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Future n1 Price drop?

Hey just before getting another nexus one wondered if anyone has heard of or predicts any price change for the unsubsidised version in the near future? I heard the HTC Bravo is coming out next month should I wait to see what happens in March?
cheers.

I'd wait until March, though frankly I doubt it: it's Google's current flagship device, blah blah. But just out of curiosity, why a second N1?

buying on behalf of a friend who's total noob. It says the vodafone and verizon versions are due to release in Spring 2010 maybe they'll introduce a new price then if not i doubt there'll be one soon after that

wait till monday. After the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona we'll have more info about future devices such as the Bravo and can more accurately calculate price-drops.

What exactly will be the benefit of waiting for the Bravo? Isn't it essentially the N1 with 720p video recording, a ugly black hardware design, and HTC Sense? I honestly see it as a downgrade. Since Sense will probably be ported over in a ROM, we already have Snapdragon, and I don't know any way to compensate for the 720p recording unless it is software related and can also be ported.

You're right, I don't even like Sense UI anymore. Cool, will wait for the MW Congress. Cheers
p.s. What do you think of ebay as a buying source?

Eclair~ said:
What exactly will be the benefit of waiting for the Bravo? Isn't it essentially the N1 with 720p video recording, a ugly black hardware design, and HTC Sense? I honestly see it as a downgrade. Since Sense will probably be ported over in a ROM, we already have Snapdragon, and I don't know any way to compensate for the 720p recording unless it is software related and can also be ported.
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720p recording is likely software. When the N1 first launched, the specs said 720p recording, then they pulled it since it wasn't supported yet. From the sounds of it, the Bravo has the exact same hardware, minus a few very small changes, and thus the added features should be portable.

It's only been out for a month, so I wouldn't count on it. Having a price drop that quick would only piss off all of us who bought it at full price.

pjcforpres said:
720p recording is likely software. When the N1 first launched, the specs said 720p recording, then they pulled it since it wasn't supported yet. From the sounds of it, the Bravo has the exact same hardware, minus a few very small changes, and thus the added features should be portable.
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Thanks for the clarification, that may be a feature I look forward to.

mark925 said:
It's only been out for a month, so I wouldn't count on it. Having a price drop that quick would only piss off all of us who bought it at full price.
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Sounds like something a certain fruit might do...

Well it doesn't look like anything exciting happened at Barcelona, just some lame Samsung Wave and some kiddie sony erricson toys

well that's because MWC only starts tomorrow offically
tomorrow we're also gonna see Intel and Nokia pull off some magic...

I don't think you will see a price drop for a while. The subsidized phone is CHEAP for what it is.... 179 on big red would make this phone a real winner... I just hate verizon for being to pushy with changing phone features.

The most important spec, unknown between the N1 and the Bravo, is the RAM. Most of the specs for the Bravo I've seens said it will have 320mb RAM, instead of the 512mb the N1 has. If this is the case then the Bravo is not an attractive alternative for me. If the Bravo has 512mb RAM. then I like the all black case styling, the optical mouse, and the hard buttons more than my N1.
Will it be possible to flash all the CyanogenMod ROMs we have now for the N1 directly to the Bravo, or will the developers have to re-invent the wheel to transfer the ROMs to the Bravo?

Well as far as I'm aware the nexus is restricted to using less ram because of the operating system so some ram goes to waste? Anyways I've put in the order for 2 nexus one's.... didn't avoid tax this time :S

jamesyb0i said:
Well as far as I'm aware the nexus is restricted to using less ram because of the operating system so some ram goes to waste? Anyways I've put in the order for 2 nexus one's.... didn't avoid tax this time :S
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I believe people here have been working on a RAM hack for the Nexus One to allow it to use more of the available RAM, I'm not really that active in the Nexus One community since I don't yet have the phone, so don't quote me on this though.

Eclair~ said:
I believe people here have been working on a RAM hack for the Nexus One to allow it to use more of the available RAM, I'm not really that active in the Nexus One community since I don't yet have the phone, so don't quote me on this though.
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Actually, you're pretty much correct. If you're rooted, you can flash the updated kernel and your phone will utilize all the available RAM. Still waiting for Google to give us an OTA, since I'm not rooting this puppy.

HTC Desire getting 720p Video What about our Nexus Ones?

The desire is getting 720p video recording officially through its froyo update. Since the hardware is the same between the nexus and desire could we possibly get the same quality of video on our nexus one. IS there any chance that we will get a update that enables 720p video?

They currently have 720p recording in the Development section, but only if you root your phone (so I too hope we somehow can get 720p recording without voiding the warranty).
I'm hoping someone can pull out the iTunes Sync that HTC is throwing in there as well, as DoubleTwist just doesn't cut it for me.
Last but not least, I still hope for the FM radio. Do I need it? No. Do I want it? Yes, I don't like being limited to what I can do.

Wow, first page of the development section man.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698287

GldRush98 said:
Wow, first page of the development section man.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698287
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I was thinking about on the bus, I SEVERELY doubt our XDA mod, and HTC's will be identical, so we can still take progress from HTC's and make XDA's even better, 25FPS maybe?

"Google doesn't care about nexus owners"
/kanye
Seriously though, It's up to Google to do the appropriate software updates for us. However, since they've taken the stance of having "pure vanilla AOSP" we won't see extra features not in aosp. AOSP has no support for 720p.

JCopernicus said:
"Google doesn't care about nexus owners"
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Bingo.
Selling phones isn't Google's business. N1 wasn't supposed to build Google a line of customers that might buy N2/3/10, because there was no intent to make business selling phones. So Google doesn't care about customers that bought N1, since they're a minority compared to other Android phone users, and since they won't be returning customers anyway - nothing to return to.
Whom does it care about? Developers, those that were originally the target crowd for this device, and still are. Thus Google releases the latest operating system for those that hold this device, allowing them access to the latest OS first. But all the rest - things that are necessary for good phone operation and that can be applied as OS-wide fixes to other phones are taken care of, things that are enhancing user experience for this device only - are skipped. Like FM radio, like new graphic driver, like many other things. Because spending time on them is only going to please the Nexus crowd and won't contribute to the overall Android OS advancement - so they probably don't consider it important enough.
Am I happy about it? Of course not, I'd like them to make my Nexus do much more. Do I understand their business decision reasons and think their direction is the right thing for them? Absolutely.

You'd have to root your phone and applied the mod yourself. I don't think we'll ever see it from Google themselves.

720p video for n1 had been available for months. 2.1 roms and 2.2 both have it. The answer to his question is yes, but you'll need to flash a non stock rom

Thanks for all the answers. When the desire gets 720p video could we port its video drivers(not sure how to say it) for the camera to the nexus one? So the n1 would be useing the same software as the desire.
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I wonder if the 720p recording on the Desire will have better audio quality.

androidlicious said:
I wonder if the 720p recording on the Desire will have better audio quality.
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it`s a few days more & new SW from Desire will catch a light
& with that 720p

Motorola Xoom launches without Flash support

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/21/motorola-xoom-will-ship-without-flash-support-on-february-24th/

Looks like we both caught this at the same time. I found it on Verizon's site
which makes it pretty official.

Well i get mine thursday & i was hoping i could go to the market & use the current version of flash until 10.2 comes out..my dell streak 7 ran flash beautifully..hope that works.

I can not forsee that working. If it was that easy why would it not already me included. I am sure we will get support at some point but Google and Motorola are releasing a high end tablet and are doing so handicapped.
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Relax, it will be updated
Just enjoy your web browsing experience without Flash for a while ....
Or you can "skin" your Xoom to look like an iPad for that ... LOL!
Just kidding.
I am not worry though about this Flash thing.
I more worry about the promised SD card support.

now i think somewhat of the "i am a apple, i am a pc" commercial
where the xoom is represented by a crippled guy.
just sad motorola your tablet sounds more and more "promising"
guess im going to wait for the HTC or other competition what they bring

I'm sorry, but they just shot themselves in the foot. Zero flash support on release and its expected sometime this spring? I'm done, I'm no longer picking this up. No flash is one of the main reasons I hate my ipad, I'm not going to drop more money on something just to wait for an update.
My older android phone has flash, but not the newer honeycomb wielding tablet?
WTF
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvzsqab4KKQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It clearly says in this video that Flash Player 10.1 will work. Also, I got to play with a preproduction xoom from the Motorola Rep at my AT&T store a week or two ago (what a nice guy, right?). He said it did run Flash 10.1 but it wasn't currently on the device because the unit had no access to the marketplace. I believe in this case, Moto/Vzn is referring to Flash 10.2.

Sirchuk said:
I'm sorry, but they just shot themselves in the foot. Zero flash support on release and its expected sometime this spring? I'm done, I'm no longer picking this up. No flash is one of the main reasons I hate my ipad, I'm not going to drop more money on something just to wait for an update.
My older android phone has flash, but not the newer honeycomb wielding tablet?
WTF
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Honeycomb is geared towards tablets, so maybe some apks won't load properly on Honeycomb as they would Froyo or Gingerbread. Plus, Motorola is pretty good at keeping their higher end products updated. It's not like they've refused flash now.
But I myself don't understand why there is no flash support for Honeycomb. Some apps like Launcher Pro, and ADW push okay with Honeycomb as far as I know, so I don't see why Flash wouldn't. Maybe it has something to do with Flash 10.2.
tlkid064 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvzsqab4KKQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It clearly says in this video that Flash Player 10.1 will work. Also, I got to play with a preproduction xoom from the Motorola Rep at my AT&T store a week or two ago (what a nice guy, right?). He said it did run Flash 10.1 but it wasn't currently on the device because the unit had no access to the marketplace. I believe in this case, Moto/Vzn is referring to Flash 10.2.
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No one has support for 10.2 under Android right now. Plus that ad is directly from Verizon that popped up in the early morning, where as that video is from about a month ago. It's not lying really, the hardware supports flash. But flash isn't available. Could be something like they thought it would be ready by release, but Motorola and Verizon have kept pushing the release date of the Xoom more and more.

It brings to mind the cliq, they kept promising an update to it over and over and over, then after several months of lower and lower sales they just dropped it and canceled the update. Leaving all the customers that listened to them high and dry.
I can totally see this with the xoom, especially with the already high price.
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So its also official that the Verizon Xoom will require a one month subscription on the Verizon network to activate?
What kind of BS is that? Although I plan to tether my phone not everyone will so I do not want to not have the option later on down to road to activate the 4G capability for sell it to someone looking to have it both. I am willing to pay for that option but to have to activate a subscription now while I can tether on another system is DUMB!
If they would have priced this at $699.00 they would have made a hugh impact on the market I think. They could recover through volume not clubbing people over the head with the $799.00 price then hit them up with a $50-60 activation of a 3G plan. I hope they don't plan to charge an activation fee as well. This would be illegal.

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What, exactly, does this post have to do with Flash support? Many threads on the cost of the 3g&wifi or the wifi only versions... Not to mention the activation threads that would have much better suited your needs.
mrmomoman said:
If they would have priced this at $699.00 they would have made a hugh impact on the market I think. They could recover through volume not clubbing people over the head with the $799.00 price then hit them up with a $50-60 activation of a 3G plan. I hope they don't plan to charge an activation fee as well. This would be illegal.
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Aside from me not being a grammar nazi on your post, I'm curious. What exactly would be illegal about a cell company charging an activation fee to use their data service?

Sirchuk said:
It brings to mind the cliq, they kept promising an update to it over and over and over, then after several months of lower and lower sales they just dropped it and canceled the update. Leaving all the customers that listened to them high and dry.
I can totally see this with the xoom, especially with the already high price.
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Like I said, Motorola is good at keeping their higher end devices updated. Plus seeing that it's on Verizon, Verizon is also one of the main reasons why Motorola devices on their networks received regular updates.

A guy on another forum posted a link to this Youtube video, where the Xoom is clearly running Flash (banner ad at the top of a webpage) at the 2:30 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6XykDhJMY

Maybe that's an HTML5 banner?
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vbetts said:
Like I said, Motorola is good at keeping their higher end devices updated. Plus seeing that it's on Verizon, Verizon is also one of the main reasons why Motorola devices on their networks received regular updates.
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since this is a google experience device you will be getting your updates through google. you cant blame moto for software updates this time. Anyways i think the ad is just talking about 10.2 which is optimized for honeycomb. I bet the xoom will ship with 10.1. this is just blown out of proportion because of the way verizon worded it. i would even bet money on it.

djunio said:
Maybe that's an HTML5 banner?
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Could be. Someone else claimed it's Javascript.

socomdark said:
Anyways i think the ad is just talking about 10.2 which is optimized for honeycomb. I bet the xoom will ship with 10.1. this is just blown out of proportion because of the way verizon worded it. i would even bet money on it.
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I have to agree. I've seen and heard a pretty good amount of evidence that Flash 10.1 will be supported out of the box. So long as 10.1 is supported, I don't mind waiting for a 10.2 update... After all, updates are supposed to make the product better, right?

tlkid064 said:
I have to agree. I've seen and heard a pretty good amount of evidence that Flash 10.1 will be supported out of the box. So long as 10.1 is supported, I don't mind waiting for a 10.2 update... After all, updates are supposed to make the product better, right?
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If this is true, and Verizon is speaking out of turn. I think it's high time we gathered our torches and taught Verizon a lesson. I am really starting to believe they are in a conspiracy with apple. Price to piss off some people, forced activation to piss off more people, and now claiming flash isn't there. We know Verizon has higher hopes for iPad2 sales than for the XOOM.. so I think they are intentionally ****ing this launch.

ever since they bowed down and kissed apples feet, they have changed their tune and backed off pushing android phones. I have the iphone 4 on AT&T and it is a good phone, it is even better phone when you jail break it. VZW just played right into apples hand.
This was the only way for Apple to stay competive w/ android.

Xoom update already but nothing for Atrix?!

What is the deal Motorola you're putting out an update for the Xoom and totally silent on the issues MANY people are having with the Atrix?!
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...s-required-enhan/&category=classic&postPage=1
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We have Flash, Xoom doesn't.

I was thinking the same exact thing. This is rediculous. Says alot about the priority of this phone.
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Yup ha
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You guys have to understand that the Xoom is being run by Google since it's a honeycomb flagship unlike the Atrix which isn't a google flagship. I'm sure we will see an update soon.

neer2005 said:
You guys have to understand that the Xoom is being run by Google since it's a honeycomb flagship unlike the Atrix which isn't a google flagship. I'm sure we will see an update soon.
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While that is true, it's also true that there is a SIGNIFICANT outcry within the Atrix user community - look at the posts on Motorola's forum - thousands of posts about the issues with the Atrix. The streaming issues, slow speeds on AT&T's network and over Wi-Fi, the locked and signed bootloader, etc. The user/developer community has probably already mitigated the small issues with the Xoom - after all, they are ALLOWED to.

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While that is true, it's also true that there is a SIGNIFICANT outcry within the Atrix user community - look at the posts on Motorola's forum - thousands of posts about the issues with the Atrix. The streaming issues, slow speeds on AT&T's network and over Wi-Fi, the locked and signed bootloader, etc. The user/developer community has probably already mitigated the small issues with the Xoom - after all, they are ALLOWED to.
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True, Motorola does have to give the Atrix attention.

The Xoom update is to prepare it for Flash. The Atrix already has Flash. What kind of updates were you expecting a couple of weeks after release?

waltah! said:
The Xoom update is to prepare it for Flash. The Atrix already has Flash. What kind of updates were you expecting a couple of weeks after release?
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All the crap that's broken that I talked about above maybe? The EVO that I have was updated within the first month it was out. It's not unheard of.

phobos512 said:
All the crap that's broken that I talked about above maybe? The EVO that I have was updated within the first month it was out. It's not unheard of.
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Good point made

how is motorola responisible for updating a device that at and t is 'breaking' with its caps and restrictions on upload speed..
im not sure what fix moto is supposed to be pushing out :S besides an update that unlocks the bootloader..ya thats gnna happen
i have no streaming/video playback issues, can u elaborate (if ur gonna bring up the tegra 1080p issue, again how is moto gnna fix a hardware shortcoming on tegras part with an OTA?)

I might be wrong, and definitely can't say how much it would actually help them, but this might be a move as a result of the recent ipad announcement. That might be viewed as a more imminent competition than other phones would be to the atrix.

I saw things above like signed/locked bootloader......they aren't going to "fix" that for you and I'm pretty sure you probably knew about that when you bought it.
I have zero streaming issues (including flash), great wifi speeds and very good data performance on the network(always 2.5-4mbps). Personally, I'm not looking for updates like that. Maybe you should exchange yours if you're having these issues.

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how is motorola responisible for updating a device that at and t is 'breaking' with its caps and restrictions on upload speed..
im not sure what fix moto is supposed to be pushing out :S besides an update that unlocks the bootloader..ya thats gnna happen
i have no streaming/video playback issues, can u elaborate (if ur gonna bring up the tegra 1080p issue, again how is moto gnna fix a hardware shortcoming on tegras part with an OTA?)
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Moto can't push an OTA without going through AT&T anyway. Going to need a radio update to get HSUPA.
That being said, this update for the XOOM is Moto trying to get something it advertised as a feature (flash) finally working. Different situation from the Atrix.

why do i not have any significant issue with the atrix >?

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While that is true, it's also true that there is a SIGNIFICANT outcry within the Atrix user community - look at the posts on Motorola's forum - thousands of posts about the issues with the Atrix. The streaming issues, slow speeds on AT&T's network and over Wi-Fi, the locked and signed bootloader, etc. The user/developer community has probably already mitigated the small issues with the Xoom - after all, they are ALLOWED to.
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I don't have these problems.

Don't forget there's likely different teams working on different things for each Xoom and Atrix. Each will have its own release target. Maybe the Atrix items haven't passed testing yet.

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I saw things above like signed/locked bootloader......they aren't going to "fix" that for you and I'm pretty sure you probably knew about that when you bought it.
I have zero streaming issues (including flash), great wifi speeds and very good data performance on the network(always 2.5-4mbps). Personally, I'm not looking for updates like that. Maybe you should exchange yours if you're having these issues.
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Are you testing those down speeds with the speedtest.net app from the market? Because that is the one I am using and I always get less than that, and it's inconsistent too.

What Motorola really needs to fix is the problems with VoIP apps, like Skype.

The Atrix update is coming... be patient

Xoom Upgrades

Ok I have not been one to complain but I am really frustrated at this point.
It has been 6 months since I purchased the Xoom and we still do not have our SD Support or 4G upgrades. I realize that the SD support will be here whenever Verizon approves or modifies the Zoom and releases the update but it is really frustrating. Our Zoom will also now be in the shadow of the new 4G galaxy tablet announced by verizon. This now removes all excuses and buts the blame on Motorola for either a hardware issue or a cost reduction plan put in place.
I am wondering if they are waiting till they announce a new tablet and get us tech enthusiasts wanting the new flashy tegra 3 and thus skip sending back our tablets for upgrade.

I agree completely! I think I've been very patient, but enough is enough with the Galaxy coming out this. Has anyone tried to argue with Verizon and get anything?

Instead of creating a new thread complaining about things that is found in the development thread, just bump one of the older ones beating on the issue?

Assuming you bought your Xoom on release date, it's still only been just under 5 months.

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Assuming you bought your Xoom on release date, it's still only been just under 5 months.
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Thank Goodness!!! I guess it still qualifies as " Coming Soon"

As much as people complain, we will get the 4g upgrade, albeit late.
(Contrary to popular belief, complaining in forums does not hasten the update announcement. Exaggerated, emotional or fallacious arguments just serve to annoy the aspies.)
Before complaining, consider these alternate scenarios:
MMI could have decided to hold off to release until the 4g part had FCC approval, which would mean the Xoom would just be coming to market around now.
Or, they could've just released the Xoom as-is, with no 4g upgrade.

Its more of a way to rant and get it out of my system.
I am mostly upset because I have a 48 hour car ride coming up and
and am frustrated with Verizon for not having the update out to get my SD slot working for movies.
I still figure Ill end up upgrading to a tegra 3 before we actually get our 4g though.

My understanding of Tegra 3 is that it's still in prototype phase, and won't be ramped up for manufacture till Oct/Nov. Which means products on the shelves maybe Dec/Feb 2012.
I'd be willing to bet we get the 3.2 update soon, and the 4g update before October.
I want a tegra 3, too.

I am happy with the Tegra 2 minus the HD video issue. I have thousands of video files all in High Profile 720p. I spent years putting them together and hate converting them to play.

My only point is that I would not have bought the xoom if I would have known that in March 02 "Coming Soon" meant August. I would have at the very least returned it during the 14 day return period.

Well Asus has promised a Tegra 3 tablet in October. I posted the link a while back. Im go be all over that tablet.
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ogar1978 said:
I am happy with the Tegra 2 minus the HD video issue. I have thousands of video files all in High Profile 720p. I spent years putting them together and hate converting them to play.
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My 720p high profile videos play fine since 3.1
They were ripped using handbrake's apple tv2 preset.
I am playing the videos in the stock video player
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