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ICS update coming in next few weeks

Engadget reports that ICS is coming to nexus s in next few weeks.
What do you think, This will be a new version or same 4.0.3 for nexus s 4g and i9023?
http://engadget.com/2012/03/15/confirmed-ics-coming-to-the-nexus-s-in-the-next-few-weeks/?m=false
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My money is on 4.0.4.
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I have a feeling (hint, IMM26) that Google will make 4.0.4 for the Nexus S 4G and possibly make that the new OEM standard like 4.0.3 is.
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I cant even follow this story anymore. It's too much. It's coming, it's not, it's coming. Ugh. As much as I have followed this story i'm likely just going to stay with CM9 anyway. But I can empathize with the stock users.
In retrospect I should have used different word above. Please no sex jokes.

I hope its 4.0.4 because 4.0.3 the Barrett is so bad after that update I bought a sensation.**
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Hope it's 4.0.4 or 4.0.5.

I guess we're finally getting 4.0.4

Hope it is 4.0.5
I think it was a french carrier who mentioned mars for a ota of 4.0.5 to nexus s
http://mobilesyrup.com/201oi2/02/06/galaxy-nexus-and-nexus-s-to-receive-ota-android-4-0-5-update-by-march/

Hope its 4.1!

Hope it's 5.0 (sarcasm)

What a mess Google made with Android.
Right now, ICS is becoming Android's Vista and if Google don't step up they will lose a lot.
I would expect, at least, some sort of official statement by Google or Android team this but I realize now Google is some mute giant.
I mean, even ZTE communicates better than the big G. Get this, they would talk directly with rom development community. I thought "if ZTE does this having a Nexus must be the balls!" I was wrong...

ykphuah said:
Hope its 4.1!
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+1... after 3 months they really should come out with something decent..

You guys realize this article means nothing?!
"It's coming in a few weeks" - that's how Google always announces any updates.
The only info you get from it is: "there will be an update, ics is not officially shelved on the nexus s." No reason to get agitated, anyone can "predict" this as long as Google doesn't let out an official statement.
Define "a few weeks"... it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

ICS, and Starcraft Ghost to be released 'in a few weeks'.

mELIANTE said:
What a mess Google made with Android.
Right now, ICS is becoming Android's Vista and if Google don't step up they will lose a lot.
I would expect, at least, some sort of official statement by Google or Android team
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Probably not....a good 80% of users probably aren't aware the Google has anything to do with the software on the phone....most probably think the manufacture does it and the rest likely assume the carrier does....so everyone whose manufacture just said they are getting ics likely just discovered its existance and where completely surprised and happy...

8616v said:
Probably not....a good 80% of users probably aren't aware the Google has anything to do with the software on the phone....most probably think the manufacture does it and the rest likely assume the carrier does....so everyone whose manufacture just said they are getting ics likely just discovered its existance and where completely surprised and happy...
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That is true, but all this ignoring the more "geeky" and update friendly community doesn't do them any good.
And at least for a Nexus phone, I believe people bought them for the clean Google experience and that experience is getting to feel ignored right now.

Few weeks means in a couple of months... in google time

I hope we get to see it this year

I doubt we will be getting any update soon. And if we do it doesn't matter because I'm not upgrading until milestone 5 (or a ROM with all the same features based on the upgrade) comes out.
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Hey guys, I got some great news on the eta of the ota, what my very close sources tell me that we WILL get an ota, when Google releases it. but till then fellas you are more than welcome to grab some sammiches from our dev section and save the internets bandwidth talking about when its released.
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JellyBean

Google is releasing the SDK out to developers today for JellyBean. That is good news for the Dev Community.

I'm nervous about the new graphics and rendering system upgrades.
This may affect our portability with certain closed source drivers.
I'm having second thoughts about this phone. If I want to go through the slow upgrades again. GS2 doesn't have official ICS yet and JB is out.

jnadke said:
GS2 doesn't have official ICS yet and JB is out.
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Yes it does, it got its official release a few weeks ago

I think he means for sprint. We still don't have an official update on sprint.

I am nervous and freaking out about JB since we don't have it yet (so what if it hasn't rolled out yet).
Knowing Samsung it will be like 12 years before it ever comes out and worse than that Sprint will still be charging us $10 a month for premium data even after they roll out LTE.
I'm freaking out over this"
(kidding)

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Google is releasing the SDK out to developers today for JellyBean. That is good news for the Dev Community.
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Here is a Android 4.1 Jelly Bean SDK Image System Dump
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736529
EDIT: and 4.1is available thru SDK manager for download

If tmobile does officially release Jellybean don't expect for it to show up soon. it took 7 months!!!! for ICS to be rolled out on the GS2.

And just as soon as I get a phone with ICS, its not obsolete. Awesome... maybe JB will hit the SGS3 by next summer.

Well lets just hope that the Devs will be able to make some magic happen for our devices using the new "Project Butter" they are implementing in JB.

Idk I'm reconsidering maybe returning and waiting for the next nexus. Google will roll out with the update in mid July and the gnex will receive it via OTA. It just sucks how carriers take such a long time to make sure their bloat works. At&t and Tmobile just barely had ICS roll out on GS2 and I don't think sprint has even been upgraded officially yet.

cbond007 said:
Well lets just hope that the Devs will be able to make some magic happen for our devices using the new "Project Butter" they are implementing in JB.
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This is what i was excited about..!

Where's my Jelly Bean!?!
MadFlava said:
And just as soon as I get a phone with ICS, its not obsolete. Awesome... maybe JB will hit the SGS3 by next summer.
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Obsolete because it doesn't have JB? ha ha! I knew this was coming.
I almost started a "I'm pissed I don't have JB" thread when I read about it last night......ROFL!
(I'm not mocking you MadFlava specifically)....no disrespect intended. I just think it's funny. Seems like this happens with each release and every phone I've had.

Debating wether to port it or not :|
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Did anyone took a note of the PDK(platform development kit) for device manufacturers? It is supped to speed up os upgraded by oems. Hoping it will improve the fragmentation situation.

C_LosEvo said:
Idk I'm reconsidering maybe returning and waiting for the next nexus. Google will roll out with the update in mid July and the gnex will receive it via OTA. It just sucks how carriers take such a long time to make sure their bloat works. At&t and Tmobile just barely had ICS roll out on GS2 and I don't think sprint has even been upgraded officially yet.
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There is no new phone that Google is revealing. Jellybean will only be on the nexus s, galaxy nexus and nexus 7 tablet. I have high hopes that developers will be able to get a working CM version of jellybean on this sgs3

It's almost certain that their will be custom roms of the latest Android OS long before CDMA Nexus' get it. Not to mention the new Nexus will have underwhelming specs. I say hold on to your S3.

Looking forward to a CyanogenMod 9.1 (or would that be 10?)

Considering how new this phone is and the inevitable huge developer support once everyone gets their phones I'm not too worried about not having this for long.
Besides... I am perfectly happy with ICS. I haven't found a need or an issue that would make me irritated by not having something in JB. That's technology and software for you. There is always something right around the corner that is better.
Be happy with what you have, always seeking the newest greatest thing will drive you crazy and/or broke.
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There is no new phone that Google is revealing. Jellybean will only be on the nexus s, galaxy nexus and nexus 7 tablet. I have high hopes that developers will be able to get a working CM version of jellybean jellybean this sgs3
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Yeah i know their is no new phone. I was meant as just holding out till a new nexus rolls out maybe in Nov. Don't get me wrong the GS3 is a beast device! and i am confident our devs will port jellybean way before.

Jeffbucc said:
Considering how new this phone is and the inevitable huge developer support once everyone gets their phones I'm not too worried about not having this for long.
Besides... I am perfectly happy with ICS. I haven't found a need or an issue that would make me irritated by not having something in JB. That's technology and software for you. There is always something right around the corner that is better.
Be happy with what you have, always seeking the newest greatest thing will drive you crazy and/or broke.
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So very true
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HTC One and Vanilla Android (5.0 (Keylime Pie))?

I had sworn off non-Google phones after a couple of Samsung experiences, but the One is just so well-designed, I can't resist it. It's really the first Android phone which can compete with the iPhone in hardware design.
Now my question is, what happens when Google rolls out Android 5.0? Would vanilla Android be available quickly for the unlocked 32Gb and the 64 Developer edition? Is there any reason why it may not happen, or it may be difficult to do? Would the non-standard button layout throw a wrench in the OS upgrade possibilities?

I dont think so
If you buy the developer edition you can install plane lemon pie on it as it has the bootloader unlocked or any kind of ROM you want. On the Unlucked one you will need to wait until HTC releases the update as it also comes with thei Sense 5.0 UI.:laugh:

HTC have been saying they will be working a lot harder to get the latest updates out to their phones. And you can see as well in the One series that they have delivered to an extent.
Plus as the HTC One is their flagship device for this year, they will be putting all of their attention on it

As I would agree to this, without source code and binaries for the device I.E> sensors, bt, wifi, processor from HTC the dev edition wont just = instant updates to latest and greatest. Its just nice to see them least offering it up.

They don't even have 4.2 on the One, so I am assuming it would take them a long time to get KLP on the One.
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sidthegreatest said:
They don't even have 4.2 on the One, so I am assuming it would take them a long time to get KLP on the One.
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There's a reason why they did not got for 4.2. Here's a quick snip from Anandtechs amazing review
HTC says it went with 4.1 for both stability and time to market reasons, which I think is reasonable considering some of the 4.2.x issues people have complained about, though 4.2.2 fixes most of it. At this point it would be awesome to have 4.2, but for a smartphone the only features I miss are the notification shade settings and perhaps photosphere.
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Rage1ofakind said:
There's a reason why they did not got for 4.2. Here's a quick snip from Anandtechs amazing review
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Not to mention Lock screen widgets.
But my point is not whether they CAN out 4.2 on their device, but the fact that they did not.
Samsung has 4.2 on the S4, while the SIII also has a leaked ROM. So, I would say that KLP would come to the One in Q4 of this year at the earliest.
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doakills said:
As I would agree to this, without source code and binaries for the device I.E> sensors, bt, wifi, processor from HTC the dev edition wont just = instant updates to latest and greatest. Its just nice to see them least offering it up.
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What is HTC's history in terms of offering source code and binaries for their hardware? (I haven't had an HTC since the WM days
I pre-ordered the 32GB unlocked, but now I am wondering if I jumped the gun and I should sit tight and wait for whatever the Next Nexus phone is? The only problem is, Google does not know how to drive good hardware design, and I really doubt the next Nexus will be as well designed or built.
For what it's worth, I love 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus, although it is getting to be a bit laggy with some apps. Nevertheless, I feel it is a bit more bug-free overall than 4.1.
If it doesn't look like HTC will release enough code to allow the One to be made vanilla Android and freely updated to the latest OS, i may actually cancel.

When the devs get the bootloaders unlocked flashing things will be no problem. It may take a while but it'll happen eventually.
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Does anyone have any estimates as to when or if we will see any cm10 or paranoid round here?
Also, as ive come over from a samsung, not a 100% sure how sense development has been on sense roms as they failed to port it to anything else, have they managed to mix it with aosp or anything else?
cheers

spitfire2425 said:
When the devs get the bootloaders unlocked flashing things will be no problem. It may take a while but it'll happen eventually.
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I think the bootloader unlock is already possible using htcdev.

snowblind2142 said:
Does anyone have any estimates as to when or if we will see any cm10 or paranoid round here?
Also, as ive come over from a samsung, not a 100% sure how sense development has been on sense roms as they failed to port it to anything else, have they managed to mix it with aosp or anything else?
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Atm im running aokp on my htc one-x
I can run pa or cm too if i wanted to and this device only has the htcdev unlock available.
Also sense from other devices can be ported but its a pita so dont expect to much on that side.
However there are also roms who strip htc sense entirly making it a treu aosp experience and diff ui's can be flashed( xperia and samsung ui have been ported to hox)
Obviously this doesnt mean its gonna happen at the one but i sure hope so
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romitkin said:
I think the bootloader unlock is already possible using htcdev.
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But bootloader unlock (which AFAIK is available for the 32gb unlocked version as well) does not mean that the rest of the hardware will be opened up to developers, right?
Ugh, I was hoping for a much more optimistic scenario.... I love the efforts the developers here pour into maintaing these sets when the hardware is not exposed and the manufacturer drags its feet on updates, but after having to deal with the constant ROM tinkering and numerous resulting issues with my old Samsing sets, I am not excited about the prospect of going through it again.
Also, I am wondering if the non-standard soft buttons will affect easy porting of 5.0 to the One?

Having aosp etc on the one would be a bit pointless. I like it. The ones standout features are design sound and camera.
Youd have two out of three running aosp etc. Every other HTC device running has a scrappy camera since they went to 8mp. It remains to be seen what the ones camera would be. If it's deal though you lose a lot. Okay 4.2 etc is sweet on the nexus range but there hardware was built around it
Fairplay is try it on the one..debateable whether it'd be worth it though
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MacGuy2006 said:
What is HTC's history in terms of offering source code and binaries for their hardware? (I haven't had an HTC since the WM days
I pre-ordered the 32GB unlocked, but now I am wondering if I jumped the gun and I should sit tight and wait for whatever the Next Nexus phone is? The only problem is, Google does not know how to drive good hardware design, and I really doubt the next Nexus will be as well designed or built.
For what it's worth, I love 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus, although it is getting to be a bit laggy with some apps. Nevertheless, I feel it is a bit more bug-free overall than 4.1.
If it doesn't look like HTC will release enough code to allow the One to be made vanilla Android and freely updated to the latest OS, i may actually cancel.
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HTC sucks at updating the new source code. They wait months after Google has already released it.
EVO LTE

Enraged21 said:
HTC sucks at updating the new source code. They wait months after Google has already released it.
EVO LTE
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They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
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romitkin said:
I think the bootloader unlock is already possible using htcdev.
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I meant s-off. Sorry..
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ste1164 said:
They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
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I would hope so. But the fact that they are releasing their flagship with months old OS version is a little worrying.
I am not so broken up about 4.2, but 5 sounds like it will be a rather major update and if this thing doesn't get updated promptly, it will be a very disappointing acquisition for me.

arknailed7754 said:
Having aosp etc on the one would be a bit pointless. I like it. The ones standout features are design sound and camera.
Youd have two out of three running aosp etc. Every other HTC device running has a scrappy camera since they went to 8mp. It remains to be seen what the ones camera would be. If it's deal though you lose a lot. Okay 4.2 etc is sweet on the nexus range but there hardware was built around it
Fairplay is try it on the one..debateable whether it'd be worth it though
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Exactly. I can't believe there's already complaints about the time it will take HTC to update the phone to KLP. One of the main reasons people are flocking to this phone is the awesome job HTC did on the software features. If they slapped it together you could have the latest, but not the same experience. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

ste1164 said:
They are aware they were slow in releasing it. They are now trying their best to get it out on time. As to not invalidate the point on the developer version of the one.
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How do you know this? I would love for this to be true but, given my experience with the One X, I find it hard to believe.

Google: No Factory Image Or Proprietary Binary Hosting For Google Play Edition One

There's been a lot of speculation about just how Nexus-like the Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play edition phones will be, particularly from a technical / software update standpoint. Now, we have some relatively concrete information that sheds light on these issues.
First and foremost, Google will not directly handle software updates for Google Play edition devices. This has been reported as true, false, and generally disputed quite a lot in the lead-up to the launch. We know for a fact now (thanks to Anandtech) that while Google will supply the necessary Android builds to OEMs, the OEMs will be responsible for maintenance of kernels and all the various drivers and firmware pieces necessary for their specific device. The result is that Google gives the OEMs the Android build, and it's then up to the OEMs to make that build work on their Google Play edition device and perform the act of actually updating the phone. Google has issued an official statement that works very hard to not expressly deny that they won't be handling the updates (Droid-life):
What's this mean for you? It means that at the end of the day, the onus to update these phones will still be on Samsung and HTC. They will be able to circumvent the carrier certification runaround, and will in theory have much less work to do in maintaining these devices, but the responsibility still falls to them, not Google. This could mean any number of things. It could mean these phones will get updates within days of their Nexus counterparts. But more likely weeks, and possibly even months depending how much attention these phones are actually given by HTC and Samsung. I wouldn't say months is what we should expect, but I'm also saying such a gap is entirely within the realm of possibility. You have to remember, these phones will sell in miniscule quantities compared to their skinned brethren, and that means they aren't as high up on the value chain for software update attention. While it's certainly worth being optimistic about the update process, there's still plenty of reason to temper those expectations until we see these devices receive their first major Android release update.
he second thing we've learned is that Google will not host factory OS images for Google Play edition devices (see JBQ's post on this topic here). This will be up to Samsung and HTC, if they choose to do so. Google will also not be hosting any proprietary binaries (essentially, drivers) for these phones (again, see JBQ). Release of any binaries is, once again, up to Samsung and HTC. Taken together, all this information - as you may already have guessed long ago - means there is very little chance we'll ever see these phones supported in AOSP. It's not impossible, but it is extremely unlikely.
So there you have it: that's basically the nuts and bolts of what doesn't make the Google Play edition HTC One and Galaxy S4 Nexuses. Does this put a damper on the situation, or is it immaterial? Let us know in the comments.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
welp this sucks !

I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.

H-Streety said:
I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.
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Since we will probably be on 4.2.2 for a while you're going to be waiting.
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Possibly, but I am not losing my IR blaster and camera app for half-supported stock Android. If HTC will push out the update within a week or two after it comes out for Nexus devices, then I will definitely flash it, if not then I don't see the point of it. I would rather do S-OFF + Super Cid and still enjoy all these things than losing too many good things for basically just stock Android.

Nexus Experience Device not Nexus Device

That's really unfortunate.
Pretty ridiculous actually.
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Did you really expect more? Google never said they would be Nexus devices or supported by AOSP. They are Nexus "Experience" devices... hence they offer the same feel without being the same.
Sorry to burst your bubble.... that said I think there will be dedication on the part of HTC and Samsung to get updates.. there isn't any excuse and you know if the device is on Google Play then el'Goog will be pressuring them to not delay
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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donharden2002 said:
It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Zero timeline given. It will get it. The second it's released? No. A month after? Maybe.
Yep, OP...sure this is stock AOSP, but if anyone thinks the S4 and One will be updated the instant the Nexus line is, they are smoking some serious ****.
Samsung and HTC still have a role in this, ala Verizon (CDMA) Galaxy Nexus. It will slow things down. It's on HTC and Samsung to instantly update their proprietary apps to play well with AOSP. We've all seen that movie before, now have we?
Sigh. Can of worms. I called it. Once you integrate manufacturer specific features into AOSP (Beats, Zoe, etc) it WILL slow down the instant (expected) release of AOSP to "OMG PURE GOOGLE) phones. Psst: they aren't Nexi.
Just deal with it. I cringe for the blasting posts from those who got the One/S4 AOSP editions once the newest Android OS is pushed out...to the Nexus line first.
I see it now:
"THE NEXUS 4 JUST GOT 5.0. WHERE IS MY KLP ON MY ONE/S4 GOOGLE!??? PETITION STARTED!!!!1111"
And so on. Grabs popcorn.
Edit: thought I'd paste in a quote I just read that summarizes this situation quite well:
I don't see the point of these devices anymore. You lose out on the few customization that OEMs provided that weren't useless (fully functional Beats, camera software, improved text messaging and browser apps, etc.) for a vanilla experience that is nearly indistinguishable from the OEM version running a custom launcher. And no guarantee of fast updates.
You'd have to be a dummy to buy these phones from the Play store.
Thankfully I have an unlocked T-Mobile One. I'll just use it or flash whatever, whenever. Paid $450 for it and am very happy with my gamble.

So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.

donharden2002 said:
It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version. I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."

BarryH_GEG said:
Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."
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google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/

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you are a thick one aren't you lol

hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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The first post says it isn't an AOSP device, Google isn't managing the proprietary drivers, they aren't posting the s/w images, and they aren't responsible for pushing out updates. So your statement is true; for Nexus devices. "Play Edition's" aren't Nexus devices.
The fact that it doesn't say the below which Google says about their devices probably means what OP posted is true.

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Argenist said:
So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.
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You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands for resale and every day use. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
Unlock it for $7 and never look back.
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ericshmerick said:
You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
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Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?

Argenist said:
Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?
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They don't ship until July 9 so no one knows.
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hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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Not true..
This situation has been done before. The OG Droid (Sholes) was not a Nexus but ran vanilla software. Updates came but abit later. They came from Motorola.
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Motorola software updates

I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.

Unless someone here can tell the future....
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Someone with an inside source said that their timetable for releases is 2 months after a new version is released.
Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
The two month timetable isn't assume h that has been officially confirmed, so it may not be completely accurate.
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I've read a few articles which mentioned that although Motorola is now owned by Google, they are in fact keeping a "firewall" between the two companies. This could explain why the Moto X was released with 4.2 instead of 4.3.
Also, based on what I've seen in recent trends, carriers will be releasing Android OS updates over the air as opposed the Motorola (at least here in the States). Some approach OS updates better than others. Verizon is known to take their time releasing updates to phones because of the extensive testing they do with an upcoming update for a particular device. Take for instance the Droid DNA, a device released close to the end of last year which is only now getting the update to 4.2 from 4.1. I sincerely hope the Moto X does not see such neglect when it comes to future updates but I also wouldn't be surprised.

Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.

with the ability to flash roms coming soon this may not matter
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scorpion667 said:
Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.
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I'd like to believe that Moto offers better support than Samsung and HTC. The 4.3 update is still in the works but hard to put an eta on it as they probably still need time to make sure the moto apps and hardware is optimized to work properly. Other than improved performance and stability, I'm not missing anything by using 4.2.2 for now.

One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.

housry23 said:
One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.

NoNameAtAll said:
The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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This. If it's going to take moto two months, expect longer because it will need to be blessed by the carriers before OTA updates are pushed out.

I wonder where the T Mobile X fits in then... Will it be updated straight from Moto? If not that might be a big problem because T Mobile obviously doesn't even support the phone.

NoNameAtAll said:
The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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You're right. I actually had a big long post about how once Motorola gets the code, implements their features, at&t still has to test it and approve. Hopefully, since it's basically stock android, it won't take as long because the skinning process doesn't have to happen.
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Motorola has a very mixed record so far with their updates. The OG Droid was actually quite good at getting updates in a timely manner and only trailed the Nexus by a few weeks. After Motorola switched to Blur though for all their devices they lagged behind by a few months and even though with Jelly Bean they removed most of the Blur apps in favor of stock, that was still nearly what 9 months after 4.1's source was released before the Razr, Bionic, Droid 4 all got it. In fact for a while there they were one of the slowest at releasing their updates.
Now the Moto X is a new beast though and different from what Motorola has done now so it's hard to say. All the previous devices were part of the "old motorola" and the X is the first device of the "new motorola". The X is almost pure stock so there is very little tweaking that will need to be done. They just need to add in support for their Camera App, Active Display and Touchless Controls, do any kernel updates/bug fixes and then test/resolve any new bugs that popped up in 4.3. Motorola has said that an update is in the works and will come out soon with many improvements for the Moto X. Is this 4.3 or just a newer 4.2.2 build? We don't know.
I'd like to imagine that we will see 4.3 released sometime between now and early October on all carriers considering Samsung announced they will begin to roll out 4.3 to the SGS4, SGS3 and Note2. If Motorola is the first to release a stable, solid build of 4.3 for their new X8 devices and continues to keep up with their updates in a quick and timely manner, it would do a lot to rebuild their name. Right now we just have to wait and see if Motorola is serious about getting better about releasing timely updates or not.

clankfu said:
I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.
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I'm in contact with Punit Soni (Moto X product Manager). He's very active on Google+ and he addressed the update and OTA of 4.3 questions. He said when they officially released the device to distributors, 4.3 just got announced. So it was either delay the Moto X and piss off many pre-ordering customers, or continue with the primary plan and push through with 4.2.2.
He said the update is "Coming soon" as they always say, and he promises many fixes like Camera improvements, Picasa or Google Photos sync for Gallery, and OS 4.3 very soon.

"When will then be now? Soon!"

EDIT: wrong thread.

linuxgator said:
Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
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Each OEM gets the source at the same time. Makes no difference. The only reason it takes so long is a mixture between putting loads of framework in. And wanting to get new hardware out.
Moto, working with next to stock android, will be much much faster. No they dont get special treatment per se. But time will be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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GR36 said:
But time should be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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FIFY

If it goes the way the Tmobile nexus 4 goes than it will be updated right away. My son has the nexus4 bought directly from Tmobile store & it receives updates along with those bought directly from Google. I know its still a nexus and the moto x isn't but from what I understand the Tmobile version of the x doesn't have any carrier installed stuff on it, so hopefully it will be treated as a device like the Google editions.
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