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[VIDEO] We've been baking something... Something sweet.

Has anyone seen this video yet? It's posted by androiddevelopers,it looks like google headquarters,and they're putting up a gingerbread man. I think 2.3 is coming... SOON.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vskBjYc745g&feature=player_profilepage

w00t, getting closer

Yeeeeeuh. Hope it isn't just another hype.

If true, then we are more than ready for it!

wdfowty said:
Yeeeeeuh. Hope it isn't just another hype.
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Same here,I just hope it doesn't look like MiUi. I know a lot of people like it,but if I wanted an iPhone,I would have an iPhone,not a Nexus.

yay!
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msnuser111 said:
Same here,I just hope it doesn't look like MiUi. I know a lot of people like it,but if I wanted an iPhone,I would have an iPhone,not a Nexus.
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Man you don't understand miui then. The general standpoint on a design for an icon is universal. Just because the iPhone used the format first doesn't make it there's. Android is all about open and customization without too much work. IPhone doesn't offer widgets or ease of notifications. Android does. Just because miui looks like the iPhone doesn't mean it is. Miui is heavily based on backend mods. Stiff if implemented right can be a lot better than anything. I'm on miui right now and I love it. Sure its a little different but its functional for a heavy user if configured right with good placement of widgets and folders and icons.
Next time you hate on something... just don't. Everyone is working hard to bring the end user something useable and not trash. Either contribute or leech. If you leech don't comment bs like that.
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Thats great!
Also have you seen this? (attachment)
via mobiflip

bigballa said:
Man you don't understand miui then. The general standpoint on a design for an icon is universal. Just because the iPhone used the format first doesn't make it there's. Android is all about open and customization without too much work. IPhone doesn't offer widgets or ease of notifications. Android does. Just because miui looks like the iPhone doesn't mean it is. Miui is heavily based on backend mods. Stiff if implemented right can be a lot better than anything. I'm on miui right now and I love it. Sure its a little different but its functional for a heavy user if configured right with good placement of widgets and folders and icons.
Next time you hate on something... just don't. Everyone is working hard to bring the end user something useable and not trash. Either contribute or leech. If you leech don't comment bs like that.
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I understand the whole don't hate on anything idea,and I agree with it. You like MIUI,it is your opinion and thats fine. I tried it for about a week,and it has a few elements that I do like,but as a whole,it felt too much like the iPhone for my taste. And this is after having both the original iPhone and the iPhone 3g,as well as the g1,cliq,cliq xt,hd2,and now the nexus. I have used all the operating systems,and if 2.3=MIUI,My nexus is going to continue to run enomther's theofficial like it has been.

Honestly, if MIUI really did contain elements of Gingerbread (like all the rumors everyone refers to), do you really think Google would just let it slide? Why can't we all realize that these devs put in some effin MAJOR framework overhauls into froyo, and didn't steal it from Google? If I was a dev behind MIUI, I'd be PISSED if people said that.

bigballa said:
Man you don't understand miui then. The general standpoint on a design for an icon is universal. Just because the iPhone used the format first doesn't make it there's. Android is all about open and customization without too much work. IPhone doesn't offer widgets or ease of notifications. Android does. Just because miui looks like the iPhone doesn't mean it is. Miui is heavily based on backend mods. Stiff if implemented right can be a lot better than anything. I'm on miui right now and I love it. Sure its a little different but its functional for a heavy user if configured right with good placement of widgets and folders and icons.
Next time you hate on something... just don't. Everyone is working hard to bring the end user something useable and not trash. Either contribute or leech. If you leech don't comment bs like that.
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Calm down... Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I too dislike the MIUI interface. The poster was just expressing, albiet inelligently, the reasons they do not like MIUI. That is no reason for your hostility...

[RANT] Epic phone not so epic

*RANT ALERT*
Ok. This makes me furious.
Cyanogenmod Hauwei Ascend
It's a 600 mhz processor. By a no-named manufacturer. WHAT THE H#*&??
Cyanogenmod can run on this android 2.1-flaunting pos and we can't have it? My bestfriends super crappy phone makes my phone look like crap because of the os. The Epic's got the hardware, but no software to match. Don't get me wrong, the devs here have worked MIRACLES on this phone. And the only thing holding me back from pawning whatever I can find for an evo is the amazing roms (frankenstein and anonymous, im looking at you) and the superbly friendly and miracle-working devs (Rodderik, ecooce, computerkid23, MysteryEmotionz, k0nane, chris41g, asdfghjkl, DRockstar, TexasEpic4G, qbking77, flimsy888, forgive me if I left you out).
Guess I'm just jealous that such a beast of a phone can't compare to such a pos of a phone.
*RANT OVER*

It shipped with AOSP android so it wasn't too much of a stretch to port Cyanogenmod onto it. One of the hardest parts of porting CM is getting an AOSP kernel that boots (part of what took the EPIC so long to reach where it is now).

I have CM7 on my Nook Color. It is nice but it's not a game changer, and stuff broke in some nightlies. Having working Netflix would be great but Epic screen is too small vs a tablet. ACS does it for me just fine, and whenever CM7, GB, AOSP makes its way to us it will make an already great phone better - but only that much.

Seriously? Even in stock form, the Epic still kicks ass. Tell me if CM can play ALL the codecs the Epic does? How about the performance of the camera? The Samsung camera is really pretty good. Can that phone play games made for the Tegra 2? I know the Epic can. CM would be great, but it's not the end all, be all. From a performance standpoint, CM is fast, but even it's missing some things that the Epic already has built in.

Oh trust me, I know. It's amazing even stock. But its like a car, you want the better parts for the best performance. And that amazing brand new engine won't fit in our car (idk alot about cars). It's also one of those "we do it because we can" things. It's a slap in the face to see it on these type of phones and not our epic.

At this point CM is very over-hyped. Would it be nice to have? Yes. Is it going to make the phone suck if we don't get it? No. The way people are making it out to be is like this will completely transform the phone.
I suspect when the Epic finally does get CM we will finally be done with the "where is CM?!" threads and flooded with the "this is it?!" threads.

It's not just Cyanogenmod. Its also MIUI and plain old AOSP. The epic is pretty amazing, but being able to say I can't run CM7 or MIUI makes me think twice about it actually being an evo-killer.

Personally, I will continue to run touchwiz roms even after cyanogen. Unless cm can make a serious enough difference in my battery stats to warrant removing tw and its features(which I find very useful).
cd's or tapes?

schnowdapowda said:
Personally, I will continue to run touchwiz roms even after cyanogen. Unless cm can make a serious enough difference in my battery stats to warrant removing tw and its features(which I find very useful).
cd's or tapes?
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Khemul said:
At this point CM is very over-hyped. Would it be nice to have? Yes. Is it going to make the phone suck if we don't get it? No. The way people are making it out to be is like this will completely transform the phone.
I suspect when the Epic finally does get CM we will finally be done with the "where is CM?!" threads and flooded with the "this is it?!" threads.
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Maybe CM7 isn't so different from what we use now but I just put MIUI on my sister's vibrant and believe me it's a BIG deal.
In a perfect world, I would have the newest official MIUI on my Epic with Wimax support both on my phone and actually available in my area. I hope some day to get to see a couple of those.
Official Gingerbread Kernel source needs to drop now.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE RAN CM7, because let me tell you I miss it greatly from my Evo, LOVE LOVE LOVE my Epic but seriously CM7 is where its at...Yes I like caps.

I'm intrigued by what I hear about CM7, but MIUI does not get my attention one bit. If I wanted my phone to look and act like an iPhone I probably would have bought an iPhone (and then promptly turned my man card in and spent the rest of my days settling for whatever the turtleneck told me was the best).
That being said, I don't care that these aren't available for the Epic. SRF is super fast and I haven't found any bugs to date. I get less FC's on my phone now than I did with the stock phone.

where to begin? cm is nice and having the option is nicer. but seriously its not some awe inspiring monolith of human achievement. the reason why cm7 looks so great on htc devices is because they need the speedup over sense.
as for miui, i too have taken great pleasure in bashing it, but recently i gave it a whirl and i have to say i am VERY impressed. the features present in that rom i hope someday make it into cm7. the customization you can do with such ease is amazing. the music app even blows away googles newest one.. (i mean cmon who doesnt like auto lyric lookups? ) contact management is a breeze and even syncs properly with facebook (something i cant get cm7 to do). alas the current version of miui lacks 4g and has a call bug where the call is muted (version 1.7.8) for the nexus s 4g. so im back to cm7 for now, til dreamsforgotten ports those lockscreen mods

shabbypenguin said:
where to begin? cm is nice and having the option is nicer. but seriously its not some awe inspiring monolith of human achievement.
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Yes, it is.

lol CM7 cant change the phone THAT much.

Decad3nce said:
Yes, it is.
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please, and what would you know about cm?

I'm not pressed for cm7, just a source code for 2.3.5 and we'd be rocking it
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Yes, it is.
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please, and what would you know about cm?
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Yeah I know right, that guys a n00b.
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I think there's more to life than software and operating systems. I'm very satisfied with what the devs have come up with for the Epic. The phone is fast, user-friendly, and easy on the battery. My buddy, who has an Evo, wishes he had my camera and super AMOLED. We're both stormchasers and are too cheap to buy real cameras. Mine takes noticeably better pictures on all settings. I guess it depends on what is important to you.

these types of posts make me furious.
These devs aren't going to waste their time building from scratch what they'll be able to piece together with a source release.
CyanogenMod is great and all, but try some other roms before you get all crazy angry. Do some research!
I am running my epic with SyndicateRomFrozen and the Genocide Kernel. I'm getting quadrant scores through the roof, and my Epic is a dream phone now.
CM7 will get to us. Until then, do something. Research. Flash. Experiment. Stop flaming start being proactive.

My display, camera, and audio quality trump anything that CM7 or MIUI brings that would make me want to switch to another Sprint phone right now.

[Q] srf 1.2 vs eg22 2.3.4

which rom will win the rom war?

Ill wait till acs tackles official gingerbread... should be fantastic given their work. Keep in mind I'm coming from the moment
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.

Phasma343 said:
*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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No phone is too hard to work on.
Some "developers" (I use that term very loosely) are just too lazy to accomplish things.

Apples/Oranges
SRF 1.2 is highly customized/optimized, GB is stock.

The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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it's supposed to cure 'gyne-syphi-herpe-l-aids'... (say it real fast.. it's almost all STDs LOL)..
actually, it's closest thing to a very customizable AOSP experience that can be had.
I also don't buy the whole 'too hard to work on' thing.. I just think there's not enough interest in developing or porting it to our device.. just my opinion.. there's plenty of demand, just not enough development interest. (or development collaboration ??.. i'm out of the loop, so i'm unsure)

The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.

im still feelin srf 1.2, cant wait for 1.3, thdy could get the best of both worlds would be great

Phasma343 said:
*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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Cyanogenmod is better than all roms??
Please send me the link to their previous works for the Epi...........oh wait.......haaaaa you almost had me!
A friendly jest
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Srf is my favorite, But I haven't used eg22 yet. I was spoiled when I first rooted my phone by acs/srf by konane and a very responsive impaler. I don't feel as much love over there but its still the best rom for the epic. That being said I ready to try eg22.
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Phasma343 said:
I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.

Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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Eg22 ftw
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The Root said:
I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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Pretty much exactly how I feel about it as well. Just know its not the popular opinion 'round these parts.

OK, I dont understand the CM hype either, and no, havent used it, ill gladly try it if someone feels like doing it, but I dont think it was in the contract with our phone. I have seen multiple threads of various groups or individuals working on it, a version thrown in the trash (or just forgotten) because it didnt follow the CM guidelines or whatever (these are custom roms, right?)... regardless, most people who have recently worked on it have been waiting for whatever is a final source... froyo and GB are too close together to make it worth the time and effort to build something like that for the notorious level of appreciation for Epic Dev in general... maybe those who still give a crap at this point will do it when theres source and it can be done 'right'... but isnt the first rule of CM is to never talk about CM??? Maybe Devs have been annoyed off the project. I know I wouldnt want the entitled CM fanatics up on my nuts every five minutes... and this is not directed at those posting in favor of it, just overall interest in it since launch of this device. Or maybe the oh so amazingness of every device being the same should remain apples thing.... idunno... one rom to rule them all? Boring. MIUI?
But on topic, apples and oranges, all roms ymmv... kinda silly thread, but im glad the thought police have left the Epic building.

As mentioned, you're comparing a customized Syndicate rom to a stock Gingerbread rom. With different base structures. They can't be compared, although for your purposes I'd likely stick with Syndicate until they or others gain access to official source and pimp out their own Gingerbread.
As far as CyanogenMod, it was half-ported to the Epic some time ago.
Things that do NOT work :
GPS (Hm, I use my GPS a fair amount)
Camera (Well that's inconvenient, this is my most used camera)
Multimedia Messaging (How am I supposed to send all those pictures I can't take?)
Bluetooth In-Call (In an increasing amount of states, this is the only legal way to talk and drive)
WiMax 4G (I ACTUALLY work in a city where I get 4G)
The developers of CM7 have basically stated that they're too lazy to put any effort into this device until 2.3 officially drops. We'll see if they don't say the same things when that actually happens... But they're free people welcome to develop on whatever they want. The point is, there is no CM that compares with anything the Epic's dedicated developers have released.

kwazytazz said:
Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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The Root said:
I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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These people are upset that the source isn't out. They had source from the froyo and eclair builds for their phone along with pretty decently documented RIL patches. None of the samsung phones have well documented RIL patches (well I guess the actual SGS does now)
The EpicCM team has stated that anyone can join the effort. I guess most of the devs in this forum are just ROM cooks though and don't know anything about actual coding. (getting my trollface and flamesuit on for that one)
I think they are really apples to oranges on all sides. SFR is a decent rom (well 1.1.1 is.) And fairly stable, but it still has samsung crap in it throughout all the frameworks etc. I came from a device that never had any bloatware stuff like touchwiz or sense. I think both are junk and get in my way more than help me.
SFR is a nice attempt at getting rid of a good portion of that, but still nowhere near an AOSP or CM build.
Also on that note CM is an actual build. Everything is compiled against the phone libs and not just modified and baked back into the rom. Not exactly a solid comparison, but I felt like trolling this thread a bit. I don't think SFR and stock Gingerbread is a good comparison either for similar reasons.
Other phones didn't have things written from the ground up. Certain files were kanged or already documented. HTC phones were already well documented in actual Android source with the G1. So the RIL was already in place with just minor changes needed. You are very mistaken in this. Infact if you look in the actual source code http://android.git.kernel.org/ you can see the script that is used to kang the files even.
It really has nothing to do with the partitions either. That was easy stuff. Obviously since CM6 and CM7 have both been able to boot. Again it has been the RIL stuff that has been the main obstacle in all of this from what I can tell in the github and following the actual development.
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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Can I ask you how you see it as overrated?
It is pretty close to AOSP. It pulls down AOSP code and gets modified a bit from there. Reality is it doesn't drift far from the AOSP code. The changes made are usually additional APK's. I would have to disagree with you on that one. If it doesn't full support the hardware it was on then it wasn't a stable build of CM. CM on my roommates Evo runs phenomenally and all of the hardware works well. The CM implementation of WiMAX is actually faster than HTC's.
You are right. Every ROM will have fans insisting it is the best. But I actually KNOW CM is the best /fanboy style posting

woooo... deep stuff, i see everybody's point

ICS vs Gingerbread

Like many others, I jumped on the train to try out all these ICS roms. I have the Nexus S 4G, so I am more limited, but still.
So far, they are really impressive, all being built from source. Lots of people are saying they are super smooth and responsive.
So I tired out AOSP's build, Kwiboo's, Drew Garens, and some of the Kangs. I used Franco's kernel, Matrix, and Glados to see what all worked best.
Results? Nothing compares to CM7 Gingerbread. When people say the ICS roms are quick, they aren't compared to CM7. Clicking on apps open instantly in CM7, settings menu is snappy, and moving between screens has extremely little lag. The ICS roms all had issues of randomly slowing down, but thats almost no existent in CM7. The worst part was the battery life. I don't know if I wasn't doing things correctly, but with minimal use I was draining 8-9% per hour. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife.png
So I went back to CM7 to see if it was just my phone, or my kernel. I put on Matrix 11.5, and got all set up. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife2.png
In this picture I was at 76% battery life as well. As you can see, thats MUCH better life.
My question is, has anyone else experienced what I have? I COMPLETELY understand that the ROM's are not perfect, I am not worried about that. I just hear all these AMAZING things about these ICS roms, but I personally don't see it. Just looking for some discussion here, and some other peoples comparisons between Gingerbread and ICS. Thanks to all the devs out there, you guys are great!

Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Perhaps most of us when saying it's quick and responsive, are not trying to make a battle over gingerbread roms......
Perhaps when the term alpha is used and the ROM runs really well it gets us excited for what's down the pipe line.
When I tell people the ics runs smooth on my nexus I'm commenting on how well it runs from the little amount of time that has been spent so far with out pre supplied drivers and kernel. And is described from the Dev as being buggy
Not everything is commented on being nice is not to be precieved as something else is bad.
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Of all the ICS roms I've tried, I give the best performance to aosp. Having said that, they're all still not as fast as GB (Oxygen, my preferred). Played with ICS for a few days, did a nandroid backup and went back to Oxygen.
I understand that the devs are working with what they've got but I'm not satisfied with the current iterations as a daily driver. Battery life is not the best, slow transistions sometimes...performance generally is not what I like. It was fun to play with though.
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It is obvious that GB is still faster, it is based on the OTA and it is here for like one year, devs had time to make it mature. ICS is on the beginning, and imo is running very well at this moment. I have installed CM9 alpha 11 with franco´s kernel and it is quite fast and with the same battery life than I was having with GB.

My ICS is running as fast as I need it for the most part.
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Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?

profete162 said:
Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?
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I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.

info[]box1 said:
Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Alright, I guess I don't understand the actual component side of it. I thought that source was decently close to what a final build would be like (besides drivers and stability of course).
Thanks for the suggestion.

When we get the OTA for the nexus s 3g & 4g and Devs get the actual kernel and drivers etc designed for our device we will see a major difference.
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thefangedkanga said:
I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.
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then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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BrianDigital said:
then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.

For me it was the big turn it took from the SDK port. I tried that and it was slow and laggish and some components didn't work at all.
Then came along the first ICS version built from AOSP and that was already a massive performance increase compared to what we had.
After a few weeks, I call the latest releases 'fast', looking at the iterations it has made. ICS is running smooth-ish here now; no lags while flicking screen, minor lag when open some dialogs.
Lastly I think it helps the devs out a lot if they get feedback on whichever optimization script they put on their release to make it go a bit faster.
Greetz

I own my Nexus since four days now and I think that ICS ins a little bit faster than 3.3.6 Gingerbread. But I used only the Stock and prefer ICS now.
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thefangedkanga said:
I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.
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oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait

BrianDigital said:
oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait
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Dude chill out.
I never said anyone is wrong. All I said is that the term fast is relative. I'm not here to bash anyone, or anything. I am just wondering what other peoples experiences are. Stop flaming because you have a different opinion. That's the whole point of this, to get other peoples OPINIONS. Relax.

Who's still disappointed by the keyboard? The response time is near perfect now. I just wish Google would implement some more settings and features, like custom auto corrections.

I used the stock keyboard for an entire day and it almost killed me, I hate it. Swiftkey X is miles ahead, I cant type in my phone without it.

You know what also bothers me? The fact that the letter "i" is not automatically capitalized in the middle of the sentence. For example, "Have i shown you my picture?" Why is the "i" not capped, Google?
Argh.

Yes, these ICS builds are no where close to the smoothness, snappiness, and fluidity of Gingerbread ROMs. I was hoping that when the official Ice Cream Sandwich OTA for the Nexus S was released this problem would be remedied. These AOSP builds have not been properly optimized and such to run perfectly on our devices, but for Alphas they are decent. Sadly not my cup of decent. They are annoyingly less quick than Gingerbread builds currently are.

More Jellybean I hope.

I've decided, that since I hate gingerbread, and evervolv is not my cup o tea, that its time I make a contribution. I would love some feedback on a good, or at least mildly decent Jellybean ROM that I could either port or attempt to compile. I might even take a crack at Sense 4 or 5 maybe, or at least attempt a better job than what's been done(not to put down anyones work, no matter how halfassed). I'm not crazy about unresolved issues. So maybe sense isn't a great place to start. Either way, please let me know what you people would like to see.
Also, I don't care what may have already been posted here in the development threads, they are all either deleted, abandoned, or old versions of android. I want Jellybean. Let me know what you want thanks.

_thrasher_x said:
I've decided, that since I hate gingerbread, and evervolv is not my cup o tea, that its time I make a contribution. I would love some feedback on a good, or at least mildly decent Jellybean ROM that I could either port or attempt to compile. I might even take a crack at Sense 4 or 5 maybe, or at least attempt a better job than what's been done(not to put down anyones work, no matter how halfassed). I'm not crazy about unresolved issues. So maybe sense isn't a great place to start. Either way, please let me know what you people would like to see.
Also, I don't care what may have already been posted here in the development threads, they are all either deleted, abandoned, or old versions of android. I want Jellybean. Let me know what you want thanks.
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There are some people who strongly disagree with this and hate that people are making JB for this device, but I'm not one of them. Two great people to contact are Jlmancuso and Wambo_Bomb. Check out android.aokforums.com, where most JB action goes on nowadays. I am also trying to do a little AOKP based project for this device and a couple others. I have no preference, I think that you should build something that you would use, that way it will keep you motivated. That's about all I have to say. I want JB, and I personally want to build it, but the more the merrier. You could try ChameleonOS (it's a major pain in the neck, I've already tried) or maybe do RootBox

I'm seriously not even going to waste my time on this device. I just got the S4 with a contract so I'll be using this Evo as a failsafe. Besides, only one person expressed interest. Consider this forum dead.
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_thrasher_x said:
I'm seriously not even going to waste my time on this device. I just got the S4 with a contract so I'll be using this Evo as a failsafe. Besides, only one person expressed interest. Consider this forum dead.
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Now that you are not on the Evo section, we should consider this forum dead?

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