Database Users

[Q] Is Ms2 capable to upgread to Android2.3

Anyone knows about that?

Ritchie.yu said:
Anyone knows about that?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why would it not be upgradeable? Of course it is. Whether Motorola decide to provide the upgrade or not is a different question.

Szadzik said:
Why would it not be upgradeable? Of course it is. Whether Motorola decide to provide the upgrade or not is a different question.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is our sad reality... I think that we will not see our mobiles running 2.3... motorola is playing a dirty game... =(
Sent from my MB525 using XDA App

We should. On Milestone 1 is CM7 by kabaldan. It is using Froyo kernel, but it is really Gingerbread. But currently, I think its bad with our MM2 comunity ...

While the hardware is capable, I think you'll find that you wont see a release any time soon from Motorola as it may effect sales of their newly released 2.3 units.
The locked boot loader is a great marketing tool, some might even agree that its one of the primary reasons it was implemented.

luizzeross said:
That is our sad reality... I think that we will not see our mobiles running 2.3... motorola is playing a dirty game... =(
Sent from my MB525 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would not be as dramatic, the same as with MS1 we have to wait and see.

Well... maybe a Cyanogem release for all of us... Just maybe.. But that is fact: Motorola is using Android updates as a selling tool, doing few hardware or software improvements and putting the marketing focus in the Android version that comes onboard. Their Motoblur is so leggy that I had to flash another rom. That is one of the reasons why Milestone 1 is faster than Defy even on lower hardware. My next try will be a HTC or Sony Ericsson for sure.
Sent from my MB525 using XDA App

I would love to see the Gingerbread on the MS2 but all we know how is... Just take a look here - There's nothing even about the US Droid 2

Yeah, there was a thread on Motorola Forum, and the default answer for the 2.3 upgrade is this page, but it doesn't even show M2 or D2 update schedule. Very sad
Sent from my A953 using XDA App

We need Cyanogen! Motorola f...g bastards!

pretty sure i read a quote on phandroid about a week ago from one of the motorola execs boasting that they will be one of the first to roll out gingerbread across their range.
people need to remember that an update isnt just one file that works on all phones. some phones have hundreds of variations. the upgrade has to be tested on all of them, then also approved by the individual network carriers for each region. a time consuming and complicated process. theyve got a lot more red tape to go through compared to freelance custom rom makers.

You mean what? MS2 gonne get the GB? Show us where did U read that. I want to see it in the flesh

I just read that Motorola wants to change its update policy. Make updates more frequent and sooner available.
Im with you when you say its a lot of work- but if they did what you describe they can just as well inform us and tell us an ETA. After all its not as hard as reiventing the wheel...
Sent from my MotoA953 using XDA App

I'd love to believe it guys...

anothadave said:
pretty sure i read a quote on phandroid about a week ago from one of the motorola execs boasting that they will be one of the first to roll out gingerbread across their range.
people need to remember that an update isnt just one file that works on all phones. some phones have hundreds of variations. the upgrade has to be tested on all of them, then also approved by the individual network carriers for each region. a time consuming and complicated process. theyve got a lot more red tape to go through compared to freelance custom rom makers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is when the development standard needs to be more well defined and flexible. Its unbelievable that even our ooooollllld HTC Magic gained a 2.1 upgrade from HTC. What Motorola did to Quench (CLIQ) users wasn't cool..
Sent from my MB525 using XDA App

Lets make sure atrix gets ice cream sandwich we do have the power

http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them

try and get as many people as you can too do the same. It will make a difference.

I'd wait until ICS is released. As things stand today, Atrix has the latest Android version available.

Yes that is correct how ever the atrix 2 is not a good sign for us. And it is a good idea too voice our oppinion before they stop supporting our phone if we do after really wouldnt have the same effect in my oppinion

silver03wrx said:
Yes that is correct how ever the atrix 2 is not a good sign for us. And it is a good idea too voice our oppinion before they stop supporting our phone if we do after really wouldnt have the same effect in my oppinion
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah but the atrix 2 is a stepdown compared to atrix 1!

turl1 said:
I'd wait until ICS is released. As things stand today, Atrix has the latest Android version available.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's running 2.3.7? Thats news to me, also have people not seen the leaked videos? It appears to have all on screen buttons. Like honeycomb. Not sure it would work on the atrix. The screen is already small enough
Sent from my Insanity powered SGS2

The Atrix is really close to being officially supported by CM. Once ICS is released and the CM team makes their latest version (will be CM9) it will have ICS and will work with with the Atrix.

re: official CYyanogen support, do you know this officially or are you speculating?
not being rude, genuinely want to know

I have no doubt that the Atrix "could" handle ICS.
The Nexus S is rumored to get ICS, and that phone has half the muscle of the Atrix...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium

.... i don't see what the idea of potentially spamming their facebook page will do (Didn't actually go to their facebook page... just read that's where your link was going to redirect). The phone is only 7 months old.... i'm fairly certain they're WELL AWARE that we want ICS. I mean wtf... look how much flak they got from every moron in the world when the Atrix was still running Froyo.

elementaldragon said:
.... i don't see what the idea of potentially spamming their facebook page will do (Didn't actually go to their facebook page... just read that's where your link was going to redirect). The phone is only 7 months old.... i'm fairly certain they're WELL AWARE that we want ICS. I mean wtf... look how much flak they got from every moron in the world when the Atrix was still running Froyo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They got tons of flak for promising gingerbread for the Motorola Milestone (gsm version of OG Droid) and then saying nevermind. Mind you, this was merely 1 year after the milestone came out as well. Gingerbread for the Atrix was inevitable. Not giving the Atrix gingerbread would be a PR disaster. What people fail to realise about a CM port of ICS to the Atrix is that if Moto decides to EOL the Atrix after only a year with no ICS upgrade, you lose out on updated drivers, kernel, and baseband. Sure we'd have ICS, but it won't run as well as a phone that natively has ICS.

edgeicator said:
They got tons of flak for promising gingerbread for the Motorola Milestone (gsm version of OG Droid) and then saying nevermind. Mind you, this was merely 1 year after the milestone came out as well. Gingerbread for the Atrix was inevitable. Not giving the Atrix gingerbread would be a PR disaster. What people fail to realise about a CM port of ICS to the Atrix is that if Moto decides to EOL the Atrix after only a year with no ICS upgrade, you lose out on updated drivers, kernel, and baseband. Sure we'd have ICS, but it won't run as well as a phone that natively has ICS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You mean Froyo for the Milestone. They had to release it since they advertised flash on the box.
However the Froyo update basically killed the Milestone. Even Motorola put out a disclaimer that basically said the upgrade may cause performance issues.
The memory on the Milestone was perfect for eclair, but Froyo gave it a brain freeze...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium

ccrows said:
I have no doubt that the Atrix "could" handle ICS.
The Nexus S is rumored to get ICS, and that phone has half the muscle of the Atrix...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Half the muscle? The humming bird chipset is far superior than the tegra. Just not clocked as fast. And the exynos chipset blows the tegra 2 out of the water.
Sent from my Insanity powered SGS2

antiochasylum said:
Half the muscle? The humming bird chipset is far superior than the tegra. Just not clocked as fast. And the exynos chipset blows the tegra 2 out of the water.
Sent from my Insanity powered SGS2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Still the Atrix has the extra core which is supposed to be optimized in ICS, plus double the ram over the Nexus S...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium

I was not implying spamm there pages i meant voice our oppinion let moto know theres alot of people who like this device and we want them to continue its support. And if they do that would really be. In there favor id most likely choise moto for my next device

ccrows said:
You mean Froyo for the Milestone. They had to release it since they advertised flash on the box.
However the Froyo update basically killed the Milestone. Even Motorola put out a disclaimer that basically said the upgrade may cause performance issues.
The memory on the Milestone was perfect for eclair, but Froyo gave it a brain freeze...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not so much
Froyo runs great on my Milestone, I heard GB makes it very sluggish

Wond3r said:
Not so much
Froyo runs great on my Milestone, I heard GB makes it very sluggish
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Froyo was the reason why I sold my Milestone. Eclair was smoothly, and for whatever reason I could never flash back to Eclair. Every time I tried going back, I got forced closed errors everywhere.
If the Milestone had 512mb of ram, I probably would still be using it since I really liked the build quality of that phone...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium

I guess Milestones handled the OS differently than other

Guys. The atrix is getting ICS.
Chill

god if ics is any better than the ics launcher in the market ill bee in heaven
cause this launcher is sweet
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium

How does the SGII get official ics before NS4G

I am so fired up. Nexus is suppose to get timely updates but i guess not. Why do I stay with Google.
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/03...today-in-korea-poland-sweden-and-hungary.html
Sent from my GT-P7310 using Tapatalk

How? Because Samsung is building it off 4.0.3 source. Supposedly Google isn't going to push out any more OTAs to Nexus devices until they fix the issues.

Google may be having trouble with their CDMA versions of the Nexus line. I understand your frustration though.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA

donnieace said:
Google may be having trouble with their CDMA versions of the Nexus line. I understand your frustration though.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They haven't pushed a new update for quite a while on any Nexus devices. There has never been an ICS version on the AT&T GSM version so I don't think there is just a CDMA issue at this point but an overall issue fixing ICS problems.

I'm this close to just upgrading
- Google

It's not only cdma version. Google stopped pushing updates for all Nexus lines until they fix that battery problem. I think they are almost finished
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA

Oh well...this sucks.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA

This is a huge fail for them. Remember the og nexus was receiving updates regularly. May try a windows phone hell maybe even a apple. How can they put pressure on the OEM when they can even push an update to cdma or GSM. My trust is continously abused by google and oems.
Sent from my GT-P7310 using Tapatalk

bozzykid said:
They haven't pushed a new update for quite a while on any Nexus devices. There has never been an ICS version on the AT&T GSM version so I don't think there is just a CDMA issue at this point but an overall issue fixing ICS problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Forgot to add, "along with the ICS bugs. "
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA

qhinton said:
This is a huge fail for them. Remember the og nexus was receiving updates regularly. May try a windows phone hell maybe even a apple. How can they put pressure on the OEM when they can even push an update to cdma or GSM. My trust is continously abused by google and oems.
Sent from my GT-P7310 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know, think of all the sites and all the articles written about how OEM's can't get their updates out fast enough. Now when Google can not update it's only phones (a lot fewer than any OEM) with it's own OS (something they obviously had the source of for a lot longer than any OEM as they were the ones who built it) not a single article on any gadget blog or Android blog. It strikes me as odd after all the crying about the OEM's on all of theses sites, not a one can muster up a single paragraph about Google and their huge failing at the very same thing.

This is so disappointing. To me it means there's no Android I can safely buy and assume I will receive timely updates. And since I want timely updates it may mean having to look at other platforms. For now I guess it means that the CM team (or other custom ROM) is my upgrade path from now on. But custom roms still get better when official code is released.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA

thezero4 said:
This is so disappointing. To me it means there's no Android I can safely buy and assume I will receive timely updates. And since I want timely updates it may mean having to look at other platforms. For now I guess it means that the CM team (or other custom ROM) is my upgrade path from now on. But custom roms still get better when official code is released.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And Cyanogen is good enough for me.
Here is a good rant on phone subsidies that seems to touch on this topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vfkjOGPuls

Wouldn't it be a barrel of laughs if CM team actually released a stable CM9 before Google released (or re-released) ICS?

bozzykid said:
How? Because Samsung is building it off 4.0.3 source. Supposedly Google isn't going to push out any more OTAs to Nexus devices until they fix the issues.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
issues???? where are these issues people keep talking about??? I've never had any!!! I've used almost every aosp available, as well as the 4.0.4 leak, and my ns4g has never had a single issue!!! **** them and their sorry ass excuses!! They need to hurry the hell up and update us. This is just becoming a giant joke....how can google even show their faces at MWC next to MS who pushed their update to every single device in under two weeks??
Google is starting to lose some serious credibility here, and I'm very close to jumping ship with my next device. I've always been a HUGE fan of google, but with this being my first experience with any nexus updates, you can't exactly expect me to stay loyal after all of this!!

Ok lets clear something up.
MS and Apple can push updates because SHOCKER...... they use cords!
Its not OTA like Google. Right now MS requires a cord and a computer to receive updates.
Dont know what's up with Google. I'm putting my money on Carriers slowing stuff down.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

vetvito said:
Ok lets clear something up.
MS and Apple can push updates because SHOCKER...... they use cords!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
iOS 5 does its updates OTA. Again, how they are pushed has nothing to do with it. Deals with carriers does have an effect. But the issue with ICS on Nexus devices is not carrier hold up at this point.

According to twitter (last week JBQ responded some tweets), 4.0.4 still has some issues (telephony and kernel issues). Once that's fixed i bet we get our updates. All the OEM ICS OTA right now are on 4.0.3, which does have issues (at least on Nexus S).

HTC One and Vanilla Android (5.0 (Keylime Pie))?

I had sworn off non-Google phones after a couple of Samsung experiences, but the One is just so well-designed, I can't resist it. It's really the first Android phone which can compete with the iPhone in hardware design.
Now my question is, what happens when Google rolls out Android 5.0? Would vanilla Android be available quickly for the unlocked 32Gb and the 64 Developer edition? Is there any reason why it may not happen, or it may be difficult to do? Would the non-standard button layout throw a wrench in the OS upgrade possibilities?

I dont think so
If you buy the developer edition you can install plane lemon pie on it as it has the bootloader unlocked or any kind of ROM you want. On the Unlucked one you will need to wait until HTC releases the update as it also comes with thei Sense 5.0 UI.:laugh:

HTC have been saying they will be working a lot harder to get the latest updates out to their phones. And you can see as well in the One series that they have delivered to an extent.
Plus as the HTC One is their flagship device for this year, they will be putting all of their attention on it

As I would agree to this, without source code and binaries for the device I.E> sensors, bt, wifi, processor from HTC the dev edition wont just = instant updates to latest and greatest. Its just nice to see them least offering it up.

They don't even have 4.2 on the One, so I am assuming it would take them a long time to get KLP on the One.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD

sidthegreatest said:
They don't even have 4.2 on the One, so I am assuming it would take them a long time to get KLP on the One.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There's a reason why they did not got for 4.2. Here's a quick snip from Anandtechs amazing review
HTC says it went with 4.1 for both stability and time to market reasons, which I think is reasonable considering some of the 4.2.x issues people have complained about, though 4.2.2 fixes most of it. At this point it would be awesome to have 4.2, but for a smartphone the only features I miss are the notification shade settings and perhaps photosphere.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Rage1ofakind said:
There's a reason why they did not got for 4.2. Here's a quick snip from Anandtechs amazing review
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not to mention Lock screen widgets.
But my point is not whether they CAN out 4.2 on their device, but the fact that they did not.
Samsung has 4.2 on the S4, while the SIII also has a leaked ROM. So, I would say that KLP would come to the One in Q4 of this year at the earliest.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD

doakills said:
As I would agree to this, without source code and binaries for the device I.E> sensors, bt, wifi, processor from HTC the dev edition wont just = instant updates to latest and greatest. Its just nice to see them least offering it up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What is HTC's history in terms of offering source code and binaries for their hardware? (I haven't had an HTC since the WM days
I pre-ordered the 32GB unlocked, but now I am wondering if I jumped the gun and I should sit tight and wait for whatever the Next Nexus phone is? The only problem is, Google does not know how to drive good hardware design, and I really doubt the next Nexus will be as well designed or built.
For what it's worth, I love 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus, although it is getting to be a bit laggy with some apps. Nevertheless, I feel it is a bit more bug-free overall than 4.1.
If it doesn't look like HTC will release enough code to allow the One to be made vanilla Android and freely updated to the latest OS, i may actually cancel.

When the devs get the bootloaders unlocked flashing things will be no problem. It may take a while but it'll happen eventually.
Sent from my SGH-i927 using xda premium

Does anyone have any estimates as to when or if we will see any cm10 or paranoid round here?
Also, as ive come over from a samsung, not a 100% sure how sense development has been on sense roms as they failed to port it to anything else, have they managed to mix it with aosp or anything else?
cheers

spitfire2425 said:
When the devs get the bootloaders unlocked flashing things will be no problem. It may take a while but it'll happen eventually.
Sent from my SGH-i927 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think the bootloader unlock is already possible using htcdev.

snowblind2142 said:
Does anyone have any estimates as to when or if we will see any cm10 or paranoid round here?
Also, as ive come over from a samsung, not a 100% sure how sense development has been on sense roms as they failed to port it to anything else, have they managed to mix it with aosp or anything else?
cheers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Atm im running aokp on my htc one-x
I can run pa or cm too if i wanted to and this device only has the htcdev unlock available.
Also sense from other devices can be ported but its a pita so dont expect to much on that side.
However there are also roms who strip htc sense entirly making it a treu aosp experience and diff ui's can be flashed( xperia and samsung ui have been ported to hox)
Obviously this doesnt mean its gonna happen at the one but i sure hope so
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

romitkin said:
I think the bootloader unlock is already possible using htcdev.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But bootloader unlock (which AFAIK is available for the 32gb unlocked version as well) does not mean that the rest of the hardware will be opened up to developers, right?
Ugh, I was hoping for a much more optimistic scenario.... I love the efforts the developers here pour into maintaing these sets when the hardware is not exposed and the manufacturer drags its feet on updates, but after having to deal with the constant ROM tinkering and numerous resulting issues with my old Samsing sets, I am not excited about the prospect of going through it again.
Also, I am wondering if the non-standard soft buttons will affect easy porting of 5.0 to the One?

Having aosp etc on the one would be a bit pointless. I like it. The ones standout features are design sound and camera.
Youd have two out of three running aosp etc. Every other HTC device running has a scrappy camera since they went to 8mp. It remains to be seen what the ones camera would be. If it's deal though you lose a lot. Okay 4.2 etc is sweet on the nexus range but there hardware was built around it
Fairplay is try it on the one..debateable whether it'd be worth it though
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app

MacGuy2006 said:
What is HTC's history in terms of offering source code and binaries for their hardware? (I haven't had an HTC since the WM days
I pre-ordered the 32GB unlocked, but now I am wondering if I jumped the gun and I should sit tight and wait for whatever the Next Nexus phone is? The only problem is, Google does not know how to drive good hardware design, and I really doubt the next Nexus will be as well designed or built.
For what it's worth, I love 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus, although it is getting to be a bit laggy with some apps. Nevertheless, I feel it is a bit more bug-free overall than 4.1.
If it doesn't look like HTC will release enough code to allow the One to be made vanilla Android and freely updated to the latest OS, i may actually cancel.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
HTC sucks at updating the new source code. They wait months after Google has already released it.
EVO LTE

Enraged21 said:
HTC sucks at updating the new source code. They wait months after Google has already released it.
EVO LTE
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app

romitkin said:
I think the bootloader unlock is already possible using htcdev.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I meant s-off. Sorry..
Sent from my SGH-I927 using xda premium

ste1164 said:
They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would hope so. But the fact that they are releasing their flagship with months old OS version is a little worrying.
I am not so broken up about 4.2, but 5 sounds like it will be a rather major update and if this thing doesn't get updated promptly, it will be a very disappointing acquisition for me.

arknailed7754 said:
Having aosp etc on the one would be a bit pointless. I like it. The ones standout features are design sound and camera.
Youd have two out of three running aosp etc. Every other HTC device running has a scrappy camera since they went to 8mp. It remains to be seen what the ones camera would be. If it's deal though you lose a lot. Okay 4.2 etc is sweet on the nexus range but there hardware was built around it
Fairplay is try it on the one..debateable whether it'd be worth it though
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly. I can't believe there's already complaints about the time it will take HTC to update the phone to KLP. One of the main reasons people are flocking to this phone is the awesome job HTC did on the software features. If they slapped it together you could have the latest, but not the same experience. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

ste1164 said:
They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How do you know this? I would love for this to be true but, given my experience with the One X, I find it hard to believe.

Android l announced by nvidia

Yo guys!! Anyone happy about Nvidia promising Android l to our tablet? Features expected?
Sent from my TegraNote-P1640 using XDA Free mobile app

srcharged said:
Yo guys!! Anyone happy about Nvidia promising Android l to our tablet? Features expected?
Sent from my TegraNote-P1640 using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
When did they promise this. We are still waiting on the promised 4.4.3 and 4.4.4.

hacktrix2006 said:
When did they promise this. We are still waiting on the promised 4.4.3 and 4.4.4.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
According to this site, Nvidia has confirmed that Android L will be made available: http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35101-tegra-note-7-is-getting-android-l
I'm not sure why Nvidia wouldn't make a press release, though.

We were not updated to 4.4.3 nor 4.4.4 due to the fact that these are just small firmware updates intended to clean bugs, They might have jumped to L directly. That would be a better option to them and to us. this is what i feel

There's only one site that says this, with no supporting evidence. I do hope they'll push out L but why would they just tell one site no one has heard of? Doesn't seem like nvidias usual style.
Sent from my Full Android on C6603 using Tapatalk

fards said:
There's only one site that says this, with no supporting evidence. I do hope they'll push out L but why would they just tell one site no one has heard of? Doesn't seem like nvidias usual style.
Sent from my Full Android on C6603 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Fudzilla has been around for a while, been going there for years. They generally are spot on, and do seem to have connections with Nvidia atleast so i feel that has some credibility. Considering Nvidia's swiftness with previous updates i suspect the Note will receive android L.

Same here! I have good remarks on gsmarena too. and if they are ready to believe, then I don't feel bad in trusting them as well!!
Sent from my TegraNote-P1640 using XDA Free mobile app

The GSm arena article only took info from the fudzilla article.
Sent from my Full Android on C6603 using Tapatalk

What I'm saying is that, if they are ready to believe in them then I too don't have any problem in trusting them! Get my point?
Sent from my TegraNote-P1640 using XDA Free mobile app

The only two features I want that have been inexplicably absent since day one are Console Mode and 1080p output for gaming. I want to use my TN7 as an Android game console primarily, but missing these features has made it less enjoyable than I'd hoped when I bought this... I was expecting this thing to essentially be a Shield but in tablet form, but in reality it's just a Tegra 4-powered tablet with no game-specific features besides gamepad mapping (which is admittedly an awesome feature). I'd hate to think that Nvidia was holding back features from the TN7 so as to not compete with their own Shield device.

The one worrying thing about android L for me is "Active Refresh rate changing" this is something that can be terrible for gaming. When playing on power save mode or otherwise, the refresh rate should never be messed around with as it breaks many games, emulators etc. I wish they had not implemented this feature. Also, I do hope they dont make sd card restrictions even tighter.