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[DISCUSS] [POLL] Sony Ericsson Xperia Play - A Breakthrough for Android gaming?

Does anyone else think that due to SE releasing an Android based "PSP" phone we will finally get to see more and more high-quality games on our android phones?
Personally I won't be buying the Xperia play but I strongly believe that due to it's release a lot more developers will jump on the android gaming bandwagon, which will then obviously benefit a range of Android phone owners (Desire HD anyone?)
So whats your opinion? Will the Xperia play help Android reach or even exceed the gaming quality we have seen on the Iphone? (no fart apps, in terms of 3D FPS, RPG, etc....). Will the Xperia be such a breakthrough that developers will (finally) dump iOS and develope for Android first!?

I really hope the games reeased on the Play will have no soft keys and all the leaching oppurtunisists will finally buy atleast the consolse

No, games are coming anyways. Especially now that Nvidia has there own app/market for quality games.

vetvito said:
No, games are coming anyways. Especially now that Nvidia has there own app/market for quality games.
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Problem is Tegra Zone only works with Tegra devices. The Xperia play is built on snapdragon scorpion.
The Xperia Play will bring a different crowd in. One of the benefits of it is there will be Playstation games you can download and play, and that some games on Android are optimized for the controller. It really won't bring anything major in though, since as far as gpu goes it's not all that much faster than what we have now.

Correction-Tegra Zone is available to any device with a resolution of 480x800, and running Android 2.1.

I hope that more good games come out; there are some good ones now but personally, I think that games are better if you have separate controls.

I think it's brilliant. But I also call it the Emulator Phone. I'm going to rock it ASAP since no one will release a decent Bluetooth gamepad.
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Yes and no.
I've tried one and it's very nice, the gameplay is surprisingly smooth.
The one clear advantage it has is the bespoke gaming controls. In that respect no other Android handset can compete.
The problem with it, as with SE in general, is the tech is behind the curve.
There are handsets being released with much more processing capability that would provide a better gaming experience if properly utilised.
If SE had made used some sort of dual-core CPU or better yet the same CPU as the NGP will use then it would undoubtedly be the cream of the crop for gaming on Android, as it is it will face stiff competition and content is likely to be the deciding factor. In that respect, SE have a slight edge as they're using Sony's existing ties with games developers to bring in exclusive titles to the Play but I would imagine that a lot of games developers will also look to bring their games to a wider market as well.
Only time will tell how successful SE's strategy will be...

Step666 said:
Yes and no.
I've tried one and it's very nice, the gameplay is surprisingly smooth.
The one clear advantage it has is the bespoke gaming controls. In that respect no other Android handset can compete.
The problem with it, as with SE in general, is the tech is behind the curve.
There are handsets being released with much more processing capability that would provide a better gaming experience if properly utilised.
If SE had made used some sort of dual-core CPU or better yet the same CPU as the NGP will use then it would undoubtedly be the cream of the crop for gaming on Android, as it is it will face stiff competition and content is likely to be the deciding factor. In that respect, SE have a slight edge as they're using Sony's existing ties with games developers to bring in exclusive titles to the Play but I would imagine that a lot of games developers will also look to bring their games to a wider market as well.
Only time will tell how successful SE's strategy will be...
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as someone on engadget said, i think the reason SE went with "lower end hardware" is because they wanted the lowest common denominator for the PS suite games, if the PS suite games are built around the play's processor/GPU it should mean higher end phones can run the games without issue

silvacrest said:
as someone on engadget said, i think the reason SE went with "lower end hardware" is because they wanted the lowest common denominator for the PS suite games, if the PS suite games are built around the play's processor/GPU it should mean higher end phones can run the games without issue
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Given their clearly-stated intention to restrict compatibility to a small range of 'certified' handsets, that point is moot IMO.
They could easily have used higher-spec hardware themselves and only certified equally high-spec handsets.
As it stands, the Play aside, the only phones that will definitely be able to play the Playstation branded games are Tegra2 handsets, which are definitely better specced than the Play.

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Correction-Tegra Zone is available to any device with a resolution of 480x800, and running Android 2.1.
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Well,the Tegra Zone app itself will work with any device with the specs you mentioned,but games will run only on Tegra devices,so it's no good.

It all depends on how well the games can be played without Xperia Play.
I'd rather carry a phone with qwerty key pad than a game pad.

Those are 10 games out the 50 that will be available... keep in mind that those games are re-designed to work with the game-pad
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silvacrest said:
as someone on engadget said, i think the reason SE went with "lower end hardware" is because they wanted the lowest common denominator for the PS suite games, if the PS suite games are built around the play's processor/GPU it should mean higher end phones can run the games without issue
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That was me! I said that!
Also, I voted yes cause I'm going to develop for android cause of it.
I just need to find a quick-start guide
I tried the android emulator, but its slow as hell on my PC...

Gaming on android is improving, more and more developers are starting to port their games to droids. However, it has nothing to do with Xperia Play - it's sales are very low, hardware is not good enough, etc.

Unrealwolf said:
it's sales are very low
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Ive been told by retailers there is a shortage
The Rogers guys showing them off at Videogames Live used Verizon's units cause they said there were far too few to waste any on demos
One retailer I went to only got 1.

Unrealwolf said:
Gaming on android is improving, more and more developers are starting to port their games to droids. However, it has nothing to do with Xperia Play - it's sales are very low, hardware is not good enough, etc.
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How is the hardware not good enough?
Nova 2, Cordy, Backstab, Asphalt 6 look good and pay well.
Gingerbread flies on the Xperia Play.

Unrealwolf said:
Gaming on android is improving, more and more developers are starting to port their games to droids. However, it has nothing to do with Xperia Play - it's sales are very low, hardware is not good enough, etc.
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yeah.....forgive me but i call BS, do you even have a source/link to your low sales claim?
as for the hardware not being good enough? no one here will lie and say the play is using the highest specs available but its good enough for everything gaming related on android right now, i dont know if you have a play (but judging from your above comment, i doubt it) but coming from someone who does, its great, if your only looking at reviews/non-confirmed sales/specs and coming to a conclusion your missing out
why has no one mentioned the playstation Suite? i no its still a long way off but its coming and it will be a great source for android phones in general as well as xperia play games

silvacrest said:
yeah.....forgive me but i call BS, do you even have a source/link to your low sales claim?
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Nope. I'm only considering overall enthusiasm about this phone on the internet forums. The enthusiasm is more or less non present at all. Of course, there is still a way that A LOT of people are buying it and, before they could even post on XDA, suddenly dying from an endless joy they recieve from playing those top-notch gameloft games, which all (except for, well, one) has been available for iOS for months, but i find it quite unrealistic.
Anyway, to improve the gaming situation this phone should be popular, i mean, POPULAR, like top HTC or Samsung phones are, with all their multimillion sales. And this phone is not. I suppose, it is even less desireable then it's brother Xperia Arc.
as for the hardware not being good enough? no one here will lie and say the play is using the highest specs available but its good enough for everything gaming related on android right now
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Right now, this phone is outdated. Hardware is good for 2010, but now it is 2011, and there are already some exclusive games that won't even launch on a single-core CPU smartphone. And Play have to survive in this environment for at least a year. The only hope is that Sony will pay for development of a new games especially for Play.
Phone is ideal for emulators, though.
why has no one mentioned the playstation Suite? i no its still a long way off but its coming and it will be a great source for android phones in general as well as xperia play games
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Yep. Let's hope that this thing will really bring something.

this is the best thing to come to retro console emulation... ever
if you are a retro gaming hobbyist... this is the phone to get period.
I don't know how much more enthusiasm people are wanting. There aren't really any identifiable flaws with it and it has the latest and greatest of everything. I personally think this is the best phone ever.
Is it a revolution for handheld gaming in phone form? I think the idea's been done before so no... but put this up agianst a n-gage and see which one wins

PS VITA has arrived, will i ever use my Xperia Play again?

My PS VITA arrived today and i cannot wait to get home to try it.
This got me thinking Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid?
When i first got my Xplay (April 2011) i was over the moon, the potential this phone had was endless. Coming from a Palm Pre it had alot to live up against, (I Love webOS) I find myself with every phone wanting to play games, perfect fit i thought.
However nearly 12 months later and the games i still play the most are all on emulators, N64, PSX, etc all android games that are half decent end up being a let down (personal thoughts of course) GTA3, Dead Space Even (repetitive), all gameloft games!
Maybe i was sold on the hype and potential and not on the actual business plan Sony Erricson had for the Xplay, infact what is it for? causal gamers, emulator nuts? It annoys me that not all android games utilise the gamepad (this is one thing i expected to happen - Its only a litlte bit of code to add isn't it?)
The only real thing that has made me pick my xplay up in the last few months is the amount of support the devs have given it. Kernels, Custom Roms etc (I can do this on nearly any android phone)
I feel i can get rid of my Xplay now, i love android for its customisation options, maybe if there ever was a Xplay 2 they can get it right, make it a proper console like the vita which can make calls and i'll be happy.
My rant, debate, statement whatever i wrote is over.
However my question still remains Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid? Wierdly...........
I think the answer would be yes i would miss it!

blonqe said:
My PS VITA arrived today and i cannot wait to get home to try it.
This got me thinking Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid?
When i first got my Xplay (April 2011) i was over the moon, the potential this phone had was endless. Coming from a Palm Pre it had alot to live up against, (I Love webOS) I find myself with every phone wanting to play games, perfect fit i thought.
However nearly 12 months later and the games i still play the most are all on emulators, N64, PSX, etc all android games that are half decent end up being a let down (personal thoughts of course) GTA3, Dead Space Even (repetitive), all gameloft games!
Maybe i was sold on the hype and potential and not on the actual business plan Sony Erricson had for the Xplay, infact what is it for? causal gamers, emulator nuts? It annoys me that not all android games utilise the gamepad (this is one thing i expected to happen - Its only a litlte bit of code to add isn't it?)
The only real thing that has made me pick my xplay up in the last few months is the amount of support the devs have given it. Kernels, Custom Roms etc (I can do this on nearly any android phone)
I feel i can get rid of my Xplay now, i love android for its customisation options, maybe if there ever was a Xplay 2 they can get it right, make it a proper console like the vita which can make calls and i'll be happy.
My rant, debate, statement whatever i wrote is over.
However my question still remains Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid? Wierdly...........
I think the answer would be yes i would miss it!
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Congratulation on having PSVita
But I really don't care if you are gonna get rid of your xperia play or not.
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I suggest you keep your Xperia Play cause end of the day it's a phone and you can make calls with it AND just keep it because you have got emulators on it.

Vita has arrived... and yet we STILL don't have the damn playstation store....

When Gameboy Advance came, did you miss your Gameboy color?
I've ordered a HTC chacha, because I miss the keyboard, and I feel that's petter then a gamepad, even if the chacha is not as powerful as the play.
I'm happy with my Vita and my chacha
My xperia play is in the box, ready to sell.

Well you say what you pay the most on it is emulators, so yeah you'll still use it, you're not getting emulators until the Vita gets hacked, and even then the Xperia Play has more good games. At the minute the Vita isn't a portable games console, it's a portable Uncharted console.

Rogue Leader said:
Vita has arrived... and yet we STILL don't have the damn playstation store....
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Agreed. Where's the Playstation Suite ??

sufy1000 said:
Agreed. Where's the Playstation Suite ??
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Ditto. WTH
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Rogue Leader said:
Vita has arrived... and yet we STILL don't have the damn playstation store....
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playstation store will most likely be with ICS so everything is pushed to the play at once
also 3 hours vita vs upto 8 hours xplay best idea would be to keep both and try use the vita for vita games and everything else phone

Well I can understand your view. Even I've stopped gaming on my XPlay since gameloft slowed down on releasing new games for android.
And myself I'm planning to get the new Xperia S after few month's of its release or wait till the dev section in XDA gets little populated with custom kernels/roms etc. And I'm not sure about carrying another device(Vita) in my pocket except my phone.
But by next year hopefully we see an XPlay 2 with better specs and much better support but I highly doubt Sony will do that since it will create competition against its own product which is the new Vita.
But on the other hand I have fingers crossed for HTC to release a phone with gamepad. Why so? Because latest rumor has that some new HTC devices will get PS certified from Sony. Which means there are chances of another phone with gamepad or maybe it will simply be like a "PS certified" device like Xperia S. Which makes no sense at all.
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bornotty said:
Well I can understand your view. Even I've stopped gaming on my XPlay since gameloft slowed down on releasing new games for android.
And myself I'm planning to get the new Xperia S after few month's of its release or wait till the dev section in XDA gets little populated with custom kernels/roms etc. And I'm not sure about carrying another device(Vita) in my pocket except my phone.
But by next year hopefully we see an XPlay 2 with better specs and much better support but I highly doubt Sony will do that since it will create competition against its own product which is the new Vita.
But on the other hand I have fingers crossed for HTC to release a phone with gamepad. Why so? Because latest rumor has that some new HTC devices will get PS certified from Sony. Which means there are chances of another phone with gamepad or maybe it will simply be like a "PS certified" device like Xperia S. Which makes no sense at all.
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I've cut back on my PLAY time as well, mainly because I've beaten every game I have (that I wanted to beat, excluding Splinter Cell which just sucks), and the only ones I don't have that I'd like to play are Shadowgun, MC3, and BackStab. I'm waiting for a sale to buy them as I refuse to pay full price of a GL game when they hand them out for a buck every few months.
Waiting for or hoping for some more games with depth, otherwise I may get a Vita as well.
As for HTC I don't see them making a niche phone like this, and in fact I think its entirely possible we will never see an Xperia PLAY 2, as they 1 wont want to compete with the Vita, and 2 mucked it up the first time around.
EDIT: If I have to wait for ICS on the PLAY to get the Playstation Suite I may as well get a Vita and ditch this phone at my next upgrade, because Verizon hasn't even given us 2.3.4 yet, gonna be a cold day before we get ICS.

Get a vita, play it in public, never get laid again.
Pretty funny though you guys got to go out and replace this with 2 seperate high end products.

Rogue Leader said:
I've cut back on my PLAY time as well, mainly because I've beaten every game I have (that I wanted to beat, excluding Splinter Cell which just sucks), and the only ones I don't have that I'd like to play are Shadowgun, MC3, and BackStab. I'm waiting for a sale to buy them as I refuse to pay full price of a GL game when they hand them out for a buck every few months.
Waiting for or hoping for some more games with depth, otherwise I may get a Vita as well.
As for HTC I don't see them making a niche phone like this, and in fact I think its entirely possible we will never see an Xperia PLAY 2, as they 1 wont want to compete with the Vita, and 2 mucked it up the first time around.
EDIT: If I have to wait for ICS on the PLAY to get the Playstation Suite I may as well get a Vita and ditch this phone at my next upgrade, because Verizon hasn't even given us 2.3.4 yet, gonna be a cold day before we get ICS.
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Verizon does suck, doubtful we will ever get ICS. Also didnt I read somewhere in the begining of Dec that they were traning their employees for the Xperia PLAY LTE? Guess that never panned out. I really like my PLAY but it seems like all the games worth playing are old, and pretty much all dave 2 of the GameLoft games are buggy pieces of crap. The PS Vita has a really nice display but I will never buy a handheld game console anymore, and no its not because I want to get laid I am already married and can get that whenever she wants......because if its me I end up on a milk carton.

The second that I found out that the VITA was not a mobile device I lost interest...
I'm not gonna carry around multiple devices.
And it's true, seeing a PSP/3DS/VITA being played in public makes the person look... juvenile... Of course playing a game on a cell phone doesn't have the same effect. Double standard, I guess.

hairdewx said:
The second that I found out that the VITA was not a mobile device I lost interest...
I'm not gonna carry around multiple devices.
And it's true, seeing a PSP/3DS/VITA being played in public makes the person look... juvenile... Of course playing a game on a cell phone doesn't have the same effect. Double standard, I guess.
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FACT! I had a PSP for 5 years and was single. Sold it, got an xplay and got laid. It's more than just a phone ;-)
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hairdewx said:
The second that I found out that the VITA was not a mobile device I lost interest...
I'm not gonna carry around multiple devices.
And it's true, seeing a PSP/3DS/VITA being played in public makes the person look... juvenile... Of course playing a game on a cell phone doesn't have the same effect. Double standard, I guess.
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Thats my problem... I just can't see myself carrying it. The reason I love the Xperia PLAY is its in my pocket all the time.
When I was a kid I had a Sega Game Gear. I barely used it and ended up selling it for two reasons, 1. was that I had very little money, so if I was gonna spend money on games I was gonna spend it on Genesis games since 2. it was too bulky to carry aground (and the Vita is not much better) meaning aside from long Car rides I rarely carried it around, meaning I played it at home, and when I'm home I'd rather play a game on a TV.

Rogue Leader said:
Thats my problem... I just can't see myself carrying it. The reason I love the Xperia PLAY is its in my pocket all the time.
When I was a kid I had a Sega Game Gear. I barely used it and ended up selling it for two reasons, 1. was that I had very little money, so if I was gonna spend money on games I was gonna spend it on Genesis games since 2. it was too bulky to carry aground (and the Vita is not much better) meaning aside from long Car rides I rarely carried it around, meaning I played it at home, and when I'm home I'd rather play a game on a TV.
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I agree. PS Vita is NOT a phone. Okay it's got better graphics and all that but then the games aspect comes into play. You have to pay £30 for every game. I'd rather play a game on PS3 on a 40'' 3D TV than play it on the Vita's screen.
To be honest i'm happy with my Xperia Play even though some people may not like it. I'm happy with £3 games I spend on it and happy to play them.
As I said I'd rather play games on the PS3 with a big screen.
The Vita is just for people who want to show off

What the hell is with the talk that dedicated handheld gaming consoles look stupid? I play them in public, and I have no issues getting laid. I'd chalk that one to looks. I play a 3ds as well as my xplay. Its the same ****, who cares.
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I've had the Vita since 30 dec [Japanese import] and I can tell you that the only device I carry around is my Xperia Play. Sony has gotten so paranoid over copyright infringement that the Vita is compeltely locked down even on purchases I have already made on the Playstation Network. My existing mini's and PS1 games do not transfer / the content manager is a pain to use, I have to reformat video to get it on the device. Yeah, Unchartered is pretty, but my Vita is collecting dust because it is too frustrating to use and too bulky to carry around. In fact, I rushed to get one because I think sony will discontinue the Vita after a failed US and European release.
Why would Sony put out an Android "playstation phone" and then Vita shortly after - they are hedging their bets, If the Vita fails miserably [which it should in this new gaming environment] then I bet we get an XPeria PLay 2 shortly after.
on the other topic, i'm married which means I rarely get laid

All interesting points!
I got a vita so when my girlfriend is watching soaps and stuff i get to play proper games on the sofa, portbale consoles will never replace the home console, the experience is totally different, e.g i play fifa on my vita same game more or less as my xbox 360 but on a portable system seems different still brilliant and way better than the xplsy version, i will still play the home console version over vita anytime big screen and surround sound!
vita is great for my purpose, sofa, work, long trips, cant take my 360 or ps3!
my play just didnt give me yhe same satisfaction, apart from the emulators i mentioned in my op.
and fir ppl saying 40 quid is too much, i agree but these are way better quality games then the 3 quid ones on phones.
i think its time for game companys to start releasing double play, triple plays like blu ray movies.
by one game for 40quid, play it on ya home, portable console and ya phone
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Xperia play 2 - patent submitted

So finally maybe some taste of what will be the next xperia play ?
http://www.reghardware.com/2012/04/27/sony_planned_xperia_play_with_dual_keyboard_design/
"both a gamepad and a physical keyboard pieced together through two sliding drawers tucked behind the phone's display."
will it be for real ? or just another lost patent ?

This should be in the general section.

**** YOU ITS FAKE
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**** YOU ITS FAKE
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Watch your language bro. And how is the patent fake? http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...0426 AND AN/Sony&RS=(PD/20120426 AND AN/Sony)

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fake? this is from USA patent : aiw2.uspto.gov
(i worked with safari browser to view this): http://aiw2.uspto.gov/.aiw?Docid=20...ageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=D5289BDDE036

it is from 2010 (before xperia play 1)
it is just a concept

this was featured on the app drippler
and it was infact an old concept for the xperia play one
back in 2010 like a previous user stated

Don't you people realise, sony patented this ONLY so their competitors couldn't make it?
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If Sony were really going to launch an Xperia Play 2 or whatever I think they would not have the picture of its predecessor for the conference don't you?
Personally I think its for the PS Suite.

This is a two year old patent, I seriously doubt it would be the Play2, besides it seems like it would be going backwards anyway, why ditch the second analogue and make it so much like the PSP Go?
This is not going to be Play2.

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+1 I agree with this guy people need to STOP making these stupid threads every couple weeks about the xplay 2. Wake up people its all BS until sony says so all these articles are just what ifs and artist renderings which mean absolutely nothing!!!!
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I don't understand why people keep calling this fake. It's a patent. It was taken out by Sony. It was only just recently granted by the US Patent and Trademark Office which is why it's making the news now.
It's not a fake. It's a real patent.
Now, do I think that it will be the design for the new Xperia Play? No.
But that's not to say that the idea (physical keyboard AND game pad) won't be incorporated into the new design, if they even decide to make another play (let's face it... I love my play, but it was a bit of a flop).
I hope they don't incorporate it. I hate the idea of it. But, it's interesting to see none the less.
What's wrong with a bit of idle speculation on the next gen of our current phone? These forums are so negative these days.

d31b0y said:
I don't understand why people keep calling this fake. It's a patent. It was taken out by Sony. It was only just recently granted by the US Patent and Trademark Office which is why it's making the news now.
It's not a fake. It's a real patent.
Now, do I think that it will be the design for the new Xperia Play? No.
But that's not to say that the idea (physical keyboard AND game pad) won't be incorporated into the new design, if they even decide to make another play (let's face it... I love my play, but it was a bit of a flop).
I hope they don't incorporate it. I hate the idea of it. But, it's interesting to see none the less.
What's wrong with a bit of idle speculation on the next gen of our current phone? These forums are so negative these days.
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This patent is pre-xperia play 1.
Seeing as the Play was a commercial flop I really doubt a Play 2.
If there is then it wont be under the Play name
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CTU_Loscombe said:
This patent is pre-xperia play 1.
Seeing as the Play was a commercial flop I really doubt a Play 2.
If there is then it wont be under the Play name
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For starters, MS filed Halo related patients before Halo 3, that they have still not used. It's called covering your back. And secondly now sony have bought out ericsson, there will no doubt be an Xplay 2. And IMO without ericssons input, i'm expecting a much better product. It may even be sonys future flagship device.
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AndroHero said:
For starters, MS filed Halo related patients before Halo 3, that they have still not used. It's called covering your back. And secondly now sony have bought out ericsson, there will no doubt be an Xplay 2. And IMO without ericssons input, i'm expecting a much better product. It may even be sonys future flagship device.
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Just because Sony bought out Ericsson doesn't guarantee a Play 2 at all.
Even if it is just Sony covering their backs it doesn't mean its going to see the light of day just because there is a patent.
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CTU_Loscombe said:
This patent is pre-xperia play 1.
Seeing as the Play was a commercial flop I really doubt a Play 2.
If there is then it wont be under the Play name
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the Ngage was a bigger flop and still saw another version, same with the moto cliq
sony missed a great opportunity to make the play really worth while, simply adding PSP1 games would have been a great start, but this also leaves room for improvement for the play 2, which i have no doubt will arrive sooner or later
the hype before we knew what the play was, was immense, sony would do well to listen to what customers wanted and give it to us

Yeah, and I can't wait until Microsoft releases this too:
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/23/microsoft-patents-modular-windows-phone-with-swappable-batteries/
But yeah, patents don't always mean we're getting a product any time soon - they're often just an indication of research and development projects or just some cooky idea an employee had. Some might become products; some might be used defensively; some might just make the company's patent portfolio sound more impressive/valuable.
~Troop

silvacrest said:
the Ngage was a bigger flop and still saw another version, same with the moto cliq
sony missed a great opportunity to make the play really worth while, simply adding PSP1 games would have been a great start, but this also leaves room for improvement for the play 2, which i have no doubt will arrive sooner or later
the hype before we knew what the play was, was immense, sony would do well to listen to what customers wanted and give it to us
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N-Gage didn't get a sequel. It got a redesign. Same Symbian S60 OS. Same everything (bar some features).
Also don't count the Nokia N95 or N96 in there either as that was just the N-Gage gaming brand.
On the hype side, that's all it was...hype. They pulled a Sega by advertising their product without showing the device or anything like that. Sega did that with the Dreamcast. Showed the swirl logo in the clouds on one ad but didn't show the Sega or Dreamcast name anywhere.
Again, like the N-Gage, another flop (I liked the Dreamcast personally)
I don't think Sony is blind. They know the Play was a flop. What company is going to lay their chips on the table and launch a sequel to a failed piece of hardware?
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/04/24/sony-mobile-prepping-gaming-announcement-for-2-may/
Well there goes my hopes for an Xperia Play 2 Announcement/
2012 has been so full of disappointments for me its insane

I knew it
Being right is awesome sometimes
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The OUYA console... is it doomed? Inquiring minds want to know...

I just wanted to bring up a few thoughts I've had about the upcoming OUYA console, and see what you guys think.
1. I still don't really understand how/why all of this couldn't have been handled by simply creating a GoogleTV-specific OUYA app...?
2. Besides the OUYA's dedicated game-centric market, and their custom controller, what does one really gain that is not already available in the Android ecosystem?
3. How do they plan to prevent their entire custom OS (Or their individual apps) from being ported to other Tegra-based GTV devices in the future? Or, given their outright support for hacking the device, would they even care?
4. And then there's this: Google reportedly making a Game Center for Android
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-reportedly-making-a-Game-Center-for-Android_id30026/
If one was to pair the above (hypothetical) "GTV Game Center" app with a Google-branded "Nexus Controller," wouldn't the entire OUYA become pointless? Would you prefer an app/service that is fully integrated with the entire Google ecosystem, rather than a custom version of the OS and functionality that are outside of (or weakly tied to) said ecosystem?
That said, I still plan to buy a OUYA, but only because I'm a sucker for shiny new toys -- especially of the Android variety! :laugh:
What are your thoughts? Am I "over thinking" this console? Do you think it will be made pointless by an evolution of the GTV?
I'm just looking for friendly debate, so please keep it civil...

150+ views and nobody has any thoughts on these questions? lol...ok, fair enough, was worth a shot.

I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.

atoktoto said:
I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.
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Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
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I hope someone releases an overclocked kernal for it, so we can get some real power

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mistermentality said:
Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
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I hope you are referring to mobile device gpus/cpus because they are nowhere near the best you can get in desktops or even laptops or that matter.

It seems interesting and I do want to have one but I kinda want to see what games it gets first before buying, if it doesn't have anything that'll interest me then it would be a waste.

Halmo said:
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Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.

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Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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But won't the Ouya be trying to compete with the likes of other home consoles? Because if it is, it is considerably underpowered compared to them.

First, I was an earlier KS backer.
Those who have order one by now, release this is not meant necessarily to complete with an Xbox or Playstation. They're going after a slightly different gaming market.
The problem I see with Ouya is that it can be a bit of redundant machine. What does it do that can't be done with a decent smartphone? You may need a rooted phone, but one can hook up a controller, connect to a TV. It's more the mobile game developers adding in controller support. That said, talk about annoying trying up your phone to play games. Having to hook up the phone to the TV every time.
But I think it could be a nice entry point for small game developers to get into the livingroom. New developers to try to get into the market without going broke or closing the doors if a game fails. Allow gamer to fiddle with their consoles.
On the positive side, if the Wii can find success, maybe there is a room for something like the Ouya too. The Wii showed, if it's fun to play, a cheap machine can make it.
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Plus with announcement it's going to be sold a Target, Bestbuy, Amazon and a few other stores, will help with getting numbers sold, which can help bring some of the bigger game developers to the platform.

I'm excited for the OUYA, but not for reasons they'd probably like. I'll be getting one later down the line, once someone slaps new firmware out there for it. I really don't like the idea of them trying to push their own version of a marketplace and basically building on top of Android for their own purposes. I get it, but I don't feel it's necessary and splintering Android further than it already is needs to stop.
In short, my idea is to see how this device would fare for an AIO media center. It'll hook up to a TV just fine already, it runs Android, and it has its own controller! So once it's running stock (and by stock I inherently mean CM), I'll have a media center PC essentially ready to go- I've got everything already hosted on a NAS so as long as it's on the network, bam.
I checked that link for basically Google's version of a game center, but that date was about a year ago- I think Google's a bit busy with KLP and I/O coming up. Then again they're a secretive company, but I don't think a game device could top up there with their big bombs they'll be dropping - that being Glass and KLP.
edit: Oh, and this may go towards a second device or supercede my media center plans- but I've been toying with the idea of Android as a desktop ever since 4.2 came out with multiple users. I think with OUYA it could be manageably done, or at least to the point where it could be a fun little hobby project to see what limitations I run into.

I don't think it can keep up with the graphics needed...i mean they might as well have marketed a universal market controller with the ability to miracast your phone. the device has Tegra 3, but Tegra 4 just came out. MY real question is why buy a phone and then buy another device to play games on when it has same specs...i'd rather just use my phone and stream it (with controller)...
other devices like ps3/xbox/ps4 are actually powerful. Unless a really cheap device like this is backed by nice hardware like Nvidia's Grid. It really isn't too useful. of course, this is all in my opinion.
Kinda reminds me of Ubuntu phone's concept. However, the phone's specs aren't up to do everything you'd want to so i guess the Ubuntu phone/desktop thing could be handy for average users that don't need super powerful pcs.

mistermentality said:
Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.

AFAinHD said:
The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.
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Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).

nessonic said:
Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).
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Oh, so the Ouya will be competing with the likes of the Atari Flashback? That makes sense.

And with people making snide, smartass comments with no real backing (or point beyond insulting a product) behind them... This conversation just lost any point and validity.

When I first saw the Ouya and all the info I admit was very happy yet very sad, sad indeed... happy for thoose pioneers and innovation at finest, daredevils! but the device is doomed to die from day 1, why? here:
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Smallest game console in the world, doesnt need AC (draws from internal battery), that "stick" plugs directly into the HDMI, yeah, THATS the console, closer specs compared to ouya, second version may kill the ouya (in terms of graphics), also a lot more portable plus you can use the controller with any bluetooth device (pc, tablet, phone). Did I mention cheap? ($100 or so dollars)
Now to the not so expensive side ($150 or so US dollars), again ouya killer... :crying:
Emulates from nes*, Snes, Gba and neogeo to PSone* and N64*, PSP emulator is getting better and better. PSone.. yeah, you got 2 analog sticks, d-pad, 4 frontal buttons, select and start buttons in the side, R1, L1, R2 and L2 buttons! yeah 4 freaking shoulder buttons!!! holy sh!t ( reason I'm buying this), stereo speakers, and HDMI! gaming on the big screen!! 1080p video playback, and mapping buttons (this means you can map the fisical buttons to the on-screen ones, so you can play ANY game on the market... maybe not angry birds... but you don't want this device to play anrgy birds :silly.
These JXD guys had done a lot of tablets, gaming tablets and psp wannabes, so their expertise paid with this one.
*emulators included
Lastly both of them already on sale!
I already ordered mine :victory: but I live in Mexico... so will take some time but yeah, ouya is doomed.
Official site with specs and more pictures
Bought it here
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dj_techwiz said:
I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.
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Indeed, its no use if developers dont add support for the controller, and 70% games in android use touch screen, so, bumpy road ahead.

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Well, if you're honestly going to bring up 'games aren't about the graphics' when we're talking about a home console (throwing in a comment about text-based games) meant to compete with the Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii U, then yes - you're going to met with snide comments. The GPU's capabilities translate more to being actually able to play the games, and that has little to do with the visual representation.
The Ouya won't be a worthwhile investment at its price. Honestly, it won't. The above two options, especially the latter Wii U gamepad rip off, seem to be a much better choice.
Valve's 'Steam Box' and other equivalents will likely catch the audience the Ouya is trying to get.

Asus Transformer PAD line Playstation Certified

I don't know if any of you follow the facebook page but Asus just annouced three hours ago that it's officially Playstation Mobile Certified.. Sorry if this is old news delete the thread if necessary lol even though its 3 hours ago ahah...
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their the asus page is simple facebook.com/asus
Exciting isn't it? Crash bandicoot here i come

This is most definitely great news. This will bring even more great games to this already great Tablet!

More stuff to do
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forgive my ignorance, but i'm not a gamer, i've heard about the playstation (sony makes it, i think), it's a gaming console, but what does playstation certified mean? does it have something to do with the playstation?

nooktablet said:
forgive my ignorance, but i'm not a gamer, i've heard about the playstation (sony makes it, i think), it's a gaming console, but what does playstation certified mean? does it have something to do with the playstation?
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Hi nook, you're half right it being a console but its become more of a brand name and simply put it means we can officially play games.from the original console without the console of course and for some of us its great news because up until now most people would either rely on third party apps to do that and also having to deal with the issues of finding *legit* copies of the games to run on the apps. I don't know if you're aware of the Sony Ericson xperia play but on that and their tablet they would have a dedicated service or emulation of the original PlayStation games and with exclusive Sony content. But it was Sony device exclusive up until now, HTC had theirs certified first and logically Asus was next with the tegra three and all. All it means that you're going to get more out of your device now and that we're not forgotten especially at the speed Asus is rolling out devices these days.

nice
That is amazing news. Now if only you can have ps3 with android apps. And Google play.

Tuna9351 said:
Hi nook, you're half right it being a console but its become more of a brand name and simply put it means we can officially play games.from the original console without the console of course and for some of us its great news because up until now most people would either rely on third party apps to do that and also having to deal with the issues of finding *legit* copies of the games to run on the apps. I don't know if you're aware of the Sony Ericson xperia play but on that and their tablet they would have a dedicated service or emulation of the original PlayStation games and with exclusive Sony content. But it was Sony device exclusive up until now, HTC had theirs certified first and logically Asus was next with the tegra three and all. All it means that you're going to get more out of your device now and that we're not forgotten especially at the speed Asus is rolling out devices these days.
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how would we get access to these apps? or are they on the market?
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new ion? said:
how would we get access to these apps? or are they on the market?
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There is a special playstation store app for xperia play owner and sony tablet s owners. It has some PS1 games and some other exclusives. The original concept of Playstation Mobile was also to get as sony called it "garage developers" (really hackers and coders) to make applications that would be cross platform for the playstation mobile devices and PS3.
It was a while back but it was also confirmed that PSP games will come to playstation suite. I mean playstation mobile. I could not believe it when I heard it but I did some digging and found the announcment. No idea when but playing PRINNY on my TF300T is full of epic win. Now if they would EVER release KH: BBS on Playstation Store, then PSP really would be obsolete.
Basically it means that in the future we will get certain apps and emulation games that can are cross platform with sony game devices and the certain playstation certified devices. This makes the Tablet S less appealing though but it's a damn smart move. It also shows again how ASUS is the top manufacturer for Android Tablets. Affordable price, bare stock OS with little bloatware, unlocked bootloaders, first tablets (for the most part) to get OS updates and now playstation certified devices.
I use my Onlive app alot to play games so I really wanna see what sony has cooking. I PRAY that sony also brings GAKAI to ASUS Tablets. That would be awesome.

maxvsmith said:
There is a special playstation store app for xperia play owner and sony tablet s owners. It has some PS1 games and some other exclusives. The original concept of Playstation Mobile was also to get as sony called it "garage developers" (really hackers and coders) to make applications that would be cross platform for the playstation mobile devices and PS3.
It was a while back but it was also confirmed that PSP games will come to playstation suite. I mean playstation mobile. I could not believe it when I heard it but I did some digging and found the announcment. No idea when but playing PRINNY on my TF300T is full of epic win. Now if they would EVER release KH: BBS on Playstation Store, then PSP really would be obsolete.
Basically it means that in the future we will get certain apps and emulation games that can are cross platform with sony game devices and the certain playstation certified devices. This makes the Tablet S less appealing though but it's a damn smart move. It also shows again how ASUS is the top manufacturer for Android Tablets. Affordable price, bare stock OS with little bloatware, unlocked bootloaders, first tablets (for the most part) to get OS updates and now playstation certified devices.
I use my Onlive app alot to play games so I really wanna see what sony has cooking. I PRAY that sony also brings GAKAI to ASUS Tablets. That would be awesome.
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I take it this might be an app i can grab and install? Obviously not from the market but from here or somewhere...i want crash bandicoot, spyro and red asphalt dammit. Maybe even medevil...
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new ion? said:
I take it this might be an app i can grab and install? Obviously not from the market but from here or somewhere...i want crash bandicoot, spyro and red asphalt dammit. Maybe even medevil...
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eventually, as far as i am aware the playstation mobile market is not available atm. there are for sure going to be games like crash bandicoot and abes odyssey. im guessing like a bunch of psone classics and some new indie games mainly made for the vita/xperia play stuff.

mastersoup said:
eventually, as far as i am aware the playstation mobile market is not available atm. there are for sure going to be games like crash bandicoot and abes odyssey. im guessing like a bunch of psone classics and some new indie games mainly made for the vita/xperia play stuff.
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My buddy is playing crash 2 as i type this on his ps3... and i remember crash 1 on the tab s... i just want spyro dammit lol
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new ion? said:
My buddy is playing crash 2 as i type this on his ps3... and i remember crash 1 on the tab s... i just want spyro dammit lol
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Same here. Spyro was so good.