The attached table summarizes the specs of different models. I think this should be sticky
amarguli said:
The attached table summarizes the specs of different models. I think this should be sticky
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Thank you for the summary. I was trying to find a clear answer on this all over and this is the only place ive seen it sumarized. Im looking to get a moto x for tmobile, but I wanted to make sure that it had 1700 HSDPA. It seems only the dev model and the t mobile version do.
Thanks for posting this. I am quite sure the Rogers version supports the exact same LTE bands as AT&T. I know for certain it supports band 4 as that is what I'm using mine with.
I found this info in Rogers website. Is it a mistake?
amarguli said:
I found this info in Rogers website. Is it a mistake?
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I don't think its a mistake, its just that Rogers only lists the bands they actually use, not the bands the phone supports. I'm surprised they claim LTE band 7. While Rogers uses it the FCC data for the phone doesn't list any approval for band 7 that I can find.(yes Rogers is in Canada but our approvals generally follow the FCC info)
I figure that the way Motorola differentiates between the bands supported would be the model number, such as XT-1058.
This is why your table is so valuable, the info is very hard to find. I'm not using my Rogers Moto X with Rogers, just like many others want to buy a Moto X for another provider so if you can get the info bang on it will help many people.
edit - did more research and I'm very confident the Rogers Moto X supports LTE bands 2,4,5,17 - the same as AT&T's XT-1058 as the FCC ID on the Rogers phone is the same as AT&T and Motorola's own test reports list LTE bands 2,4,5, and 17.
edit #2 - I looked up the Canadian certification, there is no 2600 mhz in the Moto X.
Just talked to Rogers customer service. Here is their answer
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Just talked to Rogers customer service. Here is their answer
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That is great that Rogers thinks its a 2600mhz device, but it isn't. The iFixit tear down found no 2600 mhz hardware, the Industry Canada certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz and the FCC certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz.
So no matter what Rogers says, there isn't 2600 mhz support in the XT-1058.
The only way its possible is if Motorola put different hardware into a phone with the same XT-1058 model number(not gonna happen) and if they didn't bother to tell Industry Canada or the FCC that it was present, in which case they will be a in a lot of trouble very soon.
Steve-x said:
That is great that Rogers thinks its a 2600mhz device, but it isn't. The iFixit tear down found no 2600 mhz hardware, the Industry Canada certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz and the FCC certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz.
So no matter what Rogers says, there isn't 2600 mhz support in the XT-1058.
The only way its possible is if Motorola put different hardware into a phone with the same XT-1058 model number(not gonna happen) and if they didn't bother to tell Industry Canada or the FCC that it was present, in which case they will be a in a lot of trouble very soon.
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I dont know why Moto make so hard to find the LTE bands Moto X supports. But I have a XT1058 that I bought in Brazil and use in LTE band 7 (2600 mhz) . This same model is for sale in Claro Chile that uses LTE band 7 also. My phone is assembled in Brazil but it has FCC ID IHDT56PA1 Type M0DD7.I don't believe Moto uses a different hardware with the same model name.
The model info is available on the Wikipedia Moto X page. It clearly states which model is capable of which frequency/band there.
rds_sp,
Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?
amarguli said:
rds_sp,
Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?
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OK, I finally found information from the FCC that confirms the XT1058 does in fact have 2600 Mhz Band 7 LTE. However it is not approved for use in the US. The normal AT&T firmware has the band disabled, however someone has confirmed that the AT&T 4.4 leak has it enabled(Likely an error).
The Rogers XT1058 should have band 7 enabled in firmware however LTE band 17 is disabled.(700 mhz)
The IC (Industry Canada) certification is all messed up and doesn't indicate the proper bands the phone supports.
One correction...I don't think Sprint has a 32GB version.
Steve-x said:
OK, I finally found information from the FCC that confirms the XT1058 does in fact have 2600 Mhz Band 7 LTE. However it is not approved for use in the US. The normal AT&T firmware has the band disabled, however someone has confirmed that the AT&T 4.4 leak has it enabled(Likely an error).
The Rogers XT1058 should have band 7 enabled in firmware however LTE band 17 is disabled.(700 mhz)
The IC (Industry Canada) certification is all messed up and doesn't indicate the proper bands the phone supports.
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Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?
TITANote2LTE said:
Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?
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Telus does not have any band 7 LTE, however they do have band 4 LTE (AWS band) and it works great with a Rogers/Fido Moto X that has been unlocked(8 bucks). I have two in front me to prove it works!
Steve-x said:
Telus does not have any band 7 LTE, however they do have band 4 LTE (AWS band) and it works great with a Rogers/Fido Moto X that has been unlocked(8 bucks). I have two in front me to prove it works!
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Excellent! thanks for the quick reply and pretty much sums that up. Unlocking is $8 for me as well ha. Was just making sure LTE would still work on Telus. Thanks again
TITANote2LTE said:
Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?
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I understand that rogers has band 4, 7 & 10 for LTE, I'm running the at&t 4.4 firmware on my rogers moto. I'll confirm if I do receive LTE with speed test
Confirmed LTE works download speed 58 MB/s.
As for telus, I can't tell but I do see chatr as available under mobile networks same for bell and telus
Sent on my Moto X
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Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?
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I'm pretty sure the T-Mobile X is Sim unlockable
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VZW XT1060 is bands 4/13 not just 13. Basically it works on VZW LTE and T-Mobile and AT&T as well.
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VZW XT1060 is bands 4/13 not just 13. Basically it works on VZW LTE and T-Mobile and AT&T as well.
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I believe the Verizon Moto X can support band 4 but needs a software update to enable it. Has anyone tried putting a T-Mobile SIM in their Verizon X to see?
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landale said:
I believe the Verizon Moto X can support band 4 but needs a software update to enable it. Has anyone tried putting a T-Mobile SIM in their Verizon X to see?
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Yes
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Related
I'm curious how many hardware variations of the Defy exist with distinct FCC ID numbers. This would be a good complementary thread to the one with all the different 3G fix files.
So please state 1) the carrier you bought your phone from (or if not a carrier, the site you bought it from), 2) the network you use it on (if not the same) and its 3G frequencies, 3) The FCC ID number behind the battery of your phone. If there is no FCC ID, then any other numbers you can find.
If your phone has the same info as another already posted here, no need to re-post.
I don't own a Defy but let's start with the info stated here:
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2965
1) T-Mobile USA, 2) N/A, AWS 3G, 3) IHDP56LC3
I have also found FCC reports of the following variations:
IHDP56LC1: WCDMA 850/1900
IHDP56LC2
IHDP56LC4
(not sure which bands on the latter two, had trouble finding the right testing docs)
1) eBay (T-Mobile USA branded)
2) AT&T (850/1900Mhz)
3) IHDP56LC3
IHDP56LC2: WCDMA 850/2100 (FCC website, Exhibit 11 RF Exposure Info)
IHDP56LC4: WCDMA 900/2100 (same above)
krazyazy said:
1) eBay (T-Mobile USA branded)
2) AT&T (850/1900Mhz)
3) IHDP56LC3
IHDP56LC2: WCDMA 850/2100 (FCC website, Exhibit 11 RF Exposure Info)
IHDP56LC4: WCDMA 900/2100 (same above)
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Aha, good to know.
If the T-Mobile USA version (IHDP56LC3) has 850/1700/2100, it seems odd they'd have (presumably for Telstra) a hardware variant which is the same minus 1700 (IHDP56LC2). I wonder if this is genuinely different hardware or if they just fail to list the AWS band in the FCC tests?
1. Telstra
2. Telstra Next-G
3. FCC ID: IHDP56LC2
cmstlist said:
Aha, good to know.
If the T-Mobile USA version (IHDP56LC3) has 850/1700/2100, it seems odd they'd have (presumably for Telstra) a hardware variant which is the same minus 1700 (IHDP56LC2). I wonder if this is genuinely different hardware or if they just fail to list the AWS band in the FCC tests?
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Agreed, it's seems odd that they would have 2 different hardware variants with the difference being only AWS. Guess the only way to test would be to have someone with a IHDP56LC2 Defy flash the USA fix and come over to the US to test.
This would all be easier if manufacturers started using the penta-band chips like in the Nokia N8.
Well, I have seen (on this forum?) pics of the US Defy running 3G on AT&T using the 850. If true, and the 2100 works in Europe (it does, BTW) then anyone would be seemingly better off with the US version.
Oh, here it is: http://androidforums.com/t/217819-t-mo-motorola-defy-working-t-3g-850-band-only.html
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Well, I have seen (on this forum?) pics of the US Defy running 3G on AT&T using the 850. If true, and the 2100 works in Europe (it does, BTW) then anyone would be seemingly better off with the US version.
Oh, here it is: http://androidforums.com/t/217819-t-mo-motorola-defy-working-t-3g-850-band-only.html
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Well, *anyone* but:
- Customers on global carriers who require the 900 MHz band for good 3G coverage
- Customers on any carrier that has significant 1900-only 3G areas
Which leads to a question - can anyone here confirm they live in or have occasion to visit an area where AT&T's 3G coverage is only 1900 MHz, and no 850? You can verify this by bringing your Defy as well as a phone that does have 850/1900 3G, and seeing if you get 3G on the other but not the Defy.
If you can set up this kind of situation - take a nandroid backup of your firmware, and then try applying the "3G fix" for 850/1900. Is your phone now able to get 3G on 1900? If yes, then the bands are entirely software-controlled; if no, it's the hardware.
Or to the Australians out there with a Telstra Defy - do you have access to an Optus SIM card? Can you test out the Defy in a 900 MHz-only Optus coverage area, and then try flashing the "3G fix" for 900/2100... is your phone now able to get 3G on 900?
1) Bought from T-Mobile Direct (UK)
2) Network: T-Mobile (UK)
3) FCC: IHDP56LC4
All,
I live in Madagascar, after flashing US 3G fix, i've got 3g at home now. Before fix, in rom 3. 4. 3-11, i always don't have at home. But, oh yes there's but, the network signal is very poor. And i've lost it many times.
My Fcc id HDP56LC4.
Now i'm in 900-2100 fix and everything is right but in Edge lol 2G.
My carrier is Telma, 900 for Gsm and 2100 for 3g+ (Hspda). I've signal and 3g+ connection when i leave home for office, in the city.
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Hello I have purchased a Motorola Defy from e-bay off of kick mobiles in the UK it was already unlocked the FCC ID is :IHDP56LC4 900/2100(2.2.2) and I had it shipped to Canada..... much to my dismay it does not work on our basebands here..well it does on GSM 2G...anyway I found a Canadian one from Telus so i bought that one too and it's FCC ID is :IHDP56LC1 850/1900(2.2.1) hope this helps
I'm confused. When I go to the phonescoop page and click on the different FCC IDs IHDP56LCX where X is 1-4 the only one that is different is 3 where it has the 1700 band in addition to the 850/1900/2400?
I'm looking for a phone with hardware to support 850/1900 3g. can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
If you want the one with 850/1900 3G, it's the one sold by Telus Canada, or in certain Latin American countries.
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Thanks for the reply!
It seems really tough to pick up a defy with specific hardware because a lot of phones on ebay anyway are tmobile which apparently is 850/1700/2100 and could work with att but will not have the 1900 band or mb525 which is the international version which doesn't work with att?
For IHDP56LC2, seems to be almost all in one:
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Thanks for the necromove
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I have a IHDP56LC4:
1. Bought from Germanos Romania (Cosmote - OTE owened)
2. Used with Vodafone (900, 2100 MHz)
3. FCC ID: IHDP56LC4
I have one Defy+ and the FCC ID is For IHDP56LC2, i switched basebands and i can connect to 850/AWS 3G bands, i'm looking for a compatible 1900mhz radio and baseband, i tried to change baseband but defy stays in Only Emergency calls.
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I have one Defy+ and the FCC ID is For IHDP56LC2, i switched basebands and i can connect to 850/AWS 3G bands, i'm looking for a compatible 1900mhz radio and baseband, i tried to change baseband but defy stays in Only Emergency calls.
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The ONLY reason for the baseband switcher is to fix firmware files that are meant for the wrong variant. The ONLY baseband you need is the one intended for your hardware. Nothing else will give you better results. The hardware cannot under any circumstances connect to bands it's not compatible with.
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Oneplus One - North America
Please feel free to share issues, questions and offer help. Noob questions are welcomed.
It is always best to thank an answer instead of posting "Thank you".
Please keep discussion focused, on questions pertaining to the Oneplus One
Attention : CDMA networks are not supported.
USA providers and frequencies
AT&T: GSM+LTE, 2G/3G: 850MHz & 1900MHz, 4G: 700MHz, 1700MHz/2100MHz
T-Mobile: GSM+LTE, 2G/3G: 1900MHz, 1700MHz/2100MHz. 4G: 1700MHz/2100MHz
Metro PCS: GSM+CDMA+LTE, 2G/3G: 1700MHz/2100MHz, 1900MHz. 4G: 1700MHz/2100MHz
Attention : CDMA networks are not supported.
Canadian providers and frequencies
Rogers GSM 850/1900, HSPA 850/1900, LTE Band 4 (AWS), Band 7 (2600)
Bell HSPA 850/1900, LTE Band 4 (AWS), Band 7 (2600)
Telus HSPA 850/1900, LTE Band 4 (AWS)
Virgin HSPA 850/1900, LTE Band 4 (AWS)
Koodo HSPA 850/1900, LTE Band 4 (AWS)
Wind HSPA (AWS or 1700/2100MHz)
Mobilicity HSPA (AWS or 1700/2100MHz)
Source @klvnhng , @force70
Attention : CDMA networks are not supported.
Spec sheet directly from Oneplus.net
BASIC PARAMETERS
Color Silk White/Sandstone Black
Dimensions 152.9 x 75.9 x 8.9 mm
Weight 5.71 ounces (162 g)
Operating System CyanogenMod 11S based on Android 4.4
CPU Qualcomm© Snapdragon™ 801 processor with 2.5GHz Quad-core CPUs
GPU Adreno 330, 578MHz
RAM 3 GB LP-DDR3, 1866MHz
Storage 16/64 GB eMMC 5.0, available capacity varies
Sensors Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Proximity and Ambient Light
Battery Embedded rechargeable 3100 mAh LiPo battery
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CONNECTIVITY
Connectivity
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE: Bands: 1/3/4/7/17/38/40
Wi-Fi Dual-band Wi-Fi (2.4G/5G) 802.11 b/g/n/ac
Bluetooth Bluetooth 4.0
NFC 65T (software card emulation, payment methods and multi-tag support)
Positioning Internal GPS antenna + GLONASS
Digital Compass
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DISPLAY
Size 5.5 inch JDI
Resolution 1080p Full HD (1920 x 1080 pixels), 401 PPI
Type LTPS IPS with TOL
Protection Corning© Gorilla© Glass 3
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CAMERAS
Sensor 13 Megapixel - Sony Exmor IMX 214
Lenses 6 lenses to avoid distortion and color aberration
Flash Dual-LED
Aperture f/2.0
Front Camera 5 Megapixel - Distortion free
Video 4K resolution video with stereo recording Slow Motion: 720p video at 120fps
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PORTS, SLOTS, BUTTONS AND INDICATORS
Ports Data & Charging: Micro USB 2.0
Audio: Jack 3.5mm
Buttons Power Button
Volume Rockers
Capacitive / On-screen buttons
SIM 1 slot - Micro SIM
Indicators 1 LED notification light (multicolored)
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AUDIO
Speakers Built-in Stereo Speakers
Microphones Tri-microphone with noise cancellation
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MULTIMEDIA
Audio supported
formats Playback: MP3, AAC, AMR, OGG, M4A, MID, WMA, FLAC, APE, AAC, WAV
Recording: AAC, M4A
Video supported
formats Playback: MP4, H.263, H.264, RMVB, FLV720P
Recording: MP4
Image supported
formats Playback: JPEG, PNG, GIF, BMP
Output: JPEG, RAW
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Articles
OnePlus One hands-on Preview - CNET
Spec Sheet: OnePlus' One smartphone shows what hardware startups are capable of - The Verge
OnePlus One vs. Nexus 5 - GizMag
OnePlus launches the One, priced at a Nexus-baiting $300 - Digital Trends
OnePlus One hands-on: first look at the $299 “flagship killer” - Android Authority
Videos
Source : Android Authority
Source : Android Authority
Source : MKBHD
Source : Geek.com
Pictures
Feel free to incorporate this into other country threads if you want. Just give me credit for the template. Thanks!
P.S Don't be the one asking if a CDMA network is supported.
FuMMoD said:
Hey guys seeing as this is a world phone let's try to separate all the chatter up. Let's discuss what carriers you're on and how your experiences are like. I for one will be on T-Mobile and taking advantage of all the LTE frequencies.
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Lucky you... as I'm from Germany, I can't take advantage of all the LTE frequencies because of the lack of support for the 800 Mhz band. Anyway, great to see another RC here!
dansou901 said:
Lucky you... as I'm from Germany, I can't take advantage of all the LTE frequencies because of the lack of support for the 800 Mhz band. Anyway, great to see another RC here!
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I'm excited to be on these boards . What I meant by all was all the ones T-Mobile provides lol. Glad for the friendly welcome, thanks!
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I took over a AT&T unlimited data account today so that I could use this phone. (And other unlocked phones that VZW keeps me from).
Hopefully it doesn't take too long to get an invite or able to buy online without one.
:good:
So any idea how the Oneplus One is going to fare on T-Mobile's new LTE rollouts?
T-Mobile for me too, game on!!!
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wrsmega said:
So any idea how the Oneplus One is going to fare on T-Mobile's new LTE rollouts?
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It supports all of T-Mobile's current LTE frequencies and the new one is 700mhz we're getting from Verizon. I'm not sure if the OpO supports it.
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FuMMoD said:
It supports all of T-Mobile's current LTE frequencies and the new one is 700mhz we're getting from Verizon. I'm not sure if the OpO supports it.
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I would say no... as they also don't support the 800 Mhz band...
Im on fido
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Very happy that band 4 is supported. I'll be using mine on wind! (essentially Canadian T-Mobile, minus LTE
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Here is a teardown of the device by a chinese company.
http://forums.oneplus.net/threads/ifixit-oneplusone.5351/
ajent said:
I took over a AT&T unlimited data account today so that I could use this phone. (And other unlocked phones that VZW keeps me from).
Hopefully it doesn't take too long to get an invite or able to buy online without one.
:good:
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how did you take over a unlimited account, I'd love to be able to get my hands on one lol
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ohcie_evo said:
how did you take over a unlimited account, I'd love to be able to get my hands on one lol
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Over on howardforums they have a "take over my plan" section. Pretty frequently there people buy and sell unlimited Verizon and AT&T plans.
I paid the owner $250 for his unlimited AT&T plan.
Goodluck :good:
I'm really excited for this, but I'm curious as to how it will work on T-mobile HSPA. I live in an area that only gets 3G, but I'm mainly worried about the phone losing call signal. It seems to have the same frequencies as the Nexus 5, which I have and works fine for me. I should be okay, right?
Am I mistaken in reading that this phone will be carrier unlocked, as well as working on(w)CDMA?So all of sprints radio bands will work correctly.
habitformer said:
Am I mistaken in reading that this phone will be carrier unlocked, as well as working on(w)CDMA?So all of sprints radio bands will work correctly.
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It is carrier unlocked. WCDMA does not mean (w)CDMA it is WCDMA a completely different frequency. Verizon and sprint are not supported because they are CDMA. This phone does not support CDMA.
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FuMMoD said:
It is carrier unlocked. WCDMA does not mean (w)CDMA it is WCDMA a completely different frequency. Verizon and sprint are not supported because they are CDMA. This phone does not support CDMA.
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People always get confused with the wcdma and they think sprint and Verizon support
People dump your useless CDMA carriers and jump to gsm carrier. Have the freedom to get your own phone instead of the useless cdma carriers dictating what phones they carry.
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wcmda is another name for umts, which is the 3g version of gsm. verizon whitelists imeis anyways. even though the nexus 5 has full band compatibility with verizon, they dont let you use it on their network. you have to use a verizon branded phone.
I'm wondering if Amazon will be able to sell the Oneplus One. It might get cheaper with gift cards .
I'm also wondering if things don't work out, we may get replacements from Amazon instead of sending or phones to China or HK?
adibeckett said:
I'm wondering if Amazon will be able to sell the Oneplus One. It might get cheaper with gift cards .
I'm also wondering if things don't work out, we may get replacements from Amazon instead of sending or phones to China or HK?
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They're not because it cost more to sell truth Amazon. This is why they didn't use amazon in the first place as international distribution.
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Hi ive just Won this device on Ebay,
I live in Denmark(Europe)
Clean ESN do any of you know what it means?
Also isn´t this an global device? Talked to Motorola support and they couldn´t promise me that it would work in Europa as it was Verizon only device?'
To me it sounds like BS
But now i worry if it can be used in my network
Thnx all
SuperBilleN said:
Hi ive just Won this device on Ebay,
I live in Denmark(Europe)
Clean ESN do any of you know what it means?
Also isn´t this an global device? Talked to Motorola support and they couldn´t promise me that it would work in Europa as it was Verizon only device?'
To me it sounds like BS
But now i worry if it can be used in my network
Thnx all
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Cleasn ESN: The jist of it, is it not blacklisted on Verizon, It can be activated, in other words.
It is a Verizon exclusive unlocked global device (which technically isnt true anymore due to Moto Maxx). It will work as long as it supports your carrier's frequencies.
SuperBilleN said:
Hi ive just Won this device on Ebay,
I live in Denmark(Europe)
Clean ESN do any of you know what it means?
Also isn´t this an global device? Talked to Motorola support and they couldn´t promise me that it would work in Europa as it was Verizon only device?'
To me it sounds like BS
But now i worry if it can be used in my network
Thnx all
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You understand that Europa is one of Jupiters moon's, right?
thegrants82 said:
You understand that Europa is one of Jupiters moon's, right?
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It'll work there too as long as Europa carriers are transmitting on LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
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2G bands
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
CDMA 800 / 1900
3G bands
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO
4G
LTE: 700 / 1700 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600 (Bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13)
Code name for Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx is QUARK -- so of course it was made for space travel.
Actually, Moto Maxx is GSM only and has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 17.
Droid Turbo is GSM/CDMA with LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
thegrants82 said:
You understand that Europa is one of Jupiters moon's, right?
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How is this relevant? LOL
Anyways clean ESN means is safe to activate on any compatible network because the first buyer did not default on his contract. I think this would only affect it if you were to activate it on Verizon (USA) not sure tho.
MauricioBR said:
Actually, Moto Maxx is GSM only and has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 17.
Droid Turbo is GSM/CDMA with LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
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He said he won the Droid Turbo. I gave the specs for the Droid Turbo. So, I'm not sure what you are correcting.
But if you want to talk Moto Maxx, I'll correct you. The Moto Maxx (XT1225) has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- in spite of what Motorola lists on the "official" specs. I know because the NV bands show it. I own two Moto Maxx phones.
The phone with the Moto Maxx FCC ID went through FCC testing with LTE band 5, and Motorola never disabled it. They added LTE band 3 to sell in Latin America. They do not list LTE band 5, but when you root and scan with QPST and QXDM sofware you see it's there.
FCC Documents. Note the FCC ID.
Same FCC ID:
Discussed extensively in another thread. Present on both the Puerto Rico and Mexico Moto Maxx phones. Since the same FCC ID number is also listed on Brazil Moto Maxx, it's all Moto Maxx phones.
Using the NV bands calculator, the sum for LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 17 should be 65,614. But we have 65, 630. The only combination that gives you 65, 630 is LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- which makes sense since LTE band 5 was enabled when it was tested by the FCC.
It's still there, ready to be used. Jut not admitted by Motorola since LTE band 5 is not used in Latin America. To make the phone be the Moto Maxx (XT12225 )for Latin America, Motorola added LTE band 3, added two more GSM bands -- but never disabled LTE band 5.
Even in the equivalence letter, Motorola never stated all the LTE bands the FCC found:
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I'm not exactly familiar with LTE bands and such, but does that mean that the Moto Maxx will work with CDMA networks such as Verizon, too?
Sometimes I think its a good idea to make separate threads for these 2 devices. I would really help avoid these confusions.
Sent from a DROID.
ChazzMatt said:
He said he won the Droid Turbo. I gave the specs for the Droid Turbo. So, I'm not sure what you are correcting.
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Hahah, sorry. My comment was more towards @adrynalyne who had said it wasn't true anymore that it's a verizon exclusive.
My understanding is that the modem is still different, as not all bands are mentioned on the declaration of equivalence.
Hey team, surely we can figure this out. I have an M8, rooted on VZW in the USA. I am going to buy an M9+ on amazon purely for fun. On PhoneArena, it specifies that it does recieve 700 band LTE, VZW's main LTE band. VZW owns the 700MHz Upper Block C (band 13) so I believe it will be compatible, just not with XLTE, which uses band 4 (1700MHz). Just looking for someone selling one or any tricks thanks!
Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.
omar302 said:
Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.
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Thanks! That's a great point as well. My speculation is that the VoLTE for Verizon, which utilizes the 700 band. So maybe VoLTE would still work. I'm sure an M9/M8 Sense 7 rom port could work.. Verizon also is CDMA dominant but supports international GSM. So my dinners are crossed. Comments? Questions?
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http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
4G LTE:
FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,28
TDD: Bands 38, 39, 40, 41
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Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.
stephenju said:
http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.
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Of course, just wish there was a way to swap antennae/get a NA M9+ lol
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands are they.
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Oh really? F*ckin juicy.. Sane thing, my Nexus is unlocked and finds T-Mo, Sprint and VZW, no AT&T. So will it work?! (in theory)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
It's sad i can't find the following directory in my M9+.
/sys/devices/virtual/android_usb/android0/f_diag
Maybe somebody have the enough knowledge to help dig the bands in MTK SoC.
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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I have used the M9+ in DC on the Cricket network and I only get 3G. I think there are ways by which bands can be unlocked. I remember having a similar thing back when I was using the One X.
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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Band 4 AWS
stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area..
Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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Band 4 AWS
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By TW do you mean Taiwanese? I am assured this is an authentic Taiwanese HTC, I was checking on the Uh Oh Protection. Is the band 4 AWS correct? Is that the part of the 700 band that is shared by most LTE networks?
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Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just selling my M8 for ~$450.
denver.craigslist.org/mob/5174687185.html
Just bought this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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Band 4 AWS is 1700/2100 not 700MHz.
droidBOOST said:
Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just sold my M8 for ~$470.
Just bough this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.
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I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.
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AWS should work. I route most my calling over Wi-Fi/data anyways. If calling doesn't work, I am going to use the Project Fi sim from my Nexus 6. I'm on Wi-Fi literally almost everywhere. I wonder if anyone has thought of flashing the M9 dialer over to the M9+. I've edited my scripts and got VoLTE to work for my HTC M8 with something similar. Any dev suggestions?
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Update
Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
My VZW should allow you to connect to Verizon.. haha just the phone.
Will update with more info upon Fi-ing/root.
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Update
Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
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Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.
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Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.
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Its a Verizon sim out of my M8, currently active. I think it works on the LTE so it picks up the 4G network, but without the CDMA backbone it wont connect. Says it will work on any GSM network in the US, maybe flip it here in the states instead of selling it. Any root suggestions?
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So i'm probably about to pull the trigger on this phone because i'm sure it'll work fine on T-mobile, but upon researching, it looks like we could be missing LTE band 66.
"When it comes to T-Mobile, we’re focused on the LTE bands 2, 4, 12, and 66, the last of which is a newer band that T-Mo will be using for LTE coverage."
http://www.tmonews.com/2017/03/samsung-galaxy-s8-hits-fcc-support-lte-band-66/
As for international G950F, these sites cite bands 2, 4, & 12.. but no 66. Considering 2, 4, & 12 handle most of the coverage and that 66 is a newer band I don't think this is an issue at all. Besides my pixel has the same bands, sans 66 and I have great coverage.
https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/AabYB/samsung-sm-g950f-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream
http://www.willmydevicework.com/device/samsung-sm-g950f-galaxy-s8-td-lte
I know the international S7 worked fine here in the US, but I had ATT back then. If anyone else has a G950F on Tmobile here in the US, please posts results so we can establish a consensus that LTE coverage is not an issue.
The F model supports band 66 according to the FCC filing . The sites you are using are not accurate.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292120
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The F model supports band 66 according to the FCC filing . The sites you are using are not accurate.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292120
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Does this go the same for the FD model?
clubtech said:
The F model supports band 66 according to the FCC filing . The sites you are using are not accurate.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292120
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I'm still unclear as to whether or not the FCC model "G950U" is the G950F or a US carrier version, but i have read several references to the FCC model being "unlocked", so maybe it is.
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Does this go the same for the FD model?
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FD model supports the same bands as the F model.
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I'm still unclear as to whether or not the FCC model "G950U" is the G950F or a US carrier version, but i have read several references to the FCC model being "unlocked", so maybe it is.
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The U and F models are two different models.
The F/FD are international unlocked version.
The U model is the US model (locked or unlocked) and has a different FCC certification.
It also support mode LTE bands and carrier aggregation options for the US.
Not sure in F supports WiFi calling...
Does the US model support all US Carrier frequency bands? I'm curious because once I'm done paying my phone off on sprint I would like to unlock it and bring it to t-mobile. I also ask because I read that the US version of the S8 are the same no matter the carrier....
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Does the US model support all US Carrier frequency bands? I'm curious because once I'm done paying my phone off on sprint I would like to unlock it and bring it to t-mobile. I also ask because I read that the US version of the S8 are the same no matter the carrier....
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Not sure about that. Sprint is CDMA and T-mobile is GSM. Typically not compatible.
clubtech said:
The U and F models are two different models.
The F/FD are international unlocked version.
The U model is the US model (locked or unlocked) and has a different FCC certification.
It also support mode LTE bands and carrier aggregation options for the US.
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Well i'd figure any model made for the US market would have 66.. The international G950F was the one in question. And it looks like I answered my question with a little more digging. This test report from the FCC for the G950F confirms band 66 along with, from what I can see every necessary LTE band for both ATT and Tmobile. See "4.6 EUT Description" https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292314 It also references some CDMA bands so maybe you can switch from Sprint to GSM carrier.. idk.
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Not sure about that. Sprint is CDMA and T-mobile is GSM. Typically not compatible.
Well i'd figure any model made for the US market would have 66.. The international G950F was the one in question. And it looks like I answered my question with a little more digging. This test report from the FCC for the G950F confirms band 66 along with, from what I can see every necessary LTE band for both ATT and Tmobile. See "4.6 EUT Description" https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3292314 It also references some CDMA bands so maybe you can switch from Sprint to GSM carrier.. idk.
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I too did some digging in regards to band 66 support on the international model. The phone doesn't directly support the band from my understanding but has the hardware to interact with band 66 frequencies. This in returns grants band 66 compatibility at band 42 or similar. This is just my interpretation and could be wrong but best I've come up with thus far.
edit: To help backup my claim: http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php
Band 66 utilizes the 2100Mhz spectrum and according to a T-mobile rep:
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955FD has band 66- BUT
The 955 FD (presume also 955F and 950FD and 950FD) has band 66. Tested on Freedommobile (Wind) Canada
BUT
If it takes a phone call it drops to wcdma band 4, and does not return to band 66 LTE.
I must toggle LTE/WCDMA/GSM to WCDMA/GSM and back to LTE/WCDMA/GSM to get band 66 LTE working again,
Your argument as to this is the fault of Freedomobile or Samsung. Some other phones but not 95xFx have had a firmware fix here on XDA.
Could a utility be written to do this?
If someone can solve this I might even root my S8+ 955FD!