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I noticed on an ipod touch 4, that the quality was HD.
I wonder why the the quality on the Android devices play in HQ.
Side by side, makes me cry to see what I am lacking.
Just odd Google's major product plays better on a non-Google device.
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I haven't used YoutTube App much BUT is there a point of playing it at higher quality?
480p = 640 x 480
480p = 704 x 480
our screens = 800 x 480
The benefit we get from 720p -> 480p is fairly minimum as you can see :/
Kinda making this up, but it might be because of the higher resolution display that the iphone and itouch have.
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yea the iphone 4 and ipod touch 4 does have a higher resolution
But when you're watching on a 4" screen does it really matter? Not trying to watch a movie off Youtube after all.
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gTen said:
I haven't used YoutTube App much BUT is there a point of playing it at higher quality?
480p = 640 x 480
480p = 704 x 480
our screens = 800 x 480
The benefit we get from 720p -> 480p is fairly minimum as you can see :/
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que? are those resolutions the old crappy TV lines that werent really even 480i?
480p= 720x480
720p ( i assume you meant) = 1280x720
So if our phones are 800x480, 480p would be a better image than a scaled 720p, I seriously doubt our phones have the scalers of most modern TVs or Monitors. Native resolution is pretty much always better. (the widescreen images being letterboxed 480p like out of a dvd player).
Yeah they have amazing, almost unnecessary resolution for a 3.5" screen. Great for text readability, but so is SAMOLED
So anyways, if a 960x640 (apple) device is actually defaulting to scaling 720p down, theyre actually shooting themselves in the foot... unless their scaler is a faroudja... but with iOS its all about status, so having that little indicator on the screen say HD, even though the device falls a bit short of actually delivering, and degrading the image by scaling when it is not necessary on such a small device (any phone), it just makes us look better . Wow, im used to having these discussions relating to CRT projectors, not phones So yeah, stick to native resolution or smaller.
That said, if our TV out option worked, then 720p or whatever the best output is would be a good default, if that option were plugged in.
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que? are those resolutions the old crappy TV lines that werent really even 480i?
480p= 720x480
720p ( i assume you meant) = 1280x720
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I meant what I meant but I forgot one 720 x 480..there are multiple standards for 480p based on the sample such as4:3 (640x480)..
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que? are those resolutions the old crappy TV lines that werent really even 480i?
480p= 720x480
720p ( i assume you meant) = 1280x720
So if our phones are 800x480, 480p would be a better image than a scaled 720p, I seriously doubt our phones have the scalers of most modern TVs or Monitors. Native resolution is pretty much always better. (the widescreen images being letterboxed 480p like out of a dvd player).
Yeah they have amazing, almost unnecessary resolution for a 3.5" screen. Great for text readability, but so is SAMOLED
So anyways, if a 960x640 (apple) device is actually defaulting to scaling 720p down, theyre actually shooting themselves in the foot... unless their scaler is a faroudja... but with iOS its all about status, so having that little indicator on the screen say HD, even though the device falls a bit short of actually delivering, and degrading the image by scaling when it is not necessary on such a small device (any phone), it just makes us look better . Wow, im used to having these discussions relating to CRT projectors, not phones So yeah, stick to native resolution or smaller.
That said, if our TV out option worked, then 720p or whatever the best output is would be a good default, if that option were plugged in.
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Regardless of the quality the iphone degrades, it still looks better...that's what he meant lol so if it looks better with a scaled down 720p, imagine regular 720p
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I am not talking about the resolution of the screen. I realize the iphone/ipod have higher res than our phones, and that relates to the sharpness. But I am talking about the actual content quality is actually much higher definition, as it takes longer to buffer because of this aswell. I know the Android app is better overall vs IOS version.
I watch alot of HD [HQ on our phones] of car videos and such, and yes it bothers me that it is not the best it can.
Not anything worth whining about Would be cool if we had [3g/mobile] [HQ] and [HD] options.
This is XDA, maybe we can hack it lol
*Thanks for all the replies by the way
Duh, been too long since I dealt with SD... you are correct.
But as far as 'looks good', its subjective, and looking at my friends touch, I really dont think video is even close... text is awesome... but theres too many factors, such as were you using youtube apps, or the actual site? Really though, I guess it boils down that you really prefer resolution over color, clarity, etc of the samoleds.... But everyone has their preference, I still prefer my Barco 808s projector running 720p CRT at 120" over most 1080p TVs... But to be fair most TVs are crap...
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I am not talking about the resolution of the screen. I realize the iphone/ipod have higher res than our phones, and that relates to the sharpness. But I am talking about the actual content quality is actually much higher definition, as it takes longer to buffer because of this aswell. I know the Android app is better overall vs IOS version.
I watch alot of HD [HQ on our phones] of car videos and such, and yes it bothers me that it is not the best it can.
Not anything worth whining about Would be cool if we had [3g/mobile] [HQ] and [HD] options.
This is XDA, maybe we can hack it lol
*Thanks for all the replies by the way
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Yeah I noticed that too,compared even to my old iphone 3gs I just watch youtube videos using Dolphin Hd browser with AdobeAir flash installed,quality is definetly better than on YouTube app.
What I'm more concerned with now is actually watching a youtube video and not watching 3 seconds of it, it skipping, and then having to start over because it fails to load completely
The old youtube app was horrible and would always do that but the new one has been awesome so far.
Yea that's true, the new is way better for reliability lol
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download a program called tubemate from the market. its free.
when you use this app, you browse it just like you would youtube , but when you watch a video you have 2 options. watch or download. when you watch it steams in poor quality, however if you download you can play it back in HD. its pretty cool. you can even download 720p ( on 4g its pretty quick)
Check it out , from minute 1:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeFQ6U4uRM&feature=player_embedded
The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
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The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
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i read about the iphone doing the same but i have no clue
ya read that too on gsmarena.. hope they fix it by release time.
It isn't a really terrible issue,but i can't help but keep wondering what's the reason for that zoom.
It wasn't solved on iphone 4 so i guess there's a "deep and technical" reason beyond that.
Maybe the 1080p doesn't divide well into the 8 megapixel camera for easy conversion, so they make the viewable area slightly smaller so it is a nice multiple of the 1080p, because the processor can't handle the load otherwise. Shot in the dark.
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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MikeyMike01 said:
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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i doubt it because you cannot display full 720p either ie 1280x720 but it doesnt crop/zoom that image when you video record..
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The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
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No it doesnt. Double tap your screen and it zooms out.
MikeyMike01 said:
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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Naturally it is so and also logical !
How should a 800 x 480 pixel screen show full resolution of 1080 p ? It is not possible physically. Only via HML on the TV-screen You will have full HD res.
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Naturally it is so and also logical !
How should a 800 x 480 pixel screen show full resolution of 1080 p ? It is not possible physically. Only via HML on the TV-screen You will have full HD res.
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but how can it display 1280x720?
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but how can it display 1280x720?
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1) Scale 1280x720 to 800x480, in which case you get an aspect ratio error of 1% which is more than acceptable.
2) Scale 1280x720 to 800x450 and pad the rest with black bars.
Is that what was asked?
For comparison purposes, my Captivate does this also. 720x480 is zoomed; 1280x720 is zoomed further.
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1) Scale 1280x720 to 800x480, in which case you get an aspect ratio error of 1% which is more than acceptable.
2) Scale 1280x720 to 800x450 and pad the rest with black bars.
Is that what was asked?
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450? did you watch the video? the problem seems to be only in 1080p and as far i know 720p and 1080p have the same aspect ratio
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450? did you watch the video? the problem seems to be only in 1080p and as far i know 720p and 1080p have the same aspect ratio
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450 because it will be the same AR. Anyway, apologies. I should have read further back to see what the actual problem behind the discussion was.
Do we know the reason for this? All of the retail units are doing it.
Its simply a lower viewing angle at higher resolutions, its not that uncommon on video recording devices.
not sure I understand?
The youtube video in the OP shows RECORDING, not playback, right?
When it records in 1080p, the screen shows a zoomed in picture.
This is because the phone cannot take raw 1920x1080 video stream from the camera, and at the same time be encoding it as 1080p and saving it to memory, and downscaling that raw 1920x1080 stream to 800x480 to display on screen. This phone is powerful, but not that powerful. Or maybe that youtube video was of not final software.
Yes it's zoomed, and that's a hack to make it possible to record 1080p.
They've basically just cut off the pixels on the side, and are using 1920x1080 pixels from the centre of the camera's sensor.
This way, it doesn't have to process the "extra" pixels on the side, do pixel binning etc. The sensor is decent enough that 1080p still looks crisp at native res.
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Yes it's zoomed, and that's a hack to make it possible to record 1080p.
They've basically just cut off the pixels on the side, and are using 1920x1080 pixels from the centre of the camera's sensor.
This way, it doesn't have to process the "extra" pixels on the side, do pixel binning etc. The sensor is decent enough that 1080p still looks crisp at native res.
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Ahh that is what they were showing Makes sense, just like the iP4 then - thanks for the explanation.
ORiginal desire got the ability to record 720p videos . Even iPhone 3gs which was able to record vga video was able to record in 720p after a work around.will it be possible on desire HD to record full hd 1080p videos with any kind of work around
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I'm not a techie but 720p usually means 1280 by 720 pixels where 1080p means 1920 by 1080 pixels. It's quite a jump between those values and even with a workaround that quality could be poop
the sensor won't be better with any change
It will just use more space from the sdcard
The sensor is capable of recording 1080p, but the processor is not capable of encoding in full hd. So no - it's not possible.
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the sensor won't be better with any change
It will just use more space from the sdcard
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i agree, the sensor is the same size so the image will just be stretched and more space used for the same image quality
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i agree, the sensor is the same size so the image will just be stretched and more space used for the same image quality
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Nope, if the processor was capable of encoding 1080p, the video won't be just an upsampled version of the 720p video. It would be a true 1080. It's not the sensor alone that's responsible for the video quality - there are the lenses and the hardware encoding. And these (especialy the lenses) have the negative impact on our video recording IMO.
If not full HD then least some workaround to improve the current state. Audio really suck and video I dark most of the times. Really disappointed with the video quality on desire HD
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Htc have always had ****ty cameras. If you wanted a camera phone the dhd isn't the best option.
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Someone Swyped my idea.
to be able to record in 1080p would be great enhance but I bet changing from stock sd card is required it seems. class to won't do good with 1080p recording. correct me if I'm wrong
I wouldn't have thought a Class 2 card would anywhere near fast enough for full HD.
would you really notice the difference from 720p to 1080p if shot through the same lens?
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would you really notice the difference from 720p to 1080p if shot through the same lens?
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Not with these lenses
the lens is capable enough to record 1080p,its the processor issue,because the new galaxy s2 has 8mpixel camera aswell and is capable of recording in full hd 1080p,so i was wondering,if i overclock my cpu to 1.2ghz,which i already done,will there be a solution?
serro90 said:
the lens is capable enough to record 1080p,its the processor issue,because the new galaxy s2 has 8mpixel camera aswell and is capable of recording in full hd 1080p,so i was wondering,if i overclock my cpu to 1.2ghz,which i already done,will there be a solution?
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Galaxy S2 has a dual core CPU.
We would need that, if we ever manage to capture in 1080p it would just be a slideshow because the CPU cant keep up.
A bit late to this party, the last post was about six months old.
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We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
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This is a dev zone mate, not a feature request zone. Please try and respect it.
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bharatgaddameedi said:
We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
This is really a great injustice to wildfire. Pls develop it.
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Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
Maybe the sensor can't handle large video resolution s. Because other phones can do it doesn't mean that the sensor is the same as the one in our Wildfire.... It can be a cheaper sensor.
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Wildfire struggles to record in its crappy resolution at 10 fps. You want 1 spf VGA video? Be my guest. meh.
720x480 already 1fps for wildfire. And you even want a arm6 processor to take 720p video?
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what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
bharatgaddameedi said:
what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
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argh. there is no rom which can record at that resolution. the max resolution is near QVGA. AND THAT IS ALREADY LAGGY ENOUGH. Wildfire DOES NOT have the capacity to record at 720p, which is incidentally a 1280x720 resolution, not 720x480 (which is 480p).
I don't know what's wrong with that app, but wildfire most definitely cannot record 720x480 @24fps. that is like trying to run Crysis on an original Pentium. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE!!! and it has been discussed many times so I suggest you give up. -_-
Edit: I hope you realize that cam quality is more of a HARDWARE limitation than software.
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
bharatgaddameedi said:
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
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Read Post #10. Also, it has been said many times in this thread the Wildfire records laggy video even at its default resolutions.
The Wildfire doesn't get 24 fps even at the lowest resolution, and your first post requests 720p recording for it. Oh, the irony....
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Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
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lets keep the topic of degenerating cpu aside for a while. lets keep the cpu in the safe margin 528 to 575 MHz. and also let us forget about the 720p recording. and even forget about the 24fps.
and let us now concentrate on
--max cpu overclock of 575 MHz
--just getting 10fps and if possible to 15fps
--with a resolution of 640 x 480 (or even slightly lower which becomes intermediate between the current wildfires and this one)
IS IT POSSIBLE.
u said that it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments..
im not asking someone to write those. just asking whether the above video recording configuration is possible or not if some great developer works on it.
u also mentioned to write a complaint letter to HTC. i dont have expectations that this solves the problem. the reason is HTC didnt improve the wildfire camera even by a little bit in the froyo update.
i dont understand why the 3 network of UK in association with HTC announced that there will be 720p video in the froyo update. this is meaningless because they didnt even gave a 480p via the froyo update. Anyhow writing a complaint letter to htc should be a try. if someone can link me the contact of htc, it would be more appreciable.
and further u mentioned that the screen resolution of wildfire limits. im sorry if the following question is sooo numb.
just check this website: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_google_nexus_one-3069.php
i dont know if there is something wrong with that website or not.
but i cant believe my eyes when i saw that HTC GOOGLE NEXUS ONE has got multi touch input method via FIRMWARE UPGRADE. i thought that the multitouch is a hardware feature. is it really possible with just a firmware upgrade. if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade. i know even if it is possible, HTC wont do that since it is crushing wildfire for the purpose of wildfire s. i just wanted to know whether screen resolution is a software issue.
and i remember some days back, some guy made a custom rom of wildfire and he said that it has better screen resolution. what does that mean. i dont remember that custom rom name anyway.
and is it possible to improve the screen resolution a little bit, retaining the same 4:3 aspect ratio.
guys a few more numb questions if u have patience to answer. later
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if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Nothing left to say after that reply... I'd like to clarify about multi touch though, it wasn't included originally due to patent issues with Apple (go figure).
Ah, that explains it, because, I would have expected Google to release with all their features originally intact, unlike Apple. (BT, as stated above, and, the iPod Touch teardown shows a FM Radio also, but, Apple only decides to give it to the Touch v4 )
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fifarunnerr said:
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
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yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
bharatgaddameedi said:
yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
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lol. even good cameras have trouble in low light many a time. meh.
3xeno said:
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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*anyhow i would not make an attempt to write to htc, as i dont have confidence in them that they will do something for wildfire.
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*wow, great explanation. and its really painful to hear that manufacturers are releasing their phone models with hardware features locked. This makes me to think about the ATI DESKTOP GRAPHIC CARDS (radeon hd 4xxx series) which have the hardware features like PARALLEL PROCESSING and etc which are lately enabled via software updates.
but how can we know about locked features, if a phone is released with hardware features locked.
*ok. the actual hardware of wildfire has screen resol., 320 x 240, and no locked feature here. this explains great.
*and regarding that app LCD DENSITY CHANGER , i dont actually need it. because i feel that the screen clarity is much better (excluding the resolution issue here). watching videos, browsing and other things are really nice. i just thought of the resolution issue just because to improve the video recording which is not possible as i believe for now.
yes i will search the camera related things on xda.
so, here we know that, "when compared to other 5 MP camera phones wildfire has one of the lowest grade camera".
so, sticking to the rules, i quit the discussion.
EDIT: i cannot use that lcd density changer app now even if im willing to. because im on official froyo and it is a root only app. would try that and check after getting rooted.
Motorola says what 1080p recording
Can someone actually sue them for this? Doubt it.
Future updates = most likely you won't get it and we don't give a **** either
At least the devs are half way there, sort of..
Anyone actually hear any different because that's the word I got straight from moto.
they did say its coming, didnt say in which particular update. They did say that in this one that just came out will come hsupa and they delivered. So just wait, patience.
KingKuba13 said:
Motorola says what 1080p recording
Can someone actually sue them for this? Doubt it.
Future updates = most likely you won't get it and we don't give a **** either
At least the devs are half way there, sort of..
Anyone actually hear any different because that's the word I got straight from moto.
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We would rather want to refrain from suing them and force them getting things in place.
They said all the missing features will be corrected with updates, they didn't have a list at the time of announcing them...
Just be patient is a better option for us as Devs hard at cracking the boot loader will definitely come up with a solution faster than Motorola does. This phone is pretty much brand new player in market... Phone eventually hopefully be updated to either Gingerbread officially or Devs will get some ROM up and running... regardless, give or take about 6 months more to go...
Wait and pray... not to god... To all the Devs hard at work...
KingKuba13 said:
Motorola says what 1080p recording
Can someone actually sue them for this? Doubt it.
Future updates = most likely you won't get it and we don't give a **** either
At least the devs are half way there, sort of..
Anyone actually hear any different because that's the word I got straight from moto.
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Motorola Milestone was advertised with flash. People complained, and eventually Froyo was released.
Moto support forums is the best place to bring this to their attention...
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What I thought we were getting was not 1080p recording, but 1080p playback. This would allow playing of 1080p movies in hi def displays through the entertainment center. As usual, I am more likely wrong though.
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We should be getting both.
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I had 1080 working with LG camera, i believe the chip supports 30 fps 720, 23 fps 1080. When it records in it, it looks like 1080, but its choppy. If it wasnt id be using LG camera for everything, but the sound cuts out sometimes. Its good for a nature scene, slow moving, lots of detail, little distortion. 720 for fast action, nice colors and sound
TLDR: What andrew1234abc said.
I'm currently running 1.5.7 and the lgcamera app, and have 1080p videos from it. It wasn't particularly easy, and they aren't particularly pretty, but it does work.
My settings are 1920x1080 resolution, default vid encoder, 3gpp video file format, 13Mbit video bitrate, and 30 video framerate. Audio settings of default. I never did figure out which setting(s) was giving me trouble, but had problems until I landed on this setup and just left these ever since.
Not sure why this works or why they haven't updated our camera software. Obviously the hardware is there and just waiting for the lazy asses at moto to slap a GUI on it. Oh well, I think I like the LG interface a lot more anyways.
Also, it looks like I have been using this since 4/11 so it worked in 1.2.6 as well. Cant confirm 1.8.3, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Attached is the vitals on the file produced by LGCamera. Like I said, not perfect, but if you are dying for 1080p it looks like our only choice right now.
CaelanT said:
What I thought we were getting was not 1080p recording, but 1080p playback. This would allow playing of 1080p movies in hi def displays through the entertainment center. As usual, I am more likely wrong though.
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Yup. Moto rep said we'll get 1080p playback but not recording.
creativedevil said:
We would rather want to refrain from suing them and force them getting things in place.
They said all the missing features will be corrected with updates, they didn't have a list at the time of announcing them...
Just be patient is a better option for us as Devs hard at cracking the boot loader will definitely come up with a solution faster than Motorola does. This phone is pretty much brand new player in market... Phone eventually hopefully be updated to either Gingerbread officially or Devs will get some ROM up and running... regardless, give or take about 6 months more to go...
Wait and pray... not to god... To all the Devs hard at work...
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I love how everyone refers to the plain and simple "devs" like there's some office building filled with "devs" and they sit there and work on cracking the bootloader and doing stuff to phones. We don't have that many developers for the Atrix. And the developers are just regular people that decided to take action and work to make the phones we use better instead of just sitting around and waiting for the "devs" to do something. This is no complaint, it just makes me LOL. Haha and capitalize Devs and not God why dontcha LOL
KingKuba13 said:
Motorola says what 1080p recording
Can someone actually sue them for this? Doubt it.
Future updates = most likely you won't get it and we don't give a **** either
At least the devs are half way there, sort of..
Anyone actually hear any different because that's the word I got straight from moto.
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Please post source for 1080p recording - it is not in any specs.
And yes, you can sue anyone for anything. Winning is another story.
chromedome00 said:
Please post source for 1080p recording - it is not in any specs.
And yes, you can sue anyone for anything. Winning is another story.
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It was mentioned in all press releases ever since the CES. Obviously its not written on the box for a reason.
I was kidding about the suing. I love my atrix but does it really take over 4 months for a real company to do a small updated they kept talking about forever.
I'm on Bell so lol at my getting any updates anyway.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/28/motorola-will-enable-atrix-4gs-1080p-video-recording-in-post-la/
Actually it was on the official spec early.
Even if it did come it probably be half-assed anyway at 24fps or lower.
KingKuba13 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/28/motorola-will-enable-atrix-4gs-1080p-video-recording-in-post-la/
Actually it was on the official spec early.
Even if it did come it probably be half-assed anyway at 24fps or lower.
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If you go to the official spec that the story references:
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx (note this page is dated Jan 5)
You will see it never mentions 1080P recording - anywhere. It says:
HD 1080 p capable
Capture – 720p MPEG4 and H.264 at 30 fps
Playback – 1080p MPEG4, H.264, WMV, Xvid at 30 fps
(Playback through HDMI is 720p at launch and will be upgraded to 1080p via SW upgrade post-launch)
Streaming – VGA in MPEG4, H.264, H.263 at 30 fps
I am waiting for anyone to show where it ever said 1080p capture or recording - I have never seen this anywhere on an official spec. Only speculation or mis-interpretation.
I did see a screen capture in one of those early articles, my guess is that it was later changed, and is no longer in the plans.
unsl said:
TLDR: What andrew1234abc said.
I'm currently running 1.5.7 and the lgcamera app, and have 1080p videos from it. It wasn't particularly easy, and they aren't particularly pretty, but it does work.
My settings are 1920x1080 resolution, default vid encoder, 3gpp video file format, 13Mbit video bitrate, and 30 video framerate. Audio settings of default. I never did figure out which setting(s) was giving me trouble, but had problems until I landed on this setup and just left these ever since.
Not sure why this works or why they haven't updated our camera software. Obviously the hardware is there and just waiting for the lazy asses at moto to slap a GUI on it. Oh well, I think I like the LG interface a lot more anyways.
Also, it looks like I have been using this since 4/11 so it worked in 1.2.6 as well. Cant confirm 1.8.3, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Attached is the vitals on the file produced by LGCamera. Like I said, not perfect, but if you are dying for 1080p it looks like our only choice right now.
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I've been playing around with LGcamera app myself for a bit.
I find the stock 720p looks better than the 1080p on whatever setting you use with LG. What settings did you find look the best with 720p?
I think I've only took one video that looked decent, everything else looks kind of average. Very grainy. Idk, maybe I'm expecting too much from a phone. lol
You are correct - people misread the original note and then as often happens on the internet the idea got out of control. The idea was to implement 1080p playback (I'm guessing to external devices), not 1080p recording. But the sheeple hopped on the bandwagon and now we get threads like this...
chromedome00 said:
If you go to the official spec that the story references:
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx (note this page is dated Jan 5)
You will see it never mentions 1080P recording - anywhere. It says:
HD 1080 p capable
Capture – 720p MPEG4 and H.264 at 30 fps
Playback – 1080p MPEG4, H.264, WMV, Xvid at 30 fps
(Playback through HDMI is 720p at launch and will be upgraded to 1080p via SW upgrade post-launch)
Streaming – VGA in MPEG4, H.264, H.263 at 30 fps
I am waiting for anyone to show where it ever said 1080p capture or recording - I have never seen this anywhere on an official spec. Only speculation or mis-interpretation.
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KingKuba13 said:
It was mentioned in all press releases ever since the CES. Obviously its not written on the box for a reason.
I was kidding about the suing. I love my atrix but does it really take over 4 months for a real company to do a small updated they kept talking about forever.
I'm on Bell so lol at my getting any updates anyway.
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4mths? Phones been out for a little over 2.
BravoMotorola said:
I love how everyone refers to the plain and simple "devs" like there's some office building filled with "devs" and they sit there and work on cracking the bootloader and doing stuff to phones. We don't have that many developers for the Atrix. And the developers are just regular people that decided to take action and work to make the phones we use better instead of just sitting around and waiting for the "devs" to do something. This is no complaint, it just makes me LOL. Haha and capitalize Devs and not God why dontcha LOL
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They give the developement community way too much credit and I'm not trying to take anything away from those guys. It's just ridiculous to expect these guys to crack the bootloader. I guarantee you they wont this is way beyond their ability and no measly $3000 bounty is going to change that.
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You are correct - people misread the original note and then as often happens on the internet the idea got out of control. The idea was to implement 1080p playback (I'm guessing to external devices), not 1080p recording. But the sheeple hopped on the bandwagon and now we get threads like this...
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chromedome00 said:
If you go to the official spec that the story references:
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx (note this page is dated Jan 5)
You will see it never mentions 1080P recording - anywhere. It says:
HD 1080 p capable
Capture – 720p MPEG4 and H.264 at 30 fps
Playback – 1080p MPEG4, H.264, WMV, Xvid at 30 fps
(Playback through HDMI is 720p at launch and will be upgraded to 1080p via SW upgrade post-launch)
Streaming – VGA in MPEG4, H.264, H.263 at 30 fps
I am waiting for anyone to show where it ever said 1080p capture or recording - I have never seen this anywhere on an official spec. Only speculation or mis-interpretation.
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It's a little more complex than that. It was originally stated we would get 1080P capture and the Motorola Page used to say this in the official specs.
The image in the screen in this story is what the specs page used to look like before Moto switched it all up: (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/28/motorola-will-enable-atrix-4gs-1080p-video-recording-in-post-la/)
Long, short- Motorola promised it and reneged in a low key way.
EDIT: Now that I think more about it, search this forum and you will probably find the post of the user who first noticed that the specs page changed.