I had sworn off non-Google phones after a couple of Samsung experiences, but the One is just so well-designed, I can't resist it. It's really the first Android phone which can compete with the iPhone in hardware design.
Now my question is, what happens when Google rolls out Android 5.0? Would vanilla Android be available quickly for the unlocked 32Gb and the 64 Developer edition? Is there any reason why it may not happen, or it may be difficult to do? Would the non-standard button layout throw a wrench in the OS upgrade possibilities?
I dont think so
If you buy the developer edition you can install plane lemon pie on it as it has the bootloader unlocked or any kind of ROM you want. On the Unlucked one you will need to wait until HTC releases the update as it also comes with thei Sense 5.0 UI.:laugh:
HTC have been saying they will be working a lot harder to get the latest updates out to their phones. And you can see as well in the One series that they have delivered to an extent.
Plus as the HTC One is their flagship device for this year, they will be putting all of their attention on it
As I would agree to this, without source code and binaries for the device I.E> sensors, bt, wifi, processor from HTC the dev edition wont just = instant updates to latest and greatest. Its just nice to see them least offering it up.
They don't even have 4.2 on the One, so I am assuming it would take them a long time to get KLP on the One.
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They don't even have 4.2 on the One, so I am assuming it would take them a long time to get KLP on the One.
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There's a reason why they did not got for 4.2. Here's a quick snip from Anandtechs amazing review
HTC says it went with 4.1 for both stability and time to market reasons, which I think is reasonable considering some of the 4.2.x issues people have complained about, though 4.2.2 fixes most of it. At this point it would be awesome to have 4.2, but for a smartphone the only features I miss are the notification shade settings and perhaps photosphere.
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There's a reason why they did not got for 4.2. Here's a quick snip from Anandtechs amazing review
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Not to mention Lock screen widgets.
But my point is not whether they CAN out 4.2 on their device, but the fact that they did not.
Samsung has 4.2 on the S4, while the SIII also has a leaked ROM. So, I would say that KLP would come to the One in Q4 of this year at the earliest.
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As I would agree to this, without source code and binaries for the device I.E> sensors, bt, wifi, processor from HTC the dev edition wont just = instant updates to latest and greatest. Its just nice to see them least offering it up.
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What is HTC's history in terms of offering source code and binaries for their hardware? (I haven't had an HTC since the WM days
I pre-ordered the 32GB unlocked, but now I am wondering if I jumped the gun and I should sit tight and wait for whatever the Next Nexus phone is? The only problem is, Google does not know how to drive good hardware design, and I really doubt the next Nexus will be as well designed or built.
For what it's worth, I love 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus, although it is getting to be a bit laggy with some apps. Nevertheless, I feel it is a bit more bug-free overall than 4.1.
If it doesn't look like HTC will release enough code to allow the One to be made vanilla Android and freely updated to the latest OS, i may actually cancel.
When the devs get the bootloaders unlocked flashing things will be no problem. It may take a while but it'll happen eventually.
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Does anyone have any estimates as to when or if we will see any cm10 or paranoid round here?
Also, as ive come over from a samsung, not a 100% sure how sense development has been on sense roms as they failed to port it to anything else, have they managed to mix it with aosp or anything else?
cheers
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When the devs get the bootloaders unlocked flashing things will be no problem. It may take a while but it'll happen eventually.
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I think the bootloader unlock is already possible using htcdev.
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Does anyone have any estimates as to when or if we will see any cm10 or paranoid round here?
Also, as ive come over from a samsung, not a 100% sure how sense development has been on sense roms as they failed to port it to anything else, have they managed to mix it with aosp or anything else?
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Atm im running aokp on my htc one-x
I can run pa or cm too if i wanted to and this device only has the htcdev unlock available.
Also sense from other devices can be ported but its a pita so dont expect to much on that side.
However there are also roms who strip htc sense entirly making it a treu aosp experience and diff ui's can be flashed( xperia and samsung ui have been ported to hox)
Obviously this doesnt mean its gonna happen at the one but i sure hope so
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But bootloader unlock (which AFAIK is available for the 32gb unlocked version as well) does not mean that the rest of the hardware will be opened up to developers, right?
Ugh, I was hoping for a much more optimistic scenario.... I love the efforts the developers here pour into maintaing these sets when the hardware is not exposed and the manufacturer drags its feet on updates, but after having to deal with the constant ROM tinkering and numerous resulting issues with my old Samsing sets, I am not excited about the prospect of going through it again.
Also, I am wondering if the non-standard soft buttons will affect easy porting of 5.0 to the One?
Having aosp etc on the one would be a bit pointless. I like it. The ones standout features are design sound and camera.
Youd have two out of three running aosp etc. Every other HTC device running has a scrappy camera since they went to 8mp. It remains to be seen what the ones camera would be. If it's deal though you lose a lot. Okay 4.2 etc is sweet on the nexus range but there hardware was built around it
Fairplay is try it on the one..debateable whether it'd be worth it though
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MacGuy2006 said:
What is HTC's history in terms of offering source code and binaries for their hardware? (I haven't had an HTC since the WM days
I pre-ordered the 32GB unlocked, but now I am wondering if I jumped the gun and I should sit tight and wait for whatever the Next Nexus phone is? The only problem is, Google does not know how to drive good hardware design, and I really doubt the next Nexus will be as well designed or built.
For what it's worth, I love 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus, although it is getting to be a bit laggy with some apps. Nevertheless, I feel it is a bit more bug-free overall than 4.1.
If it doesn't look like HTC will release enough code to allow the One to be made vanilla Android and freely updated to the latest OS, i may actually cancel.
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HTC sucks at updating the new source code. They wait months after Google has already released it.
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HTC sucks at updating the new source code. They wait months after Google has already released it.
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They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
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I meant s-off. Sorry..
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They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
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I would hope so. But the fact that they are releasing their flagship with months old OS version is a little worrying.
I am not so broken up about 4.2, but 5 sounds like it will be a rather major update and if this thing doesn't get updated promptly, it will be a very disappointing acquisition for me.
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Having aosp etc on the one would be a bit pointless. I like it. The ones standout features are design sound and camera.
Youd have two out of three running aosp etc. Every other HTC device running has a scrappy camera since they went to 8mp. It remains to be seen what the ones camera would be. If it's deal though you lose a lot. Okay 4.2 etc is sweet on the nexus range but there hardware was built around it
Fairplay is try it on the one..debateable whether it'd be worth it though
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Exactly. I can't believe there's already complaints about the time it will take HTC to update the phone to KLP. One of the main reasons people are flocking to this phone is the awesome job HTC did on the software features. If they slapped it together you could have the latest, but not the same experience. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
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How do you know this? I would love for this to be true but, given my experience with the One X, I find it hard to believe.
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When???
Have you already talked about it with HTC?
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When???
Have you already talked about it with HTC?
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Ok you need to breathe buddy, it's just been announced it will most probably take a month before it will be available on HTC as they need to incorporate Sense to it.
well if you recall the desire made the jump from 2.1 to 2.2 pretty soon after the 2.2 announcement, considering the DHD is the new flagship phone id imagine a very similar situation if not there is always custom roms
Wonder if cyanogen will publish it before htc that will be sweet
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The DHD will most likely be the first HTC handset to receive the update. However, how long this takes is anyone's guess. Then your carrier will modify the update, unless of course you got a stock unbranded DHD.
My money is on Cyanogen, real money. If CM releases 2.3 before HTC I'll donate again.
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If CM releases 2.3 before HTC I'll donate again.
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+1 me too
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The DHD will most likely be the first HTC handset to receive the update. However, how long this takes is anyone's guess. Then your carrier will modify the update, unless of course you got a stock unbranded DHD.
My money is on Cyanogen, real money. If CM releases 2.3 before HTC I'll donate again.
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me 2 well .. not again ... but just donate
It's only been released for developers apparently.
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It's only been released for developers apparently.
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from what i understand, the actual rom hasnt been released, just the sdk for app developers - but i might be wrong
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from what i understand, the actual rom hasnt been released, just the sdk for app developers - but i might be wrong
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dont you compile the roms from the sdk ?, pretty sure all the android files are available in the sdk you just need to create a rom from them. (i think)
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dont you compile the roms from the sdk ?, pretty sure all the android files are available in the sdk you just need to create a rom from them. (i think)
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Nope, the roms can't be made until the source code is released or another device gets it to be ported over.
Roms can be made from the sdk but don't turn out very well to say the least.
I expect an announcement soon from HTC, i doubt they will let their flagship higher specs phone fall short against their direct competitor, classic desire was the first device to get froyo after the nexus
I'm betting on it being out around Christmas time,
Probably in 2 weeks we'll start to get them trickling out...
I hope that dhd will get it as soon as possible, but wouldn't be surprised if Samsung s get's it first considering cooperation of Google with them on new G phone.
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The DHD will most likely be the first HTC handset to receive the update. However, how long this takes is anyone's guess. Then your carrier will modify the update, unless of course you got a stock unbranded DHD.
My money is on Cyanogen, real money. If CM releases 2.3 before HTC I'll donate again.
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Me too. I haven't donated yet if this happens ill be sending beer money to the boys for sure
I only started using CM last-night and i am already in-love
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I hope that dhd will get it as soon as possible, but wouldn't be surprised if Samsung s get's it first considering cooperation of Google with them on new G phone.
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Maybe... But then again, I doubt google let samsung anywhere near the software for the nexus s. At least, I sure wouldn't after the galaxy's "interesting" software decisions.
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I expect an announcement soon from HTC, i doubt they will let their flagship higher specs phone fall short against their direct competitor, classic desire was the first device to get froyo after the nexus
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Unfortunately the N1 was pretty much the same as the Desire. And was built by HTC. Now the situation is a little bit different having Google cooperating with the plastic-toy manufacturer . Then again I doubt Galaxy S will get 2.3 sooner than the DHD, because they got to 2.2 about a month ago.
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Unfortunately the N1 was pretty much the same as the Desire. And was built by HTC. Now the situation is a little bit different having Google cooperating with the plastic-toy manufacturer . Then again I doubt Galaxy S will get 2.3 sooner than the DHD, because they got to 2.2 about a month ago.
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Plus in all fairness we all kno that Samsung products are for females... lol DHd's are a man thing
Lol meh
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I'm not that fussed on gingerbread tbh. I have had sense since the hero but have tried many vanilla roms. Now you can change "skins" on the dhd and with not a huge increase in an already blistering device for me its not that important?
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anything new about Android 2.3 on the Desire HD?
So according to the samsung web page it states that jelly bean is coming soon the the gs3. Did anyone else notice this? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...71336618.59771.253235488046600&type=1&theater
btw let me note im not sure how legit the page is but if it is in fact true then this is some great and exciting news =)
Samsung has been showing it's intent to make their updates faster...what will the unified carrier hardware and adding in 2 gigs of RAM for futureproofing.
I hope so...someone has said Q3 2012...we'll see
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I hope so...someone has said Q3 2012...we'll see
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I heard Q4 2012
source:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28093441
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I heard q3 also, just scuttlebutt though. Can't wait for JB, its going to be phenomenal on the sgs3.
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Thought about selling my gs3 to get the gnex. Then I saw google also released a PDK for JB. I figured it would shorten the wait for Sammy to give us JB.
And I thought, if jellybean is that nice on the gnex, it's gonna be bananas on this phone.
Besides, I'm loving everything about this phone and I think I'll get a nexus 7 for my jellybean fix.
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If the next Nexus phone is coming from Motorola Mobility Samsung will be sure to get JB into the GS3 by then to attract future customers.
I saw Q3 after JB announcement watching IO. Who knows when... but I don't think Samsung is waiting around to release it on their flagship phone.
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/06/28/android-4-1-or-a-value-pack/
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If the next Nexus phone is coming from Motorola Mobility Samsung will be sure to get JB into the GS3 by then to attract future customers.
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I was floored when I heard Moto was releasing the next Nexus phone. I'll never buy another Moto phone
Even if it is Q3, that starts tomorrow and only lasts through September. I think I can suffer through 3 or so months of ICS ;-) And besides... if they're already working on JB I think we'll probably have leaked builds within a week of the device's actual release. Exciting times ahead...
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I was floored when I heard Moto was releasing the next Nexus phone. I'll never buy another Moto phone
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That will stir up the hopeful's that still think MOTO will unlock their bootloader's lol. I agree though. This will be my last MOTO. Sad, as I love the physical build quality. Takes a serious beating and keeps on ticking.
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Oh good, because I was thinking that I really needed something to slow my sammy down. It's just too smooth and fast right now.
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That will stir up the hopeful's that still think MOTO will unlock their bootloader's lol. I agree though. This will be my last MOTO. Sad, as I love the physical build quality. Takes a serious beating and keeps on ticking.
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I was once one of them, had to learn the hard way.
I'm not sure i care about when samsung pushes the JB update to us
i just want pure google JB, damnit this phone will be perfect with pure jb
Well coming soon... hopefully that means SOON. Except if their is really no Flash support or no one can get it to work then forget it. I use Full sites not the craptastic mobile ones.
I really hope Samsung doesn't remove the Google Now search feature from JB (in order to keep it from "competing" with S Voice). One of the few things that bugs me about the TouchWiz implementation is how they remove the stock Android keyboard, in favor of the Samsung Keypad... which is a little ominous. Of course, you can just install the "stock" kb from the Market (if those "ports" are really as good as the stock versions; I'm using the "ICS kb" now on my Vibrant, and it seems pretty good, but haven't spent enough time with the stock kb to judge if it's the same)... I doubt Google Now will be made available the same way!
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I really hope Samsung doesn't remove the Google Now search feature from JB (in order to keep it from "competing" with S Voice). One of the few things that bugs me about the TouchWiz implementation is how they remove the stock Android keyboard, in favor of the Samsung Keypad... which is a little ominous. Of course, you can just install the "stock" kb from the Market (if those "ports" are really as good as the stock versions; I'm using the "ICS kb" now on my Vibrant, and it seems pretty good, but haven't spent enough time with the stock kb to judge if it's the same)... I doubt Google Now will be made available the same way!
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Yeah I was thinking about that too, but Google search is in the phone already so I doubt they removed it, what I really want is to jelly bean coded right with the new samsung, I can't believe I'm actually liking touchwiz tho, if they would let us customize the notifications toggle would be amazing
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yeah, that site does not look legit.
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Docavelli said:
Thought about selling my gs3 to get the gnex. Then I saw google also released a PDK for JB. I figured it would shorten the wait for Sammy to give us JB.
And I thought, if jellybean is that nice on the gnex, it's gonna be bananas on this phone.
Besides, I'm loving everything about this phone and I think I'll get a nexus 7 for my jellybean fix.
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Already pre-ordered my Nexus 7. Can't wait for it to be shipped.
EDIT: Well its here. So what do you all think. It comes with at&t bands so we should have access to a lot of important aosp info.
OLD: So u know nothing is confirmed as of yet, and I know that it seems the thing is spring t-mo bands, but wouldn't this device being available be a major win for us as well? I'm figuring most of the docentation would be identical to ours, so we'd have full access to the phones resources, and all of us could just merge proprietary info from our respective carriers into ROMs and the like. Am I off on this or would this be great news, even for those of us without the major funds to buy the "google" version.
Just trying to learn and going for a discussion . Any insight would be associated.
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No one wants to chime in on this?
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Not a dev so I can't say for sure but I would think that there would be some benefit for AOSP based ROMs, at least for models that share the same chipset as the "Google Edition" though if there is no new source code released it would mean you'd need to rip binaries from the stock image of the new device to benefit and many devs don't want to go there.
If it turns out that Google (not Samsung) is doing the development work for the device, that it's more like a non-gimped nexus, it could be HUGE but that's not the case for most unskinned ROMs.
If this does happen...I think it would be more like the international version...
Although, either way this would hopefully give us code/drivers for new sensors such as the ir and others...allowing us to possibly bring support for those sensors to aosp...maybe, I'm no dev my self but that what I believe
Either way....I'm very skeptical about this piece of news and think its gonna turn out false...why would Samsung release a Google edition? And if they wanted to release an aosp version why would they do so through Google event? Knowing Samsung they would have their own event
IDK the whole thing seemed to pop up out of no where...and the pieces aren't really fitting in
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If this does happen...I think it would be more like the international version...
Although, either way this would hopefully give us code/drivers for new sensors such as the ir and others...allowing us to possibly bring support for those sensors to aosp...maybe, I'm no dev my self but that what I believe
Either way....I'm very skeptical about this piece of news and think its gonna turn out false...why would Samsung release a Google edition? And if they wanted to release an aosp version why would they do so through Google event? Knowing Samsung they would have their own event
IDK the whole thing seemed to pop up out of no where...and the pieces aren't really fitting in
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Well, its here!! I really hope our bootloader unlock gives us access to some of the great features the google edition will provide!! Im mostly curious about the IR Blaster. Id love to be able to keep my remote control without all the samsung bloat.
Anyone else excited about this?
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Well, its here!! I really hope our bootloader unlock gives us access to some of the great features the google edition will provide!! Im mostly curious about the IR Blaster. Id love to be able to keep my remote control without all the samsung bloat.
Anyone else excited about this?
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Yes I am, assuming that the Google model uses Snapdragon chipset and not the Exynos it means that we could flash the Google Edition ROM on our phones and that potentially there will be a lot better support for the hardware for AOSP based custom ROMs.
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Yes I am, assuming that the Google model uses Snapdragon chipset and not the Exynos it means that we could flash the Google Edition ROM on our phones and that potentially there will be a lot better support for the hardware for AOSP based custom ROMs.
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Man this would be really great news. Im going to stick to your school of thought until told otherwise
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Noob alert : what does this mean? A phone without all the bloat ? Different hardware features?
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Noob alert : what does this mean? A phone without all the bloat ? Different hardware features?
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Bloatware is OEM and Carrier installed apps that takes up precious memory and you can't delete.. OEM= Samsung
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Bloatware is OEM and Carrier installed apps that takes up precious memory and you can't delete.. OEM= Samsung
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I don't think this phone will come with Bloatware. If that were true, my Nexus 10 would've came pre installed with a bunch of Samsung software.
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I understand the development communities interest in this phone. I love flashing and enjoying, with my beer contributions, the dev's hard work.
I was excited and planned on waiting for more news on this phone before deciding which phone I am soon going to buy.
But, after I/O today and being told 16gb only, I think Google/Samsung failed again. For me, a 16gb Flagship phone is unacceptable. I have a One S and find it hard not to run out of memory and I don't game.
Sad news today for some of us. Hopefully the memory size will change before June 26th. But, I doubt it.
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I don't think this phone will come with Bloatware. If that were true, my Nexus 10 would've came pre installed with a bunch of Samsung software.
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Well it definitely wont have bloat, as a "pure nexus experience" has been confirmed. I think the previous poster say providing clarification and/or enlightening the self-proclaimed "noob" who asked about it earlier.
Man I'm not even concerned about the bootloader u lock anymore.. I'd rather wait til the Google edition drops anyway, we're talking near-immediate and near-flawless cm/aokp/pa support.
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I wonder how much of that 16gb will be usable without the bloat though. The stock TW ROM is immense. AOSP is going to be much lighter, giving you more of your 16 gigs.
This is great news for anybody with an S4. The devs are going to have a field day with an AOSP ROM designed for this phone, and we will all profit.
When Dans glorious unlock is released, and the Google edition is released, it will completely change this device for the better for anyone willing to take the romming plunge.
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My rooted One S with 16gb internal has 9.93 available. That's coming with Sense as opposed to TW.
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There's been a lot of speculation about just how Nexus-like the Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play edition phones will be, particularly from a technical / software update standpoint. Now, we have some relatively concrete information that sheds light on these issues.
First and foremost, Google will not directly handle software updates for Google Play edition devices. This has been reported as true, false, and generally disputed quite a lot in the lead-up to the launch. We know for a fact now (thanks to Anandtech) that while Google will supply the necessary Android builds to OEMs, the OEMs will be responsible for maintenance of kernels and all the various drivers and firmware pieces necessary for their specific device. The result is that Google gives the OEMs the Android build, and it's then up to the OEMs to make that build work on their Google Play edition device and perform the act of actually updating the phone. Google has issued an official statement that works very hard to not expressly deny that they won't be handling the updates (Droid-life):
What's this mean for you? It means that at the end of the day, the onus to update these phones will still be on Samsung and HTC. They will be able to circumvent the carrier certification runaround, and will in theory have much less work to do in maintaining these devices, but the responsibility still falls to them, not Google. This could mean any number of things. It could mean these phones will get updates within days of their Nexus counterparts. But more likely weeks, and possibly even months depending how much attention these phones are actually given by HTC and Samsung. I wouldn't say months is what we should expect, but I'm also saying such a gap is entirely within the realm of possibility. You have to remember, these phones will sell in miniscule quantities compared to their skinned brethren, and that means they aren't as high up on the value chain for software update attention. While it's certainly worth being optimistic about the update process, there's still plenty of reason to temper those expectations until we see these devices receive their first major Android release update.
he second thing we've learned is that Google will not host factory OS images for Google Play edition devices (see JBQ's post on this topic here). This will be up to Samsung and HTC, if they choose to do so. Google will also not be hosting any proprietary binaries (essentially, drivers) for these phones (again, see JBQ). Release of any binaries is, once again, up to Samsung and HTC. Taken together, all this information - as you may already have guessed long ago - means there is very little chance we'll ever see these phones supported in AOSP. It's not impossible, but it is extremely unlikely.
So there you have it: that's basically the nuts and bolts of what doesn't make the Google Play edition HTC One and Galaxy S4 Nexuses. Does this put a damper on the situation, or is it immaterial? Let us know in the comments.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
welp this sucks !
I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.
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I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.
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Since we will probably be on 4.2.2 for a while you're going to be waiting.
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Possibly, but I am not losing my IR blaster and camera app for half-supported stock Android. If HTC will push out the update within a week or two after it comes out for Nexus devices, then I will definitely flash it, if not then I don't see the point of it. I would rather do S-OFF + Super Cid and still enjoy all these things than losing too many good things for basically just stock Android.
Nexus Experience Device not Nexus Device
That's really unfortunate.
Pretty ridiculous actually.
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Did you really expect more? Google never said they would be Nexus devices or supported by AOSP. They are Nexus "Experience" devices... hence they offer the same feel without being the same.
Sorry to burst your bubble.... that said I think there will be dedication on the part of HTC and Samsung to get updates.. there isn't any excuse and you know if the device is on Google Play then el'Goog will be pressuring them to not delay
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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donharden2002 said:
It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Zero timeline given. It will get it. The second it's released? No. A month after? Maybe.
Yep, OP...sure this is stock AOSP, but if anyone thinks the S4 and One will be updated the instant the Nexus line is, they are smoking some serious ****.
Samsung and HTC still have a role in this, ala Verizon (CDMA) Galaxy Nexus. It will slow things down. It's on HTC and Samsung to instantly update their proprietary apps to play well with AOSP. We've all seen that movie before, now have we?
Sigh. Can of worms. I called it. Once you integrate manufacturer specific features into AOSP (Beats, Zoe, etc) it WILL slow down the instant (expected) release of AOSP to "OMG PURE GOOGLE) phones. Psst: they aren't Nexi.
Just deal with it. I cringe for the blasting posts from those who got the One/S4 AOSP editions once the newest Android OS is pushed out...to the Nexus line first.
I see it now:
"THE NEXUS 4 JUST GOT 5.0. WHERE IS MY KLP ON MY ONE/S4 GOOGLE!??? PETITION STARTED!!!!1111"
And so on. Grabs popcorn.
Edit: thought I'd paste in a quote I just read that summarizes this situation quite well:
I don't see the point of these devices anymore. You lose out on the few customization that OEMs provided that weren't useless (fully functional Beats, camera software, improved text messaging and browser apps, etc.) for a vanilla experience that is nearly indistinguishable from the OEM version running a custom launcher. And no guarantee of fast updates.
You'd have to be a dummy to buy these phones from the Play store.
Thankfully I have an unlocked T-Mobile One. I'll just use it or flash whatever, whenever. Paid $450 for it and am very happy with my gamble.
So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version. I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."
BarryH_GEG said:
Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."
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google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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you are a thick one aren't you lol
hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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The first post says it isn't an AOSP device, Google isn't managing the proprietary drivers, they aren't posting the s/w images, and they aren't responsible for pushing out updates. So your statement is true; for Nexus devices. "Play Edition's" aren't Nexus devices.
The fact that it doesn't say the below which Google says about their devices probably means what OP posted is true.
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So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.
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You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands for resale and every day use. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
Unlock it for $7 and never look back.
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You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
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Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?
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Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?
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They don't ship until July 9 so no one knows.
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hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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Not true..
This situation has been done before. The OG Droid (Sholes) was not a Nexus but ran vanilla software. Updates came but abit later. They came from Motorola.
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So saw this on a tech news site I frequent, kind of jealous of them since I like Sense and will be sticking to ROMs based of that. But the 4.3 update will roll out for the Google Edition phones. At the very bottom of the article.
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Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play Editions will get the update soon, but no precise timeline was specified.
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The part with "no precise timeline was specified" makes me think of it like this:
Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play Editions will get the update eventually, since no precise timeline was specified.
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Try4Ce said:
The part with "no precise timeline was specified" makes me think of it like this:
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Chances are one of the AOSP rom's will have 4.3 out before HTC release their's for the GE edition.
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Chances are one of the AOSP rom's will have 4.3 out before HTC release their's for the GE edition.
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I'd be willing to put my money on CyanogenMod or AOKP having 4.3 out first. However, the whole point of the Google Editions was to get an almost Nexus experience. If HTC takes more than two or three weeks, it's a complete fail.
I'm hoping to see it within a week, but I'm definitely not counting on it.
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Chances are one of the AOSP rom's will have 4.3 out before HTC release their's for the GE edition.
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AOSP will be 100% faster than HTC / Google to update the GE for sure.
I am really curious about the 4.3 AOSP update, maybe some 4.2.2 AOSP bugs will get ironed out automatically since it has a bunch of driver updates and a new bluetooth stack (read -> BT incall issues).
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I'd be willing to put my money on CyanogenMod or AOKP having 4.3 out first. However, the whole point of the Google Editions was to get an almost Nexus experience. If HTC takes more than two or three weeks, it's a complete fail.
I'm hoping to see it within a week, but I'm definitely not counting on it.
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Totally agree anything but a very fast update from both Samsung or HTC will only further piss off customers who brought it thinking they would get more timely updates.
Nice and easy if you want the fastest updates get a nexus or a custom rom nothing else comes close imho.
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AOSP will be 100% faster than HTC / Google to update the GE for sure.
I am really curious about the 4.3 AOSP update, maybe some 4.2.2 AOSP bugs will get ironed out automatically since it has a bunch of driver updates and a new bluetooth stack (read -> BT incall issues).
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If it fixes all the little bugs from 4.2.2 with bluetooth (my car does not like my One whatsoever!) then I for one will be very happy with that.
Support the cm compiler cm10.2 (Android 4.3)
Yes, but the AOSP ROMs are going to be very buggy and I cannot stand a ROM that is not perfect.
I need my phone to be reliable. Not messed up with bugs.
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Yes, but the AOSP ROMs are going to be very buggy and I cannot stand a ROM that is not perfect.
I need my phone to be reliable. Not messed up with bugs.
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This. Even when we get 4.3 AOSP ROMs they won't be solid until HTC releases the 4.3 kernel source, correct?
yea but its clearly not receiving the nexus treatment
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This. Even when we get 4.3 AOSP ROMs they won't be solid until HTC releases the 4.3 kernel source, correct?
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Exactly. I want a stock 4.3 kernel that "just works" and I don't want to worry about problems. I don't mind waiting a few weeks for it. 4.3 isn't even a big update.
I have a Google Edition and paying $640 for a phone, you'd expect them to at least have some kind of announcement of when that will be rolled out. If it will take weeks, I can deal with that, but not knowing is not making me happy either.
I knew going into it that it wouldn't be instant, but I also didn't expect it to be a non-existent date like any other update.
I'm strictly speaking OTA btw, and not custom roms.
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I have a Google Edition and paying $640 for a phone, you'd expect them to at least have some kind of announcement of when that will be rolled out. If it will take weeks, I can deal with that, but not knowing is not making me happy either.
I knew going into it that it wouldn't be instant, but I also didn't expect it to be a non-existent date like any other update.
I'm strictly speaking OTA btw, and not custom roms.
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If even 1 "stablish" 4.3 ROM is released before the official OTA you know by then that HTC has failed.
I'm sure we'll get it soon :good: I emailed HTC and they gave a generic response (as expected). But we'll just have to hold tight.
Dear Brandon,
Thank you for contacting HTC Tech support.
I am really happy to hear you belong to the HTC Family.
We know that the 4.3 software version was already released and we enthusiatclly can say that Google editions will be getting this update first than other devices.
Here at HTC we no longer announce dates in which the update will hit the devices, but we invite you to stay tuned for upcoming news. You can access www.htc.com or follow us through Facebook and Twitter.
Brandon, once again let me congratulate you for your HTC One Google edition. I wish you a wonderful day!
Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/us/contact/email/or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM ET, 7 days a week.
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
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If even 1 "stablish" 4.3 ROM is released before the official OTA you know by then that HTC has failed.
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bbedward said:
I'm sure we'll get it soon :good: I emailed HTC and they gave a generic response (as expected). But we'll just have to hold tight.
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At least they say that GE Ones will get 4.3 before Sense Ones. I assume it's less work for them given how similar the GE ROM is to the Nexus ROMs vs all the extra crap they have to update with Sense.
The question is how much HTC will prioritize the GE phones, given that it must be a small percentage of the Ones they sold (little do they know that quite a few of the "Sense" phones people bought have been converted to "GE" phones ).
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At least they say that GE Ones will get 4.3 before Sense Ones. I assume it's less work for them given how similar the GE ROM is to the Nexus ROMs vs all the extra crap they have to update with Sense.
The question is how much HTC will prioritize the GE phones, given that it must be a small percentage of the Ones they sold (little do they know that quite a few of the "Sense" phones people bought have been converted to "GE" phones ).
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If they are a serious company ... They check this site...they know
a box of kittens said:
If they are a serious company ... They check this site...they know
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Yeah, I was mostly kidding. My point is more that, while they probably know, they will act like they don't know (refuse to acknowledge or support converted phones).
Especially because they will have to make assumptions about the number of phones out there running Sense vs GE and will likely do that purely based on sales numbers (which don't take into account any converted phones).
The HTC One, will for sure be behind on updates considering the Nexus is the Google line. Nexus first then S4 then the One. Money market system.. we all know Apple and Samsung lead that pack.. HTC is behind Sammy. That's how I will see it coming.
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If even 1 "stablish" 4.3 ROM is released before the official OTA you know by then that HTC has failed.
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That's completely ridiculous. Even without having to adapt Sense or go through a kafka-esque certification process like Verizon certification, HTC still needs to perform integration testing before issuing the update. Any joe blow can hack together an untested build and put it out on the net.