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So I finally got rid of my iPhone 3G (jailbroken on T-Mobile), and got an HD2 instead. I've always liked Windows Mobile phones (and had most iterations), and since now there is finally some capacitative goodness on WM, I jumped on the opportunity.
And I'm regretting it already.
I'm hoping that somebody here has some suggestion that my two days of thread searching, and experimenting didn't cover.
The problem is, yay, .... the damn battery.
I left it on the charger from totally empty to completely full at 2AM. At 8AM, it was down to 85%. Ten minutes of reading e-mails, 74%. The thing is really not usable in this state.
Here are all the things I checked already:
It runs the latest T-Mobile ROM and radio (the one that just came out a few days ago).
Latest version of .NET (3.5.9).
No push e-mail, e-mail checking once per hour, weather checking once per hour.
Strong 3G coverage area, still tried out WMLongLife anyway (with no difference).
Did several cycles of full discharge, recharge.
Always check task manager, not leaving programs running.
Nothing else is set to go online - Live is disabled.
Screen brightness is set at 30%.
All charges done via wall charger.
I read every post I could find, especially fun the ones where people get 4 days of standby, and 6+ hours of heavy use. Short of loading the ARTEMIS ROM, I exhausted all options I could find. And really, it seems like people get decent performance from the stock ROM, so I'd like to stick with that for the moment.
What am I missing?
So frustrating. I can see how this sort of thing would make the average "just user" go run for the Android or Apple hills. No wonder we get stuck with restrictive babysitting technology, when others can't get their **** together. Spend $450 on a phone that can't make it through a half day of reasonable use? Argh!!
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
same here
i have all the same problems my batt just sucks i figure i have to just by a new one
hey man, i was like you at first too. all my mates had iphones (i dislike apple in general) i didnt want one. At the time o2 (uk) didnt stock android phones and i had a sony x1 previously. So, i got the hd2 and...like you said was disapointed.
Changed the rom to a custom one here at xda (hdowners btw) which lasts 1.5 days (heavy usage)...never seems to get 2 full days when i use it alot.
installed a few different browsers (opera 9.7 and 10)
installed morphgear (with some amazing landscape skins)
fpsece (i found time crisis to be the only actual playable game)
coreplayer
and found it a awesome phone...changed my views on it. Try some custom roms and see what you think...usually you will go mad installing themes, skins, apps...just go wild and keep the ones you really like/work in a seperate folder. Then reflash and install the best only...thats how i done it and i now love this phone
good luck, im sure the rest of the forum will give you some advice.
wayandrs: The main thing that will help is by upgrading the ROM even if it is to stock 1.66 (the latest UK one available) then you notice a large difference and even more so with some of the cooked ones. Other things to note are the WiFi, make sure it doesn't be left on (and only turn it on if you need it) it proper drains the battery. Without knowing your habbits with your phone it is very hard to come up with decent suggestions that hasn't already been posted elsewhere.
I can safely say I get 2-3 days use out of my device but then I don't use it all that much (anymore), don't forget as it is a new toy for you, you will keep playing with it seeing what it can do, this will soon die down (as it always does) then it will be better.
there must be something wrong with your device or battery.
mine lasts for about 3-4 days while middle use. i think for such a powerful and huge device, this is more than respectable.
heavy use...mh...i would say it lasts minimal 2 days, sometimes more.
did you write a complain to t-mobile?
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The battery will improve after a week or so .
Note : charging your battery the first time for only 6hours isn't much , the first time that i charged my battery i left it charging for 24 hours.
Updating to the latest ROM and Radio helps .
I have two suggestions:
1) Take your phone back to where you bought it and let them deal with it. I get at least a full day with heavy use which is to be expected from a high end device with a 4.3 inch screen. I spent a few dollars on a car charger and an extra wall charger for work, sorted.
2) If you want help on these forums leave out the useless complaining about what a rotten device you have. I think I speak for many contributors of this forum when I say that these kind of posts are getting old and wearisome. You will be more likely to get polite replies with inteligent suggestions if you simply state the problem without moaning about the horrible mistake you made in being seduced into buying an HD2. I have purchased phones that I simply did not care for. I returned them.
First step: Flash a decent ROM with most of the performance/battery tricks in there already. Many of these ROMs are constructed from the best (often most battery efficient) parts of multiple ROMS.
Touch-X, Energy, Artemis, CleanEx, etc. All are excellent (though I favour Touch-X myself for a great utility/preformance/battery balance).
Second step: Flash a good Radio that works well in your area but also works well with the ROM/has decent battery life. You'll need to research this for your chosen ROM.
I use the Korean radio in UK. Good quality/signal/battery life.
Run it for a few days, charging to full and emptying the battery before recharging to full again. Do this for 3/4 days at least.
Those changes alone got me upto 2.5 days standby and 4 hours usage (thats movie playing for 4 hours with 100% backlight in a hotel room). Good for a smartphone and longer than my friends IPhones.
Other small programs like WMLongLife, adjusting down the backlight automatically, added another .5 days to standby (though not much to active use life).
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I have two suggestions:
1) Take your phone back to where you bought it and let them deal with it. I get at least a full day with heavy use which is to be expected from a high end device with a 4.3 inch screen. I spent a few dollars on a car charger and an extra wall charger for work, sorted.
2) If you want help on these forums leave out the useless complaining about what a rotten device you have. I think I speak for many contributors of this forum when I say that these kind of posts are getting old and wearisome. You will be more likely to get polite replies with inteligent suggestions if you simply state the problem without moaning about the horrible mistake you made in being seduced into buying an HD2. I have purchased phones that I simply did not care for. I returned them.
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Yes, sorry I fell back on the usual retoric.
I do wonder though if when someone buys a new 'Toy' that they dont hammer it to start with for the 'joy' and never think of the consequences.
I like you, no matter which phone I own, being a businessman and needing maximum performance have a charger at my bedside (the phone is my alarm) and also connect it to the car charger when driving.
I wonder if many of the people that move up from a basic Nokia phone (or similar that can last a week) realise what is involved in powering all the functions they require?
Please don't quote iPhone as it dunt do half!
try elegencia rom v 8.5 and reply back
I use the stock rom 1.66 from the beginning and check my mail automatically every 30 minutes. Now and then I check some websites and download cabs and use HSDPA/3G and WIFI if available. My battery is 100% in the morning and 70 percent in the evening. Not bad at all. The first 12 times I fully charched the battery during the night.
I use Bandswitch, which automatically disables my connection within 30 seconds. This is the most important and useful tip! You don't need a custom ROM to solve the battery drain issue.
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+1 - Lovely ROM
it looks like you have not a windows phone before
Thanks.
Thanks for the ROM suggestions. I'll try a few more days of deep cycling the battery to see if that helps - if not, I guess I'll try a custom ROM.
And yea, to those 'get a life' and 'don't complain about Windows phones' posts, whatever. I've owned Windows Mobile phones since they first came out, and it's just frustrating that the out-of-the box usability hasn't gotten any better to this day. Looks at the cool people that actually manage some constructive feedback - they are who make XDA forums great. Thanks guys!
A new 1200 battery is 15 pounds (the official from HTC) as a backup. I personaly have bought the extended battery 2400 and it is great. The default battery doesn't last the full day for me because I use it constinuosly as mp3 player , brownsing and video player. I mean, you have options.
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I'll be trying the Elegancia ROM.
That is, once I find a ROM with 2.8 SPL that works on my 1024 version of the H2, to reflash mine so I can get HSPL to work to flash.
I've always really liked Windows Mobile for its flexibility and massive base of developers ... on the flip side, I've been screwing around with this thing for several days now, trying to get a phone that can last through a day. Ahhh, the bittersweet experience that is WM.
I get at most 2 days combined cycle out of my stanard battery and i've had my phone for about 10 days. It came with the stock 1.66 rom but i've run through the tips and tweaks threads so the phone ui is faster and a bit more usable. One of those is a replacement task manager that disables smart minimize in favour of actually closing programs. I've also set the weather software to update every 3 hours because tbh you don't need it to be any more often than that. I do use the wifi alot but i do turn it off when i'm not using the phone. i have also noticed with my phone is if the wifi is connected to an access point for more than 5 minutes it will automatically disable the 3G connection and turn it back on when the wifi is disabled.
for the first couple of days i was completely discharging the battery and then charging it for about 12 hours. this seems to have been the most beneficial. i also will not put it on charge unless it really needs it.
hi, from experience, 3G medium usuage.. 4/5 a day.
If you disconect the 3G connection when not using, it will help.
And of course if you go on GSM instead, one day is not difficult..
battery killer :
1) constant 3G activity
2) Watching video. Worst, video on 3G !
3) games, especially the 3Ds ones or high on processing like the Tower simulation game.
4) bright screen
5) bluetooth
From my experience, from a fresh flash, my battery improves as I get to use it longer and longer.
take a look at your data sync like weather and stock and also check the social networking sync.
Hello folks,
This is my first post here so I am glad to be here. I just installed the Autoboot program for my build as specified below. I was testing the ChuckyDroidROM (which I really love for its simplicty) with both Matt's Froyo with Sense UI (which I enjoy quite a bit) and the Cyanogen Mod version with shubCRAFT 1.4 and I am finding that I am getting a much better battery life with the latter.
So basically I would like to get a reference for battery life with the tweaks here for each type of combination out there so that we can get an idea of what people are getting.
After all, I am sure that we can get longer battery life that of the EVO can we?
Thanks, Albert
as long as you put the android on sdcard, the answer is no
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qingcai said:
as long as you put the android on sdcard, the answer is no
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It doesn't matter so much if it runs on sd, because mainly it's running on memory of the phone and it's same as other android phones.
In ways it's even better/faster than phones nand if you have quick sd card.
Android need to access to sdcard to launch and work. Sdcard access has a power consumption ... So Power consumption is higher in Android, but when a Nand Version of Android will be released, it'll be proximately the same between Android and Wm.
agree with the other posts, but if your new here, read the posting guidelines. This section is for development only, not really a q&a section. If you click top left, HTC Leo: HD2 that will back you out to the main Leo section, from that point you can see the different sections and have a better idea where to post..welcome to XDA, this is one of the most knowledgeable forums I have come across.
I'm not convinced NAND will help battery life all that much, my battery use is dominated by cell standby when I'm not using the phone, and screen when I am. NAND won't reduce either of those.
I'm using TMOUS Energy Reference, Leo_Radio_2.12.50.02_2 and Xcelsior's with great results. Battery easily lasts an entire day.
I tested it out with the build in my signature and got about 12 hours of heavy use using 3G but tomorrow I plan to use only EDGE and hopefully get better life for sure.
There are too many variables in everyone's configuration to do a comparison of battery life(twitter, Exchange, POP, IMAP, Facebook, web usage, talk time, WM ROM, Android build etc). However, it might be useful to show what works for individuals and share ideas.
I don't buy into the "NAND saving battery" too much. It's still memory that needs to be accessed. It will be faster on NAND, but better battery life? I don't have the specs on power consumption per access but I would think an Android build that utilized hardware more efficiently would have bigger impact.
Take for instance your example.... why is your shubCRAFT using less battery than mattc?
battery won't improve very much in final versions, maybe -10% or so (+sleep)
but will never get as good as in WM, because android doesn't have very good optimized PM (even when they finish as much as it can be done). look at any android vs. WM device with comparable internals and you'll see that wm has much longer stand-up time
but hey if you take into consideration hd2's tiny batt i think htc has done some great job with hardware
I plan to downgrade my radio from 2.12 to 2.11 and I suspect will increase battery life a lot. Will post more later.
Testing the Xcelsior Sense build and loving it.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Just thought I would share my thoughts to those who may be interested.
I cannot recomment WP7 as it currently stands my issues with it are as follows:
Power managements is shockingly bad - I remember the days of WM6+ when an application you had left open would sap the life out of the battery in an hour or two - well it seems MS have learnt nothing from this and it still happens. On two occasions (I have only had the phone for 4 days) I have been playing a game (Bejewelled last time), switched off the phone and left it to find a little later it was completely dead - the last time it was on charge through a laptop usb port at the time.
Game loading times - it's a mobile device - I use it for filling a few spare moments and the last thing I want to do is to waste half of those spare moments watching a loading screen. The Omnia 7 is supposed to be faster than most of the HTC devices with their built in SD cards. I ran a little comparison with the iPhone 4. Bejewelled (a very simple game) - loading time on Omnia 7 - 23 seconds, loading time for Bejewelled 2 on iPhone 4 - 4 seconds (loading time from the multitasking tab - instant).
Resuming games - most games I have tried have poor resume ability - halfway through a game and receive a phone call - you have to start again - really annoying and not what I have come to expect - I was impressed when PSP achieved it back in 2005 but to not have it in 2010 is a big mistake.
I have other issues with battery charging - the Omnia 7 needs to be on charge more than it is in use at the moment - iPhone 4 - charge it through your USB port for an hour and it is 50-75% charged - do the same with the Omnia and you get about 25%.
Obviously it is early days for WP7 - but MS are not new to this game - I would have thought they would have learnt more from Google and Apple.
I currently would not recommend WP7 to any of my friends and I have less than 1 day left to decide whether to return my Omnia and exchange it for a Desire HD.
I swapped from a Galaxy to Omnia and on build quality and I much prefer Omnia to Galaxy. I prefer the non recessed screen and the vibrate in windows keys.
Sure WP7 is missing a lot of features that frankly should of been there from day 1 but I knew that comming into this device.
I like the live tiles compared to Galaxy homescreens / Iphone app look. Not to worried about apps at this stage as I am more of a business user so office and outlook are gold for me in this phone.
The rest I am happy to work with over time
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Just thought I would share my thoughts to those who may be interested.
I cannot recomment WP7 as it currently stands my issues with it are as follows:
Power managements is shockingly bad - I remember the days of WM6+ when an application you had left open would sap the life out of the battery in an hour or two - well it seems MS have learnt nothing from this and it still happens. On two occasions (I have only had the phone for 4 days) I have been playing a game (Bejewelled last time), switched off the phone and left it to find a little later it was completely dead - the last time it was on charge through a laptop usb port at the time.
Game loading times - it's a mobile device - I use it for filling a few spare moments and the last thing I want to do is to waste half of those spare moments watching a loading screen. The Omnia 7 is supposed to be faster than most of the HTC devices with their built in SD cards. I ran a little comparison with the iPhone 4. Bejewelled (a very simple game) - loading time on Omnia 7 - 23 seconds, loading time for Bejewelled 2 on iPhone 4 - 4 seconds (loading time from the multitasking tab - instant).
Resuming games - most games I have tried have poor resume ability - halfway through a game and receive a phone call - you have to start again - really annoying and not what I have come to expect - I was impressed when PSP achieved it back in 2005 but to not have it in 2010 is a big mistake.
I have other issues with battery charging - the Omnia 7 needs to be on charge more than it is in use at the moment - iPhone 4 - charge it through your USB port for an hour and it is 50-75% charged - do the same with the Omnia and you get about 25%.
Obviously it is early days for WP7 - but MS are not new to this game - I would have thought they would have learnt more from Google and Apple.
I currently would not recommend WP7 to any of my friends and I have less than 1 day left to decide whether to return my Omnia and exchange it for a Desire HD.
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I just think that if you are going to say just bad things, you should at least provide some more info:
1. WP7 is v1 and very new! iOS is version 4 and exists now for almost 4 years?
2. The same when developing apps (loading times, power management, resuming games - yes WP7 supports app freezing, but developers have to integrate it on the apps, etc...). Can you really say that WP7 is slow? Slower that iPhone 4? No. But if the Bejeweled app is slower of course WP7 is the one to blame... Did you think that most developers just ported the games between platforms?
3. Not recommending WP7 because of this should be as much important to ppl who think like you... But have you thought about all the other ppl? WP7 can be used from all genders and ages from 4 to 70 and more, without the need to take a course to learn to use it... Can you really say the same about all the other mobiles OSes? No... WP7 is THAT simple
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3. Not recommending WP7 because of this should be as much important to ppl who think like you... But have you thought about all the other ppl? WP7 can be used from all genders and ages from 4 to 70 and more, without the need to take a course to learn to use it... Can you really say the same about all the other mobiles OSes? No... WP7 is THAT simple
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To be honest, I've been recommending to my friends to stay away from WP7 for the moment.
unfortunately it doesn't have the flexibility of android nor the variety of apps of iOS
what it does have is eye candy and i think for most people looking for smart phones, that effect will wear out quickly.
what i do believe is that microsoft will make large and quick improvements to bring it up to level with the other OS's
I must agree with the original poster's comments on power management - I'm genuinely shocked by how much this thing eats battery. A half-hour of playing a game on the train and my battery goes from almost fully charged (after a night of being plugged into my desktop) to losing at least a quarter of juice.
Last night, I played a bit of Bejeweled in bed, and when I was done, I lazily returned to the Start screen and left the phone on my bedside table rather than plug it in. The phone was fully charged before I started playing Bejeweled; I don't know how much charge was left exactly when I finished playing (again, a half-hour or so of gameplay), but when I woke up seven hours later, the battery indicator was almost completely empty.
Now, I love a lot about this phone, and I want to be totally happy and recommend it to everyone I know - but as things stand, the battery life and power consumption is absolutely terrible unless you're doing nothing but leaving the phone idle all day long.
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Now, I love a lot about this phone, and I want to be totally happy and recommend it to everyone I know - but as things stand, the battery life and power consumption is absolutely terrible unless you're doing nothing but leaving the phone idle all day long.
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Agreed. The battery life is worse than on my 2 year old Xperia, even when it's not doing anything.
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I just think that if you are going to say just bad things, you should at least provide some more info:
1. WP7 is v1 and very new! iOS is version 4 and exists now for almost 4 years?
2. The same when developing apps (loading times, power management, resuming games - yes WP7 supports app freezing, but developers have to integrate it on the apps, etc...). Can you really say that WP7 is slow? Slower that iPhone 4? No. But if the Bejeweled app is slower of course WP7 is the one to blame... Did you think that most developers just ported the games between platforms?
3. Not recommending WP7 because of this should be as much important to ppl who think like you... But have you thought about all the other ppl? WP7 can be used from all genders and ages from 4 to 70 and more, without the need to take a course to learn to use it... Can you really say the same about all the other mobiles OSes? No... WP7 is THAT simple
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Thanks for your comments - I get the impresion that I offended you personally from your response - I just wanted to provide some thoughts - I can't believe anyone takes this as gospel.
To respond -
1. I think my comment 'it is early days' covered this - what I find amazing is that Microsoft are not new to developing for mobile devices and allowing a 'rogue' app - it doesn't even need to be particularly rogue - to consume all the battery charge while the phone is in a standby state is just schoolboy. Same happens with MW 6.0, 6.5 etc - have they learnt nothing. It is unforgivable as people rely on their phones and should you see you have a half full battery you should be confident that you have at least say 4-6 hours remaining - I use my phone to wake me up for work frequently - if I cannot rely on my phone it is no use to me.
2. Do you really think that app developers simply sloppily porting games between platforms is acceptable? MS have to approve these apps/games before they are available to us mere mortals - they have a huge vested interest in the OS working so they shouldn't allow this laziness to ruin the OS experience.
3. Battery life and reliabilty are huge issues. This OS is going directly up against iOS and it falls way short. I have otehr issues - my phone seems to lose 3G internet access in certain apps - when it happens I test it by opening a web page - that works but my e-mail cannot sync or Xbox Live cannot connect or whatever - I am living in the centre of Milan so 3G availability is not a problem. This is a major problem when they are pushing their cloud services.
Personally i have found the battery life superior to WM6.1
The long loading times some have commented on I have not even noticed. Certainly not 20 seconds plus.
Just for example now i tried...
Unite loaded in 5 seconds.
Halo waypoint in 5 seconds.
Some 3rd party air hockey game loaded in 3 seconds.
Pretty quick to me.
I have found WP7 pretty good so far especially since its V1.0 and have been recomending it to family and friends.
Some things are annoying. One example would be the lack of file system access but i knew about these issues coming into WP7 and as such i don't understand how people can complain that they have bought a handset and are frustrated by it.
I've only had the Omnia 7 for 3 days but I don't find the battery that bad at all.
I have switched EVERYTHING on that saps the battery from day 1 - gps, skydrive uploading, myphone polling, wifi, bluetooth, syncing with zune over wifi, etc.
I am a heavy internet user and of course as it's a new toy have been downloading all the games and playing them too and I don't see see the battery being sapped in an hour or two at all. The battery is low after about 6 hours non-stop game playing and browsing which Is excessive power usage.
The only downside for me Is pressing the search button within Internet Explorer and getting the damn T-Mobile page with the google search. I wish there was a way to switch it back to Bing as I prefer it to google.
Very impressed otherwise, especially how quick the browser is and skydrive with my GB's of photos.
If you are loosing 3G reception then that could be the source of your battery drain as It's not locking on and wasting power.
P.S. In another post you said you had sent the phone back and were swapping It for the Desire?????
I can pretty much co-sign what root beer said.
Coming from a bunch of wm phones and lately iphone 3gs I say the battery is better then the one in the iphone. I have been using the phone a lot with everything turned on and it almost lasted for 2 days.
Really like wp7 and the phone except for the stupid t-mobile homepage in IE and the startup picture.
Switch Bluetooth and WiFi off when they are not needed, also turn the screen brightness to Low, it's actually perfectly usable and there isn't much difference to be honest! You'll find the battery is fine after that. With normal phone, gaming and 3G usage, I charge my Omnia every 2 days.
Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
i'm afraid that cotulla getting tired of us. from what i saw we are very impatient people
some of us chase and beg as if we own people as slaves of developers
i know not you perhaps, but there are many out there who probably are inconsiderate
there is another group, which has donated before and expect the sky and moon to shine gold dust
however, we should just wait patiently. if it bothers you, switch back to HSPL. i still remember cotulla saying with HSPL , you should be invincible
use your Windows Mobile 6.5 as everyday use.. use an Android you love and find most stable
Windows Phone 7 is just a week odd old give it some time, like most things in development world requires
I have read some things about them working on Meego or something. That will eat up some of his time and maybe the DFT team wont do any updating before MS releases the updates?
waiting for wp7 rom kichen...
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Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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Good point. WP7 hasn't been out that long.
Also, OP should consider that battery drain is just one issue. There's plenty of other problems that might take priority for DFT. It's also possible that for now they prefer to work on something else entirely, like MeeGo. As others have said, this is not a job for them. Nobody's paying them, and they're actually under no obligation to update anything at all. Donations do not equal an employment contract.
I personally curious what's causing the high battery use. My HD2 is currently not my primary phone, so right now it's spending most of its time in flight mode, only connected through wifi. I've found that the battery easily lasts several days like this. Haven't really pushed it, because charging a completely dead battery can be a bit of a problem, but my phone's now on its 3rd day since the last charge.
Yes well WP8 will come next! Wait and see...
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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if you read my last statement, you'll notice that I said that I'm not being impatient. Just genuinely curious. I was posing this question simply to see if anyone had heard or read anything. Save your lectures for someone else.
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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meptik said:
Good point. WP7 hasn't been out that long.
Also, OP should consider that battery drain is just one issue. There's plenty of other problems that might take priority for DFT. It's also possible that for now they prefer to work on something else entirely, like MeeGo. As others have said, this is not a job for them. Nobody's paying them, and they're actually under no obligation to update anything at all. Donations do not equal an employment contract.
I personally curious what's causing the high battery use. My HD2 is currently not my primary phone, so right now it's spending most of its time in flight mode, only connected through wifi. I've found that the battery easily lasts several days like this. Haven't really pushed it, because charging a completely dead battery can be a bit of a problem, but my phone's now on its 3rd day since the last charge.
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there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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if you read my last statement, you'll notice that I said that I'm not being impatient. Just genuinely curious. I was posing this question simply to see if anyone had heard or read anything. Save your lectures for someone else.
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You are impatient if and when they decided to release an update its up to them. If you're so curious maybe go read a book
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there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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Yes, and also bear in mind that battery life is far superior on NAND Android than it is on SD Android, so I really don't see Magldr a problem for battery drain.
So, with that in mind, I have to ask....
What do you want a new version of Magldr for? What do you expect from it?
Actually, this seems like a good a place as any to ask: doesn't the current MAGLDR have an issue with charging the battery when its dead (near 0%?) I leave my phone plugged in as much as possible because I'm afraid of not being able to revive it...! I have other phones that I use so I can do this.
Or is that not a MAGLDR issue? I'm just guessing this would affect NANDroid as well if it is.
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Actually, this seems like a good a place as any to ask: doesn't the current MAGLDR have an issue with charging the battery when its dead (near 0%?) I leave my phone plugged in as much as possible because I'm afraid of not being able to revive it...! I have other phones that I use so I can do this.
Or is that not a MAGLDR issue? I'm just guessing this would affect NANDroid as well if it is.
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People are saying so, yes, but I talked a guy through charging his phone earlier when it had run out, with Magldr on his phone and WP7 as his OS.
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there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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That speculation is probably reality. In fact I still get better battery life out of my HD2 than my wife's HD7 when under the same usage habits. Of course if I am playing "The Harvest" for a couple of hours, checking my email constantly, and whatever else I want to do with my phone, I am going to see significant drop in battery life.
If you want to better your battery, change when your email syncs, disable location services, switch to a manual brightness setting, turn off 3G, etc. Those are some ways to increase battery life.
Just know it isn't just the HD2, it is about every Win phone with a massive screen like ours, and live tiles constantly updating. But hey that is the beauty of this phone, big, bright and fun.
I am sure MS is aware that the batteries on the devices get drained faster than they should, and eventually it is going to be corrected.
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You are impatient if and when they decided to release an update its up to them. If you're so curious maybe go read a book
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Thanks, officer. I'll be sure to run any questions I have by you first so you can let me know if they are worthy of posting in the Q&A forum. Cotulla and DFT must appreciate you screening these questions.
Seriously... Its a legitimate, relevant question.
It has been stated in other threads that MAGLDR could be causing the battery charging issues, and to a lesser extent, drain issues. I'm not blowing up the boards, shouting out and demanding results from devs.
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Thanks, officer. I'll be sure to run any questions I have by you first so you can let me know if they are worthy of posting in the Q&A forum. Cotulla and DFT must appreciate you screening these questions.
Seriously... Its a legitimate, relevant question.
It has been stated in other threads that MAGLDR could be causing the battery charging issues, and to a lesser extent, drain issues. I'm not blowing up the boards, shouting out and demanding results from devs.
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Lulz no need to get snippy he is just stating what everyone is thinking.
Your post looks a lot like hey why is there no new updates for more then 10 days OMG 10 days. GIMME GIMME GIMME. You are not in the DFT groups you are not in the communication groups surrounding the testers or a developer. So yes you will most likely not hear a single word about the new releases of any software until they are released. Just sit back and relax and eat some popcorn and all good things eventually will come.
Get real guys
Dont you guys remember back in the WM5 and 6 days. How longer it took to get some real cracking, and development going.
It says WP7, but its a totally different OS with no bases to go off of. LEO70 is Ground 0.
I suggest that if can't wait for these extremely gracious developers to crack, modify and release Roms , THEN CRACK OPEN A BOOK AND LEARN TO DO IT YOURSELVES.
I'm just happy we got WP7 at all.
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Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
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Why not look at all post done by Cotulla? Here is one from yesterday:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10832817&postcount=1404
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That speculation is probably reality. In fact I still get better battery life out of my HD2 than my wife's HD7 when under the same usage habits. Of course if I am playing "The Harvest" for a couple of hours, checking my email constantly, and whatever else I want to do with my phone, I am going to see significant drop in battery life.
If you want to better your battery, change when your email syncs, disable location services, switch to a manual brightness setting, turn off 3G, etc. Those are some ways to increase battery life.
Just know it isn't just the HD2, it is about every Win phone with a massive screen like ours, and live tiles constantly updating. But hey that is the beauty of this phone, big, bright and fun.
I am sure MS is aware that the batteries on the devices get drained faster than they should, and eventually it is going to be corrected.
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I'm pretty sure the sd card you use with wp7 plays a big part in battery life... when I was using a 32gb class4 kingston, wp7 didn't run that good, and the battery life was horrible... when I used 16gb class 2 Sandisk, wp7 ran flawlessly and battery life was great. Now i'm using 32gb class2 Sandisk, and have it partitionsso 21gb goes to wp7 and 8gb is used for running android, and wp7 runs great, and battery life is good, but not quite as good as it was with 16gb sandisk. Since wp7 uses sd card as internal memory, it's almost constantly using it, and since different sd cards use different amounts of power, it has to make a difference.
I'm on Twilight DFC ( last version with htc hub )
Rom use : 2.14.50
HSPL : 2.08
card SD : micro SD sandisk 4Go class 4
Magldr : 1.3
Use : no really ( check my mails every 3 hours , 20 sms per day , little internet with 3g.
Désactivated : my 3g, wifi, localisation for a better battery level. My emails are checking just every hour by option.
Results : 100% at 8 A.m , 20% at 7 P.m ...
The battery are very drain...
with rom 2.15.50 it is the same
rom i have use : xmob 1.3 / 1.4 , moonlight ... and.. it is the same problem.
Please help me .
Same issue here. It's about 60mA battery drain, guess something wrong in power management.
You've most likely forgot to disable bluetooth completley. There is a 60mA BT bug in some roms.
bluetooth is off, but the battery running time is still bad. What Radio Rom is definitely the best ?
How to completely turn off bluetooth? It was turned off in settings
Yes, Settings/Bluetooth disable
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bluetooth is off, but the battery running time is still bad. What Radio Rom is definitely the best ?
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2.12.50 with the battery tweak found in the development subforum gives me over a day with moderate to heavy usage (games, 3G internet, 3 e-mail [email protected] min, 30 min. voice calls). In standby (only mail sync on) I get 10-12% battery drop over the night.
Wait for a few recharge cycles and it will settle. At first I got 12-15 hrs. After 2 weeks it got MUCH better.
is your batter being charged propperly?
The battery tweak sets the full level for the battery.
you must first charge the battery to its maximum level then run the reg tweak
Now here is the problem, WP7 on our HD2 will not charge the full batter all of the time. Quite often you must charge until it goes green, then reboot and charge so more, keep repeating until the HTC battery tool reports the ACR level roughly the same as the FULL level.
to give you an idea
Ive just charged my phone over night, it says its full, it wont charge any more but the tool reports it only half full, even though the indicator shows full. But my battery life will drop like a rock and may report being empty when its not.
If i restart my phone just now the tool shows a jump in ACR value to about 800mAh it then allows me to charge the remaining 400mAh.
or you might find that restarting it shows the battery is full in both indicator and ACR value
The point is, after a full charge, restart the phone because until you do the phone doesnt appear to know whats goig on wth the battery, im guessing this is something to do with the fact that the HD7 and HD2 DO have some small differences inside.
I think what frustrates me more than anything else is the sheer unpredictability of my battery performance. I have done all the tweaks and installed the battery tool but overnight in the past week I have seen the battery go down as low as about 15-20% and remain as high as 80% with a range in between (estimated values, of course).
I'm now going to try to look at my data usage to see if anything is causing the radio to work extra hard some nights and not on others.
If it was at least consistent I could then start thinking about Radio versions, management strategies and the like but while it's so variable it a bit hard to get scientific with it...!
indeed it is a bit of a pain but remember we were never ment to have this ROM.
remember though it might be unpredictable because its not full, its not as easy as it sems to get a full charge, even when htc battery tool and MS tells us its full it might not be, persistant restart and charge usually gets it done
It is definitely battery problem exists! Don't try to hide it because all that stuff you are talking here to solve that is not working! Test in 2G network without any BT and WiFi during 24h failed, battery completely drained without reason.
no one is saying there isnt a problem, there are seveal problems
The big one is you shouldnt have WP7 on your HD2, our device was not supported, you cant say the HTC HD7 is the same because it is not, largely it is yes, but internally it has differences, one of these differences seem to be the controler for the battery
To be clear, WP7 cant report the correct battery level without tweaking it, and in some instances WP7 will not completely charge your phone but it may appear full there by leading to quick battery drainage
I second that. I think it's the matter of hit and miss. I have two hd2s, and one of them has ****e battery life. Both are using the same rom, same radio, same battery optimisation technique btw.
I bought an HD7 cause of the battery drainage of WP7 HD2, multi touching, downloading from market e.t.c!
I know HD2 is better than HD7 because you can have everything but... WP7 is my thing ya know??? So if you guys liked WP7 just go out there and buy your selves an official WP7 device! Believe me i l.o.v.e it and i will stick with it!
Battery life on HD7 is stunning! I have it running 3 days now and now i have 20% with moderate use..
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I bought an HD7 cause of the battery drainage of WP7 HD2, multi touching, downloading from market e.t.c!
I know HD2 is better than HD7 because you can have everything but... WP7 is my thing ya know??? So if you guys liked WP7 just go out there and buy your selves an official WP7 device! Believe me i l.o.v.e it and i will stick with it!
Battery life on HD7 is stunning! I have it running 3 days now and now i have 20% with moderate use..
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Worse recommendation I ever saw. When first android port was released, there was huge battery drainage too but now I'm using android on my HD2 with 3 days batt life and I didn't buy new android device. So it can be fixed without wasting money.
In my opinion..Android is boring.. I know that battery life on Android HD2 is awesome but the OS is very Boring... When i flashed WP7 i said "this will be my daily OS" (i love simplicity..)... At that time i needed to charge my battery daily and i was a little bored of the hard keys and battery and stuff like that! (also i had some lost pixels on the screen) Didn't wanted to go back to Android though! So why do i have to keep my boring HD2??? Since i wanted to run WP7 as a daily OS i got my new HD7 (for 150Euro)
I am Just telling my opinion and i hope you agree with me...
I am a tech lover guy...Yesterday was iPhone, after that HD2,today HD7 and God knows what else for tomorrow!
where to get an hd7 for 150,- euro????? i'll going out and get two of them, too
for me wp7 is boring until now. almost no customization.. when you want to turn off data or wifi or bt you have to navigate through 2 or 3 menus.
and it is slow even though there are beautiful animations. (contacts open in about 2 seconds and in android it is about 0,5 seconds)
i am all for simplicity as long as you have all functions and speed.
btw battery is enough for 1 day with moderate use but forget using it from early morning and a long partynight
(camera issue still a bummer)
im all up for opinions on here....so ill give me own
Im sorry but i have not seen a more fluid and resposive device then the HD2 with WP7, iphone, android on various models even WP7 on other devices dont appear as quick as mine but thats the luck of the draw with using our HD2 some folk have had issues others think its amazing. contacts for me, around 200ish load instantly
luck of the draw
battery life is a concern still as is the camera other than that all is good
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In my opinion..Android is boring.. I know that battery life on Android HD2 is awesome but the OS is very Boring... When i flashed WP7 i said "this will be my daily OS" (i love simplicity..)... At that time i needed to charge my battery daily and i was a little bored of the hard keys and battery and stuff like that! (also i had some lost pixels on the screen) Didn't wanted to go back to Android though! So why do i have to keep my boring HD2??? Since i wanted to run WP7 as a daily OS i got my new HD7 (for 150Euro)
I am Just telling my opinion and i hope you agree with me...
I am a tech lover guy...Yesterday was iPhone, after that HD2,today HD7 and God knows what else for tomorrow!
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I'm not agree. You didn't notice that "super simple" WM7 consuming more energy than "boring" android? And what a point of this?
You know what, rich people always bored. I got my first iphone (3gs) just 3 month ago, and HD2 was like a gift from my friends in America.