First I wanted to give props to lowkee for his thread:
[EB01 WALKTHROUGHS] Rooting, Clockwork, Voodoo, Stock and Custom ROM, Battery, etc
Awesome walk through for newbies, but a question to the developers on possibly developing a non-Voodoo kernal for EB01. I liked how on previous versions of the Fascinate ROMS there was that option, if you're weren't great at backing out of Voodoo. Plus it can add to the walk through as another option.
If it already exists than I apologize for not doing enough research in the forums.
stang281 said:
First I wanted to give props to lowkee for his thread:
[EB01 WALKTHROUGHS] Rooting, Clockwork, Voodoo, Stock and Custom ROM, Battery, etc
Awesome walk through for newbies, but a question to the developers on possibly developing a non-Voodoo kernal for EB01. I liked how on previous versions of the Fascinate ROMS there was that option, if you're weren't great at backing out of Voodoo. Plus it can add to the walk through as another option.
If it already exists than I apologize for not doing enough research in the forums.
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Non Voodoo kernel is included in the stock and superclean rom.
i think he was looking for options with the kernels (non-voodoo).
Maybe OC, low voltage, etc....
no kernel source equals more than likely no custom kernels til after the ota....minus the addition of ext4
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Hey Guys I have done a little searching and haven't found the answers to my particular questions.
I came from a MotoD1 and had done plenty of custom Rom flashing and I feel pretty comfortable with the whole process. Now my question is about the selection for the Galaxy S (specifically the Fascinate) phones. I see all these vodoo lagfixes and ext file system fixes and the like. Maybe I am over thinking this all but I am confused.
On the D1 you picked out the ROM you wanted and made sure the kernel was the correct for your version on android (Eclair, Froyo, etc.) And some times you found a ROM and kernel that just didnt work too well together.
Is the Vodoo kernel just a group of guys doing it like Chevy and P3Droid and I can flash it to any compatible versions of and android rom? or is it something slightly different?
An dwhat exactly is the lagfix?
finakechi said:
Hey Guys I have done a little searching and haven't found the answers to my particular questions.
I came from a MotoD1 and had done plenty of custom Rom flashing and I feel pretty comfortable with the whole process. Now my question is about the selection for the Galaxy S (specifically the Fascinate) phones. I see all these vodoo lagfixes and ext file system fixes and the like. Maybe I am over thinking this all but I am confused.
On the D1 you picked out the ROM you wanted and made sure the kernel was the correct for your version on android (Eclair, Froyo, etc.) And some times you found a ROM and kernel that just didnt work too well together.
Is the Vodoo kernel just a group of guys doing it like Chevy and P3Droid and I can flash it to any compatible versions of and android rom? or is it something slightly different?
An dwhat exactly is the lagfix?
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Wrong section, please post in general.
Voodoo is lagfix. Lagfix fixes the lag. Though with the newer kernels, the lag isn't noticeable really. Join the irc and we will be happy to help you.
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So after seeing many things that is said with the DX I thought I should write a post like this. This is just to clear up confusion so users can have the knowledge to use in the future.
Every ROM for the DX is AOSP
I have seen this said many times and it bugs me that people think that all ROMs are AOSP. As of now, there are actually only a few AOSP ROMs for the DX, cvpcs' Tanzanite/Obsidian, Cobalt, and blackdroid's Ultimate Droid. Other ROMs like rubiX, Liberty, ApeX, and Fission are basically Motorola ROMs with the blur applications replaced with AOSP applications. Now this does not actually make it AOSP. It has features from AOSP, but there is much more to it than the applications. These blur-based ROMs actually have other AOSP-like features, such as lock screen music controls and a few others. Now that also doesn't make it AOSP, those are just a few features that were originally modifications to AOSP to add more functionality to a ROM. That doesn't mean these ROMs are bad in any way. They are actually very good. The only downfall of them is the fact that they are limited to what can be done.
There can't be AOSP ROMs without a custom kernel.
Another statement I have been told or have seen several times. It is considered AOSP if it comes from Google's source. A kernel won't affect the fact that it was built from source. Although it would be ideal for a custom kernel with AOSP, it isn't needed.
A custom kernel is needed.
This is another incorrect statement. It would be nice to replace the kernel, but it isn't needed. The kernel that is provided to us from Motorola includes basically everything the end user would need. Also there is overclocking(although it isn't the easiest implementation) by adding a temporary module to the kernel that is erased after the phone is powered off.
Gingerbread won't come to the DX until Motorola releases a new kernel with their Gingerbread update.
Incorrect. What the original concern was that Gingerbread would not boot with a .32 kernel(the kernel the DX has.) and that it needs a .35 kernel. This was later proven wrong with D1. The D1 has been running Gingerbread for a bit now with a .32 kernel. Now I know people will say it is is a different kernel or something along those lines, but that doesn't matter. Gingerbread will boot on it without needing to replace the current kernel.
this is something that should be posted on every forum about the DX. Great info
Would getting building GB on the DX give us the new garbage collector too? I'm so tired of waiting for memory to clear after PewPew (makes a TON of objects).
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Would getting building GB on the DX give us the new garbage collector too? I'm so tired of waiting for memory to clear after PewPew (makes a TON of objects).
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Don't think GB would do anything different with it.
Moved and stuck. Thanks Matt! Please add info as it strikes you, this could be really helpful to the newer folks.
I feel like this info is either wrong or irrelevent.
I'm leaning towards irrelevent. Why don't we have Gingerbread yet if it's possible? I feel like you are saying technically we can have 2.3 w/ the X's current kernel, but it looks like realistically we will never see 2.3 until Moto steps up.
edit: I was mainly referring to your last point
sciulli999 said:
I feel like this info is either wrong or irrelevent.
I'm leaning towards irrelevent. Why don't we have Gingerbread yet if it's possible? I feel like you are saying technically we can have 2.3 w/ the X's current kernel, but it looks like realistically we will never see 2.3 until Moto steps up.
edit: I was mainly referring to your last point
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First off, please don't bash on the devs that work so hard to give us new material for a phone that everyone expected to be impossible to do anything on...
2nd, gingerbread is possible, but you can't just take a release (even when possible) and dump it on a phone. It needs to be recompiled with the appropriate modifications to allow it to work on the X's hardware. Droid2169 is currently working on this, and has made some progress, he is working out usb drivers/connectivity I believe.
I understand waiting can be frustrating, but please don't bash on the devs who help us out.
thanks for the info
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misconception?---do i really need to "deodex" my droid x before flashing a custom rom? i was under the impression that installing a custom rom would deodex the phone, and deodexing only has to be done manually before theming.
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misconception?---do i really need to "deodex" my droid x before flashing a custom rom? i was under the impression that installing a custom rom would deodex the phone, and deodexing only has to be done manually before theming.
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Odexing is a process that optimizes the java code. most carrier roms are odexed. It is possible to de-odex a rom. also, if you build an aosp rom, it is not odexed, but can be if you wish.
you cannot apply a theme to an odexed rom.
Definitely something that applies to the rom, not the phone.
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Your kernel statement seems wrong. If the current Moto ROM has kernel # 1.2, but the newest version of Google's AOSP rom is kernel #1.4, there is no way for us to update to the newest AOSP kernel. Sure we can update the apps and whatnot from the newest version, but strictly speaking without the same kernel it is not AOSP.
Also I dunno where you get the idea that everyone think all DX roms are AOSP. If it has any sort of blur, it's not and many roms do.
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Your kernel statement seems wrong. If the current Moto ROM has kernel # 1.2, but the newest version of Google's AOSP rom is kernel #1.4, there is no way for us to update to the newest AOSP kernel. Sure we can update the apps and whatnot from the newest version, but strictly speaking without the same kernel it is not AOSP..
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The best example of this is probably coming up soon. If Netflix's app require's DRM api calls that are only supported in the 2.3+ kernels then you are SOL if you can't mess with your kernel. You lose features and any kernel fixes/optimizations.
Please excuse my noobieness, but could someone explain to me what exactly kernels are pertaining to roms? The reason why I ask is because I have the Fascinate with EB01 with Voodoo. I want to use Superio's voodoo sound tweaks, and I know that it isn't currently possible without the Froyonate's source code. Is it possible to use the Galaxy S's voodoo froyo kernel for the Fascinate? If so, what can I do to make it happen? Thanks in advance...
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Please excuse my noobieness, but could someone explain to me what exactly kernels are pertaining to roms? The reason why I ask is because I have the Fascinate with EB01 with Voodoo. I want to use Superio's voodoo sound tweaks, and I know that it isn't currently possible without the Froyonate's source code. Is it possible to use the Galaxy S's voodoo froyo kernel for the Fascinate? If so, what can I do to make it happen? Thanks in advance...
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OK but we're going to need a lot of peanut butter.....
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brickbeats said:
Please excuse my noobieness, but could someone explain to me what exactly kernels are pertaining to roms? The reason why I ask is because I have the Fascinate with EB01 with Voodoo. I want to use Superio's voodoo sound tweaks, and I know that it isn't currently possible without the Froyonate's source code. Is it possible to use the Galaxy S's voodoo froyo kernel for the Fascinate? If so, what can I do to make it happen? Thanks in advance...
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For general information about what the linux kernel is/does do some google searches. The kernels across different galaxy S devices are NOT interchangeable. We currently do not have source for froyo on the fascinate. Due to the nature of how the modifications work, voodoo lagfix was added to the kernel without needing to recompile form source, however voodoo sound fixes must be applied to source, rather than an already compiled kernel. Samsung will not release the source until at the very least, an official froyo is released. I suspect you might get some angry replies for posting this question. This is essentially because unless you're a competent linux hacker, the only thing you can do is wait patiently, even once the source is released.
This belongs in general. You should really use the search function.
http://www.xda-developers.com/announ...oderator-team/
Ok, I think that thr kernel is the core of the android operating system, where the drivers for the different hardware of your phone resides and the rom is the actual operating system, the kernel must be compatible to your phone otherwise it will not work. Many roms that you see posted here include kernels, the ones that dont you have to be carefull because if you have for example a non vodoo kernel and install a vodoo rom you will have serious problems, im no expert but maybe somebody more knowledgeable can correct me
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Voodoo is part of the kernel, not the rom. If you see a rom that is advertised as a Voodoo rom, it's because it comes with a Voodoo kernel. Installing a Voodoo rom and/or kernel won't cause any harm, but if you have the Voodoo lag fix installed and flash a non-Voodoo kernel, or a rom that contains a non-Voodoo kernel, you will get to learn how to use Odin very quickly. It's always a good idea to learn whether or not the rom you are flashing contains a kernel or not, just so that you don't get surprised by something after the fact.
Posted from my EB01 SuperClean Fascinate with Voodoo
ivorycruncher said:
you will get to learn how to use Odin very quickly.
Posted from my EB01 SuperClean Fascinate with Voodoo
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wait i learned odin real quick... isn't that thing we use to flash stuff and only click PDA and start on? <----- sarcasm.
ugh... my humor has really gone bonkers... time to take a couple ambien...
I'm trying to flash the latest voodoo kernel to my boys fascinate. But it doesn't seem to work like it did when I did it to my mesmerize. Is there a thread that gives you the step by step process? He really wants to use the BLN notification app but we need to do this first. So any help will be greatly appreciated.
voodoo and BLN are two different things. If he is on froyo, we cannot add BLN to it due to lack of source. Once we get source, we will add BLN but until that time all we have in 2.2 kernels is voodoo lagfix, because that can be injected into kernels.
This belongs in general:
Here's a guide that contains everything you will need:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=897889
Ctrl+F is your friend.
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voodoo and BLN are two different things. If he is on froyo, we cannot add BLN to it due to lack of source. Once we get source, we will add BLN but until that time all we have in 2.2 kernels is voodoo lagfix, because that can be injected into kernels.
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he is still on eclair. We are just trying to do bln mod
So I just picked up a tab today and of course the first thing to do is root, so just a couple of questions, I have a SGS and am on a CM7 ROM, so Im not a complete noob, although this next question may be a noob one... I was looking at the VFP OC kernel and was wondering if it was rooted, meaning can I just flash that kernel and be rooted?
The useragent mod looks to be a no brainer as far as having it, what other apps or mods would you guys consider standard ones to have?
I wont be doing anything till I fully read over what to do as far as rooting or anything else goes but it seems pretty straight forward since we are using the same tools i.e. CWM and ODIN, so just looking for suggestions ATM
Thanks ahead of time
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So I just picked up a tab today and of course the first thing to do is root, so just a couple of questions, I have a SGS and am on a CM7 ROM, so Im not a complete noob, although this next question may be a noob one... I was looking at the VFP OC kernel and was wondering if it was rooted, meaning can I just flash that kernel and be rooted?
The useragent mod looks to be a no brainer as far as having it, what other apps or mods would you guys consider standard ones to have?
I wont be doing anything till I fully read over what to do as far as rooting or anything else goes but it seems pretty straight forward since we are using the same tools i.e. CWM and ODIN, so just looking for suggestions ATM
Thanks ahead of time
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Welcome! Use the rooting video guide to get CWM on your GT10, once you've done that just use the CWM program to flash both ROMs and Kernels.
As for the mods, you don't need them as they are already baked into most of the ROMs. Try Starburst or Task650 for ROMs, And definitely use pershoot's Kernel (and get the SetCPU app to overclock, you can get it free somewhere in these forums).
Have fun!
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Welcome! Use the rooting video guide to get CWM on your GT10, once you've done that just use the CWM program to flash both ROMs and Kernels.
As for the mods, you don't need them as they are already baked into most of the ROMs. Try Starburst or Task650 for ROMs, And definitely use pershoot's Kernel (and get the SetCPU app to overclock, you can get it free somewhere in these forums).
Have fun!
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Great thanks for the help and direction