We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
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bharatgaddameedi said:
We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
This is really a great injustice to wildfire. Pls develop it.
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Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
Maybe the sensor can't handle large video resolution s. Because other phones can do it doesn't mean that the sensor is the same as the one in our Wildfire.... It can be a cheaper sensor.
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Wildfire struggles to record in its crappy resolution at 10 fps. You want 1 spf VGA video? Be my guest. meh.
720x480 already 1fps for wildfire. And you even want a arm6 processor to take 720p video?
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what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
bharatgaddameedi said:
what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
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argh. there is no rom which can record at that resolution. the max resolution is near QVGA. AND THAT IS ALREADY LAGGY ENOUGH. Wildfire DOES NOT have the capacity to record at 720p, which is incidentally a 1280x720 resolution, not 720x480 (which is 480p).
I don't know what's wrong with that app, but wildfire most definitely cannot record 720x480 @24fps. that is like trying to run Crysis on an original Pentium. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE!!! and it has been discussed many times so I suggest you give up. -_-
Edit: I hope you realize that cam quality is more of a HARDWARE limitation than software.
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
bharatgaddameedi said:
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
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Read Post #10. Also, it has been said many times in this thread the Wildfire records laggy video even at its default resolutions.
The Wildfire doesn't get 24 fps even at the lowest resolution, and your first post requests 720p recording for it. Oh, the irony....
h4oxer said:
Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
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lets keep the topic of degenerating cpu aside for a while. lets keep the cpu in the safe margin 528 to 575 MHz. and also let us forget about the 720p recording. and even forget about the 24fps.
and let us now concentrate on
--max cpu overclock of 575 MHz
--just getting 10fps and if possible to 15fps
--with a resolution of 640 x 480 (or even slightly lower which becomes intermediate between the current wildfires and this one)
IS IT POSSIBLE.
u said that it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments..
im not asking someone to write those. just asking whether the above video recording configuration is possible or not if some great developer works on it.
u also mentioned to write a complaint letter to HTC. i dont have expectations that this solves the problem. the reason is HTC didnt improve the wildfire camera even by a little bit in the froyo update.
i dont understand why the 3 network of UK in association with HTC announced that there will be 720p video in the froyo update. this is meaningless because they didnt even gave a 480p via the froyo update. Anyhow writing a complaint letter to htc should be a try. if someone can link me the contact of htc, it would be more appreciable.
and further u mentioned that the screen resolution of wildfire limits. im sorry if the following question is sooo numb.
just check this website: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_google_nexus_one-3069.php
i dont know if there is something wrong with that website or not.
but i cant believe my eyes when i saw that HTC GOOGLE NEXUS ONE has got multi touch input method via FIRMWARE UPGRADE. i thought that the multitouch is a hardware feature. is it really possible with just a firmware upgrade. if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade. i know even if it is possible, HTC wont do that since it is crushing wildfire for the purpose of wildfire s. i just wanted to know whether screen resolution is a software issue.
and i remember some days back, some guy made a custom rom of wildfire and he said that it has better screen resolution. what does that mean. i dont remember that custom rom name anyway.
and is it possible to improve the screen resolution a little bit, retaining the same 4:3 aspect ratio.
guys a few more numb questions if u have patience to answer. later
bharatgaddameedi said:
if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Nothing left to say after that reply... I'd like to clarify about multi touch though, it wasn't included originally due to patent issues with Apple (go figure).
Ah, that explains it, because, I would have expected Google to release with all their features originally intact, unlike Apple. (BT, as stated above, and, the iPod Touch teardown shows a FM Radio also, but, Apple only decides to give it to the Touch v4 )
bharatgaddameedi said:
if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade
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fifarunnerr said:
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
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yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
bharatgaddameedi said:
yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
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lol. even good cameras have trouble in low light many a time. meh.
3xeno said:
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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*anyhow i would not make an attempt to write to htc, as i dont have confidence in them that they will do something for wildfire.
*
*wow, great explanation. and its really painful to hear that manufacturers are releasing their phone models with hardware features locked. This makes me to think about the ATI DESKTOP GRAPHIC CARDS (radeon hd 4xxx series) which have the hardware features like PARALLEL PROCESSING and etc which are lately enabled via software updates.
but how can we know about locked features, if a phone is released with hardware features locked.
*ok. the actual hardware of wildfire has screen resol., 320 x 240, and no locked feature here. this explains great.
*and regarding that app LCD DENSITY CHANGER , i dont actually need it. because i feel that the screen clarity is much better (excluding the resolution issue here). watching videos, browsing and other things are really nice. i just thought of the resolution issue just because to improve the video recording which is not possible as i believe for now.
yes i will search the camera related things on xda.
so, here we know that, "when compared to other 5 MP camera phones wildfire has one of the lowest grade camera".
so, sticking to the rules, i quit the discussion.
EDIT: i cannot use that lcd density changer app now even if im willing to. because im on official froyo and it is a root only app. would try that and check after getting rooted.
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How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
manuelcalavera said:
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
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Its not only bigger screen... its also bigger resolution (By 25%)...
If its another type of screen, it could even have better performance at less ennergy consumption
Great video tough i can't undestand that language either.
atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
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I don't understand what you mean.
the maximum of vids you can play (or lets say that the screen will show you) is ofcourse its own resolution. So you will not see real HD videos as this screen has not got a real HD resolution. But its own resolution is no problem for the CPU. Playing a movie with a bigger size, will just downscale the video to the resoultion of the HD but as there is more data to process, it may slow the CPU more down, depending of how big the movie is. but you would not want to play a 1080p video on this anyway as it would just use up huge amount of storage space, but doesn't look better. You will get the best and sharpest images if you convert your movies to the exact resolution of the screen.
Oh I understood your point, cause you probably use PocketDivXEncoder..
I was just comparing with HTC Kaiser.. On videos as well as other stuff, it sucked.
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
donbronzi said:
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
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i cant imagine that the HD as any problem with videos. It often just highly depends on the play. Windows media play is crap in playing videos most of the time. But even my old Compaq Ipaq could play videos very smooth.
Some players are faster then others.
language is czech
I thought it was Czech!!
But can you translate that part?
I think that it isn't very fluid the streaming..
Sometimes we notice some delays.. On my Diamond I can see it too..
atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos?
Thanks
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to answer the original question, no it will not be able to play HD videos.
HD by definition is at least 720p, that's 720p or 1080p by today's market distribution, may be later on, there will be some weird resolution at 960p or something like that. but right now HD video are only available in 720p or 1080p
1. the video chip is not powerful enough to decode HD content,
2. windows mobile 6 doesn't support HD content
3. Touch HD only has screen resolution of 800x640, again far from HD
4. CPU isn't power enough to decode HD content (even a full desktop/laptop 500 MHz cpu isn't enough to decode, let alone a stripped down mobile cpu.)
im sure that this "HD" will have some serious problems on playing good resolution videos ...
man , qualcomm's 528 Mhz is the CPU of htc diamond, and they let that beast to have this heart on his chest ! its not fair
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAROWXVQiw&feature=related
Look at 7 min, he shows a youtube movie wvga quality. It doesn't play very smooth either. Let's hope its because of a bad connection or something.
And lets not forget that the units floating around as preview units did carry unfinished ROM and early-stage drivers
Lucas0511 said:
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
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oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
buggybug0 said:
oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic.
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i am thinking of the OP's original question "can HD play HD videos" of course i understand the resolution of this phone and the video it will play.
so i dont know what you are thinking posting without reading the entire thread.
my post, which you quoted was wishing for playing good video at a decent frame rate. sure you can play videos on your 6 year old ppc, but try play, say a jet li movie on there, all his actions are a blur because the framerate isn't fast enough to capture all his kungfu actions. dido for sports videos. you understand now?
and if you are confused regarding why the OP want to watch and HD video on a non HD display, well i can tell you it is possible to put a video with higher resolution on a device which lower resolution display. it will just be upto that CPU to decode and shrink the video. suuurree, it doens't make sense, but it's do-able.. uptill a certain point (resolution), above which it will be too heavy and too much work for the CPU. and if you want to ask why, well i'm guessing 1. the OP was mislead by the phone's name Touch HD, 2. he may not have the time or software or doesn't want to reprocess the movies to 800x480.
and if you are still confused after reading all that.. well... ummm... LOL
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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Aye but i'd love to seen a flawless WGVA streaming video....
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that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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technically i disagree, but from a practical standpoint, sure, i'll go with that. those net videos doesn't require much processing power to decode, very little load on cpu.
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem.
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Traditionally speaking, all HTC devices have very poor video playback .
Till the latest batch of VGA Devices (Diamond and Touch Pro) which i have no access to and hence cannot comment upon, all previous VGA devices had problem playing back video ENCODED AT THERE NATIVE RESOLUTION. (for reference, have a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324371&highlight=video)
the best i could manage was a 532x300 xvid with a bitrate of 800-1200.
so it will be a very pleasant surprise if the HD can playback video encoded at 640x480 leave alone 800x480.
On a side note, since HD will be pretty similar to the Diamond / Touch Pro , you could probably ask your friends to run a benchmark with different resolutions and bitrates.
Not used to making video's as all my previous phones
Universal,Hermes,TytnII,Raphael,Touch HD didn't make them too well.
So just tried out making video's while driving (as a passenger) and
they look stunningly good. There's lot's of sun/cloud changes
and it picks up beautifully.
Frame rate is above 20FPS average in MPEG 640x480. Nice.
EDIT : from comments below I see most people expect more. For once I'm on the satisfied side
What .. it too can't play 640x480 flawlessly ? I saw some benchmarks which played such videos at 200%.
Dr.Sid said:
What .. it too can't play 640x480 flawlessly ? I saw some benchmarks which played such videos at 200%.
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Did you read his comment???? where does it say it cant play 640x480
A sample recording would be nice
Smooth playback is 24 fps and beyond. if it's between 20-24, it sucks.
It's the recording rate in 640x480 not the playback speed.
It will almost always keep the 23.99 frames per second while recording
So I meant to say, it's a great video recorder.
I think the title of this thread is a little bit naive!
C'mon 640 x 480 has been on most high end phones now since 2006!
We now have alot of phones with 640 x 480, a fair few with 720 x 480 (D1?) and one or two with 720p recording.
The hardware in this phone is capable of 720p as is that of the Palm Pre, Iphone 3GS and probably others too.
So, in summary - I dont see 640 x 480 as amazingly good at all!
On the topic, do any devs think it would be possible to up the recording to it's 720p capabilities?
See above. I accidently posted twice.
jamuk2004 said:
The hardware in this phone is capable of 720p
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Qualcomm advertises Snapdragon (rather over-optimistically in my opinion) as being capable of 720p video playback - where do they say it's capable of 720p capture?
My bad !
I did not notice he talks about RECORDING, I thought he talks about playback.
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Frame rate is above 20FPS average in MPEG 640x480. Nice.
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So video quality is "surprisingly mediocre", then. Is there any non-HTC smartphone in the world that can't manage at least 30fps at VGA resolution? The Samsung i8910HD can almost manage 24fps at a resolution of 1280x720. If the HD2 could better that, then maybe you could describe it as "amazingly good".
The Snapdragon probably should be able to record in 720P from a hardware point of view. My currrent phone, the i8910, records in 720P at around 22-24fps, and its only packing a 600mhz Cortex 8 CPU.
So i went to the registry and messed with some values a bit. I set the bitrate much higher than the default. It would still capture video @ about 25 fps. Can't really tell the difference in quality, but the filesize has increased by a 100%. I'll try to see if there are more reg settings to mess around.
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The Snapdragon probably should be able to record in 720P from a hardware point of view. My currrent phone, the i8910, records in 720P at around 22-24fps, and its only packing a 600mhz Cortex 8 CPU.
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There's a lot more to it than CPU power, I think - it's a bandwidth issue rather than MIPS. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows Mobile imposes some limitations too.
On the original releases of the legend build for hero the camera app gave you the option to record in wvga video capture. The video capture failed and only the sound remained. With tweaking could this be put on the more able overclocked roms and made to work.
therevell said:
On the original releases of the legend build for hero the camera app gave you the option to record in wvga video capture. The video capture failed and only the sound remained. With tweaking could this be put on the more able overclocked roms and made to work.
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Hmm. I'm not sure what you mean by WVGA. Do you mean xxx by 480? As I don't remember any ROM working with this.
I think 352x288 is the limit, likely for a good reason
Our hero has to compress the video on the CPU while recording. More than anything CIF or alike is really the limit to get watchable video.
The legend isn't really that much higher in CPU power (cpu's are comparible), but it has enhanced video support for encoding video on the SoC, which is most likely used in the camera app.
That also explains why we get no video at all in the hero without changing anything, it tries to use a library / hardware chip that isn't there.
slightly off the main point, but is there a way of gaining better audio quality out of the vidoes? i really despise muffled 'amr' quality sound that the hero has. or am i missing something?
Hey people, i was wondering since HTC are going to update the HTC Desire with 720p recording in the future via an update. HTC HD2 has the same camera why cant we have an update????
and by the way dont start using because windows mobile 6.5 doesnt allow it blah blah blah......
ps just recieved an update read below....
Dear Yus,
Thank you for contacting us. In regards to updates on the HD2 I can help you with that. No updates are planned at this time to enable HD Recording. The hardware may not even be compatible. The only official information on updates is on our website www.htc.com/support We cannot comment on what is seen on the internet as this is not official HTC published content. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number*************.
Sincerely,
Philip
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its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.
josemedina1983 said:
its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.
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^^Hey, I know you!
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It might be plausible to enable the HD recording in the future, but I know WinMo is incapable of supporting HD recording. You'll never know, maybe something miraculous will happen and this might work!
However, at least it's nice to get pics at higher resolutions than 5mp. There's a tweak here, if you didn't know.
its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not
ilijan said:
its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not
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Yeah, and I'm thinking Microsoft might work on fixing that in WP7 and completely ignore WM6.5.x.
Hopefully the devs get that to work. The TP2's Android port still doesn't have camera support and the port's been around since December.
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
guys if wm6.5 dont support 720p rec
ok how about 720x480 or WVGA like samsung omnia ii ?
something better than nothing
Euroman28 said:
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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look at the nexus one
scrizz said:
look at the nexus one
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Can you confirm to use that the camera in the Nexus One and HD2 are identical?
im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...
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Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2
See i'm kinda holding back from buying one of those mini HD camcorders because im certain someone can create a break through with the HD2's camera. saves me taking two devices everywhere just for the camera, when the HD2's camera seems more than capable.
I've not been on the forum long so can someone explain the process that could make this work? Im aware of the WM 6.5 limitations, has anybody got a solid port to android or WM7 yet...?
Dani01c said:
well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2
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How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA
I don't see how the OS has anything to do with the resolution that the camera can capture at. The limitation is probably in the firmware (in the camera module), camera module driver, or the camera software. Could also be a hardware issue with whatever bus interface is between the camera module and the HD2, it could be a standard USB bus which would have the bandwidth for HD video, or it could be something proprietary with a low bitrate that wouldn't handle the bandwidth of a 720p/24/30 real time video stream. The bus could be a real issue, notice how some of the 1st camera phones that could do 720p were 720p/24. 720p/24 is a lower bitrate than the 720p/30 more common now
I do know that I have gotten my HD2 to capture WVGA video in one of the android builds. I never took the time to evaluate if it was capturing a true pixel per pixel WVGA image, or if it was really capturing a VGA image and then either zooming or stretching it to WVGA in software
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How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA
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I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...
juiceppc said:
I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...
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Its quite possible that android is still recording VGA mode and then just cropping off the top and bottom, basically leaving you with 640x360 effective pixels.
We need someone that knows the android cam software that can tell us exactly what its doing, or someone to do a resolution test recording a pattern to measure the recorded resolution
well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.
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well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.
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but is it really true 800x480 pixels or the 640x360 upscaled to fill out 800x480? only true way to test is to use a resolution pattern
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/How-We-Test-Camcorders-36180.htm
I am pretty sure that the HD2 has a 4:3 not a 16:9 sensor for the camera. this would explain why we loose resolution when the still camera is put into wide mode. it takes the 4:3 5mpixel image and chops the top and bottom off to make it "widescreen"
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im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...
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hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!
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hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!
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i'm wit u 100%
Hi,
we can take photos in 3.2 megapixel, so why we can not record video in this resolution or in 1megapixel resolution?
this 3 steps maybe can work
3 easy steps
- if reason is weak processor speed? overlock it
- if reason is low ram? extend it with microSD card and apply SD-Booster
- custom recording app with modified recording resolution. or only change /data/local.prop (but not work for most phones)
True
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what a breaktrough!!! xD if it were that simple we would have 720p recording by now
ya.. it s possible.. but it just damn hard.. may b it needs to rewrite the vid rec driver.. :/
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erikkubica said:
Hi,
we can take photos in 3.2 megapixel, so why we can not record video in this resolution or in 1megapixel resolution?
this 3 steps maybe can work
3 easy steps
- if reason is weak processor speed? overlock it
- if reason is low ram? extend it with microSD card and apply SD-Booster
- custom recording app with modified recording resolution. or only change /data/local.prop (but not work for most phones)
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"extend it with microSD card and apply SD-Booster" ? ? ?
Really?
darksyde18 said:
"extend it with microSD card and apply SD-Booster" ? ? ?
Really?
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i think he meant swap partition..
Ever thought about this:
- sensor not good enought to record 60 (or even 30/15) Photos with 3,2 MP in one second
Every other camera also needs to lower the resolution when recording video. Thats not a question of processor speed or RAM.
rueolps said:
Every other camera also needs to lower the resolution when recording video. Thats not a question of processor speed or RAM.
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So...
what about this:
Apple Ipod Touch 4G
Camera
Photo: 0.7MP (960 x 720), It's VGA!
Video recording:720p 30fps, it's HD!
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So...
what about this:
Apple Ipod Touch 4G
Camera
Photo: 0.7MP (960 x 720), It's VGA!
Video recording:720p 30fps, it's HD!
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everything depends on the sensor......ours can handle higher res recording
but drivers need to be edited...
im trying to get a kernel with higher res but the drivers are tough and i have no
c++ experience...
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"extend it with microSD card and apply SD-Booster" ? ? ?
Really?
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Copied from android market:
SD-Booster speeds up your SD-Card (external memory-card) up to 40 times! Enjoy a new feeling of speed on your Android smartphone anytime and everywhere you are.
Starting apps, listing to your favorite music or just swapping data with your PC ? Whatever you do, the SD-Booster improve your phone speed!
SD-Booster needs root permission to run, otherwise SD-Booster can't do anything!
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I dont know this is really working but....
rueolps said:
- sensor not good enought to record 60 (or even 30/15) Photos with 3,2 MP in one second
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So try to record your PC desktop with 30fps in resolution 1280x1024 with PATA/ATA HDD and 2GHz processor (1 core) if your HDD is low it cannot save 30 images(frames) per second to your HDD without lag.
If processor is low for rendering 30 frames frames in 1280x1024 resolution into video file and if HDD is too slow to write it, it is Fail. so if in our mobile is possible to speed up read/write speed of sd card and is possible to overlock cpu from 667MHz to 1300MHz, increase the ram using swap, so hardware side is done.
I think it is possible to change /or create custom\ driver for camera and customize recording resolution to our phone.
Sensor is one, If it can capture photo in 3.2MP it can also capture 25 photos/frames\ per second in 3.2MP and render it into video file without lags.
But I think 3.2MP is too much for our devices hardware. So 720pixel is enough to record a pretty nice video.
im trying to get a kernel with higher res but the drivers are tough and i have no
c++ experience..
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I am only php developer so I cant help you in this :-\
you are talking about filmin a video in 3.2 megapixel?!?!? are you out of your mind? Good cameras and high end phones take video in 1080p - that is 1920x1080=2megapixels. You think our little phone can do better? Its not only about RAM, CPU, the drivers need to be reworked but there are always hardware limitations that can not be changed. I'll bet all my money that there is no possible way to get even 720p video with our phone. If we get vga (640x480) recording we can be very happy. That is really hard to do, it may even be impossible since that is 4 times the current quality and it probably takes 4 times more power from memory, CPU, GPU, RAM and 4 months of making new drivers.
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you are talking about filmin a video in 3.2 megapixel?!?!? are you out of your mind? Good cameras and high end phones take video in 1080p - that is 1920x1080=2megapixels. You think our little phone can do better? Its not only about RAM, CPU, the drivers need to be reworked but there are always hardware limitations that can not be changed. I'll bet all my money that there is no possible way to get even 720p video with our phone. If we get vga (640x480) recording we can be very happy. That is really hard to do, it may even be impossible since that is 4 times the current quality and it probably takes 4 times more power from memory, CPU, GPU, RAM and 4 months of making new drivers.
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not in 3.2 in 720pixel
This theory could work, but I think we need a driver re-write. Not only that, but can our GPU even display 720p +?
erikkubica said:
not in 3.2 in 720pixel
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Someone was arguing about video in 3.2mp. Anyway, we can't even play 720p video without stutering, so recording is impossible. VGA could be possible however, lg p500 has vga recording with 600mhz CPU and better GPU, if we can get the CPU to do more job than GPU there is a chance. Unless the sensor just can't take it, then we are stuck.
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Someone was arguing about video in 3.2mp. Anyway, we can't even play 720p video without stutering, so recording is impossible. VGA could be possible however, lg p500 has vga recording with 600mhz CPU and better GPU, if we can get the CPU to do more job than GPU there is a chance. Unless the sensor just can't take it, then we are stuck.
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we should be aiming for about 720x480 or close......
its a good res and our gpu should be able to handle it!
i can smoothly play dvd rips on mine without lag or anything at stock speed..
sensor shouldnt be a prob we just need a guy who is good with c++ knowledge
or driver writing experience....anyone?? if u need help with kernel i have successfully compiled a kernel from source and have all the necesary tools
It would be good if we were able to record in aac audio quality,and not like now - in amr.
What will give to us higher resolution if audio is horrible ?
GT-I5800 (Galaxy 3) Video Recording: increase please
Hello at all,
i use the DutchMods ROM V5.3 on my Galaxy 3. In my opinion it's a perfect firmware... but there is a thing: poor camera (Photo and Video). It don't change change from Samsung Stock one. Video has 320x240... a very poor resolution. I think there is some possibilities to increase the resolution to 640x480 (15 fps). The solution can be a post elaboration. When you save the video, the apk Interlace the photo or video. In this way you can have 640x480 video and more high megapixel in photo. The are very good routines for interlace (for example in N70 Nokia there was a program who shot 4 photos and build an high resolution photo using 4 low res photo). The same with video : 320x240 can be 640x480 video with less number of frames. It's a suggest for all custom firmwares.
Thank you at all.
Bye.
Jean-Luke
Talking is useless guys..
This is intended for Froyo
Records at 1920X1080 2mp
but video players decode it to a lower rate
unreal3000 said:
we just need a guy who is good with c++ knowledge
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of course , this is DAMN C++
erikkubica said:
if reason is low ram? extend it
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ARE YOU KIDDING ?
"I can see that SDbooster or whatever, even if it converts the r/w speed to 1TBps, its not to be used as a ram
SD card is a removable media, "if it can hold apps moved from the phone memory, IT IS MOVING. same for data and everything.."
but by no means it can be used as "Random Access Memory"
RAM is directly connected to the phone and it is permanent. Thats all a person can explain"
BTW, reason is the SCREEN RESOLUTION and LENS
rueolps said:
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- sensor not good enought to record 60 (or even 30/15) Photos with 3,2 MP in one second
Every other camera also needs to lower the resolution when recording video. Thats not a question of processor speed or RAM.
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I don't think that is a problem cause 25 FPS is enough right!!