So after seeing many things that is said with the DX I thought I should write a post like this. This is just to clear up confusion so users can have the knowledge to use in the future.
Every ROM for the DX is AOSP
I have seen this said many times and it bugs me that people think that all ROMs are AOSP. As of now, there are actually only a few AOSP ROMs for the DX, cvpcs' Tanzanite/Obsidian, Cobalt, and blackdroid's Ultimate Droid. Other ROMs like rubiX, Liberty, ApeX, and Fission are basically Motorola ROMs with the blur applications replaced with AOSP applications. Now this does not actually make it AOSP. It has features from AOSP, but there is much more to it than the applications. These blur-based ROMs actually have other AOSP-like features, such as lock screen music controls and a few others. Now that also doesn't make it AOSP, those are just a few features that were originally modifications to AOSP to add more functionality to a ROM. That doesn't mean these ROMs are bad in any way. They are actually very good. The only downfall of them is the fact that they are limited to what can be done.
There can't be AOSP ROMs without a custom kernel.
Another statement I have been told or have seen several times. It is considered AOSP if it comes from Google's source. A kernel won't affect the fact that it was built from source. Although it would be ideal for a custom kernel with AOSP, it isn't needed.
A custom kernel is needed.
This is another incorrect statement. It would be nice to replace the kernel, but it isn't needed. The kernel that is provided to us from Motorola includes basically everything the end user would need. Also there is overclocking(although it isn't the easiest implementation) by adding a temporary module to the kernel that is erased after the phone is powered off.
Gingerbread won't come to the DX until Motorola releases a new kernel with their Gingerbread update.
Incorrect. What the original concern was that Gingerbread would not boot with a .32 kernel(the kernel the DX has.) and that it needs a .35 kernel. This was later proven wrong with D1. The D1 has been running Gingerbread for a bit now with a .32 kernel. Now I know people will say it is is a different kernel or something along those lines, but that doesn't matter. Gingerbread will boot on it without needing to replace the current kernel.
this is something that should be posted on every forum about the DX. Great info
Would getting building GB on the DX give us the new garbage collector too? I'm so tired of waiting for memory to clear after PewPew (makes a TON of objects).
Trongable said:
Would getting building GB on the DX give us the new garbage collector too? I'm so tired of waiting for memory to clear after PewPew (makes a TON of objects).
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Don't think GB would do anything different with it.
Moved and stuck. Thanks Matt! Please add info as it strikes you, this could be really helpful to the newer folks.
I feel like this info is either wrong or irrelevent.
I'm leaning towards irrelevent. Why don't we have Gingerbread yet if it's possible? I feel like you are saying technically we can have 2.3 w/ the X's current kernel, but it looks like realistically we will never see 2.3 until Moto steps up.
edit: I was mainly referring to your last point
sciulli999 said:
I feel like this info is either wrong or irrelevent.
I'm leaning towards irrelevent. Why don't we have Gingerbread yet if it's possible? I feel like you are saying technically we can have 2.3 w/ the X's current kernel, but it looks like realistically we will never see 2.3 until Moto steps up.
edit: I was mainly referring to your last point
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First off, please don't bash on the devs that work so hard to give us new material for a phone that everyone expected to be impossible to do anything on...
2nd, gingerbread is possible, but you can't just take a release (even when possible) and dump it on a phone. It needs to be recompiled with the appropriate modifications to allow it to work on the X's hardware. Droid2169 is currently working on this, and has made some progress, he is working out usb drivers/connectivity I believe.
I understand waiting can be frustrating, but please don't bash on the devs who help us out.
thanks for the info
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misconception?---do i really need to "deodex" my droid x before flashing a custom rom? i was under the impression that installing a custom rom would deodex the phone, and deodexing only has to be done manually before theming.
ernesttatum said:
misconception?---do i really need to "deodex" my droid x before flashing a custom rom? i was under the impression that installing a custom rom would deodex the phone, and deodexing only has to be done manually before theming.
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Odexing is a process that optimizes the java code. most carrier roms are odexed. It is possible to de-odex a rom. also, if you build an aosp rom, it is not odexed, but can be if you wish.
you cannot apply a theme to an odexed rom.
Definitely something that applies to the rom, not the phone.
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Your kernel statement seems wrong. If the current Moto ROM has kernel # 1.2, but the newest version of Google's AOSP rom is kernel #1.4, there is no way for us to update to the newest AOSP kernel. Sure we can update the apps and whatnot from the newest version, but strictly speaking without the same kernel it is not AOSP.
Also I dunno where you get the idea that everyone think all DX roms are AOSP. If it has any sort of blur, it's not and many roms do.
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Your kernel statement seems wrong. If the current Moto ROM has kernel # 1.2, but the newest version of Google's AOSP rom is kernel #1.4, there is no way for us to update to the newest AOSP kernel. Sure we can update the apps and whatnot from the newest version, but strictly speaking without the same kernel it is not AOSP..
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The best example of this is probably coming up soon. If Netflix's app require's DRM api calls that are only supported in the 2.3+ kernels then you are SOL if you can't mess with your kernel. You lose features and any kernel fixes/optimizations.
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As the title states.. at this moment there is absolutely no reason why we dont have custom roms floating around for our devices yet, other then the fact that noone has taken the time to make one
We have a fully functional recovery from koush as far as pushing custom roms go.. we also have a fully functional froyo base to work with as well as a froyo .32 kernal.. nothing is stopping us at this point other then the fact that noones done one yet
Whos going to be the first to throw one out there?
Whoever it is, please remove all the bloat... Deodex all the system files for easy theming and try to zipalign and optimize however you can
This thread is absolutely useless, not to mention in the wrong section.
anybody can post it. But why sud be Start to Speculate or Gamble. When it will be available it will be like we got Froyo 2.2 stock image
Joe92T said:
As the title states.. at this moment there is absolutely no reason why we dont have custom roms floating around for our devices yet, other then the fact that noone has taken the time to make one
We have a fully functional recovery from koush as far as pushing custom roms go.. we also have a fully functional froyo base to work with as well as a froyo .32 kernal.. nothing is stopping us at this point other then the fact that noones done one yet
Whos going to be the first to throw one out there?
Whoever it is, please remove all the bloat... Deodex all the system files for easy theming and try to zipalign and optimize however you can
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if your phone has root you can remove all the bloat you want and install whatever you want. you should get started with root explorer
Make your own F***ing rom then if you dont feel like waiting for somone to make one. Anyway I bet there is many people working on roms right for the droid x
So many smartasses. How about you guys lay off and get a life, the guy was just asking a question.
I agree with the OP, right around the time that koush released his recovery there were a bunch of people talking about coming out with froyo roms (birdman and rainabba namely)but without the froyo kernel, then the leaked froyo came out and nothing ever happened since.
Now we have a froyo kernel to work with, we just need a stock android build without any oem customization.
Bootloader still locked?
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I dont feel like we really need a new rom, whats it gonna do for me? It will either be 2.1 or the 2.2 leak with different themes/different apps, something I could and would rather do myself.
Outside of theming, I dont see the point.
LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
I dont feel like we really need a new rom, whats it gonna do for me? It will either be 2.1 or the 2.2 leak with different themes/different apps, something I could and would rather do myself.
Outside of theming, I dont see the point.
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There is definately benefits to be had as far as performance goes as well.. cleaning up the froyo build and optimizing / zipaligning the apks will get things going well, and as you said as far as theming goes, a completely deodexed rom will allow complete themes from A to Z not just status bar things, could even put a new lockscreen in place that may not have any crazy lag
I could see an industrious dev cleaning up the froyo build a little, but I have had almost zero issues with this build, outside of a build.prop change. We will see one soon I am sure, hell, Im just glad we finally have a custom recovery.
LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
I could see an industrious dev cleaning up the froyo build a little, but I have had almost zero issues with this build, outside of a build.prop change. We will see one soon I am sure, hell, Im just glad we finally have a custom recovery.
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Yeah i just find it humerous that everyone was complaining we dont have a custom recovery and the world is goin to end, and im not going to buy a Droid X because the bootloader is locked etc etc yada yada... but then when we actually get rom flashing capabilities, noone even uses it lol
Isn't the bootloader for the Droid X still locked? IE no custom roms?
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They found a way around it, custom roms are doable now, just noones made one
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So, maybe this would be better asked in another thread, but how would I go about pulling the recovery image in order to customize it? I'm simply assuming that's how it's done, so if not, let me know. I would like to start messing with making some roms, but have no clue where to start as it seems to be all device-centric. Where does one learn all of this?
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They found a way around it, custom roms are doable now, just noones made one
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I don't understand how it's doable with a locked bootloader? If someone created a clean froyo rom how would it boot? Wouldn't that be similar to removing all the apk's from the leaked rom and expecting it to boot?
Please tell me if I'm wrong...
bart77 said:
I don't understand how it's doable with a locked bootloader? If someone created a clean froyo rom how would it boot? Wouldn't that be similar to removing all the apk's from the leaked rom and expecting it to boot?
Please tell me if I'm wrong...
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We can do custom roms, but have to include and not modify the stock kernel. So, no modular overclocking I believe.
Basically, the first roms to come out will be de blur'd so to speak, and then AOSP roms will hit later. Promise Just a matter of time.
The original lockdown of the bootloader and "efuse" scared a lot of dev's off of getting the X. I only know a handful of people deving for the X, so I assume this is why customs roms are taking a while to come out.
Regardless, they'll be here soon enough. Patience
Im getting the x soon, and maybe i can whip up a rom
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Koush's recovery for 2.1? Will it work on 2.2?
Steeleio said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Koush's recovery for 2.1? Will it work on 2.2?
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Unless the 2.2 out isnt root friendly, it should work, but then again, i dont have an x
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I've been rooting EVOs for a while and am familiar with their custom recovery and flashing ROMs.
Is flashing ROMs the same with an X, and what are some popular ROMs out there for it. I only see a couple.
Cheers!!
carguy4471 said:
I've been rooting EVOs for a while and am familiar with their custom recovery and flashing ROMs.
Is flashing ROMs the same with an X, and what are some popular ROMs out there for it. I only see a couple.
Cheers!!
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I am aware of only one custom ROM at the moment--Birdman's FlyX ROM, which can be installed through ROM manager
the dev's who created sapphire ROM for the droid may also be working on the Obsidian ROM, though I haven't checked lately.
Though several devs (e.g. birdman and koush) have done some nice work with root, recovery, ROM making, etc., I get the sense that not very many devs are working on creating ROMS for the X. Perhaps Motorola's control issues turned them off. Wish I was able to do more than utilize the work of others and donate $.
ROMs are also extremely new for the X, you also have to that in too. And there are limitations, such as no custom kernels (which I read is keeping CM6 away).
I don't see much point in FlyX... all stuff you should do by yourself, really... On a side note... why the hell did he remove the "Maps" app ? What are people supposed to use instead?
Suggestion box didn't come up with anything relevant. Basically just rooted my Evo, running stock 2.2 and want the fastest kernel without flashing a custom ROM - I actually like Sense on a phone that's fast enough to handle it. On my Hero it was awful and CM6 helped tons - on the Evo I'd like to keep it.
Can anyone offer any help? Currently running the usual 1147 quadrant score. Over 1500 would be awesome.
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Just do some research tons I mean tons of info in the Dev section go have a read
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Well.. I've tried that. I can't find anything in plain English that says "This is for stock Evo" or "This is sense based and will keep all of your nice widgets". That's why I asked the question.
Dont know if its the fastest, but i Run this on my rooted stock EVO..
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/cdma-htc-...kernel-netarchy-toastmod-version-4-1-8-a.html
AnHero said:
Well.. I've tried that. I can't find anything in plain English that says "This is for stock Evo" or "This is sense based and will keep all of your nice widgets". That's why I asked the question.
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It's cool. Basically you want a kernel that works on Sense ROMs. There are a lot of them out there. Installing a new kernel won't affect your launcher or widgets as long as it is compatible with Sense.
Honestly the easiest thing to do is to install a different ROM that comes with an improved kernel. There are lots of Sense ROMs out there such as Baked Snack. They come with their own kernel and are tested and optimized to work together.
edit: and yes, netarchy's kernel posted above is a fine example. Flashing that kernel from recovery will improve your performance but once again, if you are running a rooted ROM you may already have a good custom kernel installed.
Could someone please make the 4 in 1 reboot into a flashable mod for rooted stock MR2 Froyo? (Specifically Official 1.70.605.0 MR2 OTA Deodexed Rooted Busybox) I know there are roms that currently have it, but they also have stability issues and considerably more features that I just don't want.
Thanks and awesome job on everything you devs do. You guys are what makes droid phones worth having.
BAMF roms have it and are the most stable roms I have found. They may have more features than you want though, I wish they had a stripped 1.8.6 (because 1.8 doesn't work with the mr2radio) that sounds like the Rom you would want as well.
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BAMF roms have it and are the most stable roms I have found. They may have more features than you want though, I wish they had a stripped 1.8.6 (because 1.8 doesn't work with the mr2radio) that sounds like the Rom you would want as well.
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Yeah those were good roms, but like you said, too many features. Custom boot animations, battery icons, etc. Much more than I want. I'll keep begging and maybe somebody will take pity on me and make it.
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hey guys, and sorry for a question i know must have been asked before, but i am unable to find.
What roms are the best and most up to date as of now?
i was going to go with cm7 but saw we had cm9 and a few others out there, my real question is, anything better then cm7 out there?
this will be used for my wife, who just wants it to work, as little freezes and hang ups as possible, feature set means nothing next to speed and reliability.
this is my last attempt to make this phone usable for her before i take my 12 gauge to it. please please help! i have to her hear whine everyday with the 2.6.1(think that's it) kernel on there (hasn't been updated in over a year, so anything should be an improvement, it's just hard to get the phone off her long enough to toy with it)
In that case I would use either Superclean 3 or Geewiz
Both are stock EH03 based Touchwiz ROMS. Neither has bleeding edge features but they both just work and are the most up to date ROMs that come from the Samsung/Verizon base. Personally, I have found these ROMS to be the best on battery longevity.
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In that case I would use either Superclean 3 or Geewiz
Both are stock EH03 based Touchwiz ROMS. Neither has bleeding edge features but they both just work and are the most up to date ROMs that come from the Samsung/Verizon base. Personally, I have found these ROMS to be the best on battery longevity.
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cool, i already d/l'd the geewhiz but it's not taking like the other rom's i'm used to, flashed stock rom E3 and booted in to recovery and tried to update with gwiz through recovery, signature error of some sort, will try again with the other one you mentioned ..... or do i need to load the kernel using odin then flash rom through recovery?
I would also recomend giving Team Hacksung ICS build 6.5 w/ Icy Glitch v14 b4 kernel a try! No doubt superclean and geewiz are great roms, but I think you will like ICS 4.0.3 the best...just sayin.
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I would also recomend giving Team Hacksung ICS build 6.5 w/ Icy Glitch v14 b4 kernel a try! No doubt superclean and geewiz are great roms, but I think you will like ICS 4.0.3 the best...just sayin.
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i thought i saw that as a beta build, been around long enough to be proven?
[KERNEL][CM9][1/29/12] Icy Glitch V14 - BETA - LiveOC - Voodoo - DIDLE - USBhost
gotta bail from work will be back on with the tablet in about an hour.
ICS still has some issues and while it's good enough for 99% of people if this is for pure stability for a nontechnical user I'd say to go for the ROMs I mentioned earlier. Some issues on ICS are MMS doesn't work with wifi on, the datadata issue, the ui is a bit different from Touchwiz ROMs, phantom ring still occurs, CWM and nandroids still have some issues, and it's on a pretty rapid release cycle which would mean that you would need to update her phone fairly often.
ICS is great and it's what I'm running but I think the more mature EH03 ROMS are appropriate in this case.
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The link you have goes to Glitch which is a kernel. That is part of the operating system but isn't the entire ICS OS. ICS ROM development is centered over at the rootzwiki developer forum. AOKP, Gummy, and teamhacksung's build are the premier builds.
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ICS still has some issues and while it's good enough for 99% of people if this is for pure stability for a nontechnical user I'd say to go for the ROMs I mentioned earlier. Some issues on ICS are MMS doesn't work with wifi on, the datadata issue, the ui is a bit different from Touchwiz ROMs, phantom ring still occurs, CWM and nandroids still have some issues, and it's on a pretty rapid release cycle which would mean that you would need to update her phone fairly often.
ICS is great and it's what I'm running but I think the more mature EH03 ROMS are appropriate in this case.
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The link you have goes to Glitch which is a kernel. That is part of the operating system but isn't the entire ICS OS. ICS ROM development is centered over at the rootzwiki developer forum. AOKP, Gummy, and teamhacksung's build are the premier builds.
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Yeah, i figured if the kernel was in beta the rom would be as well, got her on super clean and she likes it , still can't tell the difference between that and a 2.6.1 build that was beta around a year ago,lol, thanks for the help and ics is sick , but bob nailed it in regards to my intentions.
That said , thanks to the both of you for bothering with this b.s. question in the first place , i was at work trying to sort her phone out , she needs her phone , life is chaos and time is short, thanks for making it all a little more easy. Also great to see such great support still going on for this, envious with my charge in regards to roms.
Hope i don't need to post here again for a while if you get what I'm saying, haha !! Thanks a ton !
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