Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
i'm afraid that cotulla getting tired of us. from what i saw we are very impatient people
some of us chase and beg as if we own people as slaves of developers
i know not you perhaps, but there are many out there who probably are inconsiderate
there is another group, which has donated before and expect the sky and moon to shine gold dust
however, we should just wait patiently. if it bothers you, switch back to HSPL. i still remember cotulla saying with HSPL , you should be invincible
use your Windows Mobile 6.5 as everyday use.. use an Android you love and find most stable
Windows Phone 7 is just a week odd old give it some time, like most things in development world requires
I have read some things about them working on Meego or something. That will eat up some of his time and maybe the DFT team wont do any updating before MS releases the updates?
waiting for wp7 rom kichen...
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Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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Good point. WP7 hasn't been out that long.
Also, OP should consider that battery drain is just one issue. There's plenty of other problems that might take priority for DFT. It's also possible that for now they prefer to work on something else entirely, like MeeGo. As others have said, this is not a job for them. Nobody's paying them, and they're actually under no obligation to update anything at all. Donations do not equal an employment contract.
I personally curious what's causing the high battery use. My HD2 is currently not my primary phone, so right now it's spending most of its time in flight mode, only connected through wifi. I've found that the battery easily lasts several days like this. Haven't really pushed it, because charging a completely dead battery can be a bit of a problem, but my phone's now on its 3rd day since the last charge.
Yes well WP8 will come next! Wait and see...
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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if you read my last statement, you'll notice that I said that I'm not being impatient. Just genuinely curious. I was posing this question simply to see if anyone had heard or read anything. Save your lectures for someone else.
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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Good point. WP7 hasn't been out that long.
Also, OP should consider that battery drain is just one issue. There's plenty of other problems that might take priority for DFT. It's also possible that for now they prefer to work on something else entirely, like MeeGo. As others have said, this is not a job for them. Nobody's paying them, and they're actually under no obligation to update anything at all. Donations do not equal an employment contract.
I personally curious what's causing the high battery use. My HD2 is currently not my primary phone, so right now it's spending most of its time in flight mode, only connected through wifi. I've found that the battery easily lasts several days like this. Haven't really pushed it, because charging a completely dead battery can be a bit of a problem, but my phone's now on its 3rd day since the last charge.
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there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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if you read my last statement, you'll notice that I said that I'm not being impatient. Just genuinely curious. I was posing this question simply to see if anyone had heard or read anything. Save your lectures for someone else.
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You are impatient if and when they decided to release an update its up to them. If you're so curious maybe go read a book
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there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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Yes, and also bear in mind that battery life is far superior on NAND Android than it is on SD Android, so I really don't see Magldr a problem for battery drain.
So, with that in mind, I have to ask....
What do you want a new version of Magldr for? What do you expect from it?
Actually, this seems like a good a place as any to ask: doesn't the current MAGLDR have an issue with charging the battery when its dead (near 0%?) I leave my phone plugged in as much as possible because I'm afraid of not being able to revive it...! I have other phones that I use so I can do this.
Or is that not a MAGLDR issue? I'm just guessing this would affect NANDroid as well if it is.
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Actually, this seems like a good a place as any to ask: doesn't the current MAGLDR have an issue with charging the battery when its dead (near 0%?) I leave my phone plugged in as much as possible because I'm afraid of not being able to revive it...! I have other phones that I use so I can do this.
Or is that not a MAGLDR issue? I'm just guessing this would affect NANDroid as well if it is.
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People are saying so, yes, but I talked a guy through charging his phone earlier when it had run out, with Magldr on his phone and WP7 as his OS.
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there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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That speculation is probably reality. In fact I still get better battery life out of my HD2 than my wife's HD7 when under the same usage habits. Of course if I am playing "The Harvest" for a couple of hours, checking my email constantly, and whatever else I want to do with my phone, I am going to see significant drop in battery life.
If you want to better your battery, change when your email syncs, disable location services, switch to a manual brightness setting, turn off 3G, etc. Those are some ways to increase battery life.
Just know it isn't just the HD2, it is about every Win phone with a massive screen like ours, and live tiles constantly updating. But hey that is the beauty of this phone, big, bright and fun.
I am sure MS is aware that the batteries on the devices get drained faster than they should, and eventually it is going to be corrected.
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You are impatient if and when they decided to release an update its up to them. If you're so curious maybe go read a book
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Thanks, officer. I'll be sure to run any questions I have by you first so you can let me know if they are worthy of posting in the Q&A forum. Cotulla and DFT must appreciate you screening these questions.
Seriously... Its a legitimate, relevant question.
It has been stated in other threads that MAGLDR could be causing the battery charging issues, and to a lesser extent, drain issues. I'm not blowing up the boards, shouting out and demanding results from devs.
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Thanks, officer. I'll be sure to run any questions I have by you first so you can let me know if they are worthy of posting in the Q&A forum. Cotulla and DFT must appreciate you screening these questions.
Seriously... Its a legitimate, relevant question.
It has been stated in other threads that MAGLDR could be causing the battery charging issues, and to a lesser extent, drain issues. I'm not blowing up the boards, shouting out and demanding results from devs.
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Lulz no need to get snippy he is just stating what everyone is thinking.
Your post looks a lot like hey why is there no new updates for more then 10 days OMG 10 days. GIMME GIMME GIMME. You are not in the DFT groups you are not in the communication groups surrounding the testers or a developer. So yes you will most likely not hear a single word about the new releases of any software until they are released. Just sit back and relax and eat some popcorn and all good things eventually will come.
Get real guys
Dont you guys remember back in the WM5 and 6 days. How longer it took to get some real cracking, and development going.
It says WP7, but its a totally different OS with no bases to go off of. LEO70 is Ground 0.
I suggest that if can't wait for these extremely gracious developers to crack, modify and release Roms , THEN CRACK OPEN A BOOK AND LEARN TO DO IT YOURSELVES.
I'm just happy we got WP7 at all.
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Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
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Why not look at all post done by Cotulla? Here is one from yesterday:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10832817&postcount=1404
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That speculation is probably reality. In fact I still get better battery life out of my HD2 than my wife's HD7 when under the same usage habits. Of course if I am playing "The Harvest" for a couple of hours, checking my email constantly, and whatever else I want to do with my phone, I am going to see significant drop in battery life.
If you want to better your battery, change when your email syncs, disable location services, switch to a manual brightness setting, turn off 3G, etc. Those are some ways to increase battery life.
Just know it isn't just the HD2, it is about every Win phone with a massive screen like ours, and live tiles constantly updating. But hey that is the beauty of this phone, big, bright and fun.
I am sure MS is aware that the batteries on the devices get drained faster than they should, and eventually it is going to be corrected.
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I'm pretty sure the sd card you use with wp7 plays a big part in battery life... when I was using a 32gb class4 kingston, wp7 didn't run that good, and the battery life was horrible... when I used 16gb class 2 Sandisk, wp7 ran flawlessly and battery life was great. Now i'm using 32gb class2 Sandisk, and have it partitionsso 21gb goes to wp7 and 8gb is used for running android, and wp7 runs great, and battery life is good, but not quite as good as it was with 16gb sandisk. Since wp7 uses sd card as internal memory, it's almost constantly using it, and since different sd cards use different amounts of power, it has to make a difference.
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Hey guys,
I have had my Nexus for a little more than a week. I am loving this thing. I don't know how I have survived without it. I came from the darkside(BlackBerry).
Anyway, I have a few questions I need help with. I have searched and looked around and tried various things which I will detail in whats to come.
ROM: CyanogenMod 5.0.6
Recovery: RA-nexus-v1.7.0-cyan
Radio: 4.04.00.03_2
Kernal: 2.6.33.3 Pershoot OC - UV
Build: EPE54B
Theme: Nextheme
First:
I have been having issues sending/receiving MMS. I have my APN settings setup for TMO USA. I searched and found a few different ways to configure it, but all of them were to no avail. I use Handcent for messaging. Sometimes I can receive MMS and send them just fine, and other times I can not. Sometimes when I receive them it automatically downloads them like one would think it should, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes when I click the "download" option it downloads and works, and sometimes it simply does not. I have called TMO and HTC and never really seemed to get anywhere with it other than following their directions. Is their anything else anyone might be able to think of, other than wiping and starting from scratch?
The other things on this first subject is a little less of a mess, and not such a deal. How can I send a MMS with a picture AND audio. I could do it on my Blackberry, and I can even receive MMS with Pic/Aud on my Nexus, but how the heck do I send a MMS with both at the same time? I am sure their has to be a way and im just not using my head here...
Second thing:
I'll start by saying...Battery life. LOL
I have been playing with different kernals thinking maybe sooner or later i'll strike the gold one and find one that I want to keep. My phone is getting like 7ish hours of light to moderate usage before it starts dropping below 10% or so. I don't know if it is just me, but I really expected a LITTLE more. I have the OC and UV kernal as described above. I have Setcpu setup to adjust cpu speed according to battery life. I tried the 'ole go into recovery and clear cache's and battery stats and charge for 30min or so after the "green light" on phone trick, and that seemed to help me get maybe 30min or so more of use, but nothing drastic. I also found a thread on here about battery life and playing with the *#*#4636#*#* and the different network options trick. That has not really seemed to do anything either. Does anyone know of any way to isolate this issue? I use Advanced Task Killer, and have it setup to kill the crap every hour. I have noticed when I turn phone on ATK says I have ~200ish mb free of memory, and when phone starts to die I have around 120mb free.
While I am on battery life issue, the next issue I have possibly ties in with it. I am using HelixLauncher2 and think it may be the culprit...After 12ish hours or so the phone gets super slow, and unresponsive and the HL2 FC's some. The phone is practically unusable until I do a reboot. Would this have something to do with the Kernal? Any suggestions here guys?
Well if you managed to read this whole fiasco, thanks!
If their is any tips or advice you guys could give, it would be very much so appreciated. I love the phone to death, but the battery life, MMS issue/s, and slow/unresponsive issues have to go be straightened out and it will the best phone in the world(to/for me) lol. I think most/part of my issues are the kernal and the HL2, but I really am not sure. I am new the the Android scene, but am trying to learn quick, fast and in a hurry. I rooted the 2nd day I had the device haha
Thanks again,
Blaine
Any takers? Please? Is really appreciate it.
I don't experience any of the issues you do, where are you located? Is there another T mobile Sim you can use to see if there is something wrong on the end? Do you think there is a possible hardware fault? Had you used the phone stock for a month or so before you rooted?
Its sad to say, but from what you're explaining, as I have the same setup as you, it could definitely be a hardware issue
All things considered based on your post were I you I would reflash first. I would consider using the kangorama rom which already has all the core stuff you listed built in and working correctly. Wipe everything before hand.
Once I did that I would only add the crucial apps and see if anything is whacked. Chances are the core apps like handcent that people commonly use and you will be using frequently should be fine. Only after I knew that was ok would I start adding in the rest of the apps. I would add them in a few at a time and keep an eye on the battery. Consider ditching atk and trying system panel. It gives you a lot more tools for finding offenders. This is really the use of app killers, dealing with runaway apps. They can also be handy for stopping bat killers that are not runaways. By this I mean an app like trapster. It needs to run in the background to work properly but uses a lot of battery. In order to kill it when I am done with it I have to switch to it and drill a menu. With system panel I just hit one button to close all running apps that I have not exluded. At any rate killing apps willy nilly is not going to solve your problem and works against the memory management scheme which is pretty solid.
Once you have a solid core to work with you can start looking at the little things like how often you are getting weather updates, stock updates, email, etc. A high frequency with these things can use a fair bit of extra battery and if you dont need email (for instance) every 15 minutes you lose nothing when one hour is adequate. There are tons of battery threads with tips and this is only one example.
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Second thing:
I'll start by saying...Battery life. LOL
I have been playing with different kernals thinking maybe sooner or later i'll strike the gold one and find one that I want to keep. My phone is getting like 7ish hours of light to moderate usage before it starts dropping below 10% or so. I don't know if it is just me, but I really expected a LITTLE more.
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Regarding your battery life, assuming you glanced over the sticky guide in this forum, you should kinda expect about 8 hours of bat. life with moderate use. This thing has a badass snapdragon + 3D chip + awesome screen.. Battery tech hasn't really been keeping up with the consumption and power of PDAs.
It's not N1's fault, google mentioned on the conference that about 8-10 hour day is what you get from these devices.
The times of week-lasting batteries are gone with black-n-white brick nokias.
Thanks for all the help guys. I have probably 120ish applications installed. I only had/used the N1 for 2 days before rooting and "going all out" lol. There are many things for me to try. Is System Panel an application, or built into settings? I suppose the 8-10 hours thing is probably abour right, it is a pretty badass phone. LOL I guess I am going to have to consider a extra battery/cradle though. I wonder if they make something for auto that is a cradle/spare battery charger..hmm lol I am just so befuddled, I know with time one of two things will happen though. One being I just get used to it and deal with it, or two software/os/ firmware and kernals just keep getting better until issues really are oleviated haha.
Thanks again guys! If anyone else has anything they would like to throw out, I am still all ears. I am new to this forum, but appears to be a great bunch of guys here, so I hope to become a active useful contributing member to the forum!
Thanks!
The super horrible battery life is probably you playing with your new toy a crap ton once you stop playing with all the candy and pick out the gems it will improve
Yeah, I am sure their is probably a ton of crap I will probably end up getting rid of..It all seem so intriguing coming from a Blackberry that you can't do anything terribly exciting with, to this which has an application for ANYTHING and everything you could ever want to do..I am blown away by the amount/kind of applications for this thing. WiTether being one of them..My mind is blown by the customizationability(is that a word?) of this thing. I love Blackberrys, and sorry but NOTHING touches their email handling, but this thing...Its just so dang much fun to own!
Really though, the one thing no one touched on was my question about MMS and how to send one with a picture & ring tone attached. If I could do it on my DingleBerry, there has to be a way on N1. How does one do that with the trusty 'ole N1 here?
Thanks!
Blaine
I read about this on a professional site but cannot remember where. Here is what you do:
"To help with battery life you can do these steps EXACTLY:
1. Turn your device ON and CHARGE the device for 8 hours or more
2. UNPLUG the device and TURN the phone OFF and CHARGE for 1 hour
3. UNPLUG the device TURN ON and wait 2 minutes and then TURN OFF and CHARGE for another hour
Your battery life should double. We have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well"
I am still waiting for my phone but I will try this as soon as I get it. I am wondering if this trick applies only to new phones or not? If someone will like to test this please go ahead and give us some feedback. Thanks
no offence but can you tell me how you can charge the device which has been charging for 8 hours? to my knowledge, there are circuits that avoids over-charging in these kind of devices?
You got a point. Like I said, I took this off the net but cannot remember where.
Check out this article: http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-i9000-galaxy-s-full-battery-test-ready-–-up-with-the-best/
It's impossible to manage 84h on single charge Or it is possible when you charge phone to 100% then leave it on your desk and don't even touch it.
Im pretty sure I could get up to a week of battery if i didnt use the phone at all. Over night the battery drains 1% max.
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Im pretty sure I could get up to a week of battery if i didnt use the phone at all. Over night the battery drains 1% max.
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standby is quoted as 24-26 days. it's sick. screen on is what sucks the power (in addition to sync and background apps).
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standby is quoted as 24-26 days. it's sick. screen on is what sucks the power (in addition to sync and background apps).
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for me, wifi uses up 65% of the power lol.
I like to ask, how long have you all had your phones? I think the longer or often you charge your phones the better the drainage power.
ive had mine for two weeks
Don't believe everything you read on the internet..
When I was working at an Apple Premium reseller, I nearly exploded with laughter every day at some of the ridiculous rumors I heard, which were obviously wrong to anyone who sold them, but plenty of major sites were reporting they were likely..
Even now, Kevin Rose (the genius who said that he had seen the iPhone and it had 2 batteries) is still saying crap (which 2 years after I left still seems wrong to me), and every site is STILL reporting it as fact.
A lot of the stuff you read on the internet is untrue. This might be a bit true because of battery calibration and such, but I honestly do question it..
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet..
When I was working at an Apple Premium reseller, I nearly exploded with laughter every day at some of the ridiculous rumors I heard, which were obviously wrong to anyone who sold them, but plenty of major sites were reporting they were likely..
Even now, Kevin Rose (the genius who said that he had seen the iPhone and it had 2 batteries) is still saying crap (which 2 years after I left still seems wrong to me), and every site is STILL reporting it as fact.
A lot of the stuff you read on the internet is untrue. This might be a bit true because of battery calibration and such, but I honestly do question it..
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Agreed. After all, if these ridiculous battery "tricks" worked at all, then the physics behind them would be built into the chargers by the manufacturers. Unless you think they are crippling the battery on purpose for no reason? Makes no sense.
The Battery in my mini behaves like it is worn out. That is, it drains very quickly and charges very quickly. Just to be sure that I have a working phone if something unexpected happens, when not in use the phone is on the cradle charging. I have a second battery on order and am hoping that the new battery will perform better than the first.
I have NoData installed and all access to 3G is blocked unless I start wifi or bluetooth. Otherwise there is nothing exceptional about the way I have the phone configured. I do check the weather twice a day and run the stocks option, and I do use it to listen to music with bluetooth stero head set maybe an hour a day.
I hate to think that this is all I can expect. If so, I will always have a battery freshly charged battery in the cradle and change batteries daily.
Howz everybody else doing? Are you getting the same sort of performance from the battery that I am?
i have same problem. i think it's a problem in current roms..
last week i saw a rom with this title "a new unlock rom by fixed battry life problem" but i don use that cuz i jus use original roms
My battery is good enough. One to two days of use.
I use the phone a lot for calls, mobile excel, off line information search (such as dictionary, tranlators, encyclopedia), calendar scheduling, gps navigation (thru navicomputer), and taking notes everyday. A few to moderate number of text per day. Plus occassional online social stuffs, music, photo browsing, and ebook reading. (When i lock down to some nice ebook topics, i can read for about an hour or two.)
With all these, the battery can typically last for more than a day. Although i haven't really tested if it can last a full 48 hours. Very rarely, i can run down to a dangerously low 20% or 10%. But never experienced an empty battery shut down yet.
For all this, i'd say it's good enough. Not spectacular. But not disappointing.
I'm particularly impressed with the battery performance under hours of gps use.
I don't really know if the gps or the battery is the great performer. But i'm quite satisfied with the performance in this department.
In fact, the acquiring of gps signal is so good, coupled with its great stamina, i decommissioned my dedicated gps device and removed it from the car, and then use HD mini as my primary navigation device.
4/2/2011 and i want to talk about battery life too...
I got my HTC hd mini with the latest maryone WWE rom, but
1st, never charges up to 100% but only 90%
2nd, I have no CHT installed
3rd, with some messages send and recieve, battery falls to 40% in 3-4 hours...
What the hell is happening?...
Looks like it's defective.
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Looks like it's defective.
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lol
i answered to his problem already in other thread,he is using automatically backlight,and on 70%,i'm not surprised battery is dying in few hours of using...
you are still answering to people that they have defective devices i see
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i answered to his problem already in other thread,he is using automatically backlight,and on 70%,i'm not surprised battery is dying in few hours of using...
you are still answering to people that they have defective devices i see
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I'm using automatic backlight. My unit does not behave that way.
Whatever settings you have, you should be able to charge to 100%. Not being able to charge to 100% is a sure sign that there's something wrong with the battery.
I'm trying to help this guy find answers, using his description, and supplying the most probable explanation.
I see nothing wrong with that.
I don't answer "defective device" to each and every question in this forum. Try to check. I got a couple of hundred posts. I'm sure "defective device" doesn't show up in all of them. Not even half. Not even one fourth.
I try to help with opinions from my experiences.
You try to help with yours.
Each of us contribute.
No need for antagonistic sarcasms.
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I'm using automatic backlight. My unit does not behave that way.
Whatever settings you have, you should be able to charge to 100%. Not being able to charge to 100% is a sure sign that there's something wrong with the battery.
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You try to help with yours.
Each of us contribute.
No need for antagonistic sarcasms.
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lol guys i thank both of you for your help. I turned off the auto backlight adjustment and i will see how it seems...
So thank you both.
About the 90%, i think is about the ROM or the Taskbar. In previous roms i had not that problem...
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I'm using automatic backlight. My unit does not behave that way.
Whatever settings you have, you should be able to charge to 100%. Not being able to charge to 100% is a sure sign that there's something wrong with the battery.
I'm trying to help this guy find answers, using his description, and supplying the most probable explanation.
I see nothing wrong with that.
I don't answer "defective device" to each and every question in this forum. Try to check. I got a couple of hundred posts. I'm sure "defective device" doesn't show up in all of them. Not even half. Not even one fourth.
I try to help with opinions from my experiences.
You try to help with yours.
Each of us contribute.
No need for antagonistic sarcasms.
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1.it can be software problem(custom ROM which he is using)
2.telling is defective is not help(in my opinion)
3.after a quick search i found at least 30 of your posts with "defective" word
http://www.google.com/custom?q=bart...=2855279901&boostcse=0&oe=ISO-8859-1&filter=0
4.it wasn't sarcasm,just a funny(coincidence maybe) that when i see your posts i see you are telling to guys they have defective Mini's .
p.s. chill out man dont take it so serious,people make jokes sometimes,if you dont accept that just tell me...
so my guess was right...ROM fault!
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1.it can be software problem(custom ROM which he is using)
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4.it wasn't sarcasm,just a funny(coincidence maybe) that when i see your posts i see you are telling to guys they have defective Mini's .
p.s. chill out man dont take it so serious,people make jokes sometimes,if you dont accept that just tell me...
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I think it is software problem cause the max 90% charge is happening since i upgraded my rom again at first days of January...
PS. Yeah people take things very seriusly some times...
Life is wonderful guys
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I think it is software problem cause the max 90% charge is happening since i upgraded my rom again at first days of January...
PS. Yeah people take things very seriusly some times...
Life is wonderful guys
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Life is a B*** ,so F*** it )))
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Life is a B*** ,so F*** it )))
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Haha, indd!
So thanx for the help anywayz guys!
My post, "Looks like it's defective", is a suggestion. It looks that way. It's for the owner to verify it himself. We make suggestions of possible answers. When did i insist it is indeed defective? Or even confirm that it is?
Suggesting it could be defective can help. Some had their units check, and confirmed they're defective. Some cannot confirm. For those who do, at least they got the replacement early. It's not 100% kill rate.
In my area, from the people i know, the defective rate is more than 50%. It's a good thing HTC is quick to replace most of them without much hassle. My supposed "30" post with the word defective doesn't even come close to 50% of my posts. And i'm sure not all of them is a straight shooting down of every unit i commented on. So what's the point? Trying to humiliate fellow posters? Do you get satisfaction doing such things?
Funny can be funny. You seem to have the habit of looking for the threads i posted in and shoot down every mention of defective. And then try to defeat my comment in the most sarcastic way. You keep following me around. I'm not famous. So don't waste your time doing so. It won't make you rich.
You hit someone in the head, and then said "chill out", with a wink. Doesn't make sense. You want to provoke people. And then appear very calm and peaceful.
You wanna make jokes? Sure. I actually find the first few ones amusing. Then the more you keep on doing this, it's obviously turning out to be sarcasm.
Are you provoking me to hit back at your other comments? Well, i'm not interested.
I've picked up a few useful pieces of suggestions in this forum. That's is the reason I'm trying to contribute back to try to help others. Especially the newbies. Like how i started.
That's my only point. I'm not here to amuse you, or to satisfy your ego trip.
If i've gone too far with my effort to help, someone please tell me. So that i will stop trying to contribute.
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1.it can be software problem(custom ROM which he is using)
2.telling is defective is not help(in my opinion)
3.after a quick search i found at least 30 of your posts with "defective" word
http://www.google.com/custom?q=bart...=2855279901&boostcse=0&oe=ISO-8859-1&filter=0
4.it wasn't sarcasm,just a funny(coincidence maybe) that when i see your posts i see you are telling to guys they have defective Mini's .
p.s. chill out man dont take it so serious,people make jokes sometimes,if you dont accept that just tell me...
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Totally UNACCEPTABLE.
Please make real jokes. Picking on others is not amusing.
2 words: Stop whining.
I don't understand how a custom ROM can create such a errors. If you use the packages of the stock ROM, nothing in the software changes, so normally behaviour stays the same. Have you tried running a stock ROM?
redeye998
Have you performed a hard reset after flashing your mini with Madmatt's rom?
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2 words: Stop whining.
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Good. Same to you. So we're quits. Don't bother me, and i won't bother you.
Let's get back to business.
What's in this ROM? Any special apps or features?
Hello all,
I have tried a lot of the win mobile and android roms from the xda forums. But i always went back to windows mobile 6.1 as i work and need at least a days worth of battery. Having tried android and then messing with kernel changes i eventually got just over 8 hours with an average days use of texts, calls etc. I then read that in actuall fact, most of the(real) android phones did not fair much better than 8 hours anyway unless you did the recharge/off/recharge trick(desire).
So if it is possible to get the 8 hours, even if i had to muck about with complicated kernel stuff, why cant the android cabs be written with the required changes ?
In fact, why cant the devs start actually looking at their win rom/android creations and tuning them to make actually usable in the real world ?
So this is my challenge, before you release a rom try to tweak it for people who dont sit around a charger all day.
Steve.
Steve the main problem comes from the fact that android is using the micro sd all the time. With a working bootable android rom we will face also the fact that most of our hardware is now initialized by windows mobile before we launch haret and with an android rom that won't be the case.
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Steve the main problem comes from the fact that android is using the micro sd all the time. With a working bootable android rom we will face also the fact that most of our hardware is now initialized by windows mobile before we launch haret and with an android rom that won't be the case.
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The R/W to the microSD card is not that much of an issue for the battery life, yes it may contribute to the battery reduction but only by a small fraction, the only adverse effect of running android from your SD card will be a reduced lifespan of the memory card and possible damaging your SD card permanently depending on the type of filesystem used.
We need dedicated Blackstone developers because tbh it's all becoming a mess, there seems to be no communication or no-one testing XDAndroid releases on the blackstone before made public because if there were they would have noticed by now that they have messed up the qwerty.kl for us users, the home button which also doubles up as a task viewer/switcher has been remapped to power off since 3-4 releases ago.
Yes you can amend this in spare parts but we have still lost the task viewer/switcher functionality due to this and we now have two power buttons.
This is becoming a joke, if you put a valid point in any of these threads they become dead or ignored almost immediately.
ST1Cl<^^aN
Sometimes it is helpful to remember that this forum and many others with home-made ROMS or Android installations are for developers. User which will have stable releases have to wait for or use the offical ones. All others here are also developers or testers which help other developers. Therefore the releases here are often beta- or test-releases.
Nobody is committed to use them but everybody is invited to collaborate
And the goal is thereby a usable ROM or installation but the problem is that this is very komplex for all when it's made in spare time. And when you look what happends here with the Android installations in the last months, many issues are now solved.
Elim,
although it is obvious that using the roms/android builds is up to the user, it is also up to the user to feed back to the devs...otherwise there is not much point in making them at all, for other devs or for "beta testers" ie general readers of the xda forum.
My point in the first post is not only have htc(the actual developers) forgotten about handsets being actualy usable(read practical) but devs are now straying into the "just roll off a rom a day". No one is doubting the time and effort put into this, but someone has to man up and say it how it is. There is no point is creating roms/android if they last a few hours but can do everything(or nothing).
So again i lay down the gauntlet to devs, whether from htc or xda(or both) to concentrate on roms for people who work and there fore have no time to charge untill at home/car.
Steve.
native android flash would be awsome ... dreams come true ... somewhere sometime
I dont have any problem with the battery life while running android on my blackstone, i am an IT consultant so i am calling all day long. I take it of its cord in the morning and use the phone all day until i go to sleep. so thats about 16 hours of intensive usage. I read that all people have battery issue's but my phone is running for 6 weeks without running completly dry. and i only recharge at night.
i dont use wifi or internet on it so that is maybee the difference.
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I dont have any problem with the battery life while running android on my blackstone, i am an IT consultant so i am calling all day long. I take it of its cord in the morning and use the phone all day until i go to sleep. so thats about 16 hours of intensive usage. I read that all people have battery issue's but my phone is running for 6 weeks without running completly dry. and i only recharge at night.
i dont use wifi or internet on it so that is maybee the difference.
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Which Kernel do you use ??
If you had such a battery life, why wont you give details of the kernels etc for us to test....
So again the challenge is put down, an android version for blackstone that has battery "legs" for people who work or cant get near a charger all day.
Steve.
sorry for late response i had a 2.1 kernel, and it still works great. dont remember wich build i installed exactly but it whas somewhere from this forum
No matter what app I use it kills the battery. I think android need to work on it. Can't really listen to music on android phones without witnessing massive battery drain. How about you guys? Same issue? Any solution?
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Um well it uses battery yes but I wouldn't say its horrible.
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kenvan19 said:
Um well it uses battery yes but I wouldn't say its horrible.
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loosing 20 percent per hour is not horrible? with nothing but music playing
In general, battery technology needs to get better, and cheaper.
It's a little absurd to have all these apparently advantageous features like widgets, live wallpapers, syncs, bluetooth, or in your case, an app like music, but not be able to fully use them without suffering major battery loss. If you want to use them, they have to be monitored or hedged in some way. You even have people needing to don black wallpapers to conserve battery.
I'm aware that that's just the technology of full screen smart phones, but it's about time battery technology made some gains as well. I love all these features, but I'm tired of not being able to use them fully or having to carry extra batteries or having to live by the charger.
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loosing 20 percent per hour is not horrible? with nothing but music playing
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I was speaking to my case which does not have those kinds of losses. Dollars to donuts, you have something else causing the massive battery drain.
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In general, battery technology needs to get better, and cheaper.
It's a little absurd to have all these apparently advantageous features like widgets, live wallpapers, syncs, bluetooth, or in your case, an app like music, but not be able to fully use them without suffering major battery loss. If you want to use them, they have to be monitored or hedged in some way. You even have people needing to don black wallpapers to conserve battery.
I'm aware that that's just the technology of full screen smart phones, but it's about time battery technology made some gains as well. I love all these features, but I'm tired of not being able to use them fully or having to carry extra batteries or having to live by the charger.
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Actually, its not the batteries that are to blame. One of the reasons a good friend of mine who loves java based development hasn't made the jump to Android is the battery life. Because it is open-source, there are no checks made against apps to make sure they are not going to cause massive battery drain, data usage, or any other negative side effects. If we lived in the walled Apple garden, things would be different.
Basically, what I'm getting at is that you seem to have a lot of issues with the Android platform as a whole. Don't take this as harsh but perhaps you should look at other options because you seem to be very (vocally) unhappy with your phone and the Android system as a whole. You should be happy with your phone, not at odds with it.
You didn't say how fast a drain you're seeing.
I see about 5-8% per hour battery drain with music on multiple android devices with multiple apps. That's 12-20 hours playback depending on the device. About half what Apple claims to get out of the iPhone 4. I don't think the iPhone would last anywhere near 40 hours Apple says it would, but I haven't used mine much.
One of the advantages of a 'droid over an iPhone is that you can swap out the batteries. If you're a heavy user, you're just going to have to get used to the idea of plugging in while in the car or at the desk at work or carrying a spare battery and swapping.
I think the Nexus S has amazing battery life compared to any phone I've owned, including the iPhone 2/3g/3gs/4. None of those would make it through a full day any better than my Nexus S.
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You didn't say how fast a drain you're seeing.
I see about 5-8% per hour battery drain with music on multiple android devices with multiple apps. That's 12-20 hours playback depending on the device. About half what Apple claims to get out of the iPhone 4. I don't think the iPhone would last anywhere near 40 hours Apple says it would, but I haven't used mine much.
One of the advantages of a 'droid over an iPhone is that you can swap out the batteries. If you're a heavy user, you're just going to have to get used to the idea of plugging in while in the car or at the desk at work or carrying a spare battery and swapping.
I think the Nexus S has amazing battery life compared to any phone I've owned, including the iPhone 2/3g/3gs/4. None of those would make it through a full day any better than my Nexus S.
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He said he was getting 20% drain per hour. I find it strange however you got such horrible battery life on a 3GS. The developer friend I mentioned has a 3GS which she always gets at least two days use out of with very heavy use. I can't say if she listens to music on it (she isn't that big of a music person, to be honest) but she is always browsing the web, sending texts, emails and getting calls.
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Basically, what I'm getting at is that you seem to have a lot of issues with the Android platform as a whole. Don't take this as harsh but perhaps you should look at other options because you seem to be very (vocally) unhappy with your phone and the Android system as a whole. You should be happy with your phone, not at odds with it.
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@onthecouchagain, I drafted almost the exact same thing to you the other day in a different thread but hit cancel because I thought it wouldn't be well received, but I have to agree with kenvan19 here...
No one around here seems more unhappy with the Nexus S than you do. Multiple issues, multiple dissatisfactions, multiple frustrated-sounding threads. Why do you keep the thing? In the end it's just a phone; it's not worth all the frustration you seem to have with it. Go back to the iPhone; it's a great device with fewer quirks, albeit fewer freedoms.
Are we just getting the wrong impression of how you feel about the phone overall?
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No he didn't. The original poster (flameinthefire) didn't say how much drain he was experieincing. Someone else said 20% per hour (2012iawait) in a later post.
@flameinthefire - how much drain do you get per hour? Have you tested that? Have you looked in the battery usage stats to see if there's a hint there?
@2012iawait - what music app are you using that drains your phone 20% per hour? If it's a stand-alone app playing local MP3 files, there's something wrong for sure. If you're using Pandora, or Stitcher, or something like that, don't forget that you're streaming off the net, which means a full time data connection has to be maintained and that will definitely drain your battery at that kind of rate.
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No he didn't. The original poster (flameinthefire) didn't say how much drain he was experieincing. Someone else said 20% per hour (2012iawait) in a later post.
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You are correct. I did not notice that, I apologize.
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loosing 20 percent per hour is not horrible? with nothing but music playing
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There is something wrong with the battery, apps, or how you're using it. 20% loss over an hour with only music playing doesn't make any sense.
Don't know what the op means by "crazy" battery drain. With the screen off and just playing music I only really see it drop about 5-6% an hour. When my phone is idle sitting on the table just hooked onto data, it's usually around 3-4% an hour so an extra 2-3% extra isn't too bad. With airplane mode on I'm sure I would see about 5% or under an hour for music playback. (Headphones, obviously. Playing over the speaker would use more battery)
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Basically, what I'm getting at is that you seem to have a lot of issues with the Android platform as a whole. Don't take this as harsh but perhaps you should look at other options because you seem to be very (vocally) unhappy with your phone and the Android system as a whole. You should be happy with your phone, not at odds with it.
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@onthecouchagain, I drafted almost the exact same thing to you the other day in a different thread but hit cancel because I thought it wouldn't be well received, but I have to agree with kenvan19 here...
No one around here seems more unhappy with the Nexus S than you do. Multiple issues, multiple dissatisfactions, multiple frustrated-sounding threads. Why do you keep the thing? In the end it's just a phone; it's not worth all the frustration you seem to have with it. Go back to the iPhone; it's a great device with fewer quirks, albeit fewer freedoms.
Are we just getting the wrong impression of how you feel about the phone overall?
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Both perfectly fair questions. I don't want to hi-jack this thread so I'll answer as briefly as possible. This is more or less what I've said in other threads...
I'm just disappointed by the promises of "stock Android" experience. Part of that is my fault for believing it, but part of that is also the misconception people continue to perpetuate. One of the biggest features that Nexus-lovers tout is not only that they get the latest updates, but they get the cleanest updates -- free of OEM skins that hamper the phone. Stock Android certainly has its advantages, and I would never defend OEM skins, but as it turns out, stock Android hampers the phone more than just fine by itself. The promise was that the lack of OEM skins would finally let the Android OS thrive to its fullest potential, but it's a farce, and GB is chock full of its own glitches and issues. (There are also oddities which perplex me. I recently discovered there is no way to organize bookmarks in the stock browser. I understand the most visited sites show up first, but why not offer the feature to organize the way I want it to as well? What happened to freedom of choice? Also, isn't that what the "Most Visited" tab is for?)
I realize no platform is perfect and I am generally a huge proponent of virtually all things Google (Gmail, Chrome), but I'm becoming more and more disenchanted by Android.
Having said that, I love and enjoy many things about Android, and my complaints are primarily voiced in the hopes to see Android continue to grow and improve (someone mentioned Googlers read, sometimes even post, at these forums). I am doing my part in submitting reports and feature-requests to Google and often link them to garner more support/stars. (my latest request: custom auto-corrections for the keyboard: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=14420. Please star, I think it'll be a great asset to the keyboard). I am not sitting idly and complaining; I am criticizing, and there is a difference. About the iPhone suggestion, there were many things I disliked about iOS (I was just as critical! Heh). But I do mention the iPhone, especially when talking about keyboards, because clearly there are some things it does better -- and we should be able to admit that without being accused of fanboyism (not that such a thing doesn't exist). I am not quite ready to divorce myself from the Nexus line yet, despite becoming disenchanted by the OS, and will still keep an eye on the next Nexus whenever/whatever that may be. If the Nexus S and GB weren't so chock full of issues, I'd be singing a different tune. My hope is that as updates come, the issues will be resolved and the overall OS will be improved upon. Until then, what issues it has warrants discussion.
Lastly, many people here have helped me figure solutions to many of my problems, which I greatly appreciate.
Sorry. The post ended up longer than I intended. Back to batteries...
I have found that Winamp and Doubletwist seem to really kick my battery's butt. Cubed and PowerAmp do better. I don't use the stock Music player because when I get out of the car and unplug the phone it starts playing music every time and I can't stand it.