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Rogers/Fido Canadian 3G frequency bands

Hello all,
I am posting this in the General forum as I believe it is a general question, although partly related to the new Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 phone. To make a long story short, I am trying to discover which exact frequencies Rogers/Fido uses for their 3G network.
I called Fido today and even the CSR couldn't give me a concrete answer. I would hope to find the real answer out as this will help people interested in using EU/ASIA phones in Canada.
For more information (and so I don't have to double-type), please check the post I made in the Xperia forums below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2745513&postcount=10
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).

scar45 said:
Hello all,
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).
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To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 850 for 3G, NOT 2100 (2100 is Japan and so on).
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
When they launched the 3G network, they went with 850.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
[edit] oops just read your thread.
These may be of help:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?referrerid=295219&t=1441969
http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1259262-1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless (claims 850MHz for 3G, no 1900)

Pseudo Nim said:
To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 2100 for 3G, so you are correct.
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
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I haven't actually got my hands on the X1 yet, as I really want to confirm as to whether or not I should get the X1i or X1a...I have been waiting forever and I'm tempted to risk getting the X1i (900/1900/2100mhz 3G), however I am not totally confident that it will work on the Rogers' 3G network.
You claim that Rogers and Fido both use 2100mhz for 3G, and if that is the case, then the X1i should work. I was under the impression that 2100mhz wasn't even used with Rogers, and it was a question of 850 or 1900mhz for 3G. Also, it would appear that Fido no longer has it's own towers, and they only use the Rogers' ones for now. Therefore, I don't believe there would be a difference between Fido or Rogers' actual GSM/3G service.
I'm not so much confused, but rather uninformed as to what frequenct the Rogers' 3G service uses. Whether it's a difference between 850/1900/2100, it would still be good to know if ALL are available in the Toronto area.
Hopefully more Canadians see this thread and can elaborate as to which exact frequency Rogers' 3G truly is.
Thanks for your input Pseudo Nim, it's greatly appreciated to get more info on this issue!
** EDIT ** - Here's what I found from the digitalhome.ca forums which seems to make sense to me (as I remember seeing elsewhere that 850 AND 1900mhz 3G is supported, but Rogers may be turning off 3G on 1900mhz to save bandwidth for voice data). Check the post here:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=642523&postcount=11
Looks like I might just wait (even longer) and get the X1a to guarantee that it will access the Rogers 3G network on 850mhz (if they do end up using that frequency exclusively).
damnit!

Hi there,
Here's a few links that may help:
http://store.nokia.ca/support.php?page=faq (Search page for Rogers)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=652905
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ca.shtml
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.

EGMine said:
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.
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Good point about the Extended Network charge, I will have to call Fido and ask them if I would be able to connect to 3G/HSDPA on the 850mhz band. The thing is, when I was talking with the Fido CSR today, he claimed that Fido no longer really even has towers, and that ALL traffic is over the Rogers network.
I would love to figure out which band I am on, however I have an HTC Universal with NO 3G capabilities, so all I would see is the GSM network (would still be nice, altho I'm not even sure if the Uni i have supports the 850mhz band...I'm currently on 1900mhz). Does anyone know how to verify information like this under WinMo?
I know the GSM voice frequencies of Rogers/Fido, however it was rumoured that 3G was going to be disabled on the 1900mhz band, because 850mhz was stronger, and they needed to free up voice bandwidth.
Anyways, if there is a way to do a field test in WinMo, it would be good to know so I can see more details of what I'm connected to. I'll start hunting and post a link if I come across it first tho.

This is probably a mute point but i'm sure it's safe to say that Rogers doesn't operate 3G on either 900 or 2100. I've got a touch pro and it doesn't work on 3G at all. My Kaiser did altho I only got about 3Mbps speeds which's why i went for the TP. Shoulda stuck with the Kaiser heh.

My X1i doesn't seem to be connecting to Rogers under 3G (only EDGE)....
But why is this setting here then? I want X1a ROM's please! hehe
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I get 3G in some places and Edge in smaller cities with Rogers

rogers does also have SOME 1700Mhz t-mobile version of 3g setup in Vancouver because of the olympics, now it certainly doesnt compare to the 3.5G that i get with a rogers device, but its better then nothing.

my x1iii works rogers 3G
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where

jdx1 said:
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where
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JDX, are you positive that it's on 3G/HSDPA? I also have an X1i (since November 2008) and I have yet to get on 3G with it...good God I hope this is true...
Also, are you in the downtown core, or out in the suburbs?

jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!

Matt1408 said:
jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?

I work at St Clair and Yonge, before 2 weeks ago, i have been getting GPRS (not even edge) with my Atom life (1900/2100). The only place that I have ever seen 3G is right outside the urban behavior store in erin mills, for some reason i get 3G there.
Since 2 weeks ago, i have been getting constant 3G icon when my phone is on my working deskop.
As i walk down the street, i get H icon and when i try to sync with MyPhone, it is blazing fast.. compared to what i have before.
I have to commment tho, in some places it goes on and off, and sometimes the reception for voice isnt that great as compared to before.

Xdenwarrior said:
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?
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I'm in the vancouver downtown area, and noticed that my x1i is now connecting 3g / H as well!
I hope it's not just temporary.. .did a couple speed tests, and it ranges from 200kb - 600kb.
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I was on the bus today in the morning coming down 16th, and my X1i constantly changed from E to 3g and H between Oak and Cambie, West 16th.

Thanx, guys for all the replies, u r all SO lucky lol!
****, if only this miracle can come to Calgary soon enough...
Update: 3 weeks later:
and it DID haha, I abandoned Fido, and so now get 3g+ with Telus's new HSPA network....

I posted on HowardForums about this:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=13131032
according to toolcube, rogers is indeed building out more capacity on the 1900 band.

Well, I'm pretty sure that fido is only using the 1900 network, as stated on their website.
Frequency
The rate at which a waveform or signal alternates. This rate is usually measured in hertz, a unit meaning cycles per second. Voice and data transmission is expressed in millions of hertz, called megahertz (MHz). 1900, 1800, 900 and 850 MHz are the main frequency bands. Fido uses the 1900 band.
http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/Glossary
and says that they run 3g as well (what it appears anyways)
3G
A third generation of wireless developments, it uses a mobile wireless technology called HSPA. HSPA (High Speed Packet Access) is the latest evolution of GSM—the dominant world-wide standard for mobile wireless communications. It allows you to enjoy the kind of high-speed Internet and multimedia experience previously only possible on a PC, and gives you first-hand access to high-speed mobile Internet, Video Calling, streaming video, radio on demand, your favourite TV programs, music and mobile communities all on your Fido.

Looked into this yesterday since Rogers is the only carrier selling the HTC Hero which also works on AT&T.
Rogers and AT&T use the same 3G frequencies, so all handsets work on each others networks: 850/1900 for UMTS.
The rest of the world seems to be 900/2100.
And T-Mobile USA is 1700?

**Confirmed, 850MHZ 3G not on the X1i**

I know a lot of us have been wondering, debating, anticipating whether the X1i will support both U.S. 3G bands. There has even been hope with the awesome reviews/wealth of info posted by BengalBoy on his site. His latest commercial proto X1i shows 5 UMTS BANDS! I almost fell over when I saw that. Could the X1i really have penta-band? I would rather have the X1i over the X1a if possible due to the 30fps recording, etc...
Up to this point the Sony Website for the UK says yes to 5 bands...
However, as mentioned by X1rocks on BB's site, a Swede, "Vigge" over on the Inxperia forums posted the band info listed on his retail X1i box recently...
Here it is:
*On the box: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & UMTS eu1/us2/eu8
That means UMTS 900/1900/2100!
Damn!
Even though BB has 5 UMTS options on his phone, it could simply be "options" that don't have any hardware backup like some people mentioned with the UK Touch Pro...
Sadly, I'm leaning towards the possibility that the X1i will only have 3 UMTS bands, 2 for EU, 1 for U.S. Might have to cancel my order with Clove if this gets enough confirmation...
Any thoughts?
update
Pretty much confirmed that X1i has 1900 UMTS only. Thanks everyone for the replies...

Yes you are correct. The whitepapers have indicated the X1i will have UMTS 900/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7200A for 30fps recording, while the X1a will have UMTS 850/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7201A for 24fps recording.
Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro. AFAIK there is no proof that any single model of the X1 will support 5 UMTS bands in the radio, so it is very difficult to make that assumption right now.

In that case, it's crappy news for U.S. users, especially since the X1a likely won't make it's way into the States until early '09.
Damn UMTS bands.... I suppose sharing something common with the rest of the world would be too much to ask for...
Finally nixed my order with Clove this morning...

So in short, the version that is coming to Clove next week will NOT have 3g in the USA..?

That's what I'm wondering... Sent them an e-mail yesterday to confirm that there will be no 850 3G... Still have not heard back... This is absurd... I cannot understand how definitive specs have not been posted. Most Swedish users report no 850 3G present, but, some UK stores say that it will have 850 3G present. I'm confused, tired, and hungry. Damn you X1!

My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.

Yes!!!! It Works With At&t. Period
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!
It works in USA with AT&T 3G!!!!!!!!
THANKS!

OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
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I've been torn between X1 and Fuze, and this might be a significant decision point -- I really want to believe this but can we safely assume the presence of US 3G bands in the band options guarantees that the hardware itself supports it? or when you activate it in US it would just throw an error?
Edit: changed "Touch Pro" to "Fuze" - TP might not have US 3g hardware

Oh man, I'm still confused as hell and SO badly want to order the damn X1i from the UK
Like I said, Swedish users are saying 900/1900/2100 3G
UK shops and users are saying there is a 850mhz option, BUT, could it simply be an option that when selected leads to a network error like some other users have suggested?? Some other HTC phones have this option...
WTF??!!! Why so much confusion...

"Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro."
This is what I mean when I say the 850/1900 UMTS option could be software only, as fhseih mentioned...

There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.

Actually, the X1i will work on AT&T 3G via 1900mhz.
However, I did get an e-mail from Clove (seemingly) confirming that the X1i will not have the 850mhz 3G option.
So there you go. If you want 850 UMTS just to be safe that you will get the ultimate 3G performance in the U.S. wait for the X1a like me...

This is the sticker on the side of my box. Have no idea what the UMTS US2 is, but I'm sure it'll mean something to those in America.
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Artesea,
Thanks for posting that..
As I already was told, that means the X1i has UMTS 1900, but not 850, as I thought..
So, at this point, it would seem, it is confirmed...

mlinz said:
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
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Wrong! AT&T 3G works mostly over UMTS 1900.
The coverage map the 850 overlaps in most places with 1900
I'm in New York here ATT have both 850/1900 and G3
IMPORTANT: No all areas with 1900 have 3G. If you are close to metropolitan areas you might be lucky. Check this map. or go to AT&T site and check coverage locally.
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml

get fieldtest.exe to check if ATT has 1900umts 3G in your area! most htc phones should have fieldtest.exe in /windows folder.

Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.

SCtud said:
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
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Because the lawsuit is only in NA

I understand that most of At&t's original "3g" network is 1900mhz, this however doesn't mean much to most people and if you are expecting speeds to be faster using 1900mhz over 850mhz EDGE/2G you are mistaken. In many cases they are very similar..
1900mhz provides a larger coverage area with fewer towers, this results in slower speeds and weak penetration. Meaning you will have more trouble getting signal indoors and if you have good signal don't expect much speed increase over Edge.
850mhz is shorter range and higher penetration, this offers the 3G speeds most people would expect and good reception indoors. The problem is coverage area is smaller so if you need to be closer to towers for good service. Metro areas have large clusters of towers so signal is usually better, but if its only 1900mhz its still going to be slower. This is the main issue with iphone 3G in the USA and reportedly bad speeds. It runs specifically on 1900mhz frequency for 3G. The reason 850 coverage is less is because their Edge/2G is specifically 850mhz so replacing towers with 3G specific ones kills phones with out 3G radios equipped for the band.
The reason I am saying it "doesn't work" is because for true 3G signal/speed etc you want a combination of 850mhz and 1900mhz..or solid 850 coverage..most areas don't have this yet. In my case I live in a City with solid 850mhz and 1900mhz coverage. So 3G on 1900mhz isn't horrible, its no where near as good as 850MHZ 3G in the same building.

Would these help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

Not international??

On the TMo site, if you do a compare of the G2 with other phones (e.g. the Vibrant), you will see that the G2 is NOT noted as an international phone. Is this possible, or just a screw-up on the TMo site?

It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.

atlp99 said:
It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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that is very odd but i suppose they want you to only use this thing in the us or they dont want you to unlock it and be able to use 3g on at&t network. but i guess if thats a big issue you could always get the desire z it has less rom but i seriously doubt you will use all of the rom i mean you have 1.5gb which is more than double any other HTC phone 2 date.

I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.

Superfrag said:
I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!

crazy
It would indeed be crazy if the G2 couldn't pick up 3G outside of the US. I mean, my G1 is able to (after I unlocked it and used other carriers' sims, etc.). I'm just hoping it's really just a screw up on the Tmo website. However, all this talk about bands and such is beyond me, but makes me nervous. If anyone can officially clear things up, would be much appreciated. Cheers.

setspeed said:
I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
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See, all T-Mobile phones till now, have the 2100Mhz band. Infact its universal in almost all smartphones..
The only thing that will prevent you from getting the G2, is that it will be locked to T-Mobile. If you're just picking it up without a contract, and you're not an existing T-Mobile customer, I doubt they will unlock it for you.
Other alternatives are getting the unlock codes from eBay, I've done it previously for many BlackBerries and they worked perfectly, but I can't vouch for Android phones.
Or wait for XDA community to come up with a way to unlock it, but I feel that might be a software unlock restricted to that particular baseband AFAIK.
Also, T-Mobile smartphones usually have 2 bands, 1700Mhz(for TMo's 3G) and 2100Mhz for Europe and Rest of World. The Vibrant somehow has 1900, maybe because Samsung didn't bother to remove it or dunno why. But I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 1700 and 2100Mhz bands, I will be shocked if it doesn't.
Alternatively, the Desire Z will not have the 1700Mhz band, but I think it will have 900/1900/2100 Mhz for other parts of the world. AFAIK, Japan and some carriers in Australia uses 1900. Europe as a whole uses 2100.
AT&T smartphones uses 850Mhz band, but in some cities they still have the old 1900Mhz band running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
That list should tell you where all the different bands are used. Note that Japanese carriers use a different type of 1700Mhz band in comparison to T-Mobile USA.

G2 2100 Mhz ?
It struck me as odd that the G2 is listed as not having 2100 Mhz 3g. It may very well be a typo, Phonescoop lists the G2 as having both 1700Mhz and 2100 Mhz.
The 3G frequency that T-Mobile USA uses is not a pure 1700 Mhz, It actually uses one frequency for uplink and a different one for downlink to communicate with the towers. It uses 1700 Mhz for one and 2100 Mhz for the other, I forget which is uplink and downlink.
Most of the rest of the world ouside of the USA uses 2100 Mhz for both uplink and downlink for 3G.
Because of this all T-Mobile 3G smartphones have been able to use 3G on the 2100 Mhz frequency outside the US. It seems unlikely that HTC would disable 2100 Mhz on the G2 especially since it is basically the same as the Desire Z in europe.

Actually, if you looked at the Wiki, 2100Mhz band means 1900Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. The 1700Mhz spectrum that T-Mobile USA uses is 1700Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. Very similar... but still very different.
Take a look at the UMTS frequency band wiki page that I have posted in the above post of mine, you should be able to understand how it works.

From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.

So just to make things a bit clear, will the T-Mobile G2 use 3G and HSDPA in the UK & Europe if I unlock it and insert a UK simcard in there or will it be stucked on EDGE?

I'm pretty sure it will work on 3G in Europe(2100Mhz Band). But we can only be sure when the phone releases.

Anomaly said:
From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
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I doubt there will be a latin american version. The G2 will work on T-Mobile, and the Desire Z is an unlocked G2 with 900/1900/2100 Band support (I'm presuming).
I think the G2 will have 1700Mhz(for T-Mobile) and 2100Mhz(for Europe and Asia).
All the other T-Mobile smartphones have 2100Mhz, I've yet to come across a smartphone from T-Mo that only supports 1700Mhz. I really don't think the G2 will be any different.

Superfrag,
Thanks for the correction. I knew the 2100 Mhz frequency overlapped, but could not remember the specification of the other half.

If you check on the HTC website, you will see that the Desire Z is a 900/2100Mhz phone, however, this means that it is a Band I/VIII phone, not Band IV like the G2.
What this means is both phones operate on a downlink frequency range round about (they are not the same) 2100Mhz. However, the Z's uplink frequency range is around 1900Mhz and the G2's uplink range is around 1700Mhz.
This means that you can't send data in the US with the Z or in Europe with the G2, but you could potentially receive data. The problem is, that the phone can't handshake, so I think it will drop any data it receives.
There are latin american versions of a lot of phones, so there is still hope. Just hope that it isn't a Brazilian phone because I am fairly sure they use the same frequencies as Europe.
You can check out the wiki on UMTS Operating Bands here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Note that many T-Mobile phones also support Band I, which is why they work in Europe, the G2 is an exception.

I really don't think the G2 will be an exception. If it is, I will be heavily disappointed, as then I won't buy it since I need the 2100Mhz band..
Oh and just to confirm, where did you read that it will be Band IV only, and not Band I?

If you follow this link you can see the "T-Mobile Compare" page, between the G2 and the Vibrant. Note that the Vibrant supports Band I and Band IV (it lists AWS separately but this is the same thing as 1700/2100) while the G2 only supports Band IV.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...97-d234-4683-8b5a-f026b9db5528,&manufacturer=
It could be incorrect information, but I am fairly sure I have seen it repeated elsewhere, I will try to find another source.

as i understood it from all the previous discussions comparing european 3G and USA Tmobile 3g, tmo uses AWS IV bands (1700/2100) for 3G - 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink
i was going to import a HTC Desire from Tmo UK, thinking it would still pull 3G on the download side here in the states, and found out Tmo US network, if it doesn't see both bands it will automatically limit the connection to edge speeds
i don't know about using it in europe but here are the specs from Tmo's web
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Honestly, if the G2 can't give me 3g data when I travel outside the US (to Europe, for instance), then that's going to be a dealbreaker, which is crushing as I love the phone otherwise. But is it really possible that this would be the case?? Aren't they marketing the G2 as a great business phone? Forgive me for saying so, but a business phone that can't travel would be a disgrace.

i'd check with tmo tech rep but it may be moot point - last time i went overseas to switzerland, data rates were so intimidating, i limited my net useage to checking emails

Moto X models comparison

The attached table summarizes the specs of different models. I think this should be sticky

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The attached table summarizes the specs of different models. I think this should be sticky
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Thank you for the summary. I was trying to find a clear answer on this all over and this is the only place ive seen it sumarized. Im looking to get a moto x for tmobile, but I wanted to make sure that it had 1700 HSDPA. It seems only the dev model and the t mobile version do.

Thanks for posting this. I am quite sure the Rogers version supports the exact same LTE bands as AT&T. I know for certain it supports band 4 as that is what I'm using mine with.

I found this info in Rogers website. Is it a mistake?

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I found this info in Rogers website. Is it a mistake?
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I don't think its a mistake, its just that Rogers only lists the bands they actually use, not the bands the phone supports. I'm surprised they claim LTE band 7. While Rogers uses it the FCC data for the phone doesn't list any approval for band 7 that I can find.(yes Rogers is in Canada but our approvals generally follow the FCC info)
I figure that the way Motorola differentiates between the bands supported would be the model number, such as XT-1058.
This is why your table is so valuable, the info is very hard to find. I'm not using my Rogers Moto X with Rogers, just like many others want to buy a Moto X for another provider so if you can get the info bang on it will help many people.
edit - did more research and I'm very confident the Rogers Moto X supports LTE bands 2,4,5,17 - the same as AT&T's XT-1058 as the FCC ID on the Rogers phone is the same as AT&T and Motorola's own test reports list LTE bands 2,4,5, and 17.
edit #2 - I looked up the Canadian certification, there is no 2600 mhz in the Moto X.

Just talked to Rogers customer service. Here is their answer
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That is great that Rogers thinks its a 2600mhz device, but it isn't. The iFixit tear down found no 2600 mhz hardware, the Industry Canada certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz and the FCC certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz.
So no matter what Rogers says, there isn't 2600 mhz support in the XT-1058.
The only way its possible is if Motorola put different hardware into a phone with the same XT-1058 model number(not gonna happen) and if they didn't bother to tell Industry Canada or the FCC that it was present, in which case they will be a in a lot of trouble very soon.

Steve-x said:
That is great that Rogers thinks its a 2600mhz device, but it isn't. The iFixit tear down found no 2600 mhz hardware, the Industry Canada certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz and the FCC certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz.
So no matter what Rogers says, there isn't 2600 mhz support in the XT-1058.
The only way its possible is if Motorola put different hardware into a phone with the same XT-1058 model number(not gonna happen) and if they didn't bother to tell Industry Canada or the FCC that it was present, in which case they will be a in a lot of trouble very soon.
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I dont know why Moto make so hard to find the LTE bands Moto X supports. But I have a XT1058 that I bought in Brazil and use in LTE band 7 (2600 mhz) . This same model is for sale in Claro Chile that uses LTE band 7 also. My phone is assembled in Brazil but it has FCC ID IHDT56PA1 Type M0DD7.I don't believe Moto uses a different hardware with the same model name.

The model info is available on the Wikipedia Moto X page. It clearly states which model is capable of which frequency/band there.

rds_sp,
Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?

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rds_sp,
Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?
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OK, I finally found information from the FCC that confirms the XT1058 does in fact have 2600 Mhz Band 7 LTE. However it is not approved for use in the US. The normal AT&T firmware has the band disabled, however someone has confirmed that the AT&T 4.4 leak has it enabled(Likely an error).
The Rogers XT1058 should have band 7 enabled in firmware however LTE band 17 is disabled.(700 mhz)
The IC (Industry Canada) certification is all messed up and doesn't indicate the proper bands the phone supports.

One correction...I don't think Sprint has a 32GB version.

Steve-x said:
OK, I finally found information from the FCC that confirms the XT1058 does in fact have 2600 Mhz Band 7 LTE. However it is not approved for use in the US. The normal AT&T firmware has the band disabled, however someone has confirmed that the AT&T 4.4 leak has it enabled(Likely an error).
The Rogers XT1058 should have band 7 enabled in firmware however LTE band 17 is disabled.(700 mhz)
The IC (Industry Canada) certification is all messed up and doesn't indicate the proper bands the phone supports.
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Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?

TITANote2LTE said:
Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?
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Telus does not have any band 7 LTE, however they do have band 4 LTE (AWS band) and it works great with a Rogers/Fido Moto X that has been unlocked(8 bucks). I have two in front me to prove it works!

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Telus does not have any band 7 LTE, however they do have band 4 LTE (AWS band) and it works great with a Rogers/Fido Moto X that has been unlocked(8 bucks). I have two in front me to prove it works!
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Excellent! thanks for the quick reply and pretty much sums that up. Unlocking is $8 for me as well ha. Was just making sure LTE would still work on Telus. Thanks again

TITANote2LTE said:
Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?
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I understand that rogers has band 4, 7 & 10 for LTE, I'm running the at&t 4.4 firmware on my rogers moto. I'll confirm if I do receive LTE with speed test
Confirmed LTE works download speed 58 MB/s.
As for telus, I can't tell but I do see chatr as available under mobile networks same for bell and telus
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Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?
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I'm pretty sure the T-Mobile X is Sim unlockable
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VZW XT1060 is bands 4/13 not just 13. Basically it works on VZW LTE and T-Mobile and AT&T as well.
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VZW XT1060 is bands 4/13 not just 13. Basically it works on VZW LTE and T-Mobile and AT&T as well.
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I believe the Verizon Moto X can support band 4 but needs a software update to enable it. Has anyone tried putting a T-Mobile SIM in their Verizon X to see?
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landale said:
I believe the Verizon Moto X can support band 4 but needs a software update to enable it. Has anyone tried putting a T-Mobile SIM in their Verizon X to see?
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Yes
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HTC M9+ on VZW 700 band LTE

Hey team, surely we can figure this out. I have an M8, rooted on VZW in the USA. I am going to buy an M9+ on amazon purely for fun. On PhoneArena, it specifies that it does recieve 700 band LTE, VZW's main LTE band. VZW owns the 700MHz Upper Block C (band 13) so I believe it will be compatible, just not with XLTE, which uses band 4 (1700MHz). Just looking for someone selling one or any tricks thanks!

Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.

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Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.
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Thanks! That's a great point as well. My speculation is that the VoLTE for Verizon, which utilizes the 700 band. So maybe VoLTE would still work. I'm sure an M9/M8 Sense 7 rom port could work.. Verizon also is CDMA dominant but supports international GSM. So my dinners are crossed. Comments? Questions?
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http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
4G LTE:
FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,28
TDD: Bands 38, 39, 40, 41
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Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.

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http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.
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Of course, just wish there was a way to swap antennae/get a NA M9+ lol
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.

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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands are they.
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Oh really? F*ckin juicy.. Sane thing, my Nexus is unlocked and finds T-Mo, Sprint and VZW, no AT&T. So will it work?! (in theory)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
It's sad i can't find the following directory in my M9+.
/sys/devices/virtual/android_usb/android0/f_diag
Maybe somebody have the enough knowledge to help dig the bands in MTK SoC.

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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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I have used the M9+ in DC on the Cricket network and I only get 3G. I think there are ways by which bands can be unlocked. I remember having a similar thing back when I was using the One X.
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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Band 4 AWS

stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area..
Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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Band 4 AWS
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By TW do you mean Taiwanese? I am assured this is an authentic Taiwanese HTC, I was checking on the Uh Oh Protection. Is the band 4 AWS correct? Is that the part of the 700 band that is shared by most LTE networks?
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Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just selling my M8 for ~$450.
denver.craigslist.org/mob/5174687185.html
Just bought this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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Band 4 AWS is 1700/2100 not 700MHz.

droidBOOST said:
Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just sold my M8 for ~$470.
Just bough this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.

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I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.
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AWS should work. I route most my calling over Wi-Fi/data anyways. If calling doesn't work, I am going to use the Project Fi sim from my Nexus 6. I'm on Wi-Fi literally almost everywhere. I wonder if anyone has thought of flashing the M9 dialer over to the M9+. I've edited my scripts and got VoLTE to work for my HTC M8 with something similar. Any dev suggestions?
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Update
Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
My VZW should allow you to connect to Verizon.. haha just the phone.
Will update with more info upon Fi-ing/root.
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Update
Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
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Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.

stephenju said:
Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.
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Its a Verizon sim out of my M8, currently active. I think it works on the LTE so it picks up the 4G network, but without the CDMA backbone it wont connect. Says it will work on any GSM network in the US, maybe flip it here in the states instead of selling it. Any root suggestions?
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