only thing I'm liking is the screen...
Scrolling in the browser seems choppier than my stock n900, and I'm missing the keyboard massively...
Really want to end up loving it, but all I can see right now are things that make me feel like it;s a massive step backwards...
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Well...to be honest i don't know what to say - if you don't like it, you don't like it - you get used to it. Few year ago i was all about physical keyboards, but with introduction of the iPhone i realized it's time to let go. It took me some time but i finally got used to on-screen keyboards - and believe you me, there isn't a single on-screen keyboard that's better than the one on the Note ( the stock ICS / CM9 one, not the TouchWiz crap ).
About the scrolling...what ROM/Browser do you use ? I recommend CM9 with stock browser - super smooth "iphone-like" experience.
been there, done that. i got used to it really fast. the only thing that i'm really missing is the keyboard. i send a ton of text. but u get used to the virtual keyboard by time.
also, my note runs really smooth. i flashed a stock ICS and i'm running latest speedmod kernel.
I came from the n900 and it took a few weeks but you will get there. I missed the keyboard at first but when o use the n900 now I carnt use the hardware keybord , all I can say is stick with it you will grow to love the note and won't want to go to any other phone .
Bit i will say I'm cursed I had the dreaded USB port failure on my n900 several times and now had it on my note so be careful
But the n900 is the only phone I know to survive a 90mph tumble down the road and survive the note isn't as durable get a cover on that screen
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bletozavr said:
been there, done that. i got used to it really fast. the only thing that i'm really missing is the keyboard. i send a ton of text. but u get used to the virtual keyboard by time.
also, my note runs really smooth. i flashed a stock ICS and i'm running latest speedmod kernel.
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Reluctant to upgrade to ICS because I don't want to lose flash in the browser.. I've got used to the web in my pocket being the same as the web on my desktop..
mistman said:
I came from the n900 and it took a few weeks but you will get there. I missed the keyboard at first but when o use the n900 now I carnt use the hardware keybord , all I can say is stick with it you will grow to love the note and won't want to go to any other phone .
Bit i will say I'm cursed I had the dreaded USB port failure on my n900 several times and now had it on my note so be careful
But the n900 is the only phone I know to survive a 90mph tumble down the road and survive the note isn't as durable get a cover on that screen
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Yep, this was my second N900, the first one suffered the dodgy port, was fixed, then broke again, and so I got a brand new one last March. Was fine literally up until about a month ago at the end (luckily) of my holiday, when it wouldn;t switch on. Now if the battery runs out I have to reflash, and the power button does nothing, either when the phone is on off.. Ah well..
It's not so much the general typing, so much as ctrl-x,c,v, and cursor keys to edit text and scroll up/down dialog windows in browsers etc, but after a quick google it seems there's other keyboards with cursor function.
Ctrl+N for a new browser window, or contact was always well handy, and being able to start typing someone's name to bring up their details rather than having to press contacts first...
Also I can't figure out how to use keys to interact with flash in the browser...
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Well...to be honest i don't know what to say - if you don't like it, you don't like it - you get used to it. Few year ago i was all about physical keyboards, but with introduction of the iPhone i realized it's time to let go. It took me some time but i finally got used to on-screen keyboards - and believe you me, there isn't a single on-screen keyboard that's better than the one on the Note ( the stock ICS / CM9 one, not the TouchWiz crap ).
About the scrolling...what ROM/Browser do you use ? I recommend CM9 with stock browser - super smooth "iphone-like" experience.
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At the mo I'm on gingerbread and using the stock browser, literally just got the note today, but keen to delve right in once I'm sure I'll be keeping it. Was well at home in the terminal on the N900, power kernel, overclocking etc, but it all seemed a lot safer - I've seen a lot of threads about people accidentally bricking their Notes...
Just had a little play with some N64 roms, the increased screen size and speed are at least a couple of nice plusses so far...
Trying to find a PSX emulator, ideally free... Again, I think having the N900 spoiled me..
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Reluctant to upgrade to ICS because I don't want to lose flash in the browser.. I've got used to the web in my pocket being the same as the web on my desktop..
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Flash works just fine on ICS. The only thing is that Chrome for Android doesn't support flash. The rest of them does.
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Flash works just fine on ICS. The only thing is that Chrome for Android doesn't support flash. The rest of them does.
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Ah, sweet, maybe I will do the upgrade then, although still a bit nervous as I've heard that even the official Samsung ICS release is not 100% safe?
Or have I just misinterpreted that?
Seems that although flash is working, it is maybe not working as well as under gingerbread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666913
I came from n900, the second best phone I got after my lovely Note of course!
Yes I did miss the hw keyboard but when I found swype option it was an OMG it is really rally fast for typing, in both case you need two hands, so it is not a problem in this case.
About the browser, on n900 was a real desktop browser with flash included, really great, never missed my laptop under this point of view. But, Note with ICS seems to be good too, didn't test enough but saw an option to turns it as a desktop browser, and we have here last flash version!
If we talk about battery life, n900 loses badly, Note is incredible with batt, longer last, whole working day with some fun included. I just charge my note once a day.
Well I don't remember what other things did like to me on n900, that means I don't miss it yeah!
Ohh the contact manager was better on n900, never had duplicates contacts, the synchronization with social networks was amazing. On Note, after many months with can't handle SNS sync properly, in fact my contact list is a mess
Hope it helps, regards mate!
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i came from an n900 as well.
its not too bad once you figure how to get things done.
i still prefer the hardware keyboard on the n900 though since i could feel the keys, so i could type without looking. but after a bit of practice with the note, i got a lot faster (to the point where my note lags, stutters and doubles up on letters). the only thing i'd prefer would be a slightly smaller screen for typing, so i'll probably get a smaller phone next time.
the only thing i really miss from the n900 is the integrated stand. that was useful for when you want to watch movies.
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Ah, sweet, maybe I will do the upgrade then, although still a bit nervous as I've heard that even the official Samsung ICS release is not 100% safe?
Or have I just misinterpreted that?
Seems that although flash is working, it is maybe not working as well as under gingerbread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666913
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Sure, flash isn't the smoothest and best thing on Android, but it runs and does the job. Stay away from the leaked kernels. ROM's that uses Xplodwild's kernel like CM9 and ParanoidAndroid are safe and won't have the brick bug.
Just read the OP and do some research before you flash anything.
Tedri Mark, if you owed a N900 before that means you like physical keyboard and your best choice after the Note would certainly be the Samsung Captivate Glide which has a 4inch screen and keyboard - some say it's a Galaxy S2 with a keyboard. It's better if you look for some reviews on youtube to get a better idea.
until 2011 n900 was the best phone ver made for me but new phones are really way better then that now. about the physical keyboard, i have phones without physical keyboard for 2 years and still missing it . screen keyboards are ok but not good as physical ones for me.
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screen keyboards are ok but not good as physical ones for me.
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Definitely, there is nothing better than a physical keyboard for typing! I missed that too.....if samsung could build a 4.5 or 4.8 inch screen phone with same same specs as the S2 + a physical keyboard, personally I'll sell my Note immediately! I emailed a lot daily and typing using a virtual keyboard is a pain when you are in a hurry with a lot of things to write!
Experimenting with browsers at the Mo, struggling to find one that renders the non mobile version of Facebook properly.. Both dolphin hd and ics browser + seem to struggle with the pop up gallery format... Quite annoying, and I'm not keen at all on the cut down versions and apps.
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well, what you aren't missing is the battery life. It was just ****ty on the N900, and the screensize, and the resolution.
that was a coincidence that you posted it. I have the exact same problem with my conversion from my n900 to a Galaxy Note.
I really really wanted to like the Galaxy Note (i am a linuxfanboy after all for over 12 years)but in all honesty, i don't. I was sad to see such a (in my eyes beautiful) device like the n900 be abandoned by nokia (but that's for another section i guess to QQ) It's not the size that turned me off or the device itself (i love the screensize!), but the way Android works for me. It's just feels cumbersome, sure it can do a LOT of things but most of these things it does "feel" slow at doing, and buggy...
Touchscreen typing in comparison to the N900 feels ... well nothing ofcourse, you don't feel anything at all... a physical keyboard still feels good and better than nothing. Though the onscreen keyboards of android are still way worse than the iPhone keyboard. But I can't get used to this typing. To be fair I think I type faster now on my SGN but that has probably got to do with the fact that I care less about my spelling and 'auto-correct' mistakes. I don't text/mail as much as i used to do only when it's necessary. I don't feel like picking up my SGN if i want to browse anything on the web, games (multitouch anyone?) scrolling is still slow and laggy. Moving around in android is something i do out of neccesity not because i wanted to explore things on my phone like the N900.
Multitasking is badly designed in my eyes on the Android if you set it next to Maemo (CTRL-BACKSPACE for instant satisfaction!). I don't like to push a button for 2 seconds; scroll for the right app and click on the touchscreen and then go to that application; that must be instantaneous to make it really multitasking ready. Clicking the homescreen button; selecting the app on my homescreen feels faster even...).
I try to run the most bleeding edge ICS builds and tirelessly try to convince people (iPhone and Windows)it is better in giving a versatile phone experience(i used the nightlies from CM9) but when they show up with their ****ty iPhones and casually just look up some site and i try to look up the same site. The iPhone is always faster in getting to that specific site; more fluid in scrolling, doesn't fail at sites where it really shouldn't fail (gecko)("never happened before...wait don't go, it's still loading... almost there.. i think"). At the end my friends and i can only look at long youtube movies on my SGN("woah dude your big screen is soo nice! "oops huh did i just turn your SGN off when i hold it in landscape???") but anything other than that, iPhones and even windows phones now gets it done faster and more simple, responsive, less buggy. A year ago when i had the N900, i could look at everything without any of these problems... no mistyping... no workarounds with different browsers...
Cut copy paste... what a joke in comparison to the N900. i'm not even gonna start on that one. Try setting up some commands from the cli on your SGN... pfff (nevermind that %#FG)
Sometimes i'm thinking people are less critical about their phone experience because you only have 3 real choices atm for the newest hardware. android;iOS;winmango. Nokia DNR'd the N900 and their Maemo continuation which was a bad thing but it was a good product and i can't find any of the big companies making something that would remotely resemble the N900. Critical people here, please tell me i'm wrong, i would love to be wrong on this issue.
I'm sad, really sad, that my experience in getting a new (geeky) phone would be great but it's just not. The next level-up for me(android) rolled out a +4 on charisma but i needed the +dexterity and/or +intelligence
Mate, I don´t know if you just ordered a corrupted device...and of course I accept your experiences! But in most parts, I can´t share your points...
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It's just feels cumbersome, sure it can do a LOT of things but most of these things it does "feel" slow at doing, and buggy...
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Have you ever updated your device? Are you on ICS? And, as we are on XDA here, did you try out some custom Roms? e.g. RocketRom & speedmodkernel?`I had the N900 as well...and dude, if the Note is slow & buggy...the N900 is mordors very darkest ork-hole^^
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Touchscreen typing in comparison to the N900 feels ... well nothing ofcourse, you don't feel anything at all... a physical keyboard still feels good and better than nothing. Though the onscreen keyboards of android are still way worse than the iPhone keyboard.
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Which ones did you try out? There are some damn good KB for everyones taste, I´m sure with that...
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I don't feel like picking up my SGN if i want to browse anything on the web, games (multitouch anyone?) scrolling is still slow and laggy.
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Again, made some updates etc? At least MY Note is responsive as hell, VERY fast, scrolling is smooth like butter...and especially browsing is the very best experience I ever had on a smartphone (and man, I had them all )
Came from N900.
But I beta-tested the SGS and DeZire... so got accustomed to Android eventually.
There's somethings you can't do easily or at all. It takes alot of fiddling to get it "right".
But eventually you make it yours. And thanks to a really large ecosystem and other great features... it becomes hard to use the N900 again.
I wouldn't pick the DesireZ over the N900... but with the beast (aka n7k) I feel like its a worthy successor. Just need to pray that Android 4.1 Jelly Bean will use the Mainline kernel (3.5) and that it can be further "unlocked" by having deeper API's etc. One project to keep an eye on is the Necesitas, where they're trying to port the Qt (4/5) framework into Android... it would definitely "linux-ify" Android further. Or even the AML project, merging the mainline and Android kernels together.
I've had my Note for a month, and have reached the point where I would never want to go back to the N900 hardware keyboard. I suggest to learn swype, or try a few of the alternative keyboards. But even the stock Samsung onscreen keyboard is quite good - it saves a lot of time having the numeric keys always available.
The one thing I still miss is the N900's "mappero" mapping app (previously called Maemo Mapper). I've tried all of the available open source Android mapping apps, and they either have a deficient feature set, or they are buggy.
With a new platform, you always notice first the things that are missing compared to your old platform. Only later do you notice the things that are better. And so it is with the mapping app. Having discovered Osmand with its very efficient offline vector maps, I would miss those if I went back to mappero with its raster-only offline maps.
The hardware itself is everything that the N9x0 should have become.
ryebuck said:
I've had my Note for a month, and have reached the point where I would never want to go back to the N900 hardware keyboard.
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Nowadays, physical keyboards are not a necessity for most of us since typing on a large screen like the Note is even easier. Thing is writting long emails or typing documents on a phone will always required a physical keyboard because this makes things easier to type at a constant speed with less or no mistakes than pressing virtual buttons on the screen.
If HTC or SAMSUNG could make a tilted screen phone with a physical keyboard similar to the 'HTC TOUCH PRO 2' or 'HTC Tilt 2' with a 4.7-5.0 screen, I'm pretty certain that many of us will shift to this phone.
Typing on galaxy note is awesome with Swype, the only thing is you should get used to it, the other big thing is spellings, since Swype will respond faster if you type correct spellings, for me it works like a breeze, for now with just Weeks into my note I'm deeply in love with this device as i surf the Web using wifi,i don't even open my laptop, the screen is just awesome not to mention the spen, I'm typing this using Swype,
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