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Touch HD playing videos

How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks

bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity

manuelcalavera said:
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
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Its not only bigger screen... its also bigger resolution (By 25%)...
If its another type of screen, it could even have better performance at less ennergy consumption
Great video tough i can't undestand that language either.

atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
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I don't understand what you mean.
the maximum of vids you can play (or lets say that the screen will show you) is ofcourse its own resolution. So you will not see real HD videos as this screen has not got a real HD resolution. But its own resolution is no problem for the CPU. Playing a movie with a bigger size, will just downscale the video to the resoultion of the HD but as there is more data to process, it may slow the CPU more down, depending of how big the movie is. but you would not want to play a 1080p video on this anyway as it would just use up huge amount of storage space, but doesn't look better. You will get the best and sharpest images if you convert your movies to the exact resolution of the screen.

Oh I understood your point, cause you probably use PocketDivXEncoder..
I was just comparing with HTC Kaiser.. On videos as well as other stuff, it sucked.

This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?

donbronzi said:
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
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i cant imagine that the HD as any problem with videos. It often just highly depends on the play. Windows media play is crap in playing videos most of the time. But even my old Compaq Ipaq could play videos very smooth.
Some players are faster then others.

language is czech

I thought it was Czech!!
But can you translate that part?
I think that it isn't very fluid the streaming..
Sometimes we notice some delays.. On my Diamond I can see it too..

atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos?
Thanks
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to answer the original question, no it will not be able to play HD videos.
HD by definition is at least 720p, that's 720p or 1080p by today's market distribution, may be later on, there will be some weird resolution at 960p or something like that. but right now HD video are only available in 720p or 1080p
1. the video chip is not powerful enough to decode HD content,
2. windows mobile 6 doesn't support HD content
3. Touch HD only has screen resolution of 800x640, again far from HD
4. CPU isn't power enough to decode HD content (even a full desktop/laptop 500 MHz cpu isn't enough to decode, let alone a stripped down mobile cpu.)

im sure that this "HD" will have some serious problems on playing good resolution videos ...
man , qualcomm's 528 Mhz is the CPU of htc diamond, and they let that beast to have this heart on his chest ! its not fair

I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAROWXVQiw&feature=related
Look at 7 min, he shows a youtube movie wvga quality. It doesn't play very smooth either. Let's hope its because of a bad connection or something.

And lets not forget that the units floating around as preview units did carry unfinished ROM and early-stage drivers

Lucas0511 said:
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
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oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.

buggybug0 said:
oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic.
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i am thinking of the OP's original question "can HD play HD videos" of course i understand the resolution of this phone and the video it will play.
so i dont know what you are thinking posting without reading the entire thread.
my post, which you quoted was wishing for playing good video at a decent frame rate. sure you can play videos on your 6 year old ppc, but try play, say a jet li movie on there, all his actions are a blur because the framerate isn't fast enough to capture all his kungfu actions. dido for sports videos. you understand now?
and if you are confused regarding why the OP want to watch and HD video on a non HD display, well i can tell you it is possible to put a video with higher resolution on a device which lower resolution display. it will just be upto that CPU to decode and shrink the video. suuurree, it doens't make sense, but it's do-able.. uptill a certain point (resolution), above which it will be too heavy and too much work for the CPU. and if you want to ask why, well i'm guessing 1. the OP was mislead by the phone's name Touch HD, 2. he may not have the time or software or doesn't want to reprocess the movies to 800x480.
and if you are still confused after reading all that.. well... ummm... LOL

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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Aye but i'd love to seen a flawless WGVA streaming video....

Raziel1 said:
that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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technically i disagree, but from a practical standpoint, sure, i'll go with that. those net videos doesn't require much processing power to decode, very little load on cpu.

Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem.
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Traditionally speaking, all HTC devices have very poor video playback .
Till the latest batch of VGA Devices (Diamond and Touch Pro) which i have no access to and hence cannot comment upon, all previous VGA devices had problem playing back video ENCODED AT THERE NATIVE RESOLUTION. (for reference, have a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324371&highlight=video)
the best i could manage was a 532x300 xvid with a bitrate of 800-1200.
so it will be a very pleasant surprise if the HD can playback video encoded at 640x480 leave alone 800x480.
On a side note, since HD will be pretty similar to the Diamond / Touch Pro , you could probably ask your friends to run a benchmark with different resolutions and bitrates.

Touch HD Video Playback Performance Concerns

So here's my story:
I recently bought Samsung Omnia on which I did extensive tests on video playback
with CorePlayer 1.2.5 and TCPMP and with various video formats such as:
H264 Baseline 3 480x272 (originally encoded for playback in iPod Touch)
Various XviD encoded videos with resolutions varying from 640x360 to 720x400
Using DirectDraw as video output in both CorePlayer and TCPMP
the result was awful, dropped frames, awful motion and distorted colors.
However since the Omnia has the fastest CPU I know in WM Device so far,
the Marvell PXA312, 624MHz with IntelXScale acceleration,
the CorePlayer and TCPMP gives this as an option for video output the IntelXScale acceleration.
So when using this setting the video playback of any type of encoding was absolutely beautiful.
Colors were correct, performance was amazing (even in double playback speed) it was in general as smooth as it gets.
For a powerfull (hardware-wise) device such as omnia, I was very disappointed
in the resolution of the screen (240x400 - wqvga) and its size 2.8".
For this kind of device which has literally everything one would expect it
to have same screen size and resolution as the touch hd.
I rushed to buy this device I must admit and so I sold it to a friend after experimenting with it for one week.
The reason that I gave away so fast the Omnia was simply the Blackstone.
Since I am kind of perfectionist as far as it concerns screen resolutions, the touch hd is no match with any other phone/ppc device out there.
So here comes the real concern, how is the performance on video playback on the blackstone?
For a multimedia device like this one would expect that the performance
would be excellent (much like the omnia or even better if it can).
But what concerns me is the Qualcomm cpu at 528Mhz which as far as I can tell
doesn't have IntelXScale acceleration (plz correct me if i'm wrong on this)
So if it uses only DirectDraw and the results are crappy, then this would be such a turn off.
Can this CPU give a smooth video playback performance on a 640x360 XviD avi video
with "Smooth zoom: ON" and "Zoom: Fill Screen" settings on either CorePlayer or TCPMP?
And keep in mind that we are talking about realtime upsizing of the video to 800x480
which IMHO requires quite a lot of cpu power for such device.
Because really I am not willing to spend 700 euro on a multimedia phone
that can't actually perform well on multimedia.
I'd love to hear someone that has it and tested it on that matter.
Thanks for reading!

We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed

mohdtmn said:
We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
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More like SE said to HTC "We want an awesome phone, but we don't want you to tell us what's in it, and we'll just make Magnus make up stuff as we go, also we suck at marketing."

touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.

buggybug0 said:
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd

buggybug0 said:
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip

fallenczar said:
but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S

buggybug0 said:
so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support

Thats sux
I hope Touch HD has better driver ... because the hardware is the same.
Quite a downer ...
mkMoSs said:
I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
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fallenczar said:
No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
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If that is the case, then I dont understand it. I mean why HTC would go through all this trouble to have an extra graphics chip in their devices when no other than their own app could ever use? So they put a graphic chip with 3d capabilities and video acceleration for just their own apps like touchflo 3d ?
Isn't it just stupid?

Yes, that would be stupid. Fortunately though, there is quite some talk about the HD having an optimized chipset compared to the Diamond, even though this does not include the processor. It is already evident by the many movies that the device performs faster than the diamond even with the same processor, so I doubt you'd have exactly the same performance issues as with the diamond. Though there is only one way to be sure: wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.

nin2thevoid said:
.......... wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol

gauravdc said:
Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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iPhone died, blackstone killed it

Blackstone is a killer... Woohoo.. We have to send it to prison!!.. I think I might have a good prison here at my home so my blackstone, come for punishment *roarr* lol

Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.

wuzy said:
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Hi, if I buy the current coreplayer-version from them, do I get a free update when the 1.3.0 will arrive? Or should I wait until it comes out? This would be the most important application for me on the Touch HD.. Greez, cad^^

wuzy said:
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Fingers crossed!
They should just forget the iPhone, ppl will be finding out about blackstone and they will be throwing their iPhone from the window xD

I guess no problem with playing video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9lLAVidgA&fmt=18
Thanks to johnkorver who own the device, create the video review, and upload it to youtube.

looks promising even though we don't have any other info on the video file except the codec used (xvid).. anyway upscaling works nice and that says much..

one more video playback demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7I6K8U7L4

Improving video recording

On the original releases of the legend build for hero the camera app gave you the option to record in wvga video capture. The video capture failed and only the sound remained. With tweaking could this be put on the more able overclocked roms and made to work.

therevell said:
On the original releases of the legend build for hero the camera app gave you the option to record in wvga video capture. The video capture failed and only the sound remained. With tweaking could this be put on the more able overclocked roms and made to work.
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Hmm. I'm not sure what you mean by WVGA. Do you mean xxx by 480? As I don't remember any ROM working with this.
I think 352x288 is the limit, likely for a good reason

Our hero has to compress the video on the CPU while recording. More than anything CIF or alike is really the limit to get watchable video.
The legend isn't really that much higher in CPU power (cpu's are comparible), but it has enhanced video support for encoding video on the SoC, which is most likely used in the camera app.
That also explains why we get no video at all in the hero without changing anything, it tries to use a library / hardware chip that isn't there.

slightly off the main point, but is there a way of gaining better audio quality out of the vidoes? i really despise muffled 'amr' quality sound that the hero has. or am i missing something?

better camcorder?!

I'm just curious and want to know if the hardware in the HD2 is capable of higher quality video recording
OK so I have been looking at other phones with a 5MP camera and they can record video higher than 640x480.
One example is the N900. It can record up to 848x480.
Another example, the Droid can record 720x480.
Thx

Why are you posting multiple threads asking the same question (i.e., the other thread here)? You think someone will magically say yes?
For Windows Mobile, it is unlikely you'll see anyone develop any improved drivers for higher resolution video camera recording.
If you're unhappy with this fact, sell the phone and buy the phone that comes with the resolution you want to record at if video recording is so important to you. Didn't you even do your homework prior to buying the HD2?

I only asked if the hardware is capable of a higher resolution.
The hardware.
Read before you answer, ty.

scrizz said:
I'm just curious and want to know if the hardware in the HD2 is capable of higher quality video recording
OK so I have been looking at other phones with a 5MP camera and they can record video higher than 640x480.
One example is the N900. It can record up to 848x480.
Another example, the Droid can record 720x480.
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Do you really feel the HD2 video recoring its bad. I maybe used the recoring on my phone maybe 4 times in my entire life. The recording its above decent. There might be a hack for it but I doubt people actually dislike the quality of it

It's not so much a question of hardware as it is a question of software and drivers.

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It's not so much a question of hardware as it is a question of software and drivers.
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Well it could be a hardware issue too. most camera sensors have a still picture mode and a video mode. If the video mode is only designed to do 640x480 then that's all your gona get. Sure an app may be able to be written to capture video frame by frame in still pic mode, but can the camera take pics that fast? does the sensor module to motherboard link have the bandwidth to do 5mpixel at 30fps? i doubt it. im guessing that the link between the module and motherboard is either an I2C serial bus or maybe just standard USB, Though in video mode the camera module itself might be doing the mp4 encoding, taking that workload off the CPU, if you tried to capture frame by frame, then your going to have the CPU convert either the raw data or jpeg data from the module into a video format.
I firmware hack or mod for the camera module might be able to enable say 720p video output from the module, but i find it doubtful that anyone is going to get their hands on that firmware and we dont even know if it is "field programmable"

HD2 plays 720p Video in Android!

Well? Try it out! The new Desire HD builds can do it, but I don't know if the older "normal" Android builds can or not.
Just fire up a CUDA baseline 1280x720 with minimum settings -- if it plays smoothly with a stock player ("system mode"), congrats, your HD2 now does HD, too. (Hah, see what I did there? )
Report your findings! I don't have enough free space on my computer or card to try it myself. Plus, this greatly benefits y'all. Maybe.

old old OLD news

I would be more exited if it could record in 720p but i think thats not gonna happen

Cool gonna try it soon

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Really? Are you saying standard Desire (NOT HD) ROMS could play HD with hardware players? Can anyone confirm?

zat0x said:
I would be more exited if it could record in 720p but i think thats not gonna happen
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It does in the latest HD builds, but the video comes out screwy. It DOES show that with the right software, the HD2 is perfectly capable of capturing and encoding 720p in realtime, but actually getting the software and drivers to interface properly is another story...

I never understand questions regarding playing 720p on HD2.
Recording, yep I understand.
As far as I know HD2 has only a 480x800 screen.... doesn't look HD for me.
So playing HD, Full HD... on an SD screen. Really I don't understand the advantage. For me it's same as plugging a Blu-ray on a 20 years old TV (ok... I go out ).

the advantage here is, that you don't have to transcode any downloaded movie (up to 720p) to the lower res - just to take it with you on your hd2 for the trip. also, you don't have to download separately movies for home and mobile entertainment. so, the feature basically save your time, storage and bandwidth. and if the USB-host on HD2 project goes right (it's in the beta phase), you could connect the USB2HDMI type adapter to play the vid on the big screen wherever you go with your HD2.

ok understand now

do any builds have 720p recording and if so which ones?

xrossblades said:
do any builds have 720p recording and if so which ones?
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No, none of the builds support it atm.
Sent from my HTC HD2