Hi xda was hoping someone would be so kind as to help me out before I make an expensive purchase.
Ok so I play a lot of android games.
I recently sold my VEGA rebrand from flat computing.
I had a few screen issues where the multi-touch was faulty? Or just not that good.
Anyway I made a youtube video showing my problems..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boesCfhkRbs
In the multitouch visualizer you can see the second touch on the right when moved affects the first touch. I cannot play FPS's wherein the controls are on the bottom left and right of the screen. This movement was just too much to make it worthwile. It also became stuck at times where the right would freeze and my right movement would start controlling the left.
Yes i tried some games and it did play up a lot.
Some people have been complaining about similar issues with the adam AND some even saying the touch doesn't work well the closer to the edges you are
I just sold this device to wait for the adam. (not long now I hope) ANd would be devistated if the adam was the same. This would also breatly waste my time, again.
There is a video on youtube and whilst I spoke to the guy and he says it works perfectly the multitouch visualizer clearly shows what seems to be some sort of snapping. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597On89k4iU
My question is..
Can someone create a video showing me exactly how well it works. Including maybe trying to reproduce what my flatpad was doing?
Here you go, i dont have that version of the visualizer dunno if it makes a diference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0U2X9D78hI
Wow. Thank you so much. The touchscreen is perfect. Nice!
I patiently await for notion ink to advise of the second preorder.
Thanks again this is a huge help to me.
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I believe that some people who are having trouble with their
tablet touch screens do not realize that the condition of the skin on ones finger has an effect on the accuracy of the screen. Also what part of your finger you use to touch the screen. Small phone screens do not have as much problem because you are using the same part of your finger to touch the screen. On a larger tablet you tend to roll your finger to different parts that are touching the screen. This different skin may not work as well as what you usually use. The tips of my fingers do not work as well as the flats. I never knew this until I got the larger HD2 screen and I was pounding away with the tip. Touch it with the flat part and bingo, every time.
It has to do with how moist or oily your skin is. My wife has dry hands and has a terrible time with touch screens. I read an article about it but can't find it to link here.
Any body else had any experience with this?
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tablet touch screens do not realize that the condition of the skin on ones finger has an effect on the accuracy of the screen. Also what part of your finger you use to touch the screen. Small phone screens do not have as much problem because you are using the same part of your finger to touch the screen. On a larger tablet you tend to roll your finger to different parts that are touching the screen. This different skin may not work as well as what you usually use. The tips of my fingers do not work as well as the flats. I never knew this until I got the larger HD2 screen and I was pounding away with the tip. Touch it with the flat part and bingo, every time.
It has to do with how moist or oily your skin is. My wife has dry hands and has a terrible time with touch screens. I read an article about it but can't find it to link here.
Any body else had any experience with this?
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I do, i sweat alot from my hands, and in that video i posted i used the cleaning cloth to place over my fingers so i could film it, otherwise the touch screen wouldnt lock.
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Please, anyone else with a Shift that doesn't feel "solid" anymore after some weeksuse ?
Main issue being the screen that got loose hinges...when I touch the screen the display scrueeqs on it's hinges...
Also, I notice that the two rectangular screenholders on the bottom of the device have about 1mm "play" or "loosened up hinges, in it, after some weeks of use.
I'm really careful with my device, want to know if others have this issue too...
The screen on my shift is a bit too stiff, but it´s only two weeks old.
It also has a small movement on the two linear guides, half a millimeter or so.
What worries me is when putting it flat again, it makes a "clack" sound that makes me pity for the HDD.
I´ve attached a small black round sticker to the two magnets and it has improved a bit without affecting any movement.
Daniel
I've had mine since release day, it's had plenty of use, but the hinges still feel firm, no squeaks, no play in them... The slider mechanism is still smooth.
So no problems here.
Same for me. Still solid after 6 month.
Mine is little hard to turn the monitor from day one. When I contacted HTC, they said it is very common and it could be fixed once I start using it. I normally don't use keyboard, because I am more used to soft keyboard on Vista side, so I don't see much difference here.
Thanks
Ram
Hi,
I am currently using a Samsung F480 and I really have to say the difference in the touch screen experience is very much noticeable compared to my HTC Wizard (I'd probably call it Apple-esque - even though I never actually used their phone), however at the very same time I also have to admit that I am really missing the possibilities Windows Mobile offers.
So when I first read about the Touch HD it seemed it would unify all those. Well, meanwhile I found out that the touch screen technology basically remained the same so I'd really be interested to hear how you would actually rate it? Does one still have to press/push the screen or does a simply touch do it as well?
Apart from the touch screen topic I am also a bit uncertain after reading threads like this and in particular vangrieg's posting. How would you rate the overall performance?
Basically what I would be looking for would be a compact phone with a good display, easily extensible (Windows Mobile) and a nice touch screen experience (Apple) ....
i have it for a week now and i am very satisfied with it. Not one program crashed and no reboot so far. Internet browsing is fast and really usable. For the first time ever i really like to surf the net while commuting on the subway. GPS with TomTom7 is great - i locks in seconds even when in downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.
regarding the touchscreen, i find that i have to press really hard to get a reaction. at first i even was reluctant to press so hard because i thought i would break it with the stylus. but now i am glad that it does not react to simple touching because i usually carry it in the pocket of my trousers and touch the display when handling it and it should not react to simple touching in my view - and it does not.
Thanks kkrammer, so you havent noticed respectively cant confirm the lag mentioned by donbronzi and jon- in the indicated thread. I am asking in particular because vangrieg stated the used Qualcomm processor shouldnt be the fastest.
As to the touch screen, this is certainly a subjective matter but personally I really like Samsung's way to respond even to a very very light touch without having to actually press it. So you would say one actually has to press it, a light touch doesnt do it?
Touch HD finger pressure
After owning a Touch Diamond, I feel that the screen is much more responsive. I dont have to press hard at all. I really like it so far. Yes it is a bit bigger and heavier, its still thin. All my programs are working great.
Thanks wfhowell, actually I just went to a store and expectedly they didnt have an HD yet, however there was the Diamond and considering my touch tests I slowly begin to understand the Apple fanboys. Coming from the Samsung F480 I was almost unable to use it. So how much would you say was the HD improved in this area?
Maybe someone who used Apple's, the F480 and the HD could outline where he/she would see the differences.
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
Its the best phone till today... awesome tough still not perfect..
Unless you still think that a phone requires a QWERTY keyboard (I haven't missed on yet on this awesome phon) I'd run to my local dealer
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
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Thanks Marcel, I know Apple's touch screen as well as - probably - the F480's measure via the skin but nonetheless I was "shocked" today when I saw what touching means in terms of the Diamond.
How "close" would you say is the sensitivity you mentioned?
Can someone who has experience with the Wizard and the HD tell if there is an actual difference in the sensitivity.
I'd love to get an HD - even if its price is currently almost prohibitive - but I am not sure whether I'd really like to go back.
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Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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its not worth the upgrade in my opinion.
I found you have to push a fair bit harder with the stylus on the screen than with your finger. If you use your finger it responds to a very light touch in comparism and is very responsive.
Thanks, for a real-world example, how hard would one have to press to slide the tabbar on the home screen left and right. Would just placing the finger without actual pressure be enough?
hi drzoid
how sensitive is the screen on mine...not sure how best to answer.
On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
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Just like with the F480.
marcel808 said:
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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Thank you Marcel, perfect explanation, even though I am not sure whether this is really close if one has to push 1mm into the screen .
Somehow my excitement gets colder, unfortunately
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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Well, personally I dont really need a stylus, although the magnetic of the HD makes a precious impression. Anyhow Samsung's screen is what I would really define as touch screen. It would be interesting how close it is, but the 1mm Marcel mentioned doesnt sound too close .... I guess I will have to wait until I can see the HD live.
What a shame almost
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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I have both the diamond (business phone) and, recently, the HD (personal phone). The HD is a step change in a number of ways. The larger screen, in purely size terms, makes sense of the touchflo interface. Buttons are big, and useable, and I'm rarely (if ever) pulling out the stylus. Also the software itself is faster, more developed (losts of little changes - like answering a call uses a finger gesture, rather than pressing a button - which means you are much less likely to inadvertantly answer an incoming call in your pocket. a little thing, but one of a myriad of significant little changes). The stock ROM is blisteringly fast in comparison (my diamond is the t-mobile version, and a shocker in comparison). Given that they are roughly the same hardware it shows what the diamond may become capable of. The screen is spectacular. The sensitivity (though lacking multi-touch, no biggie for me) feels just right. The battery life literally takes my breath away. I've run it for two lumps of two days, and not yet got the battery below 50%. My diamond corpses after about 24 hours.
It's the best WM device I've had by a country mile, and I've had a few. I still like my diamond, though. It's little and I can look after it much better when I'm out for a riotous night on the town. The HD is big, and until I can get a silicone case for it, it's a dropped smashed phone waiting to happen (I hate having to remove a phone from a case to use it, it massively increases the chance of accidents).
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I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Really? If I judge it from my Acer Aspire I would then actually call it decent.
I really have to find a store where you can try it out .
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For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
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Well, I can talk only for the F480 which actually has Netfront and there you can click links without zooming, even if you have aim well sometimes.
Lets say I am not against a stylus but I am for the touch experience the F480 brings .
Hi guys,
I'm curious. What is the lifespan of the HTC Touch HD's screen? I know it's a seemingly random question, but I was just wondering. I tend to keep my devices for a very long time so this would be valuable information in helping me decide if this is the phone for me.
Cheers.
Well, I have noticed that the screen is a bit scratch sensitive as the top layer is made of plastic. Screen responsiveness is mediocre and clarity and picture quality are good to very good. Overall I like the screen. =]
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Well, I have noticed that the screen is a bit scratch sensitive as the top layer is made of plastic. Screen responsiveness is mediocre and clarity and picture quality are good to very good. Overall I like the screen. =]
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Antrak,
Thanks for that input. I appreciate it. However, I was wondering about the touch screen's duration, as in, how many years before the touch screen will crap out on you. Any idea?
Also, the screen's responsiveness can be fixed by using a registry editor and looking for the responsiveness setting. I think you can hop on over to the X1 to see what the registry mod is.
Cheers.
PoisonWolf said:
Antrak,
Thanks for that input. I appreciate it. However, I was wondering about the touch screen's duration, as in, how many years before the touch screen will crap out on you. Any idea?
Also, the screen's responsiveness can be fixed by using a registry editor and looking for the responsiveness setting. I think you can hop on over to the X1 to see what the registry mod is.
Cheers.
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No problem. Ah in that way. Well I think that if you take good care of your device and handle it carefully, the touch screen won't fail any sooner then other components of the device will. I still have a device that's way over it's preservation date and the screen still functions the way it's supposed too, so I don't really think you will have any trouble with that.
I did the registry settings and tweaks, I still find it mediocre though. In my mind I put it in this list -Touch HD Mediocre - Touch Diamond 2 Good - Capacitive Excellent -.
But thing is, the bigger the screen is on a resistive screen type device, the more pressure you need to give, not incredibly much but still.
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No problem. Ah in that way. Well I think that if you take good care of your device and handle it carefully, the touch screen won't fail any sooner then other components of the device will. I still have a device that's way over it's preservation date and the screen still functions the way it's supposed too, so I don't really think you will have any trouble with that.
I did the registry settings and tweaks, I still find it mediocre though. In my mind I put it in this list -Touch HD Mediocre - Touch Diamond 2 Good - Capacitive Excellent -.
But thing is, the bigger the screen is on a resistive screen type device, the more pressure you need to give, not incredibly much but still.
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Antrak,
Thank you for that input. You've given me confidence in wanting to get this phone now (I would have gotten it already, but I was scammed about 2 months ago and I had to save again)! How is the usability of the phone using fingers alone? How often would you need to use the stylus?
Cheers.
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Antrak,
Thank you for that input. You've given me confidence in wanting to get this phone now (I would have gotten it already, but I was scammed about 2 months ago and I had to save again)! How is the usability of the phone using fingers alone? How often would you need to use the stylus?
Cheers.
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Too bad to hear that you've been scammed!
It is a really great device, I loved it from the moment it came out of it's nice black box.
I actually never use the stylus, and I have decently fat fingers. With a screen this size, I have no problems whatsoever navigating through the windows mobile 6.1 screens and I can't understand how some people actually use a stylus on this thing. For me, it's -completely- (including small 6.1 buttons) finger friendly.
agree with antrak =) it is a wonderful device =) I still use the stylus at times though, mostly for the transcriber input mode =) never recall any time where I was forced to use the stylus instead of fingers =)
figner use is quite ok.. though i agree touch HD screen is not as responsive as ..say compared to X1
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figner use is quite ok.. though i agree touch HD screen is not as responsive as ..say compared to X1
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leobox,
Well, that is perfectly fine with me. Not-as-responsive-screen > Eventually-cracking-case.
May I ask where you blokes purchased your Touch HD from (US folks). Also, do you need any sort of data plan to be able to use navigation software? I ask because Im not sure if aGPS systems require that or do you only need to pay for Navigation software? I'm also going to guess that using your phone as a GPS-System will eat the battery faster than you can say "The THD is teh sheetz!" ?
Cheers.
Hi All
My wife's recently got a Hero but she's found a problem with her long nails making typing difficult (capacitive screens don't work with fingernails!)
I've bought a couple of different types of iPhone stylus' but, though they do work, you have to really press quite [scarily] hard to make them register.
Can anyone recommend a stylus that works smoothly and without too much pressure?
Thanks!
The Pogo ones seem to be the most common iPhone ones, have you tried one of them?
Not yet - will seek one out. Thanks!
Did a quick search on Ebay - Item number: 390096569342 free postage too
Anybody have any joy resolving this?
Not yet. I was going to try a Pogo stylus but then found a review that suggests that it may be no different than the other stylus' I've bought. I can actually believe this because I've now managed to test the stylus' I've bought on an actual iPhone and they work far, far better than on the Hero
...not sure where to go from here.
It seems that HTC has lodged a stylus patent specifically for capacitive screens
http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-patents-stylus-for-capacitive-touch-screene.html
Thanks for the update. there has to be a lo-tech fix for this though. I'm going to have a think & a Google search & I'll let you know what I turn up
I found this but I'm not sure I like the idea of metal on glass
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/06/diy_iphone_stylus.html
Update: Metal actually works on the screen!
Update: got this now http://www.flickr.com/photos/antisynoptique/3225070344/in/photostream/ my mind is thinking hard. JTHM what do the ends of your stylus' look like?
There's no helping some people.
Have you tried this?
+1 lol
topjolly
You'll be sorry when I make my own lo-tech stylus! I'll show you.
I'LL SHOW YOU ALL!
Sorry,
Sometimes I get a bit carried away, I just think that there is a better way & telling my better half to trim her nails (although it is a good idea) wont really fly
I always wait till my Japanese friends did something wrong and then ask them for Yubitsume. Works like a real finger
i was going to post a picture of a chopped off finger to be a smartass so i did a google image search...
now im mentally scarred for life :/
The best stylus I have ever used is the papermate flexgrip elite M. They come in different colors and double as a pen which is what they really are. I recommend highly. I change color with the outfit I'm wearing. I'm in IT Networking so I always keep one in my shirt pocket. My job gives them out. Once you start using them you wont be able to go back to a regular stylus. I can't. You want to see it with the cap on the pen side, not the clip side. I use the small stylus side.
today i tried my friends iphone 3gs screen i zoomed a picture and moved my fingre on the screen and then stopped with my fingure still on the screen ,the iphone screen begens to shiver like what is happening on hd2 ,much more less but it shivers so i think this is a common capastive screens issues . i will post videos when i meet my friend again and take video of his i phone as this issue does not always happen
any comments to confirm or else
I get that too - and the sensitivity of the screen and whether it works is also affected by where I stand, and on what materials.
Tried to use HD2 next to refrigerator+light system today and an internal communication transmitter and the screen just wouldnt respond until I walked a couple of feet away - coincidence??? perhaps, perhaps not.
i get the shivver more when i use my finger tip instead of the finger pad. I suspect it is to do with the conductance being different on the tip.
i just sent mine back for repair because of this! in the cold screen jitter got so bad i couldnt select links whilst browsing! lets hope they loose my phone so i get a new one! lol!
sometimes i wish there was a decent alternative to HTC
has anyone noticed that shiver on i phone like what i noticed on my friends one
That's a common "issue" with all capacitive screens - including the iPhone's of course.
yes, i shouldve said that i first saw it on an iphone2G.
I think it is less noticeable though due to tighter spacing of the dots or just simply that it is a smaller panel...but it's still there.
Perhaps 4.3" is a bit too big!!! lol
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yes, i shouldve said that i first saw it on an iphone2G.
I think it is less noticeable though due to tighter spacing of the dots or just simply that it is a smaller panel...but it's still there.
Perhaps 4.3" is a bit too big!!! lol
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good news that it is not only hd2 issue ,i was going to send my hd2 for repair
Id be interested to see a video of the HD2 and iphone doing it as i cannot make my HD2 do it at all??
Capacitive screens work with electrostatic fields in my understanding, maybe peoples electrostatic field who experience this is somehow different?? Who knows.... ??
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Id be interested to see a video of the HD2 and iphone doing it as i cannot make my HD2 do it at all??
Capacitive screens work with electrostatic fields in my understanding, maybe peoples electrostatic field who experience this is somehow different?? Who knows.... ??
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i think all hd2 has the shiver screen but it depends on your finger position on the screen
I've found if you hover just above the screen it is more likely to happen. Or if you have another finger very very close to the screen and touch with another it gets confused.
But tbh I have it rarely.
BSB sensitivity tweaks and those in HD2tweak eliminated the issue for me entirely.
Another trick is to use a screen protector which makes it behave much more like a resistive screen.