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Problem with Blackstone (Need the Dr House that's in you)

First of all, hello everybody, I have an hard question to post you all.
I have had some "water probem" regarding my Blackstone.
After it, it worked good for about a week and now it totally drains the battery in 30 minutes. At least I thought it was draining it !!!
But the truth is that it doesn't drain it, because I checked it on another HD.
My diagnosys is that the part that reads and recharge the battery got oxidated.
I was thinking about forcing the HD not to read the battery or trick it telling him it that's always 100%.
The question is, how can I do that ? by registry ? disabling the process ? but most of it ..... is it possible ?
Thanks to all in advance.

grmethod said:
First of all, hello everybody, I have an hard question to post you all.
I have had some "water probem" regarding my Blackstone.
After it, it worked good for about a week and now it totally drains the battery in 30 minutes. At least I thought it was draining it !!!
But the truth is that it doesn't drain it, because I checked it on another HD.
My diagnosys is that the part that reads and recharge the battery got oxidated.
I was thinking about forcing the HD not to read the battery or trick it telling him it that's always 100%.
The question is, how can I do that ? by registry ? disabling the process ? but most of it ..... is it possible ?
Thanks to all in advance.
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WELL dr.house would say do a biopsy and if you locate the cancer you could sent the patient to surgery, the pest parts for a translplant can you find here. Unless your diagnosis will work, i doubt it but hey who knows!
http://cnn.cn/shop/t8282-touch-blackstone-c-277_667.html

Wow, thanks that's a really good site.
Anyway I already treated it for everything, lupus included...... I really think that if I could get it not to continusly check the battery I could use it with the only problem of not being able to charge it.
I'll keep looking forward to try to do this by code !
Thanks al lot anyway.

I love that show. House is hilarious.
Good luck getting things figured out. I'm sure it's technically possible but I imagine it would require hacking of the OS itself.
My users ask me all the time, "Is it possible for you to .... "
I always answer, "Anything is *possible*. But..."

I totaly agree with you my friend.
Anyway, I figured it out.......It was the camera, that damn little camera was heating up (A LOOOT) the main board.
I just unplugged it a my HD came to life again (too bad I just bought a brand new HD2 --- :-D ) well, I'll use it for Rom cooking.
Anyway, thanks.

Battery 'Life' tricks

I read about this on a professional site but cannot remember where. Here is what you do:
"To help with battery life you can do these steps EXACTLY:
1. Turn your device ON and CHARGE the device for 8 hours or more
2. UNPLUG the device and TURN the phone OFF and CHARGE for 1 hour
3. UNPLUG the device TURN ON and wait 2 minutes and then TURN OFF and CHARGE for another hour
Your battery life should double. We have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well"
I am still waiting for my phone but I will try this as soon as I get it. I am wondering if this trick applies only to new phones or not? If someone will like to test this please go ahead and give us some feedback. Thanks

no offence but can you tell me how you can charge the device which has been charging for 8 hours? to my knowledge, there are circuits that avoids over-charging in these kind of devices?

You got a point. Like I said, I took this off the net but cannot remember where.

Check out this article: http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-i9000-galaxy-s-full-battery-test-ready-–-up-with-the-best/

It's impossible to manage 84h on single charge Or it is possible when you charge phone to 100% then leave it on your desk and don't even touch it.

Im pretty sure I could get up to a week of battery if i didnt use the phone at all. Over night the battery drains 1% max.

rocketpaul said:
Im pretty sure I could get up to a week of battery if i didnt use the phone at all. Over night the battery drains 1% max.
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standby is quoted as 24-26 days. it's sick. screen on is what sucks the power (in addition to sync and background apps).

alovell83 said:
standby is quoted as 24-26 days. it's sick. screen on is what sucks the power (in addition to sync and background apps).
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for me, wifi uses up 65% of the power lol.

I like to ask, how long have you all had your phones? I think the longer or often you charge your phones the better the drainage power.

ive had mine for two weeks

Don't believe everything you read on the internet..
When I was working at an Apple Premium reseller, I nearly exploded with laughter every day at some of the ridiculous rumors I heard, which were obviously wrong to anyone who sold them, but plenty of major sites were reporting they were likely..
Even now, Kevin Rose (the genius who said that he had seen the iPhone and it had 2 batteries) is still saying crap (which 2 years after I left still seems wrong to me), and every site is STILL reporting it as fact.
A lot of the stuff you read on the internet is untrue. This might be a bit true because of battery calibration and such, but I honestly do question it..

andrewluecke said:
Don't believe everything you read on the internet..
When I was working at an Apple Premium reseller, I nearly exploded with laughter every day at some of the ridiculous rumors I heard, which were obviously wrong to anyone who sold them, but plenty of major sites were reporting they were likely..
Even now, Kevin Rose (the genius who said that he had seen the iPhone and it had 2 batteries) is still saying crap (which 2 years after I left still seems wrong to me), and every site is STILL reporting it as fact.
A lot of the stuff you read on the internet is untrue. This might be a bit true because of battery calibration and such, but I honestly do question it..
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Agreed. After all, if these ridiculous battery "tricks" worked at all, then the physics behind them would be built into the chargers by the manufacturers. Unless you think they are crippling the battery on purpose for no reason? Makes no sense.

New MAGLDR Coming At All?

Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.

i'm afraid that cotulla getting tired of us. from what i saw we are very impatient people

some of us chase and beg as if we own people as slaves of developers
i know not you perhaps, but there are many out there who probably are inconsiderate
there is another group, which has donated before and expect the sky and moon to shine gold dust
however, we should just wait patiently. if it bothers you, switch back to HSPL. i still remember cotulla saying with HSPL , you should be invincible
use your Windows Mobile 6.5 as everyday use.. use an Android you love and find most stable
Windows Phone 7 is just a week odd old give it some time, like most things in development world requires

I have read some things about them working on Meego or something. That will eat up some of his time and maybe the DFT team wont do any updating before MS releases the updates?

waiting for wp7 rom kichen...

nova hands said:
Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.

TheATHEiST said:
WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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Good point. WP7 hasn't been out that long.
Also, OP should consider that battery drain is just one issue. There's plenty of other problems that might take priority for DFT. It's also possible that for now they prefer to work on something else entirely, like MeeGo. As others have said, this is not a job for them. Nobody's paying them, and they're actually under no obligation to update anything at all. Donations do not equal an employment contract.
I personally curious what's causing the high battery use. My HD2 is currently not my primary phone, so right now it's spending most of its time in flight mode, only connected through wifi. I've found that the battery easily lasts several days like this. Haven't really pushed it, because charging a completely dead battery can be a bit of a problem, but my phone's now on its 3rd day since the last charge.

Yes well WP8 will come next! Wait and see...

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WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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if you read my last statement, you'll notice that I said that I'm not being impatient. Just genuinely curious. I was posing this question simply to see if anyone had heard or read anything. Save your lectures for someone else.

TheATHEiST said:
WP7 ROM was only released 10 days ago ffs. You are 100% impatient.
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meptik said:
Good point. WP7 hasn't been out that long.
Also, OP should consider that battery drain is just one issue. There's plenty of other problems that might take priority for DFT. It's also possible that for now they prefer to work on something else entirely, like MeeGo. As others have said, this is not a job for them. Nobody's paying them, and they're actually under no obligation to update anything at all. Donations do not equal an employment contract.
I personally curious what's causing the high battery use. My HD2 is currently not my primary phone, so right now it's spending most of its time in flight mode, only connected through wifi. I've found that the battery easily lasts several days like this. Haven't really pushed it, because charging a completely dead battery can be a bit of a problem, but my phone's now on its 3rd day since the last charge.
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there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.

nova hands said:
if you read my last statement, you'll notice that I said that I'm not being impatient. Just genuinely curious. I was posing this question simply to see if anyone had heard or read anything. Save your lectures for someone else.
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You are impatient if and when they decided to release an update its up to them. If you're so curious maybe go read a book

nova hands said:
there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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Yes, and also bear in mind that battery life is far superior on NAND Android than it is on SD Android, so I really don't see Magldr a problem for battery drain.
So, with that in mind, I have to ask....
What do you want a new version of Magldr for? What do you expect from it?

Actually, this seems like a good a place as any to ask: doesn't the current MAGLDR have an issue with charging the battery when its dead (near 0%?) I leave my phone plugged in as much as possible because I'm afraid of not being able to revive it...! I have other phones that I use so I can do this.
Or is that not a MAGLDR issue? I'm just guessing this would affect NANDroid as well if it is.

mazzarin said:
Actually, this seems like a good a place as any to ask: doesn't the current MAGLDR have an issue with charging the battery when its dead (near 0%?) I leave my phone plugged in as much as possible because I'm afraid of not being able to revive it...! I have other phones that I use so I can do this.
Or is that not a MAGLDR issue? I'm just guessing this would affect NANDroid as well if it is.
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People are saying so, yes, but I talked a guy through charging his phone earlier when it had run out, with Magldr on his phone and WP7 as his OS.

nova hands said:
there's speculation that the high battery drain has to do with the Live Services always being on, as well as your contacts, Facebook, and pictured possibly running constantly in the background to stay synced at all times.
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That speculation is probably reality. In fact I still get better battery life out of my HD2 than my wife's HD7 when under the same usage habits. Of course if I am playing "The Harvest" for a couple of hours, checking my email constantly, and whatever else I want to do with my phone, I am going to see significant drop in battery life.
If you want to better your battery, change when your email syncs, disable location services, switch to a manual brightness setting, turn off 3G, etc. Those are some ways to increase battery life.
Just know it isn't just the HD2, it is about every Win phone with a massive screen like ours, and live tiles constantly updating. But hey that is the beauty of this phone, big, bright and fun.
I am sure MS is aware that the batteries on the devices get drained faster than they should, and eventually it is going to be corrected.
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DennisCSUF said:
You are impatient if and when they decided to release an update its up to them. If you're so curious maybe go read a book
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Thanks, officer. I'll be sure to run any questions I have by you first so you can let me know if they are worthy of posting in the Q&A forum. Cotulla and DFT must appreciate you screening these questions.
Seriously... Its a legitimate, relevant question.
It has been stated in other threads that MAGLDR could be causing the battery charging issues, and to a lesser extent, drain issues. I'm not blowing up the boards, shouting out and demanding results from devs.

nova hands said:
Thanks, officer. I'll be sure to run any questions I have by you first so you can let me know if they are worthy of posting in the Q&A forum. Cotulla and DFT must appreciate you screening these questions.
Seriously... Its a legitimate, relevant question.
It has been stated in other threads that MAGLDR could be causing the battery charging issues, and to a lesser extent, drain issues. I'm not blowing up the boards, shouting out and demanding results from devs.
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Lulz no need to get snippy he is just stating what everyone is thinking.
Your post looks a lot like hey why is there no new updates for more then 10 days OMG 10 days. GIMME GIMME GIMME. You are not in the DFT groups you are not in the communication groups surrounding the testers or a developer. So yes you will most likely not hear a single word about the new releases of any software until they are released. Just sit back and relax and eat some popcorn and all good things eventually will come.

Get real guys
Dont you guys remember back in the WM5 and 6 days. How longer it took to get some real cracking, and development going.
It says WP7, but its a totally different OS with no bases to go off of. LEO70 is Ground 0.
I suggest that if can't wait for these extremely gracious developers to crack, modify and release Roms , THEN CRACK OPEN A BOOK AND LEARN TO DO IT YOURSELVES.
I'm just happy we got WP7 at all.

nova hands said:
Ever since WP7 was released for the HD2, it seems like any and all development for it has come to a stand still. I haven't seen or heard from any of the major devs like Cotulla or DFT.
At one point, it was said that a new MAGLDR would help fix battery drain issues, but not a word has been said about it since.
What's the story?
And I'm not trying to be impatient here... I'm honestly curious.
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Why not look at all post done by Cotulla? Here is one from yesterday:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10832817&postcount=1404

Zephnath said:
That speculation is probably reality. In fact I still get better battery life out of my HD2 than my wife's HD7 when under the same usage habits. Of course if I am playing "The Harvest" for a couple of hours, checking my email constantly, and whatever else I want to do with my phone, I am going to see significant drop in battery life.
If you want to better your battery, change when your email syncs, disable location services, switch to a manual brightness setting, turn off 3G, etc. Those are some ways to increase battery life.
Just know it isn't just the HD2, it is about every Win phone with a massive screen like ours, and live tiles constantly updating. But hey that is the beauty of this phone, big, bright and fun.
I am sure MS is aware that the batteries on the devices get drained faster than they should, and eventually it is going to be corrected.
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I'm pretty sure the sd card you use with wp7 plays a big part in battery life... when I was using a 32gb class4 kingston, wp7 didn't run that good, and the battery life was horrible... when I used 16gb class 2 Sandisk, wp7 ran flawlessly and battery life was great. Now i'm using 32gb class2 Sandisk, and have it partitionsso 21gb goes to wp7 and 8gb is used for running android, and wp7 runs great, and battery life is good, but not quite as good as it was with 16gb sandisk. Since wp7 uses sd card as internal memory, it's almost constantly using it, and since different sd cards use different amounts of power, it has to make a difference.

QUESTIONS

hi everyone
i am going this phone in 2 days but first i wiould like to know something.
First for now i have a samsung galaxy ace, is a very nivce phone but i want more, i want overclock i want differents rooms i want a new kernel so this is what is making me change it.
So have we a new rom for this phone, a finish one and stable, and kernels, what is the best for battery life?
If someone could help with this i would be very greatfull
thanks to all

vlc_marcos said:
hi everyone
i am going this phone in 2 days but first i wiould like to know something.
First for now i have a samsung galaxy ace, is a very nivce phone but i want more, i want overclock i want differents rooms i want a new kernel so this is what is making me change it.
So have we a new rom for this phone, a finish one and stable, and kernels, what is the best for battery life?
If someone could help with this i would be very greatfull
thanks to all
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Hello, and welcome the U8800 group I guess?
Well firstly you shall know that we have lots of different firmware for our phone.
To get access to the new firmwares visit.
http://wiki.modaco.com/index.php/Huawei_Firmware_U8800
If you wish to have user friendly guide, visit.
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...om/341011/ultimate-guide-to-the-huawei-u8800/
For custom roms with huge tweaks and optimizations.
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...rom-for-the-huawei-u8800-with-online-kitchen/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152240
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1068766
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1147103
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1059753
And to use these roms it's good to have recovery for the phone...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130524
Lastly, the battery life is pretty decent for a smartphone, to be correct with the matter. Every smartphone have "bad" battery life against none "smart"phones(dumbphones).
Hope this helps you !

thanks so later i will read something about this

vlc_marcos said:
thanks so later i will read something about this
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If you happy with it hit the funny looking "Thanks" button, makes me happy

i have a question, for what is the thanks button?

vlc_marcos said:
i have a question, for what is the thanks button?
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Nothing much just to say thanks by a meter way.

what rom are you using and why?

vlc_marcos said:
what rom are you using and why?
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I am using, B137 custom rom by Fibblesan from modaco.
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...rom-for-the-huawei-u8800-with-online-kitchen/
Reason.
Works flawlessly, can do normal calls,browsing the network, flash works perfectly and no shuttering lastly battery life is great, holds quite long. I would also point out that when questions are asked most help when they can @modaco.
I would say hearing opinion is a small reason to try a rom, biggest would be to experience the rom then see if its really good.

cirnocirno said:
I am using, B137 custom rom by Fibblesan from modaco.
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...rom-for-the-huawei-u8800-with-online-kitchen/
Reason.
Works flawlessly, can do normal calls,browsing the network, flash works perfectly and no shuttering lastly battery life is great, holds quite long. I would also point out that when questions are asked most help when they can @modaco.
I would say hearing opinion is a small reason to try a rom, biggest would be to experience the rom then see if its really good.
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Can I ask what you mean by "no shuttering lastly battery life is great, holds quite long" ? How many hours/days? And what sort of usage?
Thanks

katu2006 said:
Can I ask what you mean by "no shuttering lastly battery life is great, holds quite long" ? How many hours/days? And what sort of usage?
Thanks
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With 3g, wifi on and light web browsing I get around 11 hours of usage until next charge. If I do not play around for such long time it can hold for 3 days in sleep doing nothing. But if I do normal activity, which involves, music,web,3g,sms and some calls + games. I will have 20 % left from 08:00 to 23:00 and thats no problem 20% is fine enough for a night sleep, and charge in the morning !

so is like my galaxy ace, form 08:00 to 23:00, i use 70% of the battery, with the sincro on all the time, using my emal like sms, it means that i send a lot during all day, wifi turn on during 8 hours and some games and web.
i still dont have the x5 but iam waitting for it, but i thought that the battery could be longer

vlc_marcos said:
so is like my galaxy ace, form 08:00 to 23:00, i use 70% of the battery, with the sincro on all the time, using my emal like sms, it means that i send a lot during all day, wifi turn on during 8 hours and some games and web.
i still dont have the x5 but iam waitting for it, but i thought that the battery could be longer
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Why would it be longer?
First thing you need to understand, the concept of why smartphone battery sucks. They don't evolve as fast as the smartphones itself. No one seems to wish add more power into their small batteries for the smartphones, thus making it look stupid.

ok i understand and i know, but the software could improve the battery life in some way

vlc_marcos said:
ok i understand and i know, but the software could improve the battery life in some way
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Yeah, software can only make sure a certain amount won't go to waste, for example stopping useless workload.

I don't mean to upset anybody, but I think that battery consumption is 80% related to the hardware and the rest to software. I used to have Wifi, bluetooth, 2 e-mail accounts with push on non stop, on my old Iphone 3G and battery used to hold for at least 2 days. Now, because this battery is 3 years newer, wouldn't you think that there should be improvements? The fact that you get 3 days out of this phone's battery, makes me think that you're lucky...I never got more than 2 days, with all sorts of ROMs, including FLB.
The rule "what you pay is what you get" reflects the reality here, quality hardware makes the difference, simple as that. I like the U8800, but to be able to get more life out of the battery, the quality of hardware needs big improvements.
As an example, the bluetooth on the Iphone use to work in the proximity of my car, but with the U8800 it disconnects while I'm in the car... not to mention the wifi, that's flaky as...I'm not bagging the U8800, for $300 brand new, it's definitely worth buying, but if you want a bit more quality, pay the difference and get the Desire or something.

katu2006 said:
I don't mean to upset anybody, but I think that battery consumption is 80% related to the hardware and the rest to software. I used to have Wifi, bluetooth, 2 e-mail accounts with push on non stop, on my old Iphone 3G and battery used to hold for at least 2 days. Now, because this battery is 3 years newer, wouldn't you think that there should be improvements? The fact that you get 3 days out of this phone's battery, makes me think that you're lucky...I never got more than 2 days, with all sorts of ROMs, including FLB.
The rule "what you pay is what you get" reflects the reality here, quality hardware makes the difference, simple as that. I like the U8800, but to be able to get more life out of the battery, the quality of hardware needs big improvements.
As an example, the bluetooth on the Iphone use to work in the proximity of my car, but with the U8800 it disconnects while I'm in the car... not to mention the wifi, that's flaky as...I'm not bagging the U8800, for $300 brand new, it's definitely worth buying, but if you want a bit more quality, pay the difference and get the Desire or something.
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First: No one who needs 3+ day battery should buy a smartphone! If you want a super battery, go to a dumbphone with a xpto 8+ days battery. I my opinion, a smartphone with a 24h battery (wifi on, 3G on, network data on, good brightness, some gps, etc) is the perfect deal. I couldn't 100% test the battery duration of the Huawei because it's still network locked, so I've done any calls and any sms/mms, but with wifi on, auto-sync, FB sync, tweetdeck sync, google account sync, some internet browsing, lots of social network browsing and good brightness, there's now 25h uptime and 32% remaing. Is this bad? I don't think so...
Second: Go ahead, compare a 500€ iPhone to a 150€ Huawei
BTW: It's network locked but I'm using the original SIM and it's working properly. I've done any calls or sms but it's not in flight mode, it's completely operational... Except for the fact that I aint no friends using TMN ahah SO, the battery duration isn't much affected by this fact.

tiagovale2 said:
Second: Go ahead, compare a 500€ iPhone to a 150€ Huawei
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Iphone is more than 3 years old and worth less than $100...Not sure what you're talking about. Or do you still think that Iphone 3g is worth 500??
The topic here was to decide if to buy U8800 or not. If you think that a "smart-phone"s battery should last 24h, then you deserve this phone... I'm thinking, "no go". You can get a whole lot more from a Desire.
In my view, the specification says 370h in standby, with wifi on, you should still get 100h...not 24h.
BTW, can you give me an example of an $300 "dumb-phone" ? )

só tiago, I can see that you are Portuguese, I'm to. so with a lot of using you can get one day of battery, with an extreme use. because for me I will use a lot the email because I use it like sms to.my girl that is out of the country so it should e on all the times. the rest us a normal use with calls something like 2 hours of phone calls.

katu2006 said:
Iphone is more than 3 years old and worth less than $100...Not sure what you're talking about. Or do you still think that Iphone 3g is worth 500??
The topic here was to decide if to buy U8800 or not. If you think that a "smart-phone"s battery should last 24h, then you deserve this phone... I'm thinking, "no go". You can get a whole lot more from a Desire.
In my view, the specification says 370h in standby, with wifi on, you should still get 100h...not 24h.
BTW, can you give me an example of an $300 "dumb-phone" ? )
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Sorry, I thought you have the 4G... I take back what I said about 500€ iPhone.
370h only if it's sleeping all the time without data, syncs, wifi, etc... With a full smartphone use, 100h are impossible to get otherwise I think the user is not using it with full capacities... Like I said, with all-day wi-fi, sync, notifications, data transfer, good brightness, some GPS, browsing, sms, calls, etc etc (full smartphone use), get 24h+ battery is very hard... My 2 cents.
$300 dumbphone? A "dumbphone" is a phone for those who don't need a smart one, so I don't see the point of your question... If anyone is thinking on spending $300 on a phone, I doubt a dumbphone will do the needs.
(Sorry for my bad English)

What I meant was that you can't really find dumbphones any more, in less they are $20 or something... Anyway, the whole idea is that I think the battery should hold longer than 24h, with wifi and minimal usage. With this phone, you can barely achieve that...
If the initiator of this thread wants more battery life, he should reconsider.

[Q] afraid to let battery hit 0%

Ok, so im not new to android modding, hacking, rooting ,etc. Ive rooted many samsung, motorola and nexus devices. But my question is, is it safe to let the nexus 4 bateey hit 0%? Ive read that nexus 4 is hard to bring back once it hits zero.

jamescable said:
Ok, so im not new to android modding, hacking, rooting ,etc. Ive rooted many samsung, motorola and nexus devices. But my question is, is it safe to let the nexus 4 bateey hit 0%? Ive read that nexus 4 is hard to bring back once it hits zero.
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It'll turn itself off before it reaches dangerously low battery levels, so just avoid trying to turn it back on until you've plugged it in to a charger.

jamescable said:
Ok, so im not new to android modding, hacking, rooting ,etc. Ive rooted many samsung, motorola and nexus devices. But my question is, is it safe to let the nexus 4 bateey hit 0%? Ive read that nexus 4 is hard to bring back once it hits zero.
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No phone battery, android or any other should hit 0%. The battery will calibrate itself anyway after a few charges. So just plug it in at 10-15%.

Ive heard that when the phone gets really low, even charging overnight doesnt do anything?

How about you just don't let it hit zero? Do you really want to find out the hard way what might happen? You may live if you jump off a bridge, but would you try it? Come on... a little common sense goes a long way.

If it dies, send it back. Not rocket science is it.

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jamescable said:
Ive heard that when the phone gets really low, even charging overnight doesnt do anything?
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Well, if you manage to completely discharge a Li-ion battery you physically damage the battery, however phones (and laptops, and anything else with a Li-ion battery) are set to turn themselves off before the battery is completely discharged. That means the phone may report 0% battery remaining and turn off, but actually there are still a few %% left in reserve to prevent damage to the battery.

When it reaches 0% just turns down itself, plug in to a charger and in 5min you can boot him up without worries. I forgot it one night @ 6% and when i woke up it was switched off.
Its a battery, and even @ 0% doesnt mean the battery reaches 0mv...

sorry but...OMG
Nothing will happen, the phone is set to shut down at 0% but it's a false reading, in reality the battery still has a few mah in reserve... this is so you don't get sudden loss of power which may result in data loss.

Pandalero said:
How about you just don't let it hit zero? Do you really want to find out the hard way what might happen? You may live if you jump off a bridge, but would you try it? Come on... a little common sense goes a long way.
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Or you could know the simple truth: the phone will turn itself off before the battery discharges too much and thus it's perfectly safe to let it run down. Seriously you think there wouldn't be a massive antenna-gate style scandal if you could ruin your phone just by letting it run down naturally? How many people do you think every single day run out of power on their smartphones?

N10AP said:
If it dies, send it back. Not rocket science is it.
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Well, I think before RMA'ing it he should do some research and try to fix it, in such an occasion. Going straight for the RMA is a bit hasty, and makes Google not want to continue making such great devices for so cheap. I'm sure you didn't mean go straight for RMA, but I wanted to point that out for anyone else reading this.
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As many have pointed out, the battery has it's own circuits to make sure it doesn't reach 0, and to make sure it doesn't over-charge. That's on the battery itself, it has nothing to do with the Nexus 4, the OS, or anything else. You'll be fine. I would still advise in plugging it in at around 10% battery if you can, though.

Thanks for the feedback and help

Johmama said:
Well, I think before RMA'ing it he should do some research and try to fix it, in such an occasion. Going straight for the RMA is a bit hasty, and makes Google not want to continue making such great devices for so cheap. I'm sure you didn't mean go straight for RMA, but I wanted to point that out for anyone else reading this.
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As many have pointed out, the battery has it's own circuits to make sure it doesn't reach 0, and to make sure it doesn't over-charge. That's on the battery itself, it has nothing to do with the Nexus 4, the OS, or anything else. You'll be fine. I would still advise in plugging it in at around 10% battery if you can, though.
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My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.

N10AP said:
My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.
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I agree with you that you shouldn't feel bad when RMA'ing legitimately. I was merely pointing out that when you have a problem, you should do some research to figure out whether it's a common problem with a common and easy fix before you jump right to RMA. Your post was heavily implying that RMA is the first stop fix-all. You probably didn't mean it to imply that, but to some other person coming here and reading it, they would feel nudged into RMA'ing right off. We are saying the same thing, I was just advising anyone else reading this thread to do a 30 second Google search on their problem before plunging right into the RMA process.

N10AP said:
My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.
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Well put... i couldn't have said it better.

N10AP said:
My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.
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Do you also tank gas in your car after the tank is bone dry, all gasfumes are used and the car stopped?

gee2012 said:
Do you also tank gas in your car after the tank is bone dry, all gasfumes are used and the car stopped?
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Sorry can you translate? Trouble understanding u my friend.
If you run out of fuel, you can put more in it and the car isn't dead. With more fuel it will be fine. Bit of a rubbish anology there mate.
I don't know what you are getting at.
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N10AP said:
Sorry can you translate? Trouble understanding u my friend.
If you run out of fuel, you can put more in it and the car isn't dead. With more fuel it will be fine. Bit of a rubbish anology there mate.
I don't know what you are getting at.
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My post looks quite clear to me

If you were to completely drain the battery , somehow. Either charge or replace it. Phone will turn on..
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Yep. It's true that nexus 4s are a little hard to revive after a dead battery. Some revive fine, some die instantly.
I'd say don't get it to 0 though. All batteries will suffer from it.
Sorry if these points have been said already, didn't read the whole thread.