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Future n1 Price drop?

Hey just before getting another nexus one wondered if anyone has heard of or predicts any price change for the unsubsidised version in the near future? I heard the HTC Bravo is coming out next month should I wait to see what happens in March?
cheers.

I'd wait until March, though frankly I doubt it: it's Google's current flagship device, blah blah. But just out of curiosity, why a second N1?

buying on behalf of a friend who's total noob. It says the vodafone and verizon versions are due to release in Spring 2010 maybe they'll introduce a new price then if not i doubt there'll be one soon after that

wait till monday. After the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona we'll have more info about future devices such as the Bravo and can more accurately calculate price-drops.

What exactly will be the benefit of waiting for the Bravo? Isn't it essentially the N1 with 720p video recording, a ugly black hardware design, and HTC Sense? I honestly see it as a downgrade. Since Sense will probably be ported over in a ROM, we already have Snapdragon, and I don't know any way to compensate for the 720p recording unless it is software related and can also be ported.

You're right, I don't even like Sense UI anymore. Cool, will wait for the MW Congress. Cheers
p.s. What do you think of ebay as a buying source?

Eclair~ said:
What exactly will be the benefit of waiting for the Bravo? Isn't it essentially the N1 with 720p video recording, a ugly black hardware design, and HTC Sense? I honestly see it as a downgrade. Since Sense will probably be ported over in a ROM, we already have Snapdragon, and I don't know any way to compensate for the 720p recording unless it is software related and can also be ported.
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720p recording is likely software. When the N1 first launched, the specs said 720p recording, then they pulled it since it wasn't supported yet. From the sounds of it, the Bravo has the exact same hardware, minus a few very small changes, and thus the added features should be portable.

It's only been out for a month, so I wouldn't count on it. Having a price drop that quick would only piss off all of us who bought it at full price.

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720p recording is likely software. When the N1 first launched, the specs said 720p recording, then they pulled it since it wasn't supported yet. From the sounds of it, the Bravo has the exact same hardware, minus a few very small changes, and thus the added features should be portable.
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Thanks for the clarification, that may be a feature I look forward to.

mark925 said:
It's only been out for a month, so I wouldn't count on it. Having a price drop that quick would only piss off all of us who bought it at full price.
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Sounds like something a certain fruit might do...

Well it doesn't look like anything exciting happened at Barcelona, just some lame Samsung Wave and some kiddie sony erricson toys

well that's because MWC only starts tomorrow offically
tomorrow we're also gonna see Intel and Nokia pull off some magic...

I don't think you will see a price drop for a while. The subsidized phone is CHEAP for what it is.... 179 on big red would make this phone a real winner... I just hate verizon for being to pushy with changing phone features.

The most important spec, unknown between the N1 and the Bravo, is the RAM. Most of the specs for the Bravo I've seens said it will have 320mb RAM, instead of the 512mb the N1 has. If this is the case then the Bravo is not an attractive alternative for me. If the Bravo has 512mb RAM. then I like the all black case styling, the optical mouse, and the hard buttons more than my N1.
Will it be possible to flash all the CyanogenMod ROMs we have now for the N1 directly to the Bravo, or will the developers have to re-invent the wheel to transfer the ROMs to the Bravo?

Well as far as I'm aware the nexus is restricted to using less ram because of the operating system so some ram goes to waste? Anyways I've put in the order for 2 nexus one's.... didn't avoid tax this time :S

jamesyb0i said:
Well as far as I'm aware the nexus is restricted to using less ram because of the operating system so some ram goes to waste? Anyways I've put in the order for 2 nexus one's.... didn't avoid tax this time :S
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I believe people here have been working on a RAM hack for the Nexus One to allow it to use more of the available RAM, I'm not really that active in the Nexus One community since I don't yet have the phone, so don't quote me on this though.

Eclair~ said:
I believe people here have been working on a RAM hack for the Nexus One to allow it to use more of the available RAM, I'm not really that active in the Nexus One community since I don't yet have the phone, so don't quote me on this though.
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Actually, you're pretty much correct. If you're rooted, you can flash the updated kernel and your phone will utilize all the available RAM. Still waiting for Google to give us an OTA, since I'm not rooting this puppy.

[Q] Android camcorder 720p

I have seen some discussions about this in other threads but as usual someone half answers a question and then a group of idiots argue about something pointless for a few pages and then the thread gets forgotten about.
Lets hope this one doesn't go the same way.
Where are we with 720p on android? - note I am not interested in whether you think it is necessary or how it compares to an SLR, other Phone or your kitchen sink, I am just interested to know whether anyone has got it working in 720p, how it is working and whether it is any good.

It's internal to the kernel, from what I understand, and they have to find the drivers. I believe the camera is capable. However writing that to the SD card as ur running Android off it might be a problem. That being said I seen the devs discussing it the other day on irc. Seems as though its low in the priority list after nand release. Maybe in the future maybe not..
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squish099 said:
It's internal to the kernel, from what I understand, and they have to find the drivers. I believe the camera is capable. However writing that to the SD card as ur running Android off it might be a problem. That being said I seen the devs discussing it the other day on irc. Seems as though its low in the priority list after nand release. Maybe in the future maybe not..
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That sums it up. It will probably come one day, but right now the devs have bigger fish to fry.

I really would like 720p even tho the lens is total crap. But hey . give the devs some time to finish the NAND release. After that they might look into 720p recording At least.. i hope

Darkstone is actually trying to work on this, just needs hd/z kernel source for the drivers. He was talking about it about an hour ago on irc with markinus.
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I think 720P video recording would be the cats ass so to speak. Ive seen some sample video taken by an X10 on youtube with the 2.1 update that includes the HD recording (not yet released yet = lame). It was a hell of a lot better than the current video recording i can take with the phone. Whether or not it happens on the HD2 is up to the dev community that supports the device. Just wait a couple of years and phones are going to be f'ing amazing!
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cool, nice to know people are still working on it. Thanks
This is the kind of thing we should expect once it is working, if you ignore the wobbles the quality is very good in decent light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpUb_baSpY

Would you buy a NEW Nexus S for $395.10?

I'm a proud Vibrant owner, rooted with Nero 4.1 & Voodo. I have a 16gb external SD card filled with personal files, music, and movies. I purchased my Vibrant for a little over $450 at T-Mobile and spent exrta money on a 16gb SD card, and a protective cover.
Today (01/14/2010), I can go to Best Buy and use a special 'Buy Back' program and they will give me $165 for my Vibrant on a in-store gift card. I can then turn around and purchase a Nexus S with it.
Nexus S is $529.99 - $165.00 = $364.99 + %8.29 (Sales Tax) = $395.10
Knowing how close the Nexus S is to the Vibrant, would you shell out 400 clams for the 'Pure Google Experience'? Whats your take? I have an idea, but why should I buy something that my rooted Vibrant can do except a FFC?? Opinions?
The Nexus S doesn't even have an external SD slot.

Yes you getting google updates but you are missing the sd slot. Thats a total buzzkill for me.
Im just going to continue supporting the dev's here at xda and maybe be brave and install the ffc.

not unless the money was burning a hole in my pocket
they're practically the same phone. not worth it imo

At the time I bought the Vibrant the only real difference between it and others in its class was the up to 48 gigs of storage (16 internal, up to 32 external). Save your money you have a great phone, thanks in large part to the devs here. We'll have Gingerbread soon.
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Absolutely not.
You're basically getting 30% of the total value of the phone. The vibrant, even without the updates, is still worth more then $165.
The nexus S is definitely worth $400, but if your giving up a device thats worth more then $165 to get the $400 price tag, nuh uh. Don't do it. Not worth it at all.

you could get more $$ in here in the marketplace....a then use that money to buy any other phone you want...

Not at all. It just doesn't feel like the additions to the S make it any better than a rooted Vibrant especially with the loss of the SD slot.

Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.

SamsungVibrant said:
Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.
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I agree with everyone about the bad marketing decisions Samsung is taking. Which explains how every Galaxy S series phones throughout the world received Froyo except for the 4 sim-lock carriers in the US.
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Respectfully, I disagree with you about the Nexus S. Even though the hardware is from Samsung (which NO other phone out there can beat the Super AMOLED screen). Google has already sent an update to the Nexus S to 2.3.1. Owning a Google phone like the Nexus S is guaranteeing Android updates.

the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter

No. My next phone will have a dual core processor.

lolcopter said:
the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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DITTO on that! Except I heard that dual core is a drain on the battery. We don't have battery technology as of yet to give a substantial user experience to last as long as what superphones do now.

Stick with your Vibrant or sell it on Craigslist or Ebay or something, but getting $165 for it is a complete rip-off.

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the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software

zephiK said:
have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software
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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back

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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back
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it doesnt matter if rooted ROMs are available, what matters is that Samsung isn't open sourcing the kernel for 2.2.
Open sourced kernels allows development to move even further. OC'd kernels for the Vibrant are based off the I9000 kernel, which results into poor battery life.
Also, all ROMs built for the Vibrant are pretty much using the base of TouchWiz. Now im not complaining about TouchWiz, I do like a lot of the aspects from it. The Power Widget on the notification bar was a great start; but the fact is that Samsung is not reliable when it comes to software updates. The one plus with TouchWiz is the video codecs.
The Nexus S is a unlocked bootloader from the very beginning with easy commands to unlock and lock it. It is made in mind that its a device primarily made to be hacked with. It is backed by Google.
Not to mention.. the Nexus S at this point has more love from CyanogenMod than the Vibrant. The Vibrant and Galaxy S series dev community is too split between each other. The Nexus S is the same in the UK and USA, therefore.. it allows further collaboration with each other.
In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
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Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.

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In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
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lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
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i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.
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i would tell those people to do their research before making such a large purchase. i knew full well samsung's history when i bought my vibrant. i knew there might be a good chance they'd jerk consumers around and delay updates. if i was running stock, i would be furious... but i bought an android phone full well knowing that i would be modding it... a lot.
lastly, team whiskey > cyanogenmod

Nope..
I will not buy anything else made by Samsung. Back in the 80's / 90's they built the absolute best quality products with great support. I've been fighting with my GPS for too long and they didn't make it right. There was going to be a 2.2 update in August and it still hasn't happend (except for the great XDA devs). My first Android device was a HTC (g1) and my next one will be as well.

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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
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It's not all about you. People have their different reasons for having phones:
1) Flash Addict: Always wanting something to flash. With a developer phone like Nexus S (or any other phone that is popular in the modding community)
2) Normal user
.. and so forth. All ROMs in general has one thing in mind: increasing its speed.
lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
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Again.. this is not all about you at all. Some people are more heavy users when it comes to battery than others. Nevertheless, the 15% mark is annoying and should be removed. Hacked camera.apk does this but not incorporated in all Vibrant ROMs.
i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
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What you said makes absolutely no sense. Grammar check. I personally don't care about Samsung not updating to 2.2 because I don't use a Vibrant anymore, but I still have the phone.
All your points aren't even valid. You're just trying to start a war without pointing out what I said but going AROUND them because you can't defeat my points.
My point is that it just depends on what kind of person you are. And you can say whatever your opinion is about CyanogenMod and Team Whiskey, you just seem like a ignorant individual who is difficult to argue with because they are so close minded. They're both composed of great developers but the additions that CyanogenMod includes is just too significant to add. Am I saying that you're wrong for believing what you do? No.. you have a opinion, I'm not going to try and beg you to change your mind.
CyanogenMod actually complies from AOSP source whereas Team Whiskey base their ROMs from the OTA. You wouldn't understand this since you don't use a phone that is CyanogenMod supported (don't even start with G1.. that phone is so outdated that it isn't even capable of taking full advantage of CM7).
I'm sure when CM7 stable is released, TW will start basing their releases off CM7. And you know what? It is built on top of CM7... so whos the better team then? I'm not going to go for one particular side because a developer is a developer. They aren't in this to get any accreditation from the community. They just do it as a hobby. Quit thinking that CyanogenMod & TW are like the rivalry between NVIDIA & AMD/ATI.
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[Q] Android Development Phones: worth the investment?

All
Newbie posting here. Apologies in advice for a misplaced or repetitious post.
Could the forum weigh in on the pros and cons of the Android Development phones (Android Dev 2 and Nexus One)?
Are they worth the money?
Do they significantly improve productivity?
Do they give a sense of the types of errors we would have with different phones (cross-device errors)?
Thanks!
Cheers, S

The only reason I bought the Nexus one was to deal with HTC's disaster they called multi-touch. Other than that, I own devices based on resolution to make sure everything fits every screen. The actual adp phones aren't necessary.

I don't think it's important to have an 'official' developer phone.
What I've found with my nexus is that it's buggier than most production phones because google don't put the same amount of polish in.
Probably waste time trying to fix issues that appear on the nexus that most other phones won't have.

I had ADP1 but as next phone I bought SGS and I believe that it is better option if you are not hacking ROMs.
In our country you lose warranty if you change ROM on regular phone. I believe that for dev phones this is not true. So this is probably major difference between official dev and stock phone.
Tom
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I do most of my testing on a standard non-rooted HTC desire. I also use the emulator to test different resolutions.
I just don't see what benefit a developer phone really gives you.

The benefit to me is no crappy, bloated U.I's like Sense/Touchwiz etc and the promise of first in line for OTA updates.

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the promise of first in line for OTA updates.
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Yea the 'promise'. If google were really looking out for developers the nexus one would have had gingerbread the day it was released with the nexus s

athornz said:
Yea the 'promise'. If google were really looking out for developers the nexus one would have had gingerbread the day it was released with the nexus s
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Sigh @ this. Google is a business. Google has a new phone that is exclusively Gingerbread. Put two and two together. You would also keep the Nexus S exclusive for a bit to try to make more sales.
It's time to upgrade from your Nexus One to the Nexus S

If you already have an android phone than I wouldn't worry about it because you can test your apps on the emulator to test for different screen sizes, and then use your phone for more accurate testing in terms of performance

Yes and no.
Yes. Android should work the way it should on Dev phone so in theory, if it work on a dev phone, it should work on ALL android phones.
No. You can get by with the emulator. It works pretty well.
IRL situation. We write app for people. You're going to have to test it on more than enough devices. Trust us. We hate Samsungs. But guess what? We have 2 of them to test because when things works on one phone, they may not on others.
Go with general devices. But if you want to get by cheap, get a HD2. Put android on it. That way you can test stock 2.2, 2.3 and sense crap.

Atrix to do 1080p video capture

Via a software update, the Atrix will eventually upgrade its 720p video capture to a full-HD 1080p. The best just got better
http://androidandme.com/2011/01/phones/motorola-atrix-4g-will-gain-1080p-video-capture-post-launch/

It was suppose to come out boosting 1080p from getco ...not wait for a update ****...the lg optimus 2x has it from beggining ...
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I wonder how long att will delay this update, you know like that froyo update from samsung...

Well, at least the update IS coming. And Motorola has a much better track record for Android updates than Samsung. And now that the iPhone is no longer AT&T exclusive, I doubt we will see so much interference on AT&T's part since iPhone will not longer be their cash crop...

I may be wrong, but I never saw it in the original specs of the Atrix. I don't think it was ever meant to be "from the get go", as it was always said from the beginning that it was a big advantage for the LG O2X, and now it isn't so much.

And what I have noticed is that the specs seem to vary based on the source...

Yes, well this is probably as official as it gets:
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx
And I think where ajftl is right about 1080p from the start is for video playback. I haven't checked it up on the early Engadget articles, but I believe it was stated that playback was 1080p and capture was 720p. Now it seems it will be 720p at launch for both, and 1080p for both after the software update. Anyway, 1080p is there, though I agree it sucks to have to wait for an update with no release date announced, but this is far from a deal breaker for me.

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It was suppose to come out boosting 1080p from getco ...not wait for a update ****...the lg optimus 2x has it from beggining ...
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They never said it would come out with 1080p video recording. They said it will launch with 1080p playback.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/cliq-xt-wont-get-android-2-1-upgrade-motorolas-word-as-good-a/
Motorola actually doesn't have that good of a track record.

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/cliq-xt-wont-get-android-2-1-upgrade-motorolas-word-as-good-a/
Motorola actually doesn't have that good of a track record.
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No ****. U take motorola's history of lying and giving up on updates, then add AT&T's Galaxy S history (Froyo promised since November now), and you can safely say - you won't get 1080p before you have grandkids and no longer care about it.

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I wonder how long att will delay this update, you know like that froyo update from samsung...
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Well, my old abortion of a Backflip got Eclair some time ago courtesy of Motorola. Motorola is slow, but compared to Samsung they are speed demons at rolling out updates.

The Droid X gets updates pretty regularly. The cliq was a POS, so I can understand how that would take a while.

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No ****. U take motorola's history of lying and giving up on updates, then add AT&T's Galaxy S history (Froyo promised since November now), and you can safely say - you won't get 1080p before you have grandkids and no longer care about it.
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Not just AT&T's Galaxy S history... all the carriers haven't gotten updates like they should. Samsung's fault, not AT&T's. Also, BGR's review said that it plays 1080p just fine already.
You can browse and play your music, photos, and HD videos right from the phone, even 1080p video content plays back just fine.
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http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/09/motorola-atrix-4g-review/
Nobody's addressed it yet in the reviews, so who knows? Maybe it can record 1080p already, too.

If it don't come with it I don't think it will have it with the way that have been updating devices lately

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If it don't come with it I don't think it will have it with the way that have been updating devices lately
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Somebody posted like 2 or 3 posts above you that the Droid X gets updates regularly. Why would the Atrix be any different? What updates (or lack thereof) are you referring to? If I had to guess, I'd say that you're probably talking about Samsung, but Samsung isn't Motorola. Samsung apparently would like to sell you a device and then work on selling you another one instead of providing updates. But that has nothing to do with AT&T.

I remember 1080p video recording being pushed as a feature by moto at CES, and I remember seeing it both on moto's and at&t's site right at launch, but I don't have any proof of this. I'm trying to convince a store manager of these facts, and he has asked for some kind of proof. If anyone has anything, I'd love to see it. thanks.

Motorola did state that we will be able to record and play @1080 and it was on their official website for a little while, until they decided to take it down.....which caused confusion among some users.
Anyway, why do we need moto to release this "upgrade" when we already have awesome devs who made this possible months ago?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191801
Here is what recording @1080p looks like on my Atrix:
http://youtu.be/aAS6V6Dr-ds

Jibraldor said:
Anyway, why do we need moto to release this "upgrade" when we already have awesome devs who made this possible months ago?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191801
Here is what recording @1080p looks like on my Atrix:
http://youtu.be/aAS6V6Dr-ds
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Already multiple threads disproving the validity of the 1080p hacks as not true, and the resulting videos being of inferior quality to the stock 720p videos. The update for 1080p will most likely update the cameras firmware. If 1080p was as easy as a build.prop edit we would have had this ability from Moto a long time ago.
Whatever the update is, it wont be as simple as an edit.
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Already multiple threads disproving the validity of the 1080p hacks as not true, and the resulting videos being of inferior quality to the stock 720p videos. The update for 1080p will most likely update the cameras firmware. If 1080p was as easy as a build.prop edit we would have had this ability from Moto a long time ago.
Whatever the update is, it wont be as simple as an edit.
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This is why I posted that specific method/thread; because I tried it myself and there was improvement in terms of video quality as well as the video being twice the size of 720p . I have tried it myself and it works flawlessly on my phone so.... Don't think motorola will do a better job in my case.....if they do decide to release the update.
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