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divx on Evo, hdmi?

I haven't seen anything one way or another but does anyone know if the Evo will support divx I know HTC has it planned for the desire and Samsung already had it on the galaxy s n the moment. It just makes sense with the hdmi out

It would definitely make sense considering everything. We'll have to wait and see.

The H.264 video codec and mp4 format provides superior video quality, especially on the screen that the Evo uses.
Apple has done 1 thing in their existence that is actually useful.

VoXHTC said:
The H.264 video codec and mp4 format provides superior video quality, especially on the screen that the Evo uses.
Apple has done 1 thing in their existence that is actually useful.
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If it wasn't for Apple, I don't think Android would be the way it is now.
There is a lot to thank the competition for.

VoXHTC said:
The H.264 video codec and mp4 format provides superior video quality, especially on the screen that the Evo uses.
Apple has done 1 thing in their existence that is actually useful.
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sure it does better quality, but I really don't want to have to encode all my files from mkv to mp4 just to put them on my phone, i'd rather just play em straight

I don't know about you, but I don't want to copy 15GB movies to my phone. Conversion is really the only way to go.

or just stream them to the device. I'm just not up to date with HD streaming, but normal video streams well.

you'd need nearly a 20mbit connection for that. 15GB/120min/60sec*8

divx plays okay on evo using xyzflash player but looks better and played smoother when I converted to h.264

Does DoubleTwist automatically convert stuff for you?

mrniceguy715 said:
divx plays okay on evo using xyzflash player but looks better and played smoother when I converted to h.264
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I noticed (in another thread) you saying you got to play with one. Do you still have access to it?

yes i do indeed
watzone69 said:
I noticed (in another thread) you saying you got to play with one. Do you still have access to it?
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dump it..dump it!

ehh im a puss. pics and my opinion on programs isnt proprietary and wouldnt risk my job. Ripping the source and uploading it before launch would be.... so im going to chill and be selfish for a good little while.

Slightly off topic, but would you consider recording some video on the Evo camcorder and posting it so we can check it out?

Evo 4G Video Quality

Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks

skiz220 said:
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.

Plancy said:
The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.
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Actually we can do it once we get full kernel source. It'll probably take an AOSP ROM since we can't modify the HTC cam app, but we did it for the Nexus. Combine a custom kernel with a custom cam app and we're golden

What's really sad is that the Evo has the 8mp version of the camera in the iPhone. Seriously same manufacturer and everything.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk

It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.

This is what I desperately want fixed. I was happy with the quality until I saw what the iPhone was producing. Man does that piss me off. HTC's software is really crippling this device.
I'm not one to replace standard software on my phones and PCs, but dammit, it looks like I'll have to in this case.
Keep up the great work, guys.

my brothers evo's vid quality sucks as well, i duno wut u can do to it to make it better...

I think my 720p video looks great, not sure what you guys are complaining about.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g

The video quality is not that bad to me but it's the audio on the video that's choppy. I haven't been able to find very many posts on this...is this just an issue with my phone?

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6948969&postcount=13
His updated video (note the significant audio difference as well):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zruAaXHkiF4&annotation_id=annotation_114688&feature=iv
Raw footage:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1742891/iPhone 4 vs EVO x2.mov (warning: 221 MB + content borders on intolerable if you're an adult with no kids)
-Can we get HTC to address this?

topdnbass said:
It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.
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That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.

unclepain said:
That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.
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i'm still learning about all this, but these differences seem more software-related rather than a hardware limitation, correct? given enough time and the source code, the devs would probably be able to fix this or htc updates the software (highly unlikely, but hell, i'm keeping hopeful). is it safe to assume a scenario like this?

So any ETA on resolution?
Video looks & sounds second-rate compared to the iPhone4.

acrh2 said:
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4
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Ok. After watching that the evo's video camera software has to be fixed.... and I do mean 'fixed'. The specs on the evo are too good to not be working as good as those 2 videos.

skiz220 said:
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.

No, it's pretty bad. It's OK for indoors with decent lighting but if you're outdoors...the video quality is just terrible. The camera itself is just as bad or worse.
If we DO get a fix on this thing, does this mean I need to root my phone?

Yeah the Sound quality is piss poor compared to the iPhone 4 and the Droid X... I hope HTC or the devs can fix this.

My god, that source video of the Evo and the iPhone 4 really open my eyes to how badly HTC's ****ed up. The video from the Evo looks like it was recorded from a Razr, and the audio is about ten times worse than any smartphone I've ever heard. I really hope the developers can match the Evo's audio and video quality to that of the iPhone when the source is released.

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Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.
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Not at all , I left verizon to get this phone the sprint network is not as great but their plans are a gift compared to other companies , over all im enjoying my evo plus this is my first smart phone so its a big jump for me,but I said depressed because I know this phone could be way better and be on par with these other phones such as the iphone but unfortunately htc crippled the evo :/
Sent from my evo using XDA App

[Q] so 720p/1080p video is a myth?

read too much in these forums, formatted too much on my comp.
i have got nothing but choppy video and sound delays. I dont buy into the tegra2 not being able to play 720p, that is complete crap.
but my concern is has anyone really been able to achieve some sweet 720p video? and if so can you let us know how you did so?
i have ALOT of converters so im ready to try once more before i begin to hate my life.
PS: I have absolutely no credible sources when i say this, but i believe a update of some sort will occur by this coming sunday (first week of march)

dudeimgeorge said:
read too much in these forums, formatted too much on my comp.
i have got nothing but choppy video and sound delays. I dont buy into the tegra2 not being able to play 720p, that is complete crap.
but my concern is has anyone really been able to achieve some sweet 720p video? and if so can you let us know how you did so?
i have ALOT of converters so im ready to try once more before i begin to hate my life.
PS: I have absolutely no credible sources when i say this, but i believe a update of some sort will occur by this coming sunday (first week of march)
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Click the link in my sig and scroll down to Video section.

Use Handbrake. Simple and works great.
Set Video kbps to 2200
Set Audio to 160 kbps and samplerate to 48
On audio I also moved DRC to 4.0
Movies look great. Just make sure it is saving to mp4 and not m4v.

dudeimgeorge said:
read too much in these forums, formatted too much on my comp.
i have got nothing but choppy video and sound delays. I dont buy into the tegra2 not being able to play 720p, that is complete crap.
but my concern is has anyone really been able to achieve some sweet 720p video? and if so can you let us know how you did so?
i have ALOT of converters so im ready to try once more before i begin to hate my life.
PS: I have absolutely no credible sources when i say this, but i believe a update of some sort will occur by this coming sunday (first week of march)
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Most of the people haven't even gotten their Xooms yet. It IS unfortunate that it doesn't come with 720p decoding build-in, but we know for a fact that Tegra2 can handle even 1080p.
So, like it or not, we'll just have to wait a bit. I'm sure they are working on proper harware-accelerated codecs. Even if Moto isn't, tons of private developers do.
We're early to the party, so grab a beer, sit down and wait for everyone to come =)

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dudeimgeorge said:
my concern is has anyone really been able to achieve some sweet 720p video? and if so can you let us know how you did so?
i have ALOT of converters so im ready to try once more before i begin to hate my life.
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I just converted a 1080 trailer of Ice Age 4 to an MP4 file of 1920x800 res, 5000Kbps H264 video, and it plays fine.

I use Total Video Converter & it works great..!!

lacesout said:
Use Handbrake. Simple and works great.
Set Video kbps to 2200
Set Audio to 160 kbps and samplerate to 48
On audio I also moved DRC to 4.0
Movies look great. Just make sure it is saving to mp4 and not m4v.
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Is 160 kbps for the audio going to sound that much better than 128? And is the DRC 4 going to be that different?

keitht said:
Click the link in my sig and scroll down to Video section.
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I love you..

Ill have to give some fine tuning a chance with my videos. I just coverted a 720p copy of inception using handbrake. I used the apple preset as its listed to work with ipad so i figured it wouldnt be much difference. While the movie and audio do play as they are supposed to im not happy with the frame rate. Its by no means unwatchable. But it is not nearly as fluid as i would like and the irregularity in framerate isnt even consistent. It gets choppier(i use the term loosely) at different intervals almost like im watching a streaming video or playing on a computer whos resources are tapped out. its really annoying because i cant even really gauge the consistency of it becuase its an inconsistent problem.
Im gonna try the settings someone a few post up suggested and see if that works out better. But even if they do its really a shame as most brain dead people can use an ipad. But they expect your average consumer to be able to do all this just to play a frikkin video and still call this thing an ipad competitor?

dudeimgeorge said:
read too much in these forums, formatted too much on my comp.
i have got nothing but choppy video and sound delays. I dont buy into the tegra2 not being able to play 720p, that is complete crap.
but my concern is has anyone really been able to achieve some sweet 720p video? and if so can you let us know how you did so?
i have ALOT of converters so im ready to try once more before i begin to hate my life.
PS: I have absolutely no credible sources when i say this, but i believe a update of some sort will occur by this coming sunday (first week of march)
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No one ever said that Tegra 2 can't play 720p. People have said that it can't play 720p high profile, which is pretty much all 720P that one doesn't encode themselves. Basically not all hd video is created equal. Others have said that it can play 720p but is just lacking some codecs.

verusevo said:
Im gonna try the settings someone a few post up suggested and see if that works out better. But even if they do its really a shame as most brain dead people can use an ipad. But they expect your average consumer to be able to do all this just to play a frikkin video and still call this thing an ipad competitor?
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Apple wants all their customers to just buy stuff of iTunes, so if you do that, it's braindead, but if not, they're in the same boat as us. It only plays 720p baseline (I hear XMBC for it can do 720p high profile, but you have to jailbreak to install it) so it needs to be converted too. Handbreak with presets is what I've been doing for my iPhone 3G, 4, and now Dell Streak.
I've been researching this alot this weekend, and to summarize the issue with 720p/1020p video, the deal is with the various bitrates and profiles of h264 video in particular. NVIDIA Tegra 2 and Motorola only claim to support 720p and 1080p baseline profile. So, for conversion workarounds, there is a Handbrake preset - See Keitht's post. I don't consider this an acceptable solution of course. I keep hearing that Notion Ink Adam's can play 720p high profile after an update. It would be nice to have that player on the Xoom - follow this thread here for info on that. As for now, QQPlayer does the best for 720p high profile - my eyeball guess is that it's playing 10fps now... someone on the forums here did the 1.5ghz overclock and said it's "acceptable" but I don't feel like overclocking my xoom 50% myself
So, I think this will be addressed, eventually. There are WAY to many Tegra 2 devices coming out for someone NOT to invest the time into getting a good player for it - LG's slate, Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, Motorola Atrix, etc etc are all going to be Tegra 2 based.

The details in this thread definitely work, and work well. Yes it is going to take a while to convert things and yes that is a pain the ass to re-encode everything but the results ARE worth it.
THANKS

*SIGH* the trials and tribulations of the educated consumer.... why do they mock us so?!?

Great this definitely works. Just finished up a convert of Megamind 720p and it is smooth as silk.

Phylar said:
Apple wants all their customers to just buy stuff of iTunes, so if you do that, it's braindead, but if not, they're in the same boat as us. It only plays 720p baseline (I hear XMBC for it can do 720p high profile, but you have to jailbreak to install it) so it needs to be converted too. Handbreak with presets is what I've been doing for my iPhone 3G, 4, and now Dell Streak.
I've been researching this alot this weekend, and to summarize the issue with 720p/1020p video, the deal is with the various bitrates and profiles of h264 video in particular. NVIDIA Tegra 2 and Motorola only claim to support 720p and 1080p baseline profile. So, for conversion workarounds, there is a Handbrake preset - See Keitht's post. I don't consider this an acceptable solution of course. I keep hearing that Notion Ink Adam's can play 720p high profile after an update. It would be nice to have that player on the Xoom - follow this thread here for info on that. As for now, QQPlayer does the best for 720p high profile - my eyeball guess is that it's playing 10fps now... someone on the forums here did the 1.5ghz overclock and said it's "acceptable" but I don't feel like overclocking my xoom 50% myself
So, I think this will be addressed, eventually. There are WAY to many Tegra 2 devices coming out for someone NOT to invest the time into getting a good player for it - LG's slate, Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, Motorola Atrix, etc etc are all going to be Tegra 2 based.
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Funny because I ordered a Notion Ink Adam before the Xoom came out and should ship next week. Since I got the Xoom, I do not want to open the box so I can sell it brand new unopened. Wish I could at least test the video.

So can anyone tell me does the "High Profile" mean like high compression because when I am doing re-encodes with the previous posted Handbrake settings I am seeing almost double the file output size of the original?

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So can anyone tell me does the "High Profile" mean like high compression because when I am doing re-encodes with the previous posted Handbrake settings I am seeing almost double the file output size of the original?
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The profile setting indicates the quality of the video stream. There are lots of different profiles within the h.264/avc/mpeg-4 standards but the most common are (snaffled from wikipedia):
Baseline Profile (BP)
Primarily for low-cost applications that require additional data loss robustness, this profile is used in some videoconferencing and mobile applications. This profile includes all features that are supported in the Constrained Baseline Profile, plus three additional features that can be used for loss robustness (or for other purposes such as low-delay multi-point video stream compositing). The importance of this profile has faded somewhat since the definition of the Constrained Baseline Profile in 2009. All Constrained Baseline Profile bitstreams are also considered to be Baseline Profile bitstreams, as these two profiles share the same profile identifier code value.
Constrained Baseline Profile (CBP)
Primarily for low-cost applications, this profile is most typically used in videoconferencing and mobile applications. It corresponds to the subset of features that are in common between the Baseline, Main, and High Profiles described below.
Main Profile (MP)
This profile is used for standard-definition digital TV broadcasts that use the MPEG-4 format as defined in the DVB standard.[20] It is not, however, used for high-definition television broadcasts, as the importance of this profile faded when the High Profile was developed in 2004 for that application.
High Profile (HiP)
The primary profile for broadcast and disc storage applications, particularly for high-definition television applications (for example, this is the profile adopted by the Blu-ray Disc storage format and the DVB HDTV broadcast service).
You'll probably find a lot of movies available via "usual sources" are in high profile. On mobile devices these usually require some form of hardware acceleration to play due to the high bitrate. Not sure if there are many tablets that can play 1080p high profile natively. The Galaxy Tab is certainly one, but those devices with Tegra 2 chipsets do seem to have a hardware limitation with regards to playing high profile (and hence high bitrate) video. It'll be interesting to see how the Samsung 10.1 fares, as that happens to also have the Tegra 2 chipset. Samsung have always been good at hardware accelerating video, so it would be a backwards step for them to release a new device that can't play media that their previous device could.

paul so basically the xoom can only do 720 p baseline?
do apps like Rockplayer and Vplayer help? (without converting)

SS2006 said:
paul so basically the xoom can only do 720 p baseline?
do apps like Rockplayer and Vplayer help? (without converting)
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I'm sure 720p baseline should be fine with any player. 1080p baseline should be fine. Probably main profile too. The problems arise with high profile HD material, which unfortunately is what a lot of stuff out there is encoded with. Then again, I guess most people aren't going to stuff HD movies on their tablets. The 4GB max file size on fat32 gets in the way as much as anything else .
As an aside. I've been using Plex server to transcode and stream movies (including bluray rips) from nas to tablet (running Plex player) with excellent results. But that's probably best left for another topic...

For Those That Doubted The Xooms Full HD Playback

Like the thread title says ive seen way too many posts bashing the playback quality so to those people watch this video on your xooms browser and you will be impressed and appreciate it more
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?deskto...e.com/watch?v=iFohN2-Hqhg&v=iFohN2-Hqhg&gl=US

I think most people are talking about videos that they load onto the device sometimes has choppy playback. We know YouTube plays great. I haven't loaded much onto my device yet but you do experience some slowdown or choppyness I some videos. Most play without a hitch for me though
Sent from my Xoom

I have several blu ray rips on mine and I haven't experienced any issues so far I converted using handbrake

I think the issue is the software people use to rip.

Granted I don't have my Xoom yet but I've read a lot of threads in preparation and I think the problem is the profile used to rip rather than the software. Apparently high profile 720p isn't working on the Xoom.
Hopefully it's a codec thing and fixable by either Moto adding the codecs or some third party app like CorePlayer.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

PaulG1488 said:
I have several blu ray rips on mine and I haven't experienced any issues so far I converted using handbrake
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I dont have my Xoom yet, but just so i know for when i get it, what profile/settings do you use for the converted rip?

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I dont have my Xoom yet, but just so i know for when i get it, what profile/settings do you use for the converted rip?
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There is a Xoom profile out there that works perfectly. See middle of this page http://www.xoomfaq.com/video/
1080p is a size not a measure of quality. I had a standard def camera that will shoot a better picture than my handheld HD cam and will shoot better than any phone or tablet camera. I do not know many that can tell the difference between high quality 720 vs 1080. Probably the same folks that can tell the difference between a 160kbps MP3 file vs a 300kbps one
Real HD, that plays off your BluRay player, is 48 Mbit/s. No tablet made today can play that level of quality.

Just because nobody mentioned it..
The problem was/is that users feel that most downloadable HD content files should not have to be re-encoded to play on an $600-$800 device. It is not that we can't use handbrake, or can't figure out how to download the preset which has already been posted on XDA. It is time consuming.
I got over it though, because watching 720P Tv shows on the train with the Xoom is awesome.

I loaded a Kenny vs. Spenny episode onto a store display via my Evo's bluetooth and it played fine. If the videos I converted for my Evo work on my Xoom, then that's fine with me, and it looks like they will. I cant tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on a 10 inch screen unless I stare so hard I get a head ache anyway.

DebianDog said:
There is a Xoom profile out there that works perfectly. See middle of this page http://www.xoomfaq.com/video/
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The link provided takes you to a page with XML code...how do you import this to Handbrake? Did you create a notepad file, copy/paste the text, and rename it with a .plist or .xml extension? I couldn't find any info on this in the Handbrake wiki.

As others have stated, its a tegra 2 issue. Tegra 2 is incapable of playing high profile h.264 video @ L4.1 or higher. Its a limitation of the video decode processor. As it stands right now, no tegra2 device has been seen playing ANY high profile video at all smoothly. Tegra 2 can play some main profile h.264 as long as its encoded exactly how the tegra2 likes it, ie no b frames etc.
The reason people like myself take issue with this is that the original ipad can play 720p high profile h.264 and my epic4g can play 720p high profile h.264. Neither of these devices were sold as being particularly capable of playing hd content. The xoom on the other hand was specifically sold as being able to play hd content, and the tegra.2 was advertised at being particlarly good at doing so. Then when both the xoom and tegra 2 are released we come to realize that it was a bs marketing ploy and "technically" it can display videos that are 720p and 1080p, but only if they are formatted in a ridiculously specific encode.
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muyoso said:
As others have stated, its a tegra 2 issue. Tegra 2 is incapable of playing high profile h.264 video @ L4.1 or higher. Its a limitation of the video decode processor. As it stands right now, no tegra2 device has been seen playing ANY high profile video at all smoothly. Tegra 2 can play some main profile h.264 as long as its encoded exactly how the tegra2 likes it, ie no b frames etc.
The reason people like myself take issue with this is that the original ipad can play 720p high profile h.264 and my epic4g can play 720p high profile h.264. Neither of these devices were sold as being particularly capable of playing hd content. The xoom on the other hand was specifically sold as being able to play hd content, and the tegra.2 was advertised at being particlarly good at doing so. Then when both the xoom and tegra 2 are released we come to realize that it was a bs marketing ploy and "technically" it can display videos that are 720p and 1080p, but only if they are formatted in a ridiculously specific encode.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
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This pretty much sums it up.
While I'm keeping my Xoom and have made peace with transcoding my videos I'd be lying if I said I wasn't expecting more from the video playback when I bought it.

MichaelWestin said:
Just because nobody mentioned it..
The problem was/is that users feel that most downloadable HD content files should not have to be re-encoded to play on an $600-$800 device. It is not that we can't use handbrake, or can't figure out how to download the preset which has already been posted on XDA. It is time consuming.
I got over it though, because watching 720P Tv shows on the train with the Xoom is awesome.
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This nails the issue right on the head. Most 720p TV shows available on Usenet or via Bittorrent are encoded using video codec H264 "high" settings. From what I've read, the xoom struggles to play these files, which I would not have expected given its hardware specs. I'm still going to pick up a wifi-only model from Costco on Sunday, but I may jump to the Galaxy Tab if it is able to play "high" H264 files.

patass said:
I cant tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on a 10 inch screen unless I stare so hard I get a head ache anyway.
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DebianDog said:
I do not know many that can tell the difference between high quality 720 vs 1080.
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I'm pretty sure I read awhile back that for small screens (like 27" and smaller), if you're sitting/standing within a distance (say within 10 feet) it is pretty much impossible to tell if something is 720p vs 1080p. It only becomes more apparent on larger screens. Other people have mentioned it's probably too difficult to tell on a 10.1" screen, but I'm pretty sure it IS impossible to tell by just looking at it on a screen of that size. So 1080p is just overkill to me, only if you're going to output it on a large screen or something.

pekosROB said:
I'm pretty sure I read awhile back that for small screens (like 27" and smaller), if you're sitting/standing within a distance (say within 10 feet) it is pretty much impossible to tell if something is 720p vs 1080p. It only becomes more apparent on larger screens. Other people have mentioned it's probably too difficult to tell on a 10.1" screen, but I'm pretty sure it IS impossible to tell by just looking at it on a screen of that size. So 1080p is just overkill to me, only if you're going to output it on a large screen or something.
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You have it wrong. You lose the ability to distinguish the resolution the further away from the screen you get. Since a tablet is right in front of you, you can certainly tell the difference. That said, it isn't really relevant because the Xoom only has a 720p screen and that isn't the point. We already have 1080p video encoded for use on other devices/screens and we don't want to have to re-encode them to play on the Xoom.

khov07 said:
The link provided takes you to a page with XML code...how do you import this to Handbrake? Did you create a notepad file, copy/paste the text, and rename it with a .plist or .xml extension? I couldn't find any info on this in the Handbrake wiki.
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Try this one

sangreal06 said:
That said, it isn't really relevant because the Xoom only has a 720p screen and that isn't the point.
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Yeah, totally forgot to mention that. 1280x800 definitely can't play full 1080p.
And yeah, I didn't factor in the "you sit way closer to a tablet than a TV factor," but I still would find it hard to believe that people could tell the difference of 720p vs 1080p on a 10.1" screen (even if you are 1-2 feet away, assuming the screen does support 1080p). Definitely not old people - my parents at first didn't see the difference between SD and HD. Now they can definitely tell and even laugh about how they couldn't distinguish the two at first.
Yes, they don't have the best eyesight at their age now. This is why I usually drive when we go somewhere.

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You have it wrong. You lose the ability to distinguish the resolution the further away from the screen you get. Since a tablet is right in front of you, you can certainly tell the difference. That said, it isn't really relevant because the Xoom only has a 720p screen and that isn't the point. We already have 1080p video encoded for use on other devices/screens and we don't want to have to re-encode them to play on the Xoom.
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I have the "problem" that I ripped all my movies and shows to fit my iPod classic screen (and the car stereo) at 640x480. I unless I want to watch a mini video I'll have to convert the movies anyway. I don't see what the big deal is. If you change your hardware you should expect to run into some kind of trouble. And honestly, our 720p HDTV in the kitchen has a brilliant picture and is hardly any different from the 1080p HDTVs that we have in other rooms.

The "big deal" is for warez peeps who can't play their warez HD videos. They know nothing about video encoding, and they don't want to know. But they do like to get on forums to whine about how they can't play their stolen goods. I've explained enough times that I feel like a broken record, but willful ignorance is a hard habit to break. But once more into the breach...
@muyoso
>Tegra 2 is incapable of playing high profile h.264 video @ L4.1 or higher
There's nothing that said a H.264 video has to be encoded at level 4.1. For 720p @30fps, 3.1 is fine. Check the H.264 wiki you're so fond of quoting. L4.1 is a warez standard.
But if you want, I can post a high profile @L4.1 clip, and I'll bet it will play just fine. Will you then shut up and leave?
>original ipad can play 720p high profile h.264 and my epic4g can play 720p high profile h.264
Great, no need for you to buy anything else then.
>Tegra 2 can play some main profile h.264 as long as its encoded exactly how the tegra2 likes it, ie no b frames etc.
BS. The Handbrake script I've posted, and people have used, used straight main profile (which allows B-frames).
>Then when both the xoom and tegra 2 are released we come to realize that it was a bs marketing ploy and "technically" it can display videos that are 720p and 1080p, but only if they are formatted in a ridiculously specific encode.
What's ridiculous is expecting devices to support warez videos, all of which are encoded for the PC platform, and many of which are badly encoded.
The problem with your whining is that it's all predicated on warez, and that's not something you can offer as evidence when it's put-up time and you're asked for proof.
>Its a limitation of the video decode processor.
And you know this because how? The Xoom is the first HC Teg2 device, and it's still in beta status. Every other Teg2 tab available thus far were Froyo, and all of them were also in beta status. Everything points to the driver support.
I asked you this twice before, and I'll ask it a third time: If you think the Teg2 is incapable of playing your warez vids, why are you still here?

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>Its a limitation of the video decode processor.
And you know this because how? The Xoom is the first HC Teg2 device, and it's still in beta status. Every other Teg2 tab available thus far were Froyo, and all of them were also in beta status. Everything points to the driver support.
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driver or not, high profile decoding of h264 is a know limitation of tegra2.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4181/...-a9s-coming-to-smartphonestablets-this-year/3
One of the stones we've thrown at NVIDIA is the lack of high profile H.264 decode support. Tegra 2 can decode main profile H.264 at up to 20Mbps, but throw any high profile 1080p content at the chip and it can't do it. This is a problem because a lot of video content out there today is high profile, high bitrate 1080p H.264.
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[Q] 1080p devs explanations and suggestions

As I read everywhere, our A500 has many probs reproducing video at 1080p, worse than this I've to say that I hadn't any luck even with 720p format.
I've tried mani different players, with or without added codecs, with hard and soft decoding, but the results are always poor.
I'm talking 'bout Utube films, but also some H264 or .mkv (perfectly working on every pc or notebook even with am embedded graphic adap.
So, what we're gonna do? wait for a solution embedded into the OTA final 3.1, or is it an hardware problem we are facing right now despite the technical declared data of the various OEMs? Isn't tegra2 capable to manage hi-res videos?
Some guru's technical explanation would be appreciate, in order to clarify this situation, at least to give us good reason to hope or to give up with further expectations...
...and in any case, I'm glad to thank you for thy wonderfull job I do in this forum

some facts,
- stock acer rom 3.1 plays 1080p mp4 material just fine through HDMI.
- it will not be possible to play a 720p movie on tv as 1080p require much scaling and looks lousy.
- desktop is only 1280x800 (close to 720p) so don't expect 1080p just like that, it would look awful(even with 720p its still 4x scaling). (i seen it on folio100) and LG Optimus 2x does it too..
I havent got any avi at 1080p, and no mkv's to test at 1080p.
the WMV 1080p i have did not switch screen res to 1080p when played, so maybe its just for mp4..

the screen Is actually larger... its 1280x800 you get 720 because it removes the bottom bar(this is done so you don't see stretching and it will look horrible)...
you cant get actually 1080... its a mirror... you cant mirror something to make it look bigger, Its just a workaround triggered by the hardware decoder... that gets you the 1080...

Dexter_nlb said:
some facts,
- stock acer rom 3.1 plays 1080p mp4 material just fine through HDMI.
- it will not be possible to play a 720p movie on tv as 1080p require much scaling and looks lousy.
- desktop is only 1280x800 (close to 720p) so don't expect 1080p just like that, it would look awful(even with 720p its still 4x scaling). (i seen it on folio100) and LG Optimus 2x does it too..
I havent got any avi at 1080p, and no mkv's to test at 1080p.
the WMV 1080p i have did not switch screen res to 1080p when played, so maybe its just for mp4..
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Do you mean 720 on the Acer screen or on the TV? Cuz when I play 720p thru HDMI the image is perfect.

Why when I plug my device into my 1080 HD TV I can never get the resolution correct, the closest I can get it is when I set it to wide but I see my device not fitting the screen it is larger, now I am just talking about my desktop not videos.
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thor2002ro said:
the screen Is actually larger... its 1280x800 you get 720 because it removes the bottom bar(this is done so you don't see stretching and it will look horrible)...
you cant get actually 1080... its a mirror... you cant mirror something to make it look bigger, Its just a workaround triggered by the hardware decoder... that gets you the 1080...
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Motorola Atrix(tegra2 baseD) do 2 separate screens. its indeed possible with tegra2 to have 2 different screen, i ported atrix release to folio100 and had a mediacenter on hdmi + android screen locally on tablet..
like with the 1080p playback, where you have a black screen on tablet, i think thats how 3.x handle it for now.. although its possible (since atrix has done it)
the chipset handles 2 screens fine, since atrix can do it, but vendors making the software is not making it possible, so what Google is doing is not much on this area, only motorola manage to do it, with their ubuntu + mediacenter + android solution.
lets hope someone else makes it.
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Why when I plug my device into my 1080 HD TV I can never get the resolution correct, the closest I can get it is when I set it to wide but I see my device not fitting the screen it is larger, now I am just talking about my desktop not videos.
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same issues found on pre-3.x tablets... ElocityA7 managed to fix it, but i dont remember if folio100 got it fixed (as almost no updates happened)
i guess they're starting over,.. my tv in "just scan" mode still shows acer incorrectly.. so its for sure possible to look forward to a fix for it..

Dexter_nlb said:
Motorola Atrix(tegra2 baseD) do 2 separate screens. its indeed possible with tegra2 to have 2 different screen, i ported atrix release to folio100 and had a mediacenter on hdmi + android screen locally on tablet..
like with the 1080p playback, where you have a black screen on tablet, i think thats how 3.x handle it for now.. although its possible (since atrix has done it)
the chipset handles 2 screens fine, since atrix can do it, but vendors making the software is not making it possible, so what Google is doing is not much on this area, only motorola manage to do it, with their ubuntu + mediacenter + android solution.
lets hope someone else makes it.
same issues found on pre-3.x tablets... ElocityA7 managed to fix it, but i dont remember if folio100 got it fixed (as almost no updates happened)
i guess they're starting over,.. my tv in "just scan" mode still shows acer incorrectly.. so its for sure possible to look forward to a fix for it..
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I can try to port the mediacentrer... have no ideea how the kernel will take it... or how the roms will react will try...

thor2002ro said:
I can try to port the mediacentrer... have no ideea how the kernel will take it... or how the roms will react will try...
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i just looked through the atrix section, and it seems that ppl experience only 720p with its mediacenter function, so it might be 2 diff. displays but still only 720p..
so probably not worth spending time on. but they do have some technique to split the picture.

Also..
What about that Bourne trailler ?? How come it plays perfect on the transformer and choppy on the iconia??
Hardware is supposed to be the same' so what is iconia missing??

anstelios said:
Also..
What about that Bourne trailler ?? How come it plays perfect on the transformer and choppy on the iconia??
Hardware is supposed to be the same' so what is iconia missing??
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link to it please....

Dexter_nlb said:
Motorola Atrix(tegra2 baseD) do 2 separate screens. its indeed possible with tegra2 to have 2 different screen, i ported atrix release to folio100 and had a mediacenter on hdmi + android screen locally on tablet..
like with the 1080p playback, where you have a black screen on tablet, i think thats how 3.x handle it for now.. although its possible (since atrix has done it)
the chipset handles 2 screens fine, since atrix can do it, but vendors making the software is not making it possible, so what Google is doing is not much on this area, only motorola manage to do it, with their ubuntu + mediacenter + android solution.
lets hope someone else makes it.
same issues found on pre-3.x tablets... ElocityA7 managed to fix it, but i dont remember if folio100 got it fixed (as almost no updates happened)
i guess they're starting over,.. my tv in "just scan" mode still shows acer incorrectly.. so its for sure possible to look forward to a fix for it..
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Thanks for responding dexter, What is odd in this video this guy has his tablet hooked up through hdmi and if you look close everything on hd tv looks the same as tablet, When i hook mine up to hd tv everything is oversized no matter what i set my hd tv to, Do you have the same issue when you try to play a game through your tablet..
http://www.youtube.com/user/ChuckChoi?blend=1&ob=5#p/u/0/sTbBTb-4WjA

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link to it please....
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http://www.dvdloc8.com/clip.php?movieid=12954&clipid=1
It played fine on the Xoom with 3.01 too. There was a review of the A500 on youtube a while ago and they were shocked that this trailer played fine on the Xoom but not the Iconia. It still doesn't play in the leaked Acer 3.1. It plays fine on the Transformer and Galaxy based roms though.
Here's the youtube review. The video is tested at around 10:40 to 12:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMmS8ObCMbA

my updated kernel I shipped to Dexter for some testing plays that trailer fluent

Guys the hdmi out audio is too bad........anyone experiancing this??.....is there a fix??
Sent from my XT720 using XDA App

thor2002ro said:
my updated kernel I shipped to Dexter for some testing plays that trailer fluent
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Well thats great!
Is it compatible with leaked acer 3.1 Roms??

anstelios said:
Well thats great!
Is it compatible with leaked acer 3.1 Roms??
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have no idea how the roms will work with it... I'm using asus based rom

I can confirm that the Bourne video lags like hell on my A500 with the leaked stock 3.1 update.

MichellBak said:
I can confirm that the Bourne video lags like hell on my A500 with the leaked stock 3.1 update.
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I know, it's exactly the same as the stock Acer 3.01 rom.
I hope that the leaked 3.1 isn't final otherwise I wonder wtf Acer have been doing all this time.

chr0m said:
I know, it's exactly the same as the stock Acer 3.01 rom.
I hope that the leaked 3.1 isn't final otherwise I wonder wtf Acer have been doing all this time.
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I'm guessing it's probably got something to do with the 1080p output being disabled for now, since it works with the kernels that have enabled that feature. Just guessing though - we'll have to see what Acer decides to do
On a side note, for people wondering, the video file in question is a 1080p H.264 encoded MP4 file with a rather high bitrate (didn't check the average, but some parts of the video exceeded 12 Mbps).

thor2002ro said:
my updated kernel I shipped to Dexter for some testing plays that trailer fluent
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i dont think its kernel issue..
Bourne movie playys perfectly with Galaxy rom with my kernel "angel" edition, which does not work with the "dextersiconia" rom, where bourne movie stutter.. so its drivers...any acer image has the issue.. so decoding issue is placed in the handling of the containers..
but firmware for chipset is different in galaxy/virt. images, compared to acer stock roms..